Canarsie Tunnel Reconstruction

[@extremeking425]

By the way, props to the subway workers in the tunnels. They don't get enough credit for what they do.

[@user-dt7uc6uw4s]

Amaru h

[@ninofromkitchennightmares1497]

Good

[@junglebdu8370]

Thank You

[@willair6278]

Ok after they get their credit, I’ll work on John Adams

[@huyturong123]

Thank

[@BeenSauce]

After seeing this, I'm convinced that shutting down both tunnels is necessary. The headache that would be shutting down only one tunnel is worthless.

[@ferociouslettuce]

What if you saw another video explaining that 1 tunnel could keep trains running every 6 minutes in each direction and that a shutdown between Lorimer and Bedford is not actually necessary?

[@BeenSauce]

Andy Okuneff Such a video doesn't exist because its impossible.

[@ferociouslettuce]

Kenny J​ that's not true. L train currently runs every 3 minutes (at peak) with 2 tunnels. If some construction is done in front of the 1st ave and bedford stations over the course of 2017 and 2018, 1 tunnel can be optimized to continually send trains every 3 minutes rotating between brooklyn and manhattan bound.

[@BeenSauce]

Andy Okuneff So the way you look at it, is that if only one tunnel is running therefor service should only be reduced by half? Then you're stating that it can be optimized to run even FASTER in your following post? I don't think you have any concept of how the system operates, especially when there's crews doing major construction. It's not just "some construction", an entire tunnel being shut down is a massive undertaking and requires major resources, which will require the track to have flatbed cars to hold construction equipment likely as far as 6th ave all the way into Lorimer. The reason the trains likely have to end at Lorimer is for layover of both passenger service trains, and construction crew's diesel and flatbed trains. This does not allow for any switching of tracks to "optimize" anything. Besides, why the hell would you want to take a train through stations that will be massively crowded with at least half of Bedford Ave station being closed off and used by construction teams, with all the fumes of the equipment and the dust in the air?

[@ferociouslettuce]

If over the next 2 years, construction was implemented on Bedford and 1st Ave, trains could run half as frequently (every 6 minutes) as they currently do. I don't think you have any concept of how the system operates, especially when there's crews with exorbitant budgets doing major construction to dismiss this.

[@alantassart8065]

thanks for the fair video, MTA. Really well made, and I appreciate how you didn't skimp on the details.

[@ferociouslettuce]

huh? they spend 0 time explaining illogical elements of 1 tunnel option. no reason to shut down traffic between bedford and lorimer nor reason to believe 1 tunnel can't sustain a train every 6 minutes in each direction..

[@ferociouslettuce]

*****​ During 2017 and 2018 is way more than enough time to lay down tracks for tunnels to lead in either direction. They don't have to separate from Bedford and Lorimer - the separation causes more delays.

[@ferociouslettuce]

***** do I understand that a few people make arbitrary decisions that affect the entire mta for their own benefit first? of course i do. but if enough people call them out, they will acquiesce to reasonable requests (ie Peter Cafiero backed away from "we must stand by chairman Epstein and president Bharucha at Cooper Union")

[@ferociouslettuce]

*****​ No they aren't trying to "do their best to keep people safe". It's self interest. I went to the last mta meeting.

[@BrIaNMeRcY1022]

Self-interest my ass. If the TA does nothing, guess what? The 14th Street Tubes would be so heavily deteriorated to a point trains can't run at all. Shows me and everybody here that you are a stupid, act like you are entitled, dumbass who can't figure out a way to clean his own ass.

[@rogers6168]

One vote for the 1.5 years closure instead of 3 year closure. Great video by the way. Thank you MTA!

[@TheRailLeaguer]

Roger S The contract was shortened to 15 months from 18 months, so it will be done quicker.

[@Tom_runs_]

Why is the 3 year option even considered? It will reduce service by 80% effectively shutting it down for three years instead of 18 months.

[@ferociouslettuce]

Why was the 3 year option not actually explored? 1 tunnel could churn out trains every 6 minutes and shouldn't require closure between Bedford and Lorimer. They don't properly explain this option.

[@emilianosanchez9024]

I know right

[@arielgonzalez5296]

Andy Okuneff Actually, if u watched the news, the contract of MTA have reduced the amount of repairs to 15 months. Visit MTA for details.

[@arielgonzalez5296]

LMOE Thats consider to 15 months. It will be 1 year, and 3 months.

[@fgaye1]

LMOE it takes a lot time to remove stuff and fix it then put it back

[@Itsgrantsrants]

These videos are so well made. I'd love to be in touch with who produces them.

[@hungrysoles]

I had a friend I used to visit who lived in Canarsie so I took the L Train and the Tunnel many times into Manhattan. I hope the construction work is now finished and service is better than it was before.

[@James-si4je]

Avenue A should have had an entrance decades ago.

[@PixGT]

it's actually been opened just recently

[@maknyc1539]

??

[@VinceHere98]

I feel pretty worried about the L train riders. Sandy didn't have to happen, did it? 4 years later and the storm still fucks shit up...

[@patrickparadowski2384]

To: MemesNshitLOL HEY!!!!! NO CUSING. ME IS KID. LITERLY

[@TBF_1J]

@VINCENT CHENG ikr

[@patrickparadowski2384]

BUT IM JUDT A KID

[@VinceHere98]

VINCENT CHENG lets not fight.

[@w.cooksy421]

I am currently studying City Planning with an intent on working for my city's public transit system, and this video is very inspirational towards my interests in public transit.

[@VinceHere98]

Hopefully while repairing the tunnel, maybe you can renovate some of the stations in Manhattan as well (And not just add new elevators and stairs at first avenue and Bedford avenue) For example: Look at 6th avenue. That station is falling into pieces. Pieces of the walls have chipped away, there are dirty stains from spot to spot, and even some rats appear from time to time. It's just in a horrid condition compared to Union square and 8th avenue. Hopefully you guys can refurbish it during the tunnel repairs.

[@yxhej5366]

TotalBoogeymenH2Oplus And Chambers Street.

[@CaptainDripp]

The MTA confirmed that they're going to renovate 3 Av (not the best choice in my opinion, I'd rather just renovate ALL 14 Street Stations in Manhattan

[@VinceHere98]

I should also mention to ease crowding problems during the l train shutdown, they should bring back the V, this time have it run via the 63rd Street branch while the F can run via 53rd with the E like it did in the 1990’s, and even extend the G back up to Forest Hills (or even further to either Jamaica 179th or Jamaica Center).

[@britishenough7690]

@@VinceHere98 G is a no no because of the R. V via 63rd Street and F via 53rd Street may cause problems with the M and Q trains.

[@VinceHere98]

@@britishenough7690 The M will go back to being brown and run along the 4th avenue branch like it did during rush hours prior to June 2010. that i should also mention. the G also on rush hours as well.

[@TezukaKohei]

Finally MTA is caring about educating the public on what exactly happened. It would be helpful for an engineer to get into more detail on how the duct bank was so easily penetrated by salt water. Was it the duration of time of submersion that led to it? It's understood that the water had to be pumped out. I remember it took about a month. As a result to prepare for future Sandy's should we be using another material? I think engineering quality and flexibility must improve for the MTA to not break down under it's own weight both physically and politically. The city is completely dependent upon this system and we need to do something that can future proof it and create stop gap measures to improve conditions NOW.

[@ferociouslettuce]

+Brohamulous Chronicles, the MTA has not properly explained why a closure between Bedford and Lorimer would be necessary nor have they explained why 1 tunnel cannot run trains every 6 minutes in each direction..

[@MuddinNYC]

Because one tunnel=1 track. which is explained in the video. You can't have trains running in both directions on a single track because they would collide. Rewatch the video. They explain all this.

[@ferociouslettuce]

switching elements not mentioned.

[@REXXSEVEN]

Mo Uddin lmao...!

[@marcdich9066]

yes yall are giving the trains some love , hug a lonely railroad traffic light for me

[@TRRailfan]

For everyone saying that they shouldn’t do the 3 year option, that one would only close one track at a time, meaning trains could still run through the tunnel but at a slower rate. So either you get no service for 18 months or you get limited service for twice as long. Sounds like a more reasonable option to me given how many people rely on the line.

[@FuquarProductions]

The project has been completed between April 2019 & April 2020

[@ninofromkitchennightmares1497]

it isn’t It means extensive delays for trains all across the line waiting for one train to get out of Manhattan The 1.5 Option is better because it means No delays at all

[@TRRailfan]

@@ninofromkitchennightmares1497 there will be no delays but there will also be no service at all

[@Vxllain]

Bro can we have hats off for the track workers? They BUST their asses to get us to where we need to be!

[@AjaniDGleason]

Cuomo must have not watched this...

[@mattyiannielli2067]

AJ, Abstract Enthusiast Impeach Cuomo!

[@mattyiannielli2067]

Because he doesn't give a crap about Long Island and he demolished the Sheridan Expressway (I-895).

[@Dude0000]

why not ? why not indeed! Cuomo should replace Biden as Democrats nominee and then after the election, stop this silly two term rule. He’s obviously the best man to run anything. At least make him VP and then when Biden becomes too obvious he’s got dementia, then put him in with Kemala probably. Then she takes over after 3-4 Cuomo terms and the best ‘apprenticeship for the first female president. Win-win, right?

[@mattyian1208]

@why not ? Cuomo only wants more traffic and trucks on the Cross Bronx Expressway (I-95) so he can destroy the Bronx and turn the LIE (I-495) into a parking lot. Mike Bloomberg should be the next Governor.

[@TuMalditaMadre]

@@mattyiannielli2067 I read your original comment and said you must be Italian. Then I read your name. That's when your comment made perfect sense.

[@clorenesimilien3033]

Great visual explanation of the damages and what needs to be fixed.

[@TheRailLeaguer]

Universal Love It is the explanation of what happened in every subway tunnel south of 59th Street during Sandy, although some of the tunnels had their duct banks spared from damage.

[@thesubwaynut]

the 18-month full tunnel shutdown is much better. the quicker they get it done, the better. A single track shuttle won't alleviate any crowding.

[@ferociouslettuce]

why can't trains continue to run every 6 minutes with just 1 tunnel? why does route between bedford and lorimer need to shut down during the 1 line at a time plan?

[@BrIaNMeRcY1022]

+Andy Okuneff It is logistically impossible. Under the one tube closure, a train at Union Square can't proceed of a train is either at 1st or 3rd Avenues or at Bedford Avenue. This severely limits the amount of trains that can run. Additionally, under the one tube closure, the 8th to Bedford segment can only run at 4-5 TPH (trains per hour).

[@ferociouslettuce]

BrIaNMeRcY1022​ can you rephrase your 2nd sentence please? Also, each tunnel runs 20 trains per hour typically. 1 tunnel can run 10 trains per hour in each direction.. Very disappointing that the mta is not seriously considering the 1 tunnel at a time option.

[@BrIaNMeRcY1022]

+Andy Okuneff I don't have to rephrase anything. One tunnel CAN'T run 10 TPH at all. It it logistically impossible. The reason for the proposed 12-15 minute headway's is to allow breathing room. Anything over 5 TPH would lead to bottle necks. In the end, (L) riders are going to be forced to deal with it. If they want to continue to ride the (L) line for years, let the TA close both tubes. People think the (L) closure is isolated to Brooklyn, people in the East Village & Lower East Side have to put up with it as well.

[@ferociouslettuce]

BrIaNMeRcY1022​ "let the TA close both tubes" No. These trains can be logistically optimized to run every 6 minutes in each direction - a digital logic design class (freshman/sophomore level engineering) at Cooper Union can do it for the MTA if they're unwilling to do it themselves.. Interestingly, MTA's Peter Cafiero, the former president of the Cooper Union Alumni Association, once insisted President Jamshed Bharucha and Chairman Mark Epstein were the future of Cooper Union (both are long gone). Though Cafiero once insisted ‘transparency’ meant ‘I don’t want to hear what you are saying so I will just shout and not listen and maybe I won’t hear it anymore’, he was proven incorrect before and as we flesh out who came up with "plan b" and how to optimize it, we will again realize this plan has not been fleshed out.

[@JeffDeWitt]

I'm really REALLY glad I don't live anywhere close to that city, but it's fascinating place and this was a good video. I happened to be in the city the Sunday before Sandy hit, that was an interesting weekend!

[@ferociouslettuce]

poor mta governance has little to do with living in the city.. there's tons of federal and state funds pumped into this system. they owe us a real 1 tunnel scenario.

[@8avexp]

I rode on the Larry every Saturday from 8th Ave. to Lorimer St. for three years from 1967 to 1970. It wasn't nearly as busy then as it is now.

[@Madbandit77]

8avexp That's because North Brooklyn (Greenpoint, Williamsburg, East Williamsburg, Bushwick) has become an attractive area since it's affordable to artists who can't afford to live in Manhattan.

[@Tokkemon]

I guess Cuomo skipped this briefing.

[@mattyiannielli2067]

Tokkemon Cuomo doesn’t deserve to be Governor.

[@1575murray]

I used to ride this line from Manhattan to a job site in East New York in the early 1970s. riding it was downright scary because outside of rush hours the trains did not have many riders on its old IND R1-9 cars. This has become a very busy line due to increasing ridership over the years.

[@williamrubinstein3442]

Around 1963 I travelled on this line at night with my parents and brother from the last stop in Canarsie to its last stop in Manhattan near where we lived. It went through some of the worst and most dangerous slums in nyc. The train and the stations were literally fallng to bits, with most of the lights out and not replaced. Passengers looked like obvious violent criminals. This was the scariest ride I have ever been on. I am still surprised we made it home in one piece, after nearly 60 years.

[@thathomeforsale354]

Wow, I took the L train for years and I never knew the tunnel went under the river besides since the tunnel is in bad shape; it's crutial to even close it. I understand us customers need service but life is more important. At this point the shuttle should everyday until the tracks and tunnel can be completely renovated. I think all the customers in Carnarsie needs to see this video so they can understand. I mean a tunnel since 1924 definitely need to have a full repair. Some Express shuttle buses and local shuttles with common sense route. Some of the shuttle route MTA chooses doesn't make any sense actually more of an inconvenience but needs a better strategy for shuttle routes.

[@mariephiffer6207]

Love my beautiful City Thank you MTA for All U Do

[@chessiesystemrailfanman3741]

@NYC GiRL88; Hello I see you like trains too, I subscribed to you and found this out. Nice to see a fellow New Yorker especially one as good looking as you who likes trains.

[@chessiesystemrailfanman3741]

@NYC GiRL88; Thank you for your subscribing to me. Would you ever consider chatting on Facebook?

[@GIJew]

^ pervert

[@chessiesystemrailfanman3741]

@Henry Black; Why are you calling me a pervert which I am not?

[@yenelycaraballo3725]

Thank you MTA For DU L M TRAINS

[@bigboybrady388]

I want to work for the mta SOOOOO BAD!

[@maknyc1539]

then do it

[@donaldshaw8710]

The 14th Street Tunnel linking Brooklyn and Manhattan will be shutting down for 18 months starting in January 2019 to be rebuilt after sustaining water damage from "Superstorm" Sandy.

[@miikeviiteri]

THIS IS TOTALY INTREESTING

[@kevinhoward9593]

if 90% of NY Residents take the Subway, shouldn't the system be turning a profit?

[@kylepost4]

Kevin Howard it should, but it doesn’t because the mta doesn’t keep 100% of the revenue it generates. The state takes a portion of the revenue.

[@TJHorner]

@@kylepost4 It's also worth mentioning how many people evade the fares

[@averageloser533]

@@TJHorner people are evil ;-;

[@paul_allen_]

Somebody show this video to Cuomo

[@mattyiannielli2067]

Paul Allen Impeach Cuomo!

[@Dude0000]

why not ? It’s just Republicans trying to split the Democrats. All Democrats get along. The Bernie Bros to the Business Dems of Bill (especially) and Hilary Clinton and the Stacy Abrams and Garcetti (LA mayor, check him, top leader for the future) for the minority leaders. Saul Goodman! (whose probably a Republican but the great actor who plays him is a solid Democrat, even before he was famous).

[@codeman5507]

One and half years! Dream on! MTA

[@ronaldbernal5055]

the 1 train was flood in south ferry

[@pilsudski36]

YES. No bean counters and "systems analysts" looking over their shoulders!

[@BroodWar4Ever]

The new station is at a lower elevation

[@Leonard_Wilson]

You can thank global warming for Sandy. This really sucks since Williamsburg is an up-and-coming community. Lots of people go clubbing in Williamsburg and the East Village on Friday and Saturday nights. Hopefully this gets done in less than 18 months.

[@CaptainDripp]

Peter Parker it was confirmed a couple of months ago that time was reduced to 15 months

[@matthewhernandez8342]

Peter Parker I thought Spider-Man lived by the 7 train

[@danielmconnolly7]

The Geo-Engineers did it, there is no such thing as "global warming".

[@splashpont]

A variety of efforts? These need to be highlighted.

[@ferociouslettuce]

yessir. they are not specific enough about actually explaining the 1 tunnel option.

[@TBF_1J]

It's already done :D

[@bennie1138000]

How come we can't have a viaduct bridge that connects the Livonia Avenue L train with the Junius street 3 train station. ??

[@friedo44]

A transfer there is approved in the current capital plan. Whether it gets built in time for the Canarsie shutdown anyone's guess.

[@anah3745]

Yes cause I don’t wanna pay twice

[@TheRailLeaguer]

Melody H Don’t worry. For the shutdown, there will be a free MetroCard walking transfer between the stations.

[@michaeldoldron8444]

Ben Y because that's a two different railroad company transit system's that don't share the same connection's from a Letter line to a Number line. Irts is for number train's and the Letter's trains IBT line's same NYC transit but the system's of those rails are different management companies.

[@michaeldoldron8444]

and the IBT is Interboro transit and the IRT ate Interrail Transit.

[@shadow_ruisu]

L trains will run in 2 sections. Between 14st and 1st ave, and bedford ave and rockaway parkway

[@lifeinvestments6329]

No full shutdown

[@yenelycaraballo3725]

Thank you

[@Dishmopo]

Can there maybe be tail tracks at 8th ave. too?

[@untextured_wowzie]

I've always loved the L train

[@alger3041]

When they shut down Montague St. a few years ago, just before that they shut service across the Manhattan Bridge for N and Q trains for several weekends. The D could not be rerouted but that presented no problem. This was done to stabilize the bridge as they would be heavily dependent on it for the next year and a few months. If they shut down the Canarsie Tunnel - by far the better plan - they would have to do the same with the Williamsburgh Bridge for the same reason, just before the tunnel work gets under way.

[@mattyiannielli2067]

Don't blame Superstorm Sandy for the Canarsie Tunnel reconstruction.

[@Emovids.]

Go mta

[@ferociouslettuce]

they got an extra $1B in state funds last year.. That is more than enough for an L train that runs every 6 minutes 1 tunnel at a time.

[@MuddinNYC]

No its not. $1 billion will pay for the material but not labor. Do you expect the cement to pour and mix with magic?

[@ferociouslettuce]

factoring in the $600M in federal funding, labor also included without hitting the mta budget..

[@hostilepancakes]

Andy Okuneff I don't think you realize the costs of construction these days. Yes, they can be lower and more efficient than they are now, but we don't have time to squabble over that, if the L train is going to get fixed. The 3-year option requires the shutdown of one track, as mentioned in the video. The first crossover switch west of the Canarsie tubes is just to the west of 3rd Avenue station. The closest one to the eastern end is just to the east of Bedford Avenue. That means that an L train would have to travel from 3rd Avenue to Bedford Avenue in under three minutes for your 6 minute per direction headway to work. I checked Google Maps, and it says it currently takes 5 minutes to travel that distance via the L train, and that's with both tunnels open (less queueing). There is no way to get them to run every 6 minutes per direction without skipping at least two of those stations. And if they were to skip two of the three stations on the single-track segment, they might as well shut both tubes down.

[@Sabba7h]

and now this isn't happening anymore, nice

[@ninjahotdog9036]

Sabba7h Bad. We risk danger when riding the line. The closing would have ensured that we are safe from this line

[@metropolisubway47]

MTA: Rebuilding Canarsie is the most crucial Me: Well you could have done it in 2013 then

[@oneclick7453]

why not leave the M train running 24/7

[@TheRailLeaguer]

Pingues TV That’s the plan. On nights and weekends, service will go to 96th Street-Second Avenue

[@daveander22]

Yay! A 24/7 (M)!

[@myfriendmoses]

How about new tunnel bore?

[@ferociouslettuce]

it would be expensive to build an extra tunnel; however, mta got an extra $1B from the state last year. If they used a chunk of that money and started Jan 1 2017 on a new tunnel, they'd have 2 operational tunnels for the duration of construction and a 3rd which could expand future routed!

[@sunlite9759]

Is the reconstruction consistent with the business climate in NY or for that matter the US? With the cost of living going up ( Inflation, Rent, etc) make it impossible to survive given the declining wage structure?

[@42luke93]

Any outcome? I don’t take this route and was wondering.

[@Dezlite]

They fixed it on time

[@8avexp]

I remember when the BMT standards still ruled on the Larry.

[@flower_7044]

Can this be permanent? Thanks.

[@Boypogikami132]

why's the one-track closure a thing?

[@gloriareedseptaguy4213]

3:36 until 2019... Umm it's 2019 now is it done idk because I don't live in new York I live in Philadelphia

[@TheRailLeaguer]

Gloria Reed They said the work won’t start UNTIL 2019. The work started in April

[@ninofromkitchennightmares1497]

gloria reed septa guy 42 And it’s a year and a half till it’s done

[@chunkemonke398]

Now the L train is the most reliable train in the subway system. With the exception of the weekend shutdowns

[@jackielee5815]

Mta people should have train clean up the track every time .that is good idea.

[@davidmoore535]

Is this the L train??

[@metrofilmer8894]

Yep. The L runs along the line often known as the Canarsie Line

[@zaedin1]

Should we just build 2 new tunnels to allow for an express service?

[@TheRailLeaguer]

Zaedin0001 Too expensive

[@bolosantosi5398]

The 1.5 year solution sounds better, you guys can do it! Go mta!

[@donaldshaw8710]

You've got your wish, man. The Manhattan segment of the L line will be closed for reconstruction which will last 18 months.

[@bolosantosi5398]

+Donald Shaw yes finally! 😀

[@lovellwilliams3453]

It’s 2020 is it fixed

[@DTD110865]

On another L train related subject, is this crack beneath the Rockaway Parkway-bound platforms at New Lots Avenue a problem?commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:New_Lots_Avenue_L;_Crack_under_the_Canarsie_platform.JPG

[@andyyylin]

This aged well

[@shadow_ruisu]

I have a suggestion. Before the shutdown send 2 L trains in Manhattan

[@GIJew]

They're doing work on the stations in Manhattan during the shutdown, there's no room for service.

[@oMaJoJ]

Henry Black Also if any thing happens to a train in Manhattan, you can't get it out.

[@lifeinvestments6329]

There's no repair yard for the L train in Manhattan the repair yards in East New York

[@arishem555]

Isn't it easier and safer without service interrupt to build just new tunnels? Why to fix old ones instead building new ones?

[@TheRailLeaguer]

Mihail Vovk It would take longer to build new ones then shut down the old tunnels. Also, why build new tunnels when the tunnel is structurally safe? All they have to do is demolish the duct bank and replace the communication cables. The work would only disrupt service for 15 months.

[@WavesAcquired]

Guess you can say the L train took a L huh 😢

[@anikaroberts5608]

So is the r143s gonna go on the q line?or b?

[@JorgeCat78]

Why would 8-car trains go to the B or Q lines?

[@yulhansellpolanco4156]

In the intro they said to go to the (L) to see new york cities growth....... Sike go too either Time square 42 street or any station of the Lexington line!

[@guestuser1837]

both are busy, but dont necessarily _grow_ The L isn't too busy but has grown a lot. It's like Lex is an adult and the L is a teenager.

[@TheFastMan234]

It was already fixed the M train between Myrtle - Wyckoff Avs and Myrtle Av Braodway .

[@chitocorpuz754]

God bless you mta rail workers. Pls stay safe always.🙏🙏🙏 I take the L train.

[@billslattery3550]

The train tunnels need to get worked on to make commuting faster and easier solhtion

[@lifeinvestments6329]

listen everybody that comment on this video it's best to shut this train now for a year-and-a-half between 8th Avenue and Bedford there's no way around this people just have to deal with it

[@emilianosanchez9024]

how about trains between 8 av-1 av and trains between Bedford av-Rockaway Pkwy

[@HassaanQazi]

Not workable in Manhattan. Among other reasons, if any of the rolling stock in Manhattan's section of the L breaks down, there's literally no way to get replacements in. The Canarsie Line doesn't have any track connection to any other line in Manhattan.

[@lifeinvestments6329]

How would a train get repairs the repair yard is in East New York for the L line remember wants to Tunnel shutdown no trains can go through there

[@AneudiD78]

There's always another option. I'm not an engineer, just a problem solver. What if the MTA constructs a tube tunnel offsite? Just like the construction on Boston's Big Dig project. They submerge these new tunnels section by section, then when everything is connected, they remove the old sections.

[@JeffDeWitt]

+Aneudi Diaz I expect if they had to replace the tunnels that's exactly what they'd do, but here it looks like the tunnels are structurally sound, just the cable channels are damaged. It would be a LOT more expensive to replace the tunnels instead of fixing them.

[@mattsmith0935]

Is there a video that describes the work that will be done on the M to prepare for the L shutdown?

[@ferociouslettuce]

how about a real explanation of the absurd and unnecessary constraints for using 1 tunnel at a time..

[@BrIaNMeRcY1022]

www.mta.info/press-release/nyc-transit/mta-rebuild-crucial-aging-sections-m-line-brooklyn-queens

[@Cheezburgercatz]

+Andy Okuneff if you have such a problem with this why weren't you following it before it was approved. Why don't you bring your ideas directly to the MTA if you're so sure of your solution. They don't listen to KZbin comments

[@BrIaNMeRcY1022]

Some people try to come up with half-baked ideas to make things easier for the entitled. The work on the (M) & (L) line must be done. If the TA does nothing, prepare to face delays and create an hazard for the riding public.

[@ferociouslettuce]

"the entitled" = employees who give themselves millions to not minimize impact on community. 2 transitional elements is such a ridiculous "half baked" idea lol. How dare we ask that $2.75/ride entitlement + $1.8B in fed+state funding to do a job of laying down 3miles of new buswork (in a list of typical costs - it would cost the same to construct brand new tunnels pedestrianobservations.wordpress.com/2013/06/03/comparative-subway-construction-costs-revised/ ). Estimating the cost as double for demolition as it is to lay new cable into the space (demolition is not a specialized field - anyone can do it with limited training), this doesn't even come close to the $1.8B that has been allocated. But whatever, let's take the side of the people that are disappearing money because we're cowards and want our kids to grow up in the same environment we did.

[@Hypestrike1]

While the Manhattan section of the line is shut down, one potentially feasible idea could be to extend the tail tracks west along 14th Street to the Hudson River. A new terminal station could be built that better serves Chelsea and MePa residents, relieves some congestion along 14th Street and allowing provisions for a future connection to the 7 train, if it is ever extended south from 34th Street-Hudson Yards. Brooklyn residents would also have a direct one-seat ride to the Chelsea Piers, Hudson River Park and all the excitement of the new far west side. Only three or four blocks worth of tunnelling would be needed from Eighth Avenue and part of the tunnelling would be incorporated into a new terminal station anyway (and new tail tracks), so it doesn't seem so far-fetched from an engineering point of view. In reality there's money and ridership issues, but I see all over the system opportunities where (relatively) short new tunnels could make big differences in knitting together the Subway to enable better mobility.

[@TheMetroologist]

Hypestrike1 So, they'd drop the current situation which is getting worse by the year and is arguably more important to address to build something that's not even all that necessary?

[@jerrywu615]

This would be a good idea if L trains still ran in Manhattan, but if there is no service in Manhattan for a whole 1 and a half years, it would be temporarily a waste. Speaking about service in Manhattan, why couldn't they close both tunnels, and limited service between 8th ave and 1st ave? Therefore using the quickest possible way to repair the tunnel but also having the train run in Manhattan. Also, the new tunnels you were talking about could serve as places that trains can sleep at night instead of the Canarsie yard which is not accessible by Manhattan trains.

[@TheRailLeaguer]

Jr2 Trains If one of those trains in Manhattan breaks down, there would be no way to get to East New York Yard (where the L train shops are) or even 207th Street or Coney Island Yards (where heavy maintenance is performed) for repairs. They are shutting down service in Manhattan because it is better than risking trains breaking down between 8th Avenue and 1st Avenue. Why can’t you embrace using a bus for 15 months between Manhattan and Brooklyn and along 14th Street?

[@agr804]

We gonna get some R160 G trains and R 143 M trains finally again

[@kobyschechter4378]

Even though I usually take the E train. I’m in huge favor of shutting down both tunnels. The riders won’t have to suffer if it’s all gone.

[@TheRailLeaguer]

Koby Schechter And your E train will take some of the displaced riders into Manhattan.

[@kobyschechter4378]

TheRailLeaguer I really don’t go to the city that often. I’ll just take the A train if I have to. I live on Long Island so it’s close to me.

[@TheRailLeaguer]

Koby Schechter Then get ready to deal with additional crowds at Broadway Jct and Hoyt-Schermerhon. That line will also be affected by the L train shutdown

[@jusliving7977]

Well, the MTA / NYC Transit had Andy Byford. But the politicians ran him outta town. He would've overhauled / modernized the NYC transit system in an efficient and expeditious manner (considering the HUGE undertaking). Too bad the powers that be were to corrupt to let him do his job.

[@willair6278]

2:32 *Duct Tape

[@nasirfenton331]

why doesnt the mta makes the L train run on the J line from Broadway Junction Through Chamber Street

[@JorgeCat78]

Because with already 2 lines (J & M) running through that section, it would be a nightmare! Imagine if an incident such as a signal problem or a sick customer occurs during the rush hour - it'll be a headache that even Excedrin won't cure!

[@JorgeCat78]

@VINCENT CHENG I'm well aware of DJ Hammers videos (in fact, he's my co-worker, though I have more time on the road). They had L trains terminating at Broadway Junction on weekends! Weekends! Pre-COVID, if you tried that on weekdays, you would have a huge bottleneck, considering how many Js (the Z is a version of the J, so I don't include it) would be going in and out.

[@malek3605]

I know something the L-train that comes outside Can have a outside rail and can go up to the east river

[@thebossking1743]

Sometimes I wonder why do they begin to relair 4 years after the storm?

[@viseberg8527]

Because retaining normal service while figuring out the actual amount of damage is more important than an immediate shutdown.

[@quinlanwconley4010]

Please don’t discontinue the L train I really wanna ride let me know when it comes back or gets discontinued I understand the issue I’m praying for the L train to stay

[@TheRailLeaguer]

Quinlan W Conley Don’t worry. The L train won’t get discontinued. The Canarsie Tunnels will just be closed for 15 months for repairs and during this time, the L train will only operate between Bedford Avenue and Rockaway Parkway, so the L train won’t be discontinued.

[@quinlanwconley4010]

Oh thank you for telling me

[@TheRailLeaguer]

Quinlan W Conley No worries. People are overreacting, saying that it’s the end of the L train. Meanwhile, I have concerns about the shutdowns effects on other lines like the A and C trains and the 3 and 4 trains, which I have addressed to the MTA.

[@dragonflame2877]

Yay broway junction that stop I use to Atlantic av

[@jlizardi5013]

As much as I like MTA taking time to educate people (rarely on NY goverment agencies) it scare me to give so much DETAIL. It reminds me those ducumentaries doing exactly the same with the Twin Towers after the first attempt in the 90s. Hopefully not the same results.

[@whiteowl2709]

Bring back the double LL train they threw 1 L to the left

[@iluvyousomuch000]

its already fixed

[@FRESHALEX760]

They need another tunnel that line has to many damn people

[@Ran_Itsuki]

There is no way in hell that the L line is longer than the A line 😂 Canarsie - 8th Ave Beats Far Rockaway - Inwood 207th No way in hell

[@brotherjay4614]

Can you fix the R & M train

[@TheRailLeaguer]

Jay Montesdeoca I’m not sure what you’re talking about, but if at about Sandy-damaged tunnels, then both are fixed.

[@chuanwupeng9116]

Every day at 34st waiting for D train is long long time, every 3 F train passed. Come one D train, many many time at Grand st can't close the doors, has 1/3 time at PM rush D train tuning Exp to Bay Pwky, I have to left the D train to wait for the D train. Make more D train please!

[@emilianosanchez9024]

like if you agree that another option could be trains running from 2 sections 8av-1av and bedford av-Rockaway pkwy

[@TheRailLeaguer]

Emiliano Sanchez That will not work. If anything happens to those trains in the Manhattan section, then it stays there until the tunnels reopened. If the tunnels are closed, there is no access to maintenance yards from the Manhattan stations.

[@dragonflame2877]

Thank mta even known I don’t use it anymore

[@davidgarcia6095]

NYC MTA make so much money, why can they keep the elevated tracks nice and well maintained,keep the damn thing painted.

[@1911enjoyer]

they lost andy byford, the guy who actually took care of the subway, second, fare evasion made the MTA lose 500 million dollars of lost revenue, thirdly, the MTA is currently in a crisis, due to covid, the MTA is having crew shortages.

[@ggpuppyfanatic2996]

I looked at the L train and all I saw was R143's And R160's

[@craigrosenman907]

How about a new stop at Kent and North 7th to ease congestion at Bedford in the future as more and more towers are built along the waterfront

[@AlgonquinRider810]

+craig rosenman If it's close to Bedford Ave it makes no sense. You'll just add run time to the line.

[@craigrosenman907]

+AlgonquinRider810 it may add time but will also alleviate the over crowding at Bedford which can't handle the traffic. It is truthfully a fire hazard as is. Even with the new stairs they are suggesting.

[@AlgonquinRider810]

craig rosenman Fair enough. But a new station would be the least of the L's problems.

[@ralphherrera8641]

What song 0:50

[@AMT1345]

Thanks for Montréal at 0:31

[@QuarioQuario54321]

Rutgers is still in Pre-Sandy condition

[@markop5837]

Bring back the r42 on the L line again

[@kleve_1143]

they reefed most of the R42's, so that won't happen

[@markop5837]

+han hanzo :(

[@markop5837]

+han hanzo i miss the old l train They change the tracks From sutter ave to Bway junction it was different

[@kleve_1143]

Yeah, i remember that sharp turn.. those were the days

[@markop5837]

+han hanzo ikr

[@Abstractt]

"Look at the l train" but it's taking that L right now