Are K&N Filters ACTUALLY An Upgrade? Why I'm Switching Back To Paper:

[@CanadianGearhead]

What air filter are you running and why is everyone else stupid for not doing the same? FIGHT

[@be891]

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[@texasblaze1016]

OEM

[@Brucev7]

Was told 35 yrs ago, by a man who worked for a Big 3 Dealer, Wix, Hastings, Purolator best.

[@stefanpuffer]

I use Wix.

[@Beer_Dad1975]

I run a K&N filter, but I don't believe it offers any improvement over an OEM filter - I do it because throwing away an OEM filter every 30,000km seems less environmentally friendly than using the same filter for the life of the vehicle.

[@RJL1983]

Used K&N for every vehicle I've owned. Maintain it, and OIL it properly. Never had an issue.

[@dave-eu4vc]

Simply don't fucking oil it yourself. Just throw it out and buy a new one. Besides it's fine for 100k. After that sell your dam car 😂 Problem solved. 😂

[@matsudakodo]

You'll see more silicon (dirt) on an oil analysis

[@RJL1983]

@@matsudakodo not on my recent Blackstone reports, both vehicles showed a good report, these vehicles had the k&n in well over 50,000 miles so far.

[@matsudakodo]

@@RJL1983 what were your levels of silicon?

[@RJL1983]

@@matsudakodo report shows universal average is 11 and mine shows 10

[@AnthonyJ350]

Been using K&N for well over 10 years. Love them!

[@AnthonyJ350]

@@ChrisPatrick-q6k300,000KM on it

[@OneAndDone5150]

Keeps running clown.

[@AnthonyJ350]

@World_So_Cold Thanks so much for watching our content 🙂

[@m.newman7722]

I have been using K&N filters for more than 25 years, having sold 1 car with 212,000 miles on it (Lexus) and did not use any oil between 6,000 mile oil changes without a single problem with engine wear, MAF sensors, and, cleaning the K&N air filter about every 30,000 miles. I agree that if one drives in a very dusty environment, this might cause increased engine wear, but in city driving which is mostly what I do, there has never been a problems, and the cost of paper replacement filters on my cars, were many multiples of the cost of one K&N filter and it's cleaning kit, which has lasted now about 14 years (the kit). These are in my opinion, valid points to consider when using these kinds of filters. The horsepower increases very from none to well documented increases depending on the motor they are placed on.

[@gilbertogutierrez1144]

Agreed. People should avoid them in dry dusty climates

[@CheapSushi]

You took the engine apart and confirmed?

[@OneAndDone5150]

@@CheapSushiconfirmed moron.

[@MsJacksims]

😂😂😂😂

[@Markking1678]

K&N=Extra Silicone

[@grendel404]

Hit the nail in the head, I live on a dirt road, and I’m much more concerned about filtration and longevity than performance, thanks for the info and I agree with your decision.

[@jeffnelson5886]

Can we run a test where the air flow is not constant? Project Farm and the Nico Club are constant air flow tests (unless I am missing something and excluding the Restriction to Flow test). The K & N advocates seem to claim the fibers are moving as air is not at a constant speed in an engine intake. Particles hit the moving fibers in several layers and are caught by the oil. This seems to make sense as one is accelerating etc. I recall the MAP sensor sending in all different types of values. Interesting that K & N may be able to handle more dirt than paper where gaps are immediately plugged vs fibers that can move to allow air to pass through (again with varying flow). The scale decision on the graphs in the Nico Club are also odd. It's a 3% difference at constant speed between the top and lowest performer in filter efficiency. This would be barely discernible if the graph was true to scale.

[@Joeblk10]

Sound like some K&N propaganda nonsense. If it filters it filters. They do not. I switched after watching that test. No way that "pulsing" air is going to drop the ammount of particles it let's thru by ten fold which would barely get it to same level As the cheapest filter

[@Itskal3]

Been running a k&n filter for a month now in my 2004 v6 4runner and oh boy what a difference it makes for torque acceleration.

[@waszkreslem9306]

Throttle response*

[@brucebruce479]

Placebo.

[@mjay6245]

​@brucebruce479 it's not. On a 130hp vehicle you can expect 3-5HP.

[@msmmagnum]

@@brucebruce479Bruce the goose

[@frv6610]

Do you have the flat filter or the tube version?

[@tims6141]

I think this strictly depends on driving habits. If you’re never around major dust, etc. (Farm or dirt roads), K & N works perfectly fine. I have a ‘23 Equinox that was getting 29.2 mpg with oem paper filter. After 3 weeks of K & N in normal clean driving conditions I’m at 31.6 mpg . Keep it clean and oil lightly and the proof is in the pudding.

[@gabrielramos5790]

229,000 miles on my TRD Tacoma that has been on a lot of dirt roads, off road trails, and flat out mud pits lol K&N has been in it since it's first oil change ... So far so good 🤞🤞👌👌 But this post is interesting to be and has me considering which to buy for our Forester right now

[@keithm532]

I don't suppose anyone knows why and how K&N came to be??? Racing motorcycles in the dirt?? Thats right, specifically designed for dirt...

[@holmes132]

@@keithm532yes for dirt, mud, wet….they resist collapse similar to foam filters.

[@boarhog1979]

How could you possibly determine fuel mileage? You would have to have the exact same conditions and throttling. It's simply impossible to do that

[@NaNekoRx10]

​@@boarhog1979its pretty easy actually... With maths!! lol but if you choke on this cup of water..

[@Ashley_van_Schooneveld]

I'm running a KN air filter but my engine is tuned and my exhaust has been modified. I paid like $72 CAD for the KN filter but I keep a OEM filter and a can of MAF sensor cleaner in the car in the event of MAF sensor being soiled by the KN filter. Also a dirty air filter provide better filtration than a clean one but a clean filter is less restrictive than a dirty one. Lasty if your MAF gets dirty and the engine runs rough etc just clean it, there's absolutely no need to replace it in fact the MAF sensor will last entire lifespan of the engine.

[@Willis-de5hx]

My v6 Accord make 4hp on the drop in filter and I've had the filter for 5 years .. love it .

[@AnythingGoesJoJo]

If thats the case then why do Toyota even sell TRD performance oil air filters? Which is basically an K&N

[@cynthiabauer5763]

because rich people don't care about longevity they'll replace their car in 1-2 years when the next trendy thing comes out instead of keeping it for 10 years

[@Damsmh]

this guy is right on the money with the maf. replaced my air filter to the kn and turned out my car couldn't pass emission and was throwing p0172 codes. had to replace maf sensor yesterday. cleaned the air filter and will switch back to paper next week when I have time

[@Ashley_van_Schooneveld]

Cleaning the MAF sensor (with CRC Mass air flow sensor cleaner) would have stopped the problem and clearing the code would have made your car pass the test.

[@Mac206x]

I don’t understand. If you had a K&N filter for 5 years and ENJOY the throttle response/mileage, why not just buy a new K&N filter and have it last you another few years or swapping it out every 2-3 years for a brand new one to keep the throttle response/mileage?

[@LateNightDateNight]

Haha exactly my thought, it’s not that expensive

[@Joeblk10]

Watch project farms video test. I used to believe they were good too. They are horrible at filtering. Not worth the unnoticable performance gain regardless of cost or change out frequency

[@Mac206x]

@@Joeblk10 Yep I switch back to a paper one (Purolator) after reading more reviews. They aren't good at filtering vs. Paper filters

[@mxxmey9792]

did you even watch the video? he clearly explained that the minimal horsepower gains didn't outweigh the amount of dirt that the K&N lets into the engine

[@johndoe-nl8ze]

I didn't think of that before. I just re-oil them and clean them 😂

[@legion1630]

i picked up a 2022 TUNDRA k&N air filter and am getting lower MPG crazy..it just sounds slightly better when i punch on the accelerator..changing back to OEM

[@DaFacknMayor]

Have you looked into the TRD filter? How do they stand up?

[@hanynowsky]

Here is the deal. K&N tested on my BMW with a NA i6 engine. - Smoother idle - +10nm of torque in the low RPMs - Better induction sound - +5hp at the Mid/High range - Better breathing when engine is on load. - Better linear acceleration - K&N must be used as a replacement to the stock air-filter enclosed in its OE housing. - The oil change interval must be reduced to 3/4K miles max. - If you live in a very dusty area. Cleaning the filter should take place every 15.000 miles or so, the proper way. - K&N does not play well with Turbo engines unless the DME is remapped to the new air flow.

[@mmd-oh7lb]

I think you have a good comment

[@mmd-oh7lb]

I need some one for honestly answer

[@libaaxalee]

I use K&N filter for all my cars more than 7 years and I have never had any issue. I have noticed more horse power and better millage on my cars after replacing filters. I always clean my filters after 2 to 3 oil changes as I have double filters for each car, I tend to wash them and oil it and secure them with plastic to keep dust away from them so I can use next time I need them.

[@captainotto]

I also do the alternating filter thing. In my calculation, putting in the clean one then cleaning and storing the dirty one was more manageable yet still much cheaper than paper filters that just end up in the dump after a few thousand miles.

[@CheapSushi]

How do you really know though unless you're taking your engines apart at similar intervals and confirming.

[@OneAndDone5150]

@@CheapSushiexactly how do you know sushi? You talked bad about k&n filters!

[@brownka17]

K&N are great air filters. The key is to use them properly. In the United States, there is a very, very small percentage of the driving population that have relevance in stating the "harsh" air conditions would prevent them from owning a K&N because they let "too" much particulates through.

[@LaConchamaint.]

I ditched my k&n air filter on my sport bike (carb) it was letting too much air into the air box and messed with the air/fuel mixture. maybe if i jetted the carbs and adjusted mixture screws it would be ok.

[@atanashristov4148]

1:50 I don't recognize the Toyota. This ain't normal Supra right? What is it?

[@mikea5205]

MR2

[@robertsprout3701]

I have 2007 Ford E-350 Clubwagon. Using the K&N filter flow box on the parts counter the OEM filter flowed better then the K&N. My guess is that the Stock filter was a little bigger and had more pleats.

[@damondelgado4603]

It "feels the same" is a very scientific answer 🤣 🤣 🤣

[@CharlesBridgTec]

Non oiled dry version of K & N or AEM engine filters

[@KaizenDrew]

I use a aFe dry air filter with stock oem airbox. It doesnt need to be oiled and just needed to be cleaned with a air filter cleaner and some water. I keep my oem air filter while the filter dries

[@miguelvela31]

This is very true. I mean if you hold the K&N up to the light you can see the light coming through like a wet screen door. OK maybe not that bad, but still not good. I used a K&N in my Silverado for years. I never had any engine issues but when i wiped my finger on the intake tube downstream of the filter, there was real fine dust all on my finger. At that point I told myself never again. I stick to OEM filters now. It might have not caused an issue right away with my engine, but it was a Vortec 350 and are very well built. Maybe a different engine wouldn't fare very well with that dust going into the engine. Because that leads to more wear and tear on the engine no matter how you look at it.

[@thehobbyist5292]

exactly. and oiling a filter is another bad idea.theres a reason why a stock vehicle use dry filters. now if u are using vehicle for other purpose like sport then use performance parts

[@AndyGonzales-s7u]

I've been running the K and N filter in my truck and recently replaced idle intake valve and the throttle was incredibly dirty so was the air box.leading to the throttle body. I'm going back to paper.

[@viniciogomez9863]

Podrías hablar del filtro de cabina? Si vale la pena o no con K&N?

[@YTuberosity]

Apparently with static tests where you're just pulling air through the filter (in a test lab) the K&N will perform worse at filtration. However in a real-world scenario with turbulent air flow in a car accelerating, the K&N is meant to vibrate its layers thus trapping more dirt than a paper filter, all the while allowing greater air flow due to the larger 'gaps'.

[@yukonstriker1703]

Logical reply 🎉

[@Wargasm54]

I just use regular paper filters. Just swap em out more often. I use Wix. I have used K&N in the past with good results. But I never re-oiled or cleaned them. I just swapped out for new. Oiling a filter just seemed to defeat the purpose of flow. I have no problem using K&N. But I’ll just swap them as often as a regular filter. Expensive, but if 5-10 extra horsepower is important to you, then it’s worth it. My car is fast enough the way it is.

[@thehobbyist5292]

exactly oiling air filter is nonsense if u are aiming for more airflow.

[@adamjam2]

@@thehobbyist5292you do know that the k&n is oiled from the factory right?

[@ckiely27]

Your absolutely correct with your assessment of k&n good for the track bad for daily drivers longevity

[@mojavedesertsonorandesert9531]

I switched back to Denso air filters for my 1988 Toyota Truck-it works better in keeping the dirt out! Being in California with strict laws have to go with what works best.

[@owenthompson5511]

I was thinking of an AFE prodry filter. What are your thoughts on this vs stock or K&N? Would dry be better?

[@mikea5205]

That's what I wanna know. I just put an AEM dry drop in filter into my 24' Civic that I just bought with 1 mile on the odometer. We'll see if the engine explodes at 10k miles.

[@TwoPair72]

I see it this way. Paid 70.00 for one and where I live, clean it at 50k. Cleaning kit is 15.00 last time I checked. If I went paper, I’ll spend a 100 bucks or more at 10k intervals. There’s a link showing the filtration results and it’s only off by 2% margin from paper from a top brand. Another one shows a smaller margin pending on the test. I’ve never had an issue. Just make sure it’s dry before you re-oil it.

[@sardius1970]

if they are maintained properly, they do their job properly. The oil absorbs the particulates that you are so deathly afraid of. So having them is a good thing. Over oil them and yes you can have issues with your MAF sensor. They DO work but once again, you have to properly maintain them!

[@Joeblk10]

Watch project farms video test. You'll see the light

[@yukonstriker1703]

​@ericjarvis3051 LOL who drives in fields full of flour? 😂

[@HiTechOilCo]

@@yukonstriker1703 - What material would you have preferred to be used for the air filter test? The point is the size of the particles, not what they are comprised of.

[@theokomulainen7549]

Key phrase “maintained properly” if you were to go for warranty from KN…you would lose cuz you didn’t do it correctly

[@Larbr000]

Did you bother checking your intake after the filter? If you aren't seeing any build-up, it's working. I like reusing an air filter. I think it's wasteful to toss the filter every year.

[@Lincolnator721]

I hate replacing a filter every 7k miles so I ended up getting a K&N filter for the stock engine air intake box and I was so glad I did. Can't say I noticed a difference in power though.

[@geneahart5607]

You got a k&n performance filter for a 4-Runner?

[@fishermyman96]

What about k&n for my cabin ??

[@sanjeevdm]

I tried a 'high flow' oiled air filter on my motorbike and didn't notice any performance improvement. In dusty road conditions like that in India I think that 'high flow' filters won't offer adequate engine protection. I wouldn't trust any filter which filters light through. They may be good on the track, but I think that there's too much hype regarding real road use. Plus, it's a pain cleaning and oiling them. I feel safe with the OEM paper filter.

[@airsoftmechanic]

I’ve always been skeptical of the K&N filters, and other brand filters that require oil. Personally I would recommend either the AFE Pro Dry S filter, or the AEM DryFlow filter. I have the AFE intake with the dry filter in my 2006 4Runner, and my friends and family all have a mix of AFE and AEM dry filters in their vehicles. Never went back to the paper filters, and never had to worry about adding oil after washing the filters

[@310Cowboys]

I never had any issues by using K&N. But K&N also has dry flow air filters without requiring to add oil. AEM is also another good brand of reusable Performance air filter just like K&N. But AEM is also a dry flow filter. Try a dry flow and see what happens.

[@RayIT560]

I agree with you, try the dry filters. To many people over oil there filters and damage MAF sensor. Another brand I like is AFE, they also offer dry filters, I been using them for years without any trouble.

[@jimmydeslondes9531]

I have been searching high and low for the K&n select dry filters for my truck (2019 2.7 ecoboost f150) But I have only been able to find the drop in flat dry K&n filters for tacoma on amazon. I cannot find the K&N select dry drop in filters for f 150 anywhere. you have any leads?

[@thehobbyist5292]

teres a reason why stock filters are dry filters. i dont even understand why people are changing them. if u are using ur vehicles as everyday car then stick with the stock. now if u r using ur car for sport the use performance parts.

[@vanhap]

Having a dirt bike background they're obviously designed for extremely dusty conditions, we used oiled foam as the OEM method its certainly high maintenance. What if you have an oiled filter foam, K&N or whatever on the intake side then a paper filter on the other side? Im gonna test this out. Im rebuilding my Tacoma right now and desire longevity of my NA air pump.

[@vanhap]

Also right with you on the intake sound in a truck. I tried a K&N intake years ago and absolutely hated the overwhelming intake drone sound that I returned it. I went with K&N oiled filter but going to put a paper filter after it sandwiched in the box

[@Drivevdmanoz]

Hey bro i have too k&N OEM and i Noticed there is oil in my air Filter chamber why soo?

[@eloycruzado9824]

The only reason I got it because it last 100,000 miles and I clean it every 10k-15k .it's in a 4runner no dirt roads maybe once a month but usually regular roads . So should I just go back to the white filters I have 90k I'm the original owner I'm was going to buy another one next oil change but now I'm thinking twice?

[@joec2174]

Are these filters pre oiled from the factory ?

[@esotericjahanism5251]

Yes

[@L_G_Brandon]

What about the Afepower dry filter??? I don’t clean them I just replace them

[@edango09]

K&N cost about 2x the OEM filter but last all the vehicle lifespan, so is much more cheaper on the long run... I had been using K&N on my Kawa Z800 for 8 years and no problems (save about 200USD on OEM air filters)

[@pwash474]

You forgot to mention that HP can translate into better gas mileage if the driver backs off the throttle a bit. If you are city driving in a relatively dirt free environment and you drive allot of miles and gas prices are $7.00 per gallon sometimes, were I am, then saving 1 gallon for every hundred miles pays for the filter in like 500 miles. In the country I have seen what dirt roads do to an entire car. In that situation, I would put my own filter plus add the wix and just suffer the loss in gas mileage.

[@Ashley_van_Schooneveld]

Correct. Better airflow slight increase in power and the engine works less hard to produce it then add a cat back exhaust so the whole system runs more efficiently.

[@trevorharrell7559]

Came here for the info on K&N filters, dropping a comment to let you know I love the MR2!!!!

[@YouMotorcycle]

My F150's already got 300,000 km. Not worried about longevity at this point lol

[@tjioeardiyanto1518]

I’m using AEM Dryflow Panel Filter (by K&N). It flows similar to oiled K&N but filters particles better, close to standard paper filter.

[@kevinoxley5898]

You get much more filtering from a K & N filter. Aprox 2% more horsepower from your rated engines horsepower and Aprox 3% more torque. It's definitely more of a throaty sound with full acceleration. I have changed to this filter on the last 8 vehicles I have owned. There is a noticeable difference. This young man testing this could not be more wrong...On every level!!!

[@frv6610]

Maybe you use a tube filter and this guy used a flat filter, is tube filter much better than K&N flat filter?

[@7atab]

I heard what I wanted to hear, a true revision that matches the mechanic exact words: Sports air filters are in opposition with engine longevity. Thank you!

[@johnk5148]

I have been using K&N filter for 8 years and never had an issue. K&N does not ruin your MAF sensor and has been proven.

[@boostinman7132]

Micro particles of dirt aren't going to harm anything. The problem with those micro particles is that they stick to oil that gets into your intake from the blowby of the engine. So if you want the best of both worlds, get the K&N filter and an oil catch can. Especially on a GDI (gasoline direct injection) engine or a turbocharged engine. If you have nothing for the mirco particles to stick to, then they'll just flow into the engine, get burned and get pushed through the exhaust. Both will allow your engine to breathe better, and stay cleaner. Which will increase the longevitiy of the engine

[@frv6610]

do you mean a dry flow filter is better than an oiled K&N filter?

[@Chevyssboy138]

when I go off roading I put my OEM paper filter on and normally daily driving I put the K&N bc it helps for the highway with no go up hills it doesn’t decelerate as bad as the paper bc of the air flow difference

[@garthscriber6281]

You gotta grease up the sides of the k&N filter with grease.. particals can get up through the side depending on the design of your airbox

[@hasansh939]

Do the K&N filters cause any kind of oil dilution? Can anyone answer me please.

[@rdude1184]

438723 miles 98 jeep XJ 4.0 6, Had a K&N on it since 98000. Still has good compression and does not burn oil. (Only work to engine has been two valve jobs which is normal for that milage. )

[@gabriellorodriguez8563]

Come to El Salvador and notice the incredible amount or dirt in the city. Any air filter resist only 3 months

[@shawnpierce696]

What are your thoughts on the AEM dry filter?

[@eddie-g2143]

I sometimes use a Pipercross free air flow filter i've purchased, in my stock air filter box .... whenever i switch it to the stock paper filter i feel that the car gains torque instead of losing.......this makes me believe that simply running on a free air flow filter doesn't make your car perform better.....

[@allanriley4070]

Just ordered the Wix, good review from Project Farm.

[@michaelfe.7930]

So for 5 years you never had a problem with K & N? No engine damage?

[@Chris-0113]

Agreed. I haven't run K&N filters since I was in my early 20s. They just aren't as amazing as people seem to think they are. OEM on my 4Runner and Harley for years. Really dig your 4Runner. Its much nicer than mine. What year is it?

[@CanadianGearhead]

Thanks Chris, it's a 2007 👍

[@Chris-0113]

@@CanadianGearhead Thanks for the quick response! Have a good night ✌️

[@lumity365]

Hi chriss what do you think about the dry filters from kn not the oil ​@CanadianGearhead

[@Chris-0113]

@lumity365 I've had one on one of my motorcycles for a couple of years. Seems to be pretty good. And easy to clean- just take it out and hose it off and let dry. Ive never seen anything to think they don't work.

[@dandyson1540]

Does a KNM filter get worse gas mileage

[@BB-xv6hp]

I have a dump truck with a k/n been running it 7 years no problem im in dirt Calichie all day .. no dirt in engine

[@shanedottie]

How can you confirm there’s no dirt in your engine tho

[@BB-xv6hp]

@shanedostie9002 bro you will know the turbo will blow I've seen turbine break from fine sand dirt

[@shanedottie]

@@BB-xv6hp that can definitely happen yes but it doesn’t mean there’s no dirt in your engine. You’d have to open up the engine to know that

[@BB-xv6hp]

@shanedostie9002 idk I'm in a dump truck in calichie pit hauling 10 hours straight for 6 years no problems or doesn't puss out like the stock filters when they are plugged try it saves u money

[@shanedottie]

@@BB-xv6hp if it works it works, I love K and N too but hearing that it may not filter as much is definitely catching my attention

[@BrianDoherty-e8s]

Chicken wire as a filter makes a big difference in performance. But it lets in stuff 1 inch and less into your engine. And, never alter your intake system. The OEM system was set up by automotive engineers who practice the black art of fluid dynamics. Backyard Jethro mods are ignorant, especially while drinking Mountain Dew!

[@NoName-oj5km]

Also decided to not put a K&N filter in, since reliability is a huge point for me.

[@cameronwingate7477]

He’s probably upset because he didn’t realize he could clean the air filter with a special cleaners at least twice rinse the bees out of the scalding hot water. Smack it on a towel a couple times. Dry it with the hairdryer re-oil it and put it back in and get maximum airflow once again, but I guess he prefers to pay $25 for a paper filter every six months or more. I love only having tolook at my air filter once or twice a year.

[@OneAndDone5150]

Yes it is too easy to do.

[@chrislebeast]

Right! Why buy disposable filters every so often, coming from the WRX platform, even in my old Honda accord I ran a reusable filter, save yourself some money

[@Peculiarsafe83]

There’s a lot of people who don’t know this, but the K&N filters are designed to make use of the oil on them. The oil prevents particles from going in. The dirtier the top side of the filter gets, the better it filters out smaller particles. Also, K&N is superior to the OEM filter in every way. It may not give you 5+HP like you want it to, but it actually does benefit the engine. An engine is basically a big vacuum that sucks in air. The less resistance and the less restrictive parts put on it, the better it performs. The K&N will help the engine feel slightly less choked and will benefit from the extra airflow through the K&N filter, which is the given benefit of throttle response.

[@Joeblk10]

Watch project farms video test. I used to believe they were good too. They are horrible at filtering. Not worth the unnoticable performance gain. I switched next day. Need my engine to last not get a couple extra horses I won't even notice

[@oleboy4332]

Been runnin stock air filters for over 40 years and no problem.

[@charliebeck5093]

You have to get the vehicle tuned to adjust for the different airflow and correct the amount of fuel that is injected

[@ozscorpio7]

Manufacturers already invested a lot of time and money designing the most efficient and safe intakes, they do take into account sound restrictions and cost so what you can do is always use aluminum straight pipes where possible and removel all the resonators, you can even find a paper cone filter such as the one found in the honda S2000.

[@philipeli1192]

Used KN in my bikes but never my cars since my old pt would act up after oiling. I use purolator oil and wix air filters on my 2 Toyota hybrids.Amsoil and 20 micron filters are the way to go 5k oil changes.

[@Vultite]

This heavily depends on the environment you drive in as well. If your car/truck is getting dirty quickly or fine dust is prevalent just stick with the throw aways

[@achatachat5817]

Have a check about what David Vizard think about k&n filters eventualy.

[@mnrodriguez]

I've using those K&N filters for many years. Never had a problem! It took him 5 years...go figure! K&N are good filters if you know how to maintain them.

[@Joeblk10]

Watch project farms video test. I used to believe they were good too. They are horrible at filtering. Not worth the unnoticqble performance gain.

[@mnrodriguez]

@@Joeblk10, using K&N filters for more than 20 years. Never an engine problem. Nothing!!! I clean it every 2 years.

[@HiTechOilCo]

The only issue is a reduction in long term engine life and efficiency. You wont notice small, incremental differences over the life of a vehicle that has the engine wearing out faster, until it's too late and the damage is already done. It's like cancer, you can't see it, but by the time you feel the consequences of it, by then it's too late and you're dead.

[@KamikazeKensai]

What's the red car?

[@horaciolm]

Looks like Toyota MR2 oldschool goodie sportscar... Cheers!

[@S1KRR_Rider88]

Don’t have the stock air box with mine, and it’s a cold air k and n So what would I do lol other then just replace with a new k and n filter or clean and oil it

[@CanadianGearhead]

I think the main thing is to make sure you don't over oil it to keep your MAF sensor healthy

[@vwempire8459]

Bravo. I ja sam koristio taj filter i samo sam bacio novac. Nista bolje nema od pravog filtera koji gabrika nalaže da se stavi.

[@uptownsamcv]

I had 2 MAF sensors go out due to over oiling, I stopped using K&N oil filters.

[@solovolante630]

Sounds like a user error and not a K&N problem

[@uptownsamcv]

@@solovolante630 was definitely my error. I stick to a dry performance filter now just in case

[@Lincolnator721]

over oiled my K&N filter and it was fine. like over oiled so much that there was oil pouring off the filter lol. i dabbed it some with a paper towel. probably depends on the car

[@bobg3221]

Pro tip never oil from the clean side always oil it from the dirty side same thing as cleaning it do not clean it from the dirty side clean from the clean side if you clean from dirty side, you’re pushing particles and dirt and bugs back into the clean sideall those particles would get tossed into your engine. If you from the side that oil can contaminate your airflow sensor oil from the side spray enough on there and let it wick for like an hour and a half to two hours not that difficult. Good luck.

[@uptownsamcv]

@@bobg3221 I've been running Rtunes drop in filter for a while now. they're only $25 so I just get a new one after a year.

[@bortsmithson]

I run a paper filter, and do a lot of driving in very dusty conditions. The last filter lasted 5-6 oil changes before I bothered changing it, and it still would have been fine for at least another. So basically its 20ish bucks once every few years or 80+ and then the charge kit, and you also still wanna have a backup filter because it takes 24 hours to dry a K & N before you oil it. Sometimes you can get clearance plain box filters on Rockauto for less than 5 bucks each. It is a no brainer to me.

[@CanadianGearhead]

Good point about down time while cleaning it!

[@granthaller9544]

I just cleaned my K&N. It dried in about an hour. I think I paid about $40. I have had the car for 15 years and cleaned the filter about 4 times. I just bought my second cleaning kit for $22 since I use K&N on both of my vehicles. I believe I am saving money. It’s hard for me to believe that the oiled cotton is not filtering well, but I guess I have to believe testing. My vehicles have not had any serious issues. Both are 2005s.

[@alexanderhorvat7085]

I wonder if they tested the filter with their filter wrap. I've got a full intake system from them with the filter wrap. Since the filter wrap obviously restricts a bit of flow but in return better protects from water and dust when offroading.

[@CanadianGearhead]

I'd love to know how that compares to a paper filter in terms of airflow and filtration!

[@davidcampbell1899]

I have a 2013 Camry. I use a FRAM air filter, just because its sold at Cdn Tire and its the easiest thing to buy. I live in a city and don't drive on dusty and dirty roads, so the filter only get replaced every 2 years. I considered buying a K&N but didn't see any benefit over what is now 10 years. I have paid roughly $75.00 for FRAM air filters or I could have paid roughly $75.00 for a K&N in 2013 + the extra cost of the cleaning solution. I agree the WIX is a better filter, then the FRAM. In the long run, living in Ottawa, I have never lost an engine or a car from a cheep air filter, but RUST is a different story! (I wish we could filter the salt)

[@be891]

Soooo did Toyota make the wrong choice of air filters with Tundra TRD PRO. Those come with oiled filters from the factory. I recommend checking out David Vizard video talking about K&N air filters and the issue with the Project Farm test. Just my .02

[@CanadianGearhead]

Did Toyota make the wrong choice when they designed the exhaust manifolds on the 4.7? Or the air injection system on 4runners and Tundras? Or the coating on the Tacoma frames? Toyota doesn't get everything 100% right. I checked out David's video - still waiting to see actual proof of his theory but it does make sense I suppose

[@JohnBoulding]

TRD means they want to go full on "performance" in stead of engine longevity. You can find enough ISO testing on how much better a paper filters cleans the air vs performance filters to melt your computer/smartphones CPU..they flow more and...and more dirt..it's the basic premise of the filter and you can't escape that fact .

[@be891]

@@JohnBoulding Full on performance??? Not exactly, the only thing the TRD team did with the Tundra is free up the exhaust and intake a bit adding maybe 10HP at best, and improved the off road capability. This would have zero effect on engine longevity. Engine longevity is more dependent on how hard someone drives there vehicle (excessive high rpm). You cannot compare the filtering ability of a fan that provides constant airflow, with an engine that pulses airflow. I really recommend you watch the David Vizard video I mentioned to get a better understanding. He is not only a world class engine builder but also an engineer. As I stated previously, no Baja engine would survive a 1000 mile race if the filtering was as bad as you claim.

[@JohnBoulding]

@@be891 oh I've seen his video. I always refer to ISO testing. I have friend in NASCAR and they also tell me not to run these types of performance filters in DD cara. Many of them run KnN in racing application and when they tear down the engines it's apparent what's getting ingested. Facts are facts and to get higher flow, you must compromise something that's causing the 'restrictions' and that something is resistance to flow; aka filtering. For DD cars the OEM filter is best for long-term engine health.

[@be891]

@@JohnBoulding Google how many engines that have gone over 200k miles using K&N then Google how many used K&N and did not because K&N did not filter appropriately. I prefer to use real world tests that we can see everyday, the millions of people that daily drive them with zero issues. Again we should have 100's of thousands of vehicles down on compression, lack of power and motors seized because of K&N. But that is not the case, and never will be because they provide efficient filtration for your motor. K&N is basically a household name for a reason and not just for the racing application, but the everyday driver that wants better fuel economy and power. K&N would have been out of business 50yrs ago if it was bad at filtering. And I think your friend at NASCAR would have a hard time stating his position with the folks at Baja.

[@christopherdimotsis1024]

If I saw correctly the wix filter isn’t really a paper filter…. It’s a woven cellulose fiber…. Many OEMs have gone to that as a factory design and your not gonna get much better than that without your sacrifice of filtration efficiency…… but if your going from a actual older design paper filter to a upgraded cellulose type filter your getting better flow and still good filtration….. if you want a closer look yourself look at cheaper wix/Fram filters that are the paper type then if you look at your wix it’s a tightly woven fiber….. I’d say going to a upgraded fiber filter is worth it for performance and fuel efficiency while not sacrificing filtration if you have a paper filter….. would you agree?

[@raymondferguson3781]

I'm no physicist, but you and the ISO testing confirmed my snake-oil suspicions. As far as I can tell, you can't make a passive filter less restrictive without increasing surface area of the filter material or making it more porous. Same goes for passive oil filters which is why the good ones are physically longer than the cheap ones, but there the big gain is no so much in initial reduction of restriction and more about longevity.

[@dadgarage7966]

A driver playing with their phone is more likely to write off your vehicle before a K&N air filter damages your engine.

[@edag9609]

I just cleaned my K&N for the first time. I liked it when I first bought it. It gave the car a bit raspier sound, but after cleaning it today Im considering going back to an OE Denso or Wix. Damn K&Ns take foreever to dry and the cleaning kit is more expensive than a new Denso or Wix for my car.

[@pickjerry]

How long did you use the filter before cleaning it?

[@edag9609]

​@@pickjerry15,000 miles. K&N says you can go a lot further but I live in a really dusty place where high winds can pickup and blow a lot of dirt everywhere. My filter was very dirty.

[@kainestefaniak2751]

I choose the apexi cotton high flow filter. Maybe not reusable but definitely filters way better and flows equally as good

[@thomaschung5623]

KN all day

[@CanadianGearhead]

Fair enough!

[@dannymitchell6131]

Check out the filter used for the Baja 500. You can't test K&N with static airflow, you need the pulse and vibration.

[@TRXMOE]

And an engine rebuild after the race

[@earlgarcia9824]

Have never used K&N or similar filters in modern vehicles, only on carburetor equipped cars & motorcycles in fact I've switched to the dual stage style foam filters which are very popular on dirt bikes for good reason they trap dust very well ,like the guy said those free flow performance filters let your engine breathe but happen when your on the road and there's dryed out dirt from a rain storm or busted bags of cement fell off a truck and other vehicles are kicking up clouds off dust ???😮

[@LChow-xq3xm]

I did too switched from k&n to paper filter. I noticed my maf sensor was getting so dirty that I end up with an engine code. So I cleaned my maf sensor cleared the code and got rid of the k&n. I also noticed more grime around the throttle body.

[@CanadianGearhead]

Yup that doesn't surprise me

[@cynthiabauer5763]

if you're super rich and don't care about making an engine last a long time for the next poor owner then sure use K&N... but if you care about your car and want the engine to last a long time paper is the way to go. Having said that, you wouldn't just change the air filter to increase performance, but use it within a stage 2/stage 3 package adding up all the small and not so small gains together.

[@STREETFIGHTER50]

For our street driven muscle car classics that hardly get driven and only in nice weather I’d say no problem at all with the K&N filters. I never drive them around any dirt or gravel roads.

[@JohnWayne-cb1tv]

If you are driving a 45 hp motorcycle and a high flow filter bumps you up to 50 hp, you may feel a difference. If you are driving a 245 hp car and a high flow air filter bumps you up to 250 hp, you probably will not notice.

[@riekopo7638]

What sunglasses are those?

[@CanadianGearhead]

Oakley Holbrooks!

[@rightlanebandit9844]

High flow filter will only gain power near the redline will actually reduce your low rpm power