Canadians don’t want to pay carbon taxes no more

There’s a phenomenon regarding climate change policy that is showing up around the world. People really like the idea of fighting climate change and reducing emissions. But that magically screeches to a halt when those same people are asked to pay for it.
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[@bestvideogameplayerintheworld]

We pay ridiculous carbon taxes just for them to turn around and reinvest the money into the worlds largest carbon producer.

[@aksshaysharma96]

You have been the largest producer historically, so you should pay tax

[@uybshadow6272]

@@aksshaysharma96you are an idiot if you think Canada is anywhere near the top carbon producers

[@ssnaut1871]

​@@aksshaysharma96that's USA not Canada

[@aksshaysharma96]

@@ssnaut1871 canada itps considerd as the 51st state of US. Even if we put this notion aside the amount of emissions canada has done by burning wood during winters and now gas, outperform what top polluters have been doimg now. Yet these top polluter are now champions of fight against climate change and the anglo nations have yet to do anything productive other than charging carbon tax

[@scottfraser706]

Witch is china lol

[@PatelandKhan]

Canadian government only has 1 solution to any problem. Increase tax

[@franck789789]

This bozo seem to agrees .

[@subbinbacktoallsubbs5272]

They could also print more money😂

[@alantaylor3910]

Oh no they also think giving themselves more power is a solution to any problem and they should be the sole arbitrators of what is true and therefore suppress any "false narratives" no matter how closely they match the facts

[@deepbrit]

Go woke, go broke

[@Mike-lx9qn]

They made air tax a real thing, doesn't just exist in fiction anymore, ... the Left is Satan incarnate. Acting like saints when they actually introduce the dystopian concept.

[@dotdenier]

We're tired of being fined for heating our homes while the prime minister takes a private jet between a distance smaller than 50 km (kelowna to penticton)

[@aaronvallejo8220]

I focus on installing high insulation so I can structurally reduce the amount of energy we need for warm comfort and safety. Then we have switched to electric heating. Then maybe next we can switch to air sourced heat pump for heating (and cooling) using 1/4 or 1/2 electrical needs. Then maybe the year after we can start installing solar PV panels on a new roof.

[@donwooddr]

From Sunny Ways my Friends to Authoritarian Days my Friends.

[@janetmohn5376]

​@aaronvallejo8220 heat pumps don't work when the temp drops to -20, welcome to every day in middle to northern Canada between mid December and March. We would still be using our natural gas furnaces most of the heating season after investing $15,000+.

[@danieldeanharrison]

@@janetmohn5376yeah plus some of us Canadians experience rolling blackouts in the dead of winter. Thank god for natural gas for saving my arse.

[@hexxlaxx2992]

​@@aaronvallejo8220i focus on adding better insulation myself as well. But will keep heating with propane as electric heating is out of price here in Ontario. As for solar the incentive isn't worth the cost. LNG should be exported massively to help save the planet from those hundreds of coal burning plants opening in China. That would make a hell of a difference in the bucket of emission to help climate change.

[@29memyselfandi]

Isn’t it amazing how every problem is fixed by raising taxes on the poor.

[@aaronvallejo8220]

The inflation caused by the Russian invasion of Ukraine hit everyone all over the world. We live in a global market. Federal carbon taxes are redistributed by cheque to low income Canadian earners. Everyone needs to slowly work towards high insulation.

[@29memyselfandi]

@@aaronvallejo8220 yeah and I’ve got an ashtray for a motorbike to sell you.

[@aaronvallejo8220]

@@29memyselfandi I remember grabbing my shovel and heading for the back yard to dig gardens along the fences for growing potatoes after hearing of the Russian invasion. I knew everything was about to increase in value. 140 lbs in the basement.

[@29memyselfandi]

@@aaronvallejo8220 So Putin got you to plant potatoes? He’s not all bad then. Has Trudeau welcomed any nazi’s to parliament lately? Oh and I see he’s already postponed a lot of his carbon tax plans. What a guy.

[@gormenfreeman499]

Why do poor people need cars to get to work, they should fix that instead instead of taxing people for owning a car they have no choice to afford.

[@C2Cats]

We've paid all this new extra tax, yet nothing has changed, except I'm poorer, what a surprise.

[@danmulg6654]

Yup vote trudeu and biden out

[@SaltyShaman]

as intended.

[@gravegaming2023]

Population up, emissions down

[@juggie19]

You're poorer and someone else is richer

[@gravegaming2023]

@@matcaterina from when?

[@handyman1001]

Carbon taxes will never help deal with "Climate Change" period. End of story.

[@aaronlockley9207]

Agreed!

[@StingyJ]

Nothing WE do will do any good. In fact, anything we DO will have adverse effects. Of course, modern "Neo-Scientists" will claim otherwise.

[@scottjenereaux7836]

Yaa not WHEN CHINA ADDS 31% OF THE GREENHOUSE GAS CANADA IS AT 1.5 WTF DESTRUCTIVE LIBERAL COMMUNIST PRICKS

[@v4v819]

Yes it will! Think about it! If we can't afford to pollute then we will have no choice but to stop poluting or else go bankrupt which will also stop us from poluting! It's a perfect binder that ensures the right solution we all want which is to end carbon omissions and save the planet! :)

[@EA_Kar]

If it did they would have to give up the tax. So yeah, no

[@m-705]

Carbon tax in bc didn't reduce emissions. Doing it nationwide has done nothing. It is a tax plan not an emission reduction plan.

[@talleywa5772]

Then it's doubly pointless

[@Cavadoro333]

​@@talleywa5772why? If they were other mesures to actually fight climatique change with the carbon tax, it wouldn't be that useless

[@aaronvallejo8220]

@@Cavadoro333 Medicine Hat now receives half of its tax revenue from new wind farms. Escalate private investments...not do block them.

[@v4v819]

It does but in other ways! As long as we are trying to make the world a better place that's how it happens! :)

[@m-705]

@v4v819 wow, that's insanely nieve. The carbon tax is meant to drive the costs up. It disproportionately affects the poor. And drives the rest of us closer to poverty. A bad plan is worse than no plan.

[@eelkeplantinga7158]

If China and India are not reducing emissions? Why do we?

[@theshubhamaditya]

Europe and North America released uncountable amount of green house gases to become industrialized without caring about atmosphere causing the hole in ozone layer and increasing the amount of green house gases in atmosphere, the issue of global warming is older than the beginning of industrialization of China and india, Both india and china are working on reducing their carbon emissions by transferring the resources which could have reduced the poverty to increase costly renewable energy in their country , this is clear hypocrisy from West that they are now blaming India and china for global warming while they themselves are the cause of Global warming.

[@MstrBates-tz1hi]

Herr Groper

[@eelkeplantinga7158]

@A_rxC-2_rC-2. I keep Africa aside as many Asian Countries but India and China, especially the last one is building new coal plants while we shut them down.

[@kevg1617]

​@@A_rxC-2_rC-2.Whose argument? Regardless, it's a bad argument, since developing nations, especially those in Africa have had restrictions on their use of fossil fuels to fuel their energy needs, let alone allow for the kind of growth they should be seeing, for decades. Emissions goals are based on the country's consumption at the time and target reductions across the board, not reductions in wealthier countries in order to "allow space" for the needs of emerging economies. In other words, countries going in with an energy deficit will come out with a greater energy deficit.

[@talleywa5772]

​@@A_rxC-2_rC-2.IT'S A TRASH ARGUMENT GET THE BOOT OUT OF YOUR GULLET

[@zhubotang927]

But private jets still fly all over the place but your small car for grocery is a cardinal sin.

[@MohammadIshfaqueJahanRafee]

That’s a stupid comment. Do you know whether jet fuel is exempt from carbon tax? If not your comment is moot and ignorant.

[@theguy3501]

This is exactly it. The most prominent form of emissions right now is rich people. Cut the rich you reduce the carbon emission by 100 fold. But they don't want that they would rather be in their million dollar beach side homes and tell us to be wary of climate change and tsunamis than actually move to a reasonably sized house with a reasonable price...Elon Musk bought a house that was 20 thousand dollars. Somehow. But it was right next to his space X factory and he also works all day every day you honestly think he didn't do anything to get to where he is now? Of course his family is probably rich as fuck but frankly his achievements speak for themselves.

[@JamesR1986]

Carbon taxes punish them more then taking your small car for grocery shopping

[@kyleedwards8064]

​@@JamesR1986no it doesnt

[@kchristian133]

@@JamesR1986Tarded with a hard r. The crooks we have as politicians have their travel expenses paid by the Canadian people.

[@mcampbe41]

The people who support higher gasoline prices are those who do not own a car.

[@whodarboilebamnames3990]

75% of Liberal's seats come from major Urban areas. So yes, this is just the views of people that don't even leave urban areas. Completely disconnected from reality and the life Canadians live outside of their artificial bubble.

[@canadian_investor7979]

Carbon Tax does not reduce emissions, just starves people. How about not sending money overseas and instead use that money to develop renewables?

[@starwarsdocumented]

What if we manufactured more things here becoming more sustainable within the Canadian borders. We have so much land and so many resources. Would it not be possible to use more nuclear technology? Eventually we could outfit. These stations with fusion technology. Unfortunately, these ideas are not as profitable to extremely powerful companies. Those are the people who you need to tax, not the middle class.

[@gimenovax1]

These people who are stealing our money should be in jail,.

[@RKM514]

Jail costs money, Capital Punishment is better.😊

[@evancook1770]

​@@RKM514That also costs money

[@luapnameerf137]

Mandate Truturd to get MAiDed lol

[@spoohater6949]

So all of the government

[@Timothy_toenail_jr]

Something about 6 feet and a hole comes to mind. 🤔

[@shitalkingoon]

All it’s doing is creating a more expensive need for fossil fuel. This is so counterintuitive

[@hobbso8508]

It may be counterintuitive to you, but disinsentivising the usage of fossil fuels us the entire point.

[@shitalkingoon]

@@hobbso8508 who are they actually disincentivizing though? Corpos and large production will still continue to use fossil fuels till the bitter end or till we find a more effective means. I could not afford an electric car nor afford to live in the city that I work. Therefore I need petrol to get into Vancouver. It’s a forced tax and I will be happy once it’s abolished.

[@hobbso8508]

@@shitalkingoon Driving, duh. By encouraging the use of public transit or even encouraging people to drive slower to save fuel, or just to drive less in general.

[@shitalkingoon]

@@hobbso8508 did you not read my comment? And it was a rhetorical question meaning it’s geared towards the “middle class”

[@shitalkingoon]

@@hobbso8508 do you know where the majority of pollution comes from? Even if every single person in Canada stopped driving (which was lobbied by big oil in the west) it wouldn’t necessarily put a dent in reversing said climate change lol

[@Imsobering7970]

According to those in government, the billions we've paid in carbon taxes should have stopped this summers forest fires, but, it didn't. Go figure.

[@janetmohn5376]

It's because nature uses fire as a renewal process. The fire cleans the forest floor of decaying trees and leaves, allowing oxygen into the root systems and many pods and seeds are only opened during the heat of fire, allowing for fresh growth. Without it, forests don't thrive. We are reducing our forested area, designing ways to prevent or reduce fire and in many ways, our use of forested area increases the risk of fires....camp fires, ATVs and smoking. Unfortunately, it is believed the larger than average number of fires may have been due to intentionally set ones. Two or three starts in the same area, but several kms apart, all starting at the same time? Natural nope, but makes for good "climate scare" headlines.

[@TheChuckfuc]

When the hell did canadians say that climate change was our #1 priority. No, my priorities are not going broke or homeless and do my best to raise my kids in this messed up world.

[@hollylilylarry8663]

Im pretty sure these are Trudeau's priorities, not the average hard working Canadian 😢

[@motherurck7542]

I'm guessing they asked people who live in Toronto and Vancouver only.

[@Marmalard]

It’s the number one priority for people who don’t have to worry about the other ones.

[@aaronvallejo8220]

In my opinion, the best way to insecure financial, energy and climate security and success is to slowly invest in high insulation in each home. It lowers your energy needs and costs better protecting your family while reducing your carbon emissions. Win, win, win.

[@the_ikiru]

They're called "elections".

[@JordanTheMann]

Turns out people everywhere don't want another government excuse to raise taxes when we're already struggling to eat and pay rent.

[@54m0h7]

It might be different if we actually saw something happening with the tax money.

[@hobbso8508]

It gets paid back to families.

[@jerrysanderson772]

​@@hobbso8508Trudeau's own PBO has said the majority of Canadians are still worse off even after receiving the carbon tax rebate.

[@hobbso8508]

@@jerrysanderson772 "Most Canadian households to get more in rebates than paid in carbon tax: PBO" Try again.

[@jerrysanderson772]

@@hobbso8508 OK. The following is a quote from the PBO. " Most households will see a net loss , paying more in fuel charges and GST, as well as receiving lower incomes, compared to the Climate Action Incentive payments they receive and lower personal income taxes they pay." The carbon tax will cost the average family between $347 and $ 710 this year , even after the rebates are factored in, according to the PBO. Also, Trudeau's second carbon tax through fuel regulations doesn't come with rebates. Now you try again.

[@hobbso8508]

@@jerrysanderson772 The report confirms that: 1. The taxation is progressive, benefiting those at the bottom more. 2. There is an equal amount of collected and paid tax. I don't really care if people earning more get some income redistributed to those with less. That's a win. So keep trying kiddo

[@thomasauger6777]

Those 20% probably think gas prices are a global issue

[@ligidobastian9245]

Canada can do itself a big favor by voting Trudeau out of office.

[@starwarsdocumented]

What country are you from my friend? Are you from Canada? Or elsewhere, this is all I need to know to construct my argument.

[@ligidobastian9245]

@@starwarsdocumentedI am from Canada. Immigrated here from Venezuela in 2002

[@janetmohn5376]

​@@ligidobastian9245 And you just said everything you needed to cut him in his tracks. Let's hope Trudeau doesn't turn us into the next Venezuela. I have my doubts and my fears with what will be left once the dust settles, and little hope that I will see things back to what they should be in my life time.

[@janetmohn5376]

​​@@starwarsdocumented You walked straight into that one, lol. If there is any country that has the underlying knowledge of what we are going through, it's Venezuela. Sorry for him to have to live through the trauma twice in one lifetime.

[@starwarsdocumented]

@@ligidobastian9245 my apologies for my late response. I completely forgot about this message. Venezuela has had a long and complicated history of politics. And to your point many political scientists say that the position of Prime Minister is near dictatorial. I think in our time of political divide in the west we might need to seek out other options for leaders. I suggest completely abolishing the position of Prime Minister and replacing it with a council. Then we could remove the Senate or diminishing it significantly. However, doing this would come at great cost. Just an idea I’ve been thinking… I am interested to know your opinion?

[@hollylilylarry8663]

We as citizens and tax payers are entitled to see reports to see where our tax dollars are going, what they're being used for and what the results are!!

[@pushkardey]

You don't have a parliamentary budget session in Canada?

[@hobbso8508]

Then Google it. Just look up the Climate Action Incentive payment amounts for 2022-23. Drivers get taxed, and the taxes cycle right back to payments directly to everyone in those areas. People who drive less get end up net positive, while people who drive more are worse off. The entire point is to disinsentivise driving.

[@evancook1770]

The budget is always published annually

[@Pulse87dotca]

@@evancook1770That only gives us a vague idea of where it's going, shows very little about what it gets used for and absolutely nothing of what the results are.

[@evancook1770]

@Pulse87dotca The results are going to be hard, but can be pieced together if you do research into each area of funding. It would frankly be a waste of government resources to do an exhausting impact survey every single year.

[@dustyhedger380]

When a handful of I'll informed misdirected and indoctrinated people assume they speak on behalf of everyone while the rest sit and watch a train wreck it's NO SURPRISE where we now are . SO , , , remember Canada you let this happen . Inquiries as to where all the money went and legal action will only ensure this can not happen again . Vote them out .

[@aaronvallejo8220]

How can transitioning our regions and provinces to renewables be negative? Cheaper, more secure, more comfortable, more tax revenue, cleaner...

[@dustyhedger380]

@@aaronvallejo8220 Good day, I've no quams with legitimate well researched scientific alternatives. But forcing unproven, unreliable and unrealistic options hardly seems an option. Case In point would be Europe's folly now scrambling to keep their infrastructure barely functioning. Take care.

[@aaronvallejo8220]

@@dustyhedger380 Which is why Europe is fast tracking the installation of more renewables faster...as well as imported LNG. A more immediate example is this old mobile home trailer in eastern Alberta we are renting while doing a big, local project. The place was gross, junk all over the yard, hail smashed thin plastic skirting, aluminum framed single paned sliding windows. You get the idea. The neighbours said the place was freezing at the first hint of winter. So in May I started. I dug potatoes in the side garden and started digging around the perimeter of the mobile home. After disassembling the non-insulating skirting I installed a free lumber frame on free bits of concrete and brick with a few 3" screws. I then installed some bubble foil insulation, then 2 layers of free OBS boards. I spray foamed all the cracks and junctions and then stabled roofing paper right down to the ground. Then I installed free used roofing steel and backfilled the 4" trench sealing the -40 winter winds out. Inside I removed all the old cheap trim to spray foam all the deep cracks and junctions. I made new 1x4 trim with my skill saw and sanding disk and made it all air tight by stapling foam sill gasket under all the new trim sandwiched with 3" screws. After sanding, I installed thin film plastic over all 7 windows, except by the stove, and effect was instant, amazing and profound. I think I spent $600 on materials...all else was free through speaking to rural citizens. It was -21C last week and we have not needed to turn on the fossil gas heater. We heat the unit with 2 electric heaters and we live beside a new wind farm. I slowly worked on it after work most days and the end result is more comfort, more energy secure, less cost, cleaner through high insulation renovation.

[@dustyhedger380]

@@aaronvallejo8220 in all honesty for the hundreds of billions that were wasted on limited shelf life products with no reasonable return I'm gonna have to go with an old poker term , doubling down on a bad hand don't change your hand.

[@aaronvallejo8220]

@@dustyhedger380 So I think I belief your meaning to be...that wind/solar are short living products and equipment that does NOT pay for themselves financially nor for their embodied energy during smelting (coa), manufacturing (natural gas) transporting (oil). Renewables are net loss on energy and money....correct? Can you then explain why billions in private capital was flowing into large scale renewables in southern and southeastern Alberta? The evident, I think, points towards a winning hand of cards.

[@Meeksballs]

Carbon tax is actually worse for the environment!

[@billcox8870]

Agreed. Plants need carbon in order to grow. Carbon dioxide makes up a total of 0.04% of our atmosphere. If it dropped down to 0.02% or lower, plants will start to die off. Research photosynthesis. No carbon, no plant life and no human life

[@tssteelx]

If Trudeau wants to win the next election he's going to have to axe it.

[@frosty848]

We are passed that as the Conservatives will Axe it. there is nothing he can do to win

[@TheEgoBuster]

It's about time Canadians 🪓 Trudeau 💀

[@motherurck7542]

​@@frosty848cheat, he can always cheat.

[@Darrin-ws1fh]

​@@motherurck7542He's much too arrogant to back down now.

[@etuke]

and then reapply it when he has won again,no thank you

[@boganjesus3277]

The tax in this country is sickening

[@MrWadrO]

Leave then. If this is so bad leave. Tired of all these people complaining about my country.

[@boganjesus3277]

@@MrWadrO I am leaving, 3 years 2 retirement. I can’t wait to leave this cesspool

[@JohnnyJackson746]

​@@MrWadrOyour country? I have my doubts

[@jonathanwilkinson4299]

We should just have good public transport. It would do more help for the environment then anything else.

[@starwarsdocumented]

I think in principle your idea is good, but we need to change our fuel source/suppliers. Big companies cause a massive amount of climate change. This is why I propose we switch to nuclear power, which I believe eventually can be switched with nuclear fusion quickly. Creating a more sustainable future.

[@shanewilson8728]

Good luck trying to build a nuclear power plant in Canada. To get a nuclear power plant built in Canada, it will likely take about 20 years just to get it approved even before construction even starts. Every environmental activist will be fighting tooth and nail against building a nuclear power plant .They will dragonhout through the courts .

[@beautanner8409]

My friends gave me a great idea - if I drive just south of the border, I get a huge discount on gas. Gas prices are so high, that it still makes sense to drive 40 minutes out of your way to get gas than down the street. To try and save the environment... we're ADDING kilometers driven to be able to fill up - and gas isn't something many of us can cut out of our budget.

[@christinawilson4155]

Carbon tax is stupid. Incentivizing alternative development makes far more sense.

[@JamesR1986]

That's the whole point of a carbon tax, because if you drive an EV vehicle, you don't have to pay the carbon tax.

[@malvient]

And where do you get the money for those incentives? That's the whole point of carbon tax, GHG credits, etc. Consumers and producers pay and projects that offset GHG get credits which they can sell to producers to subsidize the development of green alternatives. The federal government also doesn't dictate where the carbox tax collected goes to. Your province does.

[@AtteroDominatus]

​@@JamesR1986 Do you really think the carbon tax is only on fuel? Have you looked at your electricity and gas bills? Did you know that an increase in fuel costs is what also drives up the cost of goods? Did you think stuff magically appears on the shelf? Trains, trucks, and farming equipment are how you get food. Do you think companies are going to pay the extra costs? No, they make us pay for it.

[@AtteroDominatus]

​@@malvient You get people back to work and get them paying taxes instead of just taking taxes. Oh, I forgot, you don't want to work because the world owes you something just for existing. In turn this increases my taxes and takes more of my hard earned money. You can only take so much before you run out of other people's money.

[@abbadon9693]

@@JamesR1986You do know that a significant portion of Canadian electricity is produced by fossil fuels? So, depending on how close you live to a dam or nuclear power plant, the electricity you're using is probably produced by fossil fuels. And as it stands now, we don't have the infrastructure to stop using said fossil fuels. So I'd argue that actually building the infrastructure so that we can stop using so much fossil fuels is more important than getting people to stop using fossil fuels. Since even if everyone in Canada switched to non-fossil fuel equivelents, for one, our electrical grid probably wouldn't be able to keep up, and two, even if it could we'd still be using fossil fuels to power stuff, it'd just be through a more roundabout way.

[@isaacgriffin5690]

Shows how short-sighted Canadians are. The fact that so many still support Trudeau/NDP 🤦‍♂️

[@gimenovax1]

These are the most gullible people on the planet.

[@sigmatau7]

You can't be that oblivious to the irony of the statement you just made 🤦

[@DanPerissinotto]

We're obviously under a system of total deception, saying that so many Canadians support Trudeau/NDP is like saying "so many Americans support Biden" From my personal experience, I live in Canada and don't know anyone who supports Trudeau, I also know a lot of Americans and I've never heard one of them say they support Biden Polls and statistic are lies, and don't be fooled by "support on social media", they can fake that with bots and hired pakistani troll farm workers. Commies are taking every nation over and using media to lie to us to make us think their take over is what we want.

[@gimenovax1]

@@sigmatau7 You support what they are doing to this country?

[@gravegaming2023]

​@@gimenovax1yep, and the fact most don't anymore is simply the result of a very successful propaganda campaign by the Canadian right to lick corporate boots as hard as possible by ignoring their record profits to blame the people bringing a solution to a top 3 global issue within the next century.

[@peterslupek6561]

As a Canadian I most certainly do NOT consider climate change a priority issue.

[@ricklebob7111]

If the big producers of carbon were also paying the tax people would be more inclined to also pay it

[@JGL841]

If the Carbon Tax was used to actually reduce GHGs that would have been something. Instead, it's a tax grab by the Trudeau government with no intention to use the money to lower GHGs. Carbon Tax should abolished and incentivize the migration to zero emissions technology. Corporations and private citizens are already doing this but it needs to be far more aggressive and widespread. Norway is a good example how an Oil and Gas producing nation takes the wealth generated by Oil and Gas reserves and applies it to the migration to zero emissions tech.

[@hobbso8508]

You realise the taxes are paid right back to families right? It's a redistribution, government keeps none of it.

[@JGL841]

@@hobbso8508 The redistribution amount doesn't even come close to the amount paid in taxes.

[@hobbso8508]

@@JGL841 Well that's just false. You should really try looking it up.

[@JGL841]

@hobbso8508 Thanks for NOT providing me with facts to back up your claim. Here are mine. The PBO (Parliamentary Budget Officer) publicly said that Canadians will be WORSE OFF financially with the Carbon Tax, even with rebates. kzbin.info/www/bejne/g4TXint3jdaNd8Usi=3eNXduraICcXhP8c Please go peddle your BS elsewhere.

[@claudiameier666]

no hes right. the cost of everything goes up. the rebate doesnt cover it. it doesnt even cover the increased cost of groceries

[@luckreluck4308]

Carbon is not pollution, the amount of co2 in all the atmosphere is less than 0.004

[@whiskeytango9769]

It's actually 0.04%, but I get your point.

[@themoose123]

Plus here's a crazy idea why not plant more trees and protect more forestry

[@whiskeytango9769]

@@themoose123 The forestry industry does that now, has done so for decades. Trees also have these things called seeds, they sprout up everywhere they can. ;)

[@talleywa5772]

​@@themoose123We already do

[@starwarsdocumented]

The reality is, for the vast majority of us This is not our fight. In the present, there is only a certain handful of individuals which can take down the Jugrnaut of climate pollution. This will be an ever risky task, however, in the long run, I have high hopes for the future of humanity. And I believe we will learn from these trying times.

[@dqdq4083]

Just goes to politicians and lobbyists anyway

[@alterrush5930]

Why should we pay tax? The common man isn’t flying private jets or running factories that emit pollution equivalent to a small town every single day. Rich own the responsibility and blame , not the public.

[@theNunnceler]

almost like corporations should be paying for this shit

[@malcolmbrown9266]

Carbon taxes don’t work! BC has had a carbon tax since 2007. The ‘Progress to Target’ charts distributed by the BC govt clearly demonstrate that emissions, while dropping initially in the post 2007 period, have been rising ever since.

[@isaacgriffin5690]

Especially when we are one of the #1 destinations for new immigrants. Liberal/NDP policy of increasing immigration and decreasing carbon emissions is an oxymoron

[@robclarkson3697]

And BC is the province they hold up as success. You can’t reduce consumption with out an alternative. People need to goto work and everything is still shipped by truck. It blows my mind the government defends the tax saying it isn’t that expensive. That’s the whole point is to make it more expensive.

[@Pepz5858]

Carbon reduction starts with manufacturing and factories who need to control them and pay for reducing carbon from them.

[@starwarsdocumented]

Exactly! These factories are run by massive companies. It is very difficult to take down the juggernaut, however, with proper guidance, I believe we are capable of doing this. These are trying times for the world however, I have high hopes for the future.

[@SomeGuy-gc8zs]

Wow, it's almost like people like living in houses and eating food, and have figured out they need money to do so and that these things will be cheaper if the individuals and companies that provide them aren't paying nonsense taxes all the way down the supply chain.

[@seanstevens8729]

Canada doesn’t even pollute the earth to the degree that we’re paying for it

[@Wretchlikemee]

We have had 12 years of this and nothing has changed, in fact it’s getting worse. When do we stop adding fuel to the fire?

[@slicedbacon2861]

The true Canadians, aka the fringe minority, didn't want the insipid carbon tax, to begin with.

[@starwarsdocumented]

I think to judge someone for being a “true Canadian” based on one choice is extremely shortsighted. A demonstration which does not rank highly on the scale of being “ true Canadian” if you were going to throw around such general terms, you better be pretty good at citing your sources. However, I implore you to respond to my comment. I’m sure some of what I am saying is shortsighted and I apologize for that. Four it seems to be there in life we are quick to remove the wood chip in one person‘s eye when we have a twig in our own.

[@slicedbacon2861]

@@starwarsdocumented you were all for the carbon tax, were ya...? You were one of the, "true Canadians" who believed that it, along with, mass green energy projects, would save the planet...? Don't feel bad for being duped. Throughout history, many have been duped. It's not their fault, they just had a twig in their eye...lol...

[@nightcrawler2099]

the carbon tax is doing nothing at all. Most people are only driving the minimum amount to live so how are we to cut down our driving? Why doesn't the clown minister cut down his carbon footprint first?

[@LS-wc6mr]

Oh is that the point? I thought it was just an excuse to take more money from everyone.

[@eurongreyjoy2]

The billionaires constantly flying in private jets should be paying for ALL of it

[@Rain-sg6yq]

Carbon tax doesnt work thats why i want it removed.

[@1wisestein]

While it may be only 14cents on every liter, about a third of what you pay at the pump is in fact taxes. Besides the carbon tax we also pay HST sales tax (e.g. 13% in Ontario), a federal excise tax (10cents/L) and a provincial fuel tax (9c/L in ON). The excise tax is already there because fuel is "bad" like alcohol and cigarettes but we also need a carbon tax? All this fuss about carbon but I never hear it brought up how much fuel is taxed in the first place.

[@thisguyagain8149]

Because it changes nothing and drains their wallet?? Who knew allready financially hurting people don't like paying EVEN MORE!!!

[@sherrimunroe3480]

Our taxes do nothing when China and other countries are allowed to keep polluting! If your country is polluting alot than let them pay the extra taxes!

[@SteveRCPilot]

Carbon taxes are a sin tax like you see on booze and smokes but we need to use gas its not a choice.

[@WowRixter]

It's so inextricably linked to inflation yet the legacy media never discusses it

[@the_ikiru]

The idea of taxing us every day and giving us the entire amount back as a refund is dumb.

[@Alucard_Official]

If it hasn't worked for 8 years why the fuck do I want to pay more and pay for something that hasn't worked

[@longjohn77]

Canadians don't want a carbon tax. The government has forgotten that they are here to serve Canadians, not rule Canadians.

[@Themapleleaforever]

It’d be nice if it weren’t just redirected at the people but at the actual polluters

[@shanewilson8728]

The actual polluters pass the cost on the consumer.

[@doctorbryan954]

That goofball Guibeault should be in prison

[@samspade1841]

Our irresponsible government thinks the answer to everything is more taxes. Sick of their ineptitude and corruption

[@spudgamer6049]

Taxes on energy are almost always regressive, and in addition have a suppressive effect on heavy industry, such as mining, logging, and manufacturing. Of course people aren't going to be happy about that.

[@aidanw9378]

The problem is that we as the people keep being asked to give more and more, but our government is unwilling to look inwardly to cut unnecessary expenditures. Half of government staff could be let go and things would run as normal.

[@cacofany1]

Don’t forget inflation is not matching our wages. Add onto that a increasing carbon tax, are you surprised we don’t want to pay it?

[@jamesowchar8557]

Its people realizing none of the money goes where it should. It goes straignt into government officials pockets

[@starwarsdocumented]

I don’t know about that, I think it just goes down the chain of command to a whole bunch of different divisions so by the time it reaches the section for climate change, there’s only a very small amount left. This is not a problem in the amount of money we are paying in taxes rather it is a problem with financial organization.

[@OutlawCaliber13]

Canada is at a carbon deficit. Too many trees, and plants, not enough emissions.

[@miyu545]

Policies are rated by the people who want the highest tax results. Not by people who are forced to pay it.

[@skipsch]

Politicians need to be more honest about their policies and they'll get supported maybe

[@notottomedic]

The people who should be fixing the problem are the ones who were responsible for causing it. Oil and Coal companies.

[@Cavadoro333]

The thing is that Canada didn't add any better options to travel around, so its just very punishing for everyone when there's no alternatives like trains and lots of bus

[@MikeRepluk]

Carbon tax does nothing to reduce emissions.

[@stevemarshall3986]

You can't stop using fossil fuels when there is no viable alternative that doesn't cost a fortune.

[@kenbland3455]

Taxation is the worst way to fight climate change. Give people tax breaks for lowering their emissions, don't punish people for driving to work.

[@tommorton5246]

Canadians do not want to pay climate taxes or Canadian politicians anymore.

[@devindoherty8728]

You guys realize the carbon tax wouldn't matter if we invested more in public transit, right? I want trains.

[@patricksamuel6241]

I'd support the carbon tax. If that money was actually used for the environment.

[@hobbso8508]

It's actually paid back to families. It's literally just a redistribution to disincentivise fossil fuel usage.

[@patricksamuel6241]

@@hobbso8508 it makes no sense

[@sarahburnside4606]

The reason we’re opposed to carbon taxes is complicated, but i thing for a lot of people it boils down to this: 1. Corporations arent being taxed relative to their income nearly as much as individuals. We know industry is what causes the greatest amount of pollution, so why are individuals facing the most disproportionate amount of tax relative to wealth? 2. Private jets and non-commercial aircraft are hugely detrimental to the climate but we still allow the rich to fly wherever they please on a whim. 3. Its so frustrating for Canadians to pay a carbon tax which we see ostensibly pay for new pipeline and LNG projects. Theres so many other reasons why citizens aren’t fans of carbon tax AS IT STANDS. Maybe if I had other options to get to work and back (say, reliable public transit), then carbon tax wouldnt piss me off so much. Canadians dont hate paying taxes when they go to services we need, but it feels like the carbon tax is nothing more than posturing.

[@bearcubdaycare]

Carrots are more popular than sticks. It's just the way it is.

[@mikepurdue7472]

Canadian oil and gas.... "cLiMaTe ChAnGe!!!" Other countries producing oil and gas... "crickets".

[@BradFalck-mn3pc]

They couldn't have chosen a worse environment minister if they had tried!!!!!😂

[@noneofyourbeeswax371]

It's all about timing, people have no way to affordably buy and use electric or alternative energy for their homes and transport yet. Like what am I supposed to do just because the carbon tax is introduced when the price of a 16 civic is 20k used with 150 k on the clock (any guesses on the price of electric cars? >

[@peedonurpoptart1]

Too bad trudeau and his goons fly around in private jets.

[@BuilditUniversitycom]

Take trudeau’s plane away and his coke.

[@zerozeroone4030]

Please try to understand this is nothing more than a transfer of wealth from the middle class and poor to the rich. Understand that and you'll see better what every crisis is about.

[@aywitb911]

Canadians produce 2% of the worlds co2. Even if we completely stopped producing it, it wont make any difference. China is building coal fired plants so quickly any reduction by us is negated.

[@johnsheppard4428]

"Don't want to pay taxes no more" such top notch Canadian journalism using a double negative.

[@bartroberts1514]

Carbon tax is five to ten times too low, and carbon checks to Canadians don't come close to paying for the damage fossil trade does. Past time we just stopped issuing licenses and permits for exploring, extracting, refining, transporting, exporting and importing fossil of all kinds; curtail 2% per month and we can be fully transitioned to EVs and renewables by 2030.

[@Optimistprime.]

Canada NEEDS to stop subsidizing the oil and gas industry as well

[@emberframe6994]

Tax the companies individuals are such a tiny percent of emissions

[@Smearone1]

National Post don't know grammar no more

[@rac3r5]

As a Canadian, here are all the taxes we pay: - Federal Tax - Provincial Tax - If you own a home: Property Tax and Utility Tax based on the value of your home. Unfortunately the value of homes are out of control now and municipalities still keep on increasing property taxes. - Goods and Services Tax - Provincial Sales Tax - Carbon Tax - Public Transit Tax - And then the cost of goods are more in Canada than elsewhere in the world, sometimes even if the product was made in Canada. Canada is expensive!

[@sadnessinside123]

By the way the stacks in the video are expelling steam.

[@brettsmith5903]

We didn't ever want to pay this tax....

[@Kanakid]

Increased taxes do absolutely nothing to fight alleged human induced climate change! All the carbon tax imposed has not slowed down CO2 into the atmosphere. By the way the plants are loving it!

[@hobbso8508]

Stats argue otherwise.

[@Eiraart]

Consider the fact that in Ontario we had a green program forced on us that saw the poor crippled and our energy cost skyrocket - 10yrs later we’re still paying the debt on canceled wind-farms we contracted other nations to build and then there is the fact that when we tried some “green” solutions we then had to pay Americans money to take our “ excess energy” cause storing it would cost much more that paying someone to take it. EVERY NATION that has played with wind and solar has found both unreliable and too expensive to maintain- Germany switch to nature gas’s quietly after it’s wind and solar failures but no one in the media talks about this and anyone who dares brings it up publicly is immediately shouted down as a “climate denier” - you can care about the climate but aren’t allowed to speak truth cause it’s “ inconvenient” - until real solutions are invented governments need to stop taxing people for the governments mistakes - you want a tax for carbon then let’s make it based on a percentage of one’s net worth not a tax that cripples the poor and middle - let the rich get a taste of the ridiculous tax which does nothing to prevent pollution.

[@ADobbin1]

if you eliminate fuel taxes entirely then food prices will probably go down by about 20%.

[@MrMarek411]

As a Canadian, I haven't seen a proper winter in about 20 years, so why do we pay for shit that doesn't work

[@sofakingcute9804]

Look at that crap, and it’s not just this. And people are worried about cow fart??? 🙄🙄🙄

[@jameswubbolt7787]

Let corporations pay.

[@Headinavise]

Lol, so much money has gone into servicing debt and real estate. I guess there needs to be new leadership that understands cost of living needs to be in check before you can try to fix the climate change problem. If you can't afford to live the environment means nothing.

[@bruceenterpriseriskservice9752]

Perhaps most people dont believe that reducing CO2 will have any effect on warming.

[@Practicalinvestments]

I’m sorry but why is the title so hick 😂 ‘carbon taxes no more’ It’s a small gripe but the proper english way to say that would be ‘Canadians don’t want to pay carbon taxes anymore’

[@claudiameier666]

because its just another tax grab; it raises the cost of everything snd the socalled rebate doesnt even cover half the increased costs

[@stephsmemo]

The businesses that caused the problem should be paying for this. Stop blaming the consumer and confusing consumers.

[@peterl2017]

Its just a tax, that does nothing to help reduce pollution. Its like the money we pay every time we buy a jug of oil, can of paint, light bulb, they charge us $1 or whatever eco-fee but don’t provide us with any way to responsibly get rid of the empty container.

[@gerrybakker146]

Canadians should stop paying taxes completely out of protest