History of WWI Primer 072: Italian Vetterli 1870/87/15 Documentary

[@Jesses001]

So if you take a single shot black powder rifle, convert it to a repeating black powder rifle, then convert it to a smokeless powder 40 years later, then drag it though multiple wars, then give it to semi trained troops in a harsh environment, then you let it rust for 100 years, your rifle might not be good anymore. I will keep that in mind.

[@dunsdonjone1537]

🤣

[@nebiyuesayas5600]

The best part is if you're familiar with Milsurp Munitions, they make both full power 6.5 Carcano *and* a dedicated 6.5 Vetterli, meaning if it's not fucked you can *still* shoot this rifle. The AK would be proud of the Vetterli's longevity.

[@windogendoors7566]

I found one of these in my local gun shop. It had the chamber welded along with a weld on the firing pin hole . It had the words "don't fire" carved into the stock. Someone really did not want someone to fire it.

[@ottokis308]

I have this rifle. My great grand father bought a lamp and this was the base of the lamp lol. All they did was have a base the boot stock sat in and make shift light fixture at the end of barrel. my grand father inherited it and pulled the lamp apart and just kept the rifle. Then my dad got it. No body knew what it was my dad gave it to me and about 3 years ago I finally pieced its history together to find out it was this rifle.

[@aaronkuminski1415]

I think you stole that from the great outdoors

[@bigandlittlefirearms8395]

Lol

[@nicksabatini2070]

The one I acquired was a lamp too🤣

[@tonlito22]

The Italian Vetterli 1870/87/15. This fusion of Vetterli, Vitali, Mannlicher, and Salerno isn't a weapon of war. It's an experience.

[@davidlamppert9093]

Quoted to me at a gunshow as I was buying a Vetterli, "Do you want a leash to go with that dog?"

[@pieshka4509]

The rifle still looks like something you'd see a sand person holding in Star Wars.

[@daskriegsman7013]

Tuskan Raider

[@timblack6422]

Truth

[@Darthdoodoo]

Sand person? Culturally insensitive much! They are Tuskans not Sand people geez 😂😂😂

[@G-Mastah-Fash]

"What should we name these tribal raiders?" "I wanna call them Arabs." "We can't call them Arabs, George." "Sand People."

[@neuzdost1939]

@@Darthdoodoo cUltUrAl iNsEnSiTivE......doesnt you have psychopaths to support or something else than poison this comment section?

[@zaqzilla1]

I still want a T-shirt that says "The Vetterli is bad, but it's better than a stick."

[@luzianwasescha6056]

zaqzilla1 as a swiss guy, this insults me

[@zaqzilla1]

It's what the English attache said about the Vetterli when he was suggesting buying them for Russia.

[@neutronalchemist3241]

It seems that the Brits were eager to give the Russians someone else's rifles, but not to give them any of theirs, not even a Martini Henry (that, BTW, they still used in the first part of the war).

[@zaqzilla1]

Probably because they wanted to keep rifles they had ammo for in their own service. After all they were having problems equipping their soldiers too. When they bought the Vetterlis they got a load of rifles and ammo they didn't have to produce themselves.

[@danielhyson6079]

Same

[@Frank-bc8gg]

A moment of silence and a glass of wine for the fallen guns.

[@RapidFire740]

funny you mention, Italian soldiers knew there was a new Isonzo offensive when they were given wine. Corps officers were given discretion to distribute "Grappa" before they had to go over the top. It didn't take long before the soldati understood what being given rations of wine meant

[@markomarcola7696]

3 days before was luighi cadorna on front with king emanuele telling him this defence can not fall they did in 3 days of attacking that is the time vetterli was in fight plus some little action from artilery units that got them insted of carcano ts

[@MartinCHorowitz]

In Fairness to this gun, nobody expected someone would be firing one 100 years later. As you said it was an emergency conversion.

[@MoxieFirearms]

The one I bought came out of an estate. The man had owned it since 1940. It was still covered in grease inside and out from the arsenal rework from 1915.

[@natureman494]

This is the best conversion of an older rifle to something new that I’ve seen on this show

[@realmenshoot3085]

Spiders? In my rifle? It's more likely than you think.

[@sapper12b68]

You and Ian are the best KZbin channels

[@Wolf_Larsen]

>Ian >Best 10/10 made me chuckle

[@Isildun9]

I think that might be a new record for "War were Declared" for these episodes.

[@Tiger351]

Mike Brammer No that would be the Pederson device episode.

[@sharkfinbite]

I want to say to all of you team in this series production have been doing a fantastic job in every episode. The level of detail, professionalism, and making sure to never let any bias you have or people have about certain guns influence your reviews is at a position so few gun documentaries or other online youtubers for guns can match. Be proud of yourselves and keep doing your good work. Congratulations on the number of subscribers all of you. I too suggest all those watching to share, drop a like to the video, and comment to help the channel grow. (I am not sure, but I have heard commenting does help garnish more attention from sponsors, youtube itself, or something good in helping the channel grow larger. I can't remember what it was, but it is something good.)

[@tmack11]

When this gun came out, tieing an onion to your belt was still high fashion

[@sugarnads]

tmackenzie well it was the style at the time

[@deepbludreams]

how else are you going to attract ogres?

[@tarstakars]

But we had to use red onions instead of Bermudas because of the war.....

[@fuzzydunlop7928]

I had to look this up to get the reference and I'm so happy you made me do that.

[@jarodcrazyindian]

lol

[@coreystockdale6287]

Great work guys thank you for allowing all of us to learn in a fun way. Greetings from up north🇨🇦🇨🇦

[@elfinfluff]

"Always keep an eye out for any spiders that might want to be living in your rifle." That's just sound life advice.

[@abstractapproach634]

What if you train it to act like an autosear (take that ATF)

[@I_am_Signal]

To train or not to train your milsurp rifle spider that is the question@@abstractapproach634

[@panzerabwerkanone]

So I guess we have a couple of Anvil episodes to look forward to as Mark repairs a couple of self-destructed Vetterli rifles?

[@ProjectD13X]

Glad to see Mae is alright :)

[@jpkalishek4586]

here here

[@doraran2138]

When Steam Punk fad was in vogue, this was a popular accessory. I saw one with all sorts of copper and brass attachments to make it look even more Victorian Era.

[@YourTypicalMental]

A new C&Rsenal? lemme just stop rewatching this episode of The Great war!

[@silas4lagoon776]

Somebody tell flo that Indy has been betrayed

[@MilsurpMikeChannel]

Had one of these... Considered it a white elephant in my collection. It left in a series of trades that netted me my SVT-40. Definitely don't miss it.

[@charlesoconnell8723]

I have been around the Vetterli modelM1870/87/15 for more than 50 years.My Father bought me one when I was 15 years old .I have been shooting it as long as I have owned it .I have every version of these old rifles and 6 of the long infantry rifles.They all shoot fine no issues .The safety points you have mentioned are however valid.The points I would like to make is that these rifles were converted under a war time emergency act.They however not considered a last ditch emergency weapon but was officially known as substitute standard Rifle for infantry model 1870 /87/15 and they were most definitely issued to front line units from 1917 on ,and you are right they saw heavy service during WW 2 in Africa .I have been a collector and real gun smith for many years .These rifle were sold off in 1960 as scrap many of them of them tinkered with by people bolts miss matched old parts replaced with other old parts so on and so on.Not unlike many 19 th Century ilitar These rifles lack the safety engineering of later designs they can be extremely dangerous if all is not in order.Ammunition is major cause for concern most modern ammunition for the Carcano is not safe for the vetterli the rifle is designed to and proofed by Italian government to shoot the M1891 Carcano ammunition both Norma and PPU ammunition exceed normal service pressure and velocity of standard carcano M91 Italian Ammunition ok for a carcano though many don’t shoot well with it.Military surplus if you find it is to old can be dangerous and unreliable .One more thing is bullets their are real issues with bore size I have acquired a large supply of pulled surplus 160 grain carcano bullets one hundred were measured at random of the thousands I have acquired the have an average diameters of .265 not .267 or .268 the. 267/268 diameter bullets can be Dangerous in both the Carcano and most assuredly the old vetterli .In the case of the vetterli never use .267/.268 years ago I developed a good load for my vetterli rifles works well in all them norma or ppu cartridge cases CCI or winchester ,Remington large rifle primmer 27.grains IMR 4895 129 gain Hornady 6.5 .264 dia. Spitzer non boat tail velocity 1900 fps cases and the rifles are not stressed by this load is very very accurate .Pointed6.5 bullets work fine in these rifles however boat tail bullets do not work well at all give vary poor accuracy.I have been using the above load for many years it is also accurate in my carcanos even the cavalry carbines Italian 6.5 rifle s generally works fine keep your velocity’s to well under 2000 fps

[@davidkohler7454]

Thank you for this useful information. I have 2 of these and both seem to be in much better condition than Othias,s rifle. I will again inspect them closely ,and reload some ammo with these specs. I do have a few clips. I reload and shoot many other 6.5 cartridge. They are some of my favorite. Low recoil and very accurate.

[@RonJohn63]

11:45 Does the ejection port look crude? _Really_ crude?

[@MrCarGuy]

RonJohn63 It'll buff out.

[@KarlEller]

Yeah, looks like they got the apprentice to do it with a file just before knock-off time on Friday.

[@unknowntraveller8633]

A little Bondo and some cut and polish compound it will be as good as new

[@SpaceCowboyfromNJ]

Surprisingly so.I never realized they widened them during the conversion before. I only have an 1870/87/15 so nothing else to compare it to, and mine is so perfectly cut you would have thought it came out of the factory built that way

[@Matt_The_Hugenot]

File under that'll do.

[@chitoryu12]

It explodes AND it has spiders in it???

[@SgtKOnyx]

Who *wouldn't* want one?

[@CapitanCarter]

As an Australian I feel like I need one now...

[@goodmaninastorm4617]

CapitanCarter still not effective emus, though, I’d wager.

[@davidbrennan660]

And people got excited with the Movie “Snakes on the Plane”.

[@presidentmerkinmuffley6769]

@@davidbrennan660 'Arachnids in Your Rifle.' Coming soon to a gas station DVD dealer, near you.

[@arsonmarathonpowerfuneral6037]

At some point you have to cut back on the forward slashes in your designations.

[@OneThousandEyes]

C:\Italia\WW1\Vetterli\Vitali\1870\1887\1915

[@SgtKOnyx]

You can't make me

[@presidentmerkinmuffley6769]

@@OneThousandEyes C:\Italia\WW1\Rifle\Vetterli\Vitali\1870\1887\1915

[@declandillman82]

Marvelous...Thanks so much for this video. I've owned one of these rifles for decades, but only recently have devoted any time to this old beast. Interesting history! I'm very pleased to learn about this in detail, finally. Also, while I have had mine out to shoot ( it does...did...this time) I have a new appreciation for the potential dynamics involved.

[@SpaceCowboyfromNJ]

Well you wanted to know, I have one in beautiful condition. It also seems that instead of going to Africa, it wound up in Spain as it has a Spanish Arsenal stamp (or at least that is what I was told I haven't found a good resource yet to confirm the stamp myself) The Bolt while a bit stiff isn't horrible and the bore is real nice. The only issue with the chamber is some old oil residue in it.

[@SpaceCowboyfromNJ]

Also that Ejection port looks like a bad hacksaw job on yours, the one on mine I never even realized it was something they widened, It practically looks like came from the factory built like that. Only on very close inspection do you notice it's a little off.

[@Jesses001]

I find it likely that quality was all over the place with all the different places converting them. Also I am sure many of them had harsh lives over the last 100 years. I have never seen one in good shape, so you got a winner there.

[@ginodalessandro9473]

just bought an 1882 model-cleaned it and inspected the bolt and barrel-ran 12 rds though it-no issues accurate-clip had issues falling out. used 6.5x52 carcano softpoint made by prc. good luck-love the gun and history great c& r

[@crisandm1016]

Great job Othais. It's nice to see all of those Patreon bucks going to use. Keep it up.

[@Candrsenal]

Every time they go up I get excited.... and then we end up spending them and I still have 3 year old underoos.

[@marnieroberts7195]

3 questions othias. 1. what size waist do you have? 2. Boxers, briefs or the boxer style but close fitting like brief thingies whose correct name i don't know? 3. c&rsenal mailing address? I know they make australian flag underwear...if a viewer from each country sends him a pair of underwear with that countrys flag on them... he have a cool collection and wouldn't need to wash underwear for months! :D

[@charlesinglin]

I wonder why no one thought to say "Do we really need the last eight or ten inches of barrel? Let's cut it back."

[@ivanthemadvandal8435]

Charles Inglin The ladies love the extra inches.

[@TheRealColBosch]

This is my second time watching this, and even knowing the outcome, seeing Mae fire this thing was terrifying.

[@StampedTomcat50]

I'm kinda curious as to if black powder loaded 6.5 would run more reliably and safely in these. Burns slower with a lower pressure, with a lower squib chance.

[@Vincent-S]

You are way braver than I am for shooting that rifle, Mae. Especially while watching the little puff of gas blow back towards you. I also noticed how rough looking the action was while working it. Is that typical of all the Vetterli-Carcano-Mannlicher-not-so-much-Vitali 1870/87/15 rifles? I remember fiddling around with one I found at a gun shop last year and good god that thing was finnicky in the bolt department. It was loose and prone to tilting to the sides causing it to lock up a bit unless you gave it a bit of a wiggle and be more slow and deliberate when closing it.

[@Dr.Cassandra]

Haha after my last comment, I knew this was going to be next. I love these videos lots of good info

[@borkwoof696]

Cassandra Elizabeth von wasn‘t that obvious from the episode itself?

[@ludditeneaderthal]

"it's STILL a terrible rifle, but still (barely though) better than a stick..."

[@Khanclansith]

Well Othais, you made my night.

[@AbananaPEEl]

Just started re watching this one as i have picked up an 1870/67/15 and Othias talked about spiders living in the wood fillers around the mag. And low and behold, there is a dead spider right in there on mine. He sure does read his books well!

[@johnp9402]

Lol I did too. Royal tiger?

[@AbananaPEEl]

@@johnp9402 Hyup. Was yours a real piece of shit? lolol

[@Tula1940_LB]

I've been waiting for the Mosin Nagant M91 for so damn long... Great video as always although I love the deep dive into these I'd love to see WWII after.

[@woodsmanforlife1677]

Once again: Outstanding!

[@kieranh2005]

You're not terrible at butchering the languages... You're very good... at butchering them 😉

[@occhiodisauron25]

listen! As a native speaker, I can understand that Italian is extremely difficult for a native English speaker

[@3boxop633]

Sorry I am a year late to the party but I wanted to throw in my 2 Cents concerning this rifle, having owned several over the years. I believe that the biggest problem you had with these rifles failing is the bore diameter. I am not sure if you used surplus 6.5 Carcano ammunition or handloads or a combination of the two? However something to be aware of is that the bore diameter on most of these rifles is between .263 and .265. Standard 1891 Carcano (and the later models) have a bore diameter of anywhere between .267 up to .270. The two 70/87/15's that I currently own both have a bore diameter of approx~ .2638. My guess is that if you were using the "proper" sized bullets for the modern 1891 Carcano then you were creating an extremely high pressure situation in the 70/87/15 due to undersized bore thus causing catastrophic failure. Just something to think about.

[@betaich]

they used handloads and they slug every bore before firing.

[@philipheck144]

One of these rifles showed up in my garage Sat. 5/7/22, along with some machine gun parts. I cleaned it and hung it on the wall above three other Italian shorter rifles. Will never be fired.. PJH

[@Sedan57Chevy]

3:56 the gun got mad you hit it on the table and ran away before 4:05. I think. Or maybe different cuts. But I'm pretty sure these old rifles have feelings, too!

[@lefr33man]

33:16 Just bought a pretty one! Living in France and sharing a border with Italy has its upsides. Sometimes.

[@adamhauskins6407]

Finally the bore conversion process

[@captapraelium1591]

25:33 holy cow. Thanks for risking your faces for the firing footage :O

[@cancandan7616]

Hey othais,are you going to do a video on the belgian 1889 mauser/ottoman 1890 mauser?

[@fuzzydunlop7928]

Rusty Chambers is the name of my elected representative.

[@WilliamGrayIV]

Thank you for this. I found a nice vetterli 1870/87/15 with a very smooth action. I'm a little worried about shooting it though. I'll have to do more research on proper loading. On the plus side, it's heavy enough to make a great club.

[@Immafraid]

These might be best served as wall hangers.

[@TwilightsChapter13]

27:45 The only requirements for joining the Italian territorials is that you must have a kickarse mustache and look 100% shitfaced all the time.

[@tristanpaquin]

To their defense, some don't look THAT shitfaced

[@deepbludreams]

I think that's still the requirement to join the Italian army.

[@scipio10000]

AS it turned out, one territorial did smoke out an Austrian General touring the front using a Vetterli Vitali 15 model. The general had the bad idea to stroll around on open ground at some distance from the Italian line thinking it safe. The territorial decided to prove him wrong. Perhaps by sheer luck, but the territorial hit him fair and square. That long barrel did at the end do some service. Sorry I cannot provide the source. It was a chronicle of the WW1 I have no longer access to.

[@hollowmstr]

At the time you could be court-martialed for not having a mustache...

[@ZGryphon]

+scipio10000 "They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist"

[@Matt_The_Hugenot]

A twenty inch bayonet on the end of that thing is scary, ideal for guarding POWs and civilians.

[@jimgiordano8218]

I own one. 1877 in 6.5 Carcano, serial #UV7939 with matching stock same serial number. Very good condition for it's age.

[@SaintDeadeye]

I just bought one of these. Sad to hear it won't handle commercial loads. Really wanted to take it right out to shoot.

[@Jargolf86]

I must insist @C&Rsenal , you cant put this Piece and the Reichsrevolver on the same Place. The Reichsrevolver might be Clumsy, outdated and slow, but it is ABSOLUTELY Safe and Reliable. Greetings from a big Reichsrevolver Fan :D

[@johnspencer626]

Thanks, for another great episode.

[@chipfission466]

Where should we go to view all your videos if KZbin decides to can your channel? I don't want to lose this series.

[@xsStudios]

I almost picked one up on Sunday; Thanks for the heads up. (Definitely a great wallhanger!)

[@matchesburn]

4:32 *_WAR WERE DECLARED!_*

[@beefcakes27]

Great description of your issues...

[@schutztruppe]

I loaded about 17g from about 30+g...and at 200 yards I was getting about a 8 inch grouping. Loved it!!!!!

[@Chilimacsupreme87]

I just ordered one of these, I’ve seen a few videos of these and Mae’s is the only one of seen with blow by

[@nicholasford4820]

Awesome video! I have one of these in surprisingly nice shape (no AOI brand, go figure) and the action, while still pretty nasty, is a lot smoother than yours seems to be. And to play devils advocate for the gun, I feel like even if the Italians were aware the conversion was marginal at best, they probably only expected them to last the duration of the war. And maybe that was all they figured they needed at the time.

[@flashdonat]

I have one that I had since 1966 the barrel looks like new inside and the bluing is almost perfect the action is very sloppy (loose) the wood looks a little better than the one in the video I only shot it one time (4 or 5 rounds) back in the 60s. I have several clips of original ammo. I was never confident that it was safe so I just put it away. I Think that might of been a good decision.

[@scipio10000]

The ' provvisorio' indicates that these were ad-hoc workshops set up by the state arsenals, probably attached to artillery establishments (Artiglieria) ...

[@michaelray4033]

The day after this came out, I was at Cabela's, and this was sitting on the rack. I couldn't believe it! I said "Hey! I know what that is!" I handled it, and put it back. The next day, it was gone. Not feeling guilty on passing it up. Later though, I thought I heard a distant explosion. Lol.

[@ESA221]

*Sleep is for reasonable individuals*

[@davidhansen5067]

The look of flabbergasted disgust on Mae's face at the thought of a Vetterli 15 and Reichsrevolver is a wonder to behold.

[@pilgrimm23]

You Guys so so so ROCK! I know this weapon. and others using the Vettali magazine conversion (Dutch Beaumont) it is cool. and Othias KNOWS HIS GUNS. Ian..and Othias. thats all anyone needs to know. They say it.......... it IS Nuff said

[@pilgrimm23]

vitali? These Euro names........

[@IvanBerry-zi9is]

I have a M87 Vetterli that is still in the rimfire condition . Has the Bern marking and is in great shape with the leather sling . Still has lots of rifling in it . I also have a box of Remington 41 Swiss cartridges , minus one. I am thinking about selling it or trading for some other rifle.

[@demilembias2527]

I'm not a legit gun nut but I like this era of history and the aesthetic of bolt action rifles, so I mostly judge an old rifle on how much I like its, well, bolt. And this rifle has a very nice one, its really cool for some reason.

[@sandders9634]

just out of curiosity what powder did you use? I wonder if that possibly contributed to the failures of the rifle. Considering black powder rounds in weak actions like the Trapdoor Springfield can still be safely shot with smokeless.

[@copee3]

I’ve shot mine with IMR 3031 without incident

[@lstevens2834]

I did occasionally entertain the idea of shooting mine but have decided to leave it hanging on the wall. glad none of you were hurt. It hangs opposing my Nepalese Gehendra. Another gun I will not shoot. They do look cool up there though. Thanks for another great video.

[@canicheenrage]

"Non sei un soldato italiano !" If you had done your research, you'd have known the safety of the Vetterli-Carcano was the inspiration for the Lawgiver's.

[@kraggman]

Thanks for this video. Was looking at one of these. Now I think I'll move on to something safer.

[@boywhohasl1vedhascometodie469]

Lol. Same here my man.

[@willcaputo1]

Mae, you've got bigger balls than most people I know.

[@Letard710]

Have you considered using Trailboss? Can have full case capacity and very low pressure and low velocity.

[@samiam619]

One thing I would like to see that shouldn’t add to your expense of these videos, adding the point of aim Mae is holding to see how well she is aiming. Thanks love the history lesson.

[@timblack6422]

I’m looking at one of these at the moment.. gotta think on it for a while more

[@wilp8074]

I have to ask you folks if the rifles you had trouble with were completely disassembled, inspected, cleaned and reassembled by an experienced antique firearm enthusiast or gunsmith BEFORE loading / firing them? At first glance, the examples you display are in dismal condition and should be treated as such.

[@eVVigilance]

I want to get one of these, and load black powder 6.5 carcano. Did you guys chrono the loads? I'm curious how fast those 50% loads were going.

[@Operator_Inquiries]

I shoot a .263 156gr soft point round nose with 20gr of imr 4895 out of mine at around 1800-1900 fps.

[@Operator_Inquiries]

keep in mind that the standard 6.5 carcanno is .268" and the .263" is from 6.5 arisaka. I went undersized to reduce pressure and reduce the chance of a squib. it still stabilizes and shoot decent groups for what the rifle is.

[@TreeWizard648]

I have had serious pressure spikes with .268 bullets, which is why I stopped using them. I am thinking about getting a 6.5 Italian Vetterli, but I need to make sure I can find a proper load first. According to my quick calculations, 30,000 psi should be the limit for the action for a 6.5x52 case (Normal Carcano operating pressure is over 40,000 psi). I would like to develop a plinking load using commonly available 140 grain bullets.

[@GunFunZS]

TreeWizard648 why not cast and powder coat?

[@StrimClocks]

Mae sounded so happy to shoot this weapon

[@hvymtal8566]

I was seriously expecting a pair of ESS goggles, a flak jacket, and an M1 helmet for the shooting session XD

[@neutronalchemist3241]

In defence of long, heavy rifles, like this, the Ross or the Lebel, WWI rifles were almost never fired while standing. They were almost always leaned on the edge of a trench, or fired while prone.

[@Grimmtoof]

'This is my boomstick, which might actually go boom!

[@mcfontaine]

That must be a good hit rate, it took till episode 72 for an old bang bang stick to go BANG!

[@danielhyson6079]

So Mae, which would you rather take into battle:(A) An 1886 Lebel(B) the Pederson Device (have to use the Pederson Device, can't use it as a normal rifle)(C) Vetterli 70/87/15(D) Reichsrevolver 1879

[@deepbludreams]

if it was a new production Pederson device on a brand new 1903 rifle, that would be one hell of a trench clearing rifle, from all reports they where reliable, not so much some 100+ years later.

[@maewinchester2030]

A. At least it worked, decent amount of rounds, solid cartridge, and didn't try to kill me.

[@Karvainenrotta]

Can't wait for your finnish pronunciation. Keep up the good work folks!

[@daskriegsman7013]

Just bought one of these at an auction today for $90. Kind of scared to shoot it now.

[@JohnDoe-nf7up]

So did ya shoot it

[@daskriegsman7013]

@@JohnDoe-nf7up No, it's a wall gun now.

[@theeggman1199]

@@daskriegsman7013 are you gonna get it checked out by a Smith to even see if its shootable?

[@daskriegsman7013]

@@theeggman1199 Maybe

[@Samuel070793]

4:34 The earliest "War Were Declared" of the Series.

[@robertking3825]

Would a safe alternative be loading this 6.5 in black powder? I am re barreling one now and want to shoot it before I hang it on the wall.

[@eugeniobb]

superb video as usual, one very little remark: "Carcano" has the accent on the first "a" keep going!

[@treyriver5676]

Cast lead with trail boss If shooting it is absolutely needed.. might be good, the reasons shown is why I passed on this rifle

[@cipherthedemonlord8057]

I put 4 rounds through mine but stopped after I saw that the bolt was leaving a ring and dent around the primer. Still beautiful gun and worth it if cheap. Mine still has bluing on the barrel.

[@hockeytownluv2012]

Oh goody another great video

[@conradswadling8495]

thanks

[@ScottRuggels]

Please don't get hurt, May. I don't think there are ancient refurbs like this any more, unless they did this for the Russian Berdan, or Japanese last ditch Type 99s, but please be careful anyway.

[@robertl6196]

28:00 Holy Potato Digger!That means you'll be doing an episode on the Colt Potato Digger, right?

[@cjcrow6186]

It's seems this gun isn't better than a stick.

[@jackkain7141]

Sticks are less liable to explode.

[@sugarnads]

Jack Kain they suffer catastrophic separation however... Snapping in twain in other words

[@lordsummerisle87]

In which case you have doubled the number of weapons you have.

[@DLBBALL]

You guys have to remember these guns are over 100 years old... Of course they aren't going to function just as well as they did originally...