History of WWI Primer 017: German Gewehr 1888 "Commission Rifle" Documentary

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Othais and Mae delve into the story of this WWI classic. Complete with history, function, and live fire demonstration.
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German Gewehr 1888 "Commission Rifle"
Cartridge: 7.92x57mm
Capacity: 5 rnds
Length: 49"
weight: 8.5 lbs
Here we review Germany's first smokeless rifle, which would serve in a secondary role through WWI in Germany, and perhaps a more active role in the Ottoman Empire.
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[@maxheadspace2975]

Mauser was upset that Germany didn't ask for his help in designing a rifle or, even better, adopting a rifle of his design. In reality he was very fortunate that he was totaly uninvolved. If a rifle of his design had been adopted they would have very likely been made from the same materials. The bursting barrel problem would have destroyed Mauser's reputation world-wide and he would have been nothing more than a minor foot note in history.

[@Candrsenal]

+Max Headspace That is a strong possibility!

[@Danheron2]

@Saturn oh that’s a interesting opinion what don’t you like about it? Do you feel this way about all the Mauser rifles or just the 98?

[@totensiebush]

@Saturn what military rifle of the same era was superior? Obviously there were advances later, but a short rifle Mauser 98 (or hell, 93) with a rear aperture sight is hard to beat if we're talking bolt action military rifles.

[@Danheron2]

@Saturn I think something must have happened to it I don’t see any post

[@zagrosgh8641]

@@Candrsenal Please enable Persian subtitles for all your work.

[@611_hornet5]

"The Jews." That is some /pol/ level shit right there.

[@maewinchester2030]

+Francis Borek I was not expecting him to say that, burst out laughing on the first take.

[@611_hornet5]

That and the Spinal Tap reference were gold.

[@maewinchester2030]

+Francis Borek The man is an improv genius.

[@611_hornet5]

His fashion sense is also to be commended.

[@nindger4270]

"Until 1914, when I am EVER SO SORRY to report... " :D glorious, that part really cracked me up.

[@pshabino]

"cuz nuts to that guy!" FTW, gonna have to start using nuts as a curse more.... its not just for the ardenne in 44' anymore...

[@Candrsenal]

+MadMed I did a potty word.

[@XLesky]

+C&Rsenal Please feel free to add more period correct cursewords!

[@jordanwalsh1691]

Mauser specifically bad mouths the 88 Rifle on their website, haha. As if to say "that's what you get when you make the mistake of going to anyone but us". They are pretty harsh too: "Re-arming of Prussian troops with the new "88 Rifle" follows irrespective of costs and quality. Due to the numerous complaints and accidents, continuous improvements have to be implemented."

[@ZGryphon]

I kind of love that their marketing department thinks it still matters. That's the kind of dogged determination you just don't usually see in modern marketroids.

[@AntiAnathema]

But can it shoot .32 ACP?

[@exploatores]

+Geo Wu it´s not a pistol :)

[@mrsaturdaynightspecial3055]

+Exploatores Yes it can. I do it all the time. All you have to do is buy a 8mm to .32ACP cartridge adapter. Do a Google search. MCA Sports is one of the makers/sellers. I even shoot .32 ACP in my .300 Win. Mag.

[@exploatores]

Dean Cascio My awnser was More of a yoke as it has been a boat load of pistols in .32 APC.

[@clayronso3932]

Put a pistol grip on it for more authentic .32 feel.

[@mrsaturdaynightspecial3055]

;) 😀

[@clayronso3932]

Was the car Ok?

[@Candrsenal]

+Clay Ronso I hope so.

[@lovelybraintoaster164]

C&Rsenal waste of good petrol tbh

[@teharbitur7377]

"As far as the girth went with it, I didn't think it was that hard to handle at all" That's what she said. Sorry, I had to...

[@Candrsenal]

+Teh Arbitur Yes, she did say that.

[@maewinchester2030]

+Teh Arbitur Haha! I wondered if anyone would say anything.

[@nailbomb3006]

Yep there were a ton of double entendres in there, not to be confused with the Triple Entente...

[@lionsunofallah6239]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@TheDraco877]

I came looking for something like this.

[@WebertHest]

You pronounced Gewehr right. Sehr gut :)

[@maewinchester2030]

+WebertHest Danke!

[@hvymtal8566]

28:15 "When I am ever so sorry to report that he was run over by a car" :):):):):)

[@mcfontaine]

11 ... that's one more than 10. Nice quote man.

[@redram5150]

“Stealing proofed rifles back” is done by unscrupulous suppliers who, in order to continually push inferior quality product past inspectors, just send the same proven good units through over and over. I’m not saying these accusations were reasonable or accurate, but the tactic has been used elsewhere. My first exposure to this was the wire supplier for the suspension cables of Brooklyn Bridge. The manufacturer sent the same approved spool of cable through while Roebling used inferior cable to build the bridge. Apparently it was designed to be 8x stronger than necessary but because of this it’s 4x overbuilt.

[@Dapstart]

I'd actually never heard of that. It does seem like an odd tactic to take though, seeing as it would probably be easier to just bribe the inspector to approve less than quality goods. I suppose that's why not many apparently have heard of it...

[@georgewhitworth9742]

@@Dapstart That'd only work if the inspector takes bribes. If they demonstrate good moral character and don't though, I'd imagine one would get creative.

[@u-wot-n8]

Mae always looks so happy to be out shooting :D

[@Candrsenal]

+Nathan Barndt She looks sad when we put her back in the cage.

[@maewinchester2030]

+Nathan Barndt I am! Best job ever

[@maewinchester2030]

+C&Rsenal Watch your back....

[@thedrifter2790]

I’m surprised that once Mae got ahold of that 1891 she did not refuse to hand over her rifle and instead proclaim that the proletariate must be abolished and proceed to revolt.

[@gratefulguy4130]

@@Candrsenal yeah it's always sad to see them unhappy, but it's still necessary. Hopefully you've had time to train her to the point where it's no longer necessary but I understand that sometimes it's just not possible.

[@JonManProductions]

Going back to this episode, it's amazing to me that three of the four main derivatives mentioned at 16:00 have their own episodes now.

[@mrfancypanzer549]

"Archivist Georgy K. Zhukov" whaat!?

[@afwalker1921]

I once owned an 1890 example that had gone to the Turks, but never had the conejos to fire it. Frankly, it scared the fool out of me! Kudos to Mae for getting behind what can be questionable technology and letting rip! She's actually quite impressive!!!

[@afwalker1921]

I have better things to burn 8x57mm in...@@WhattAreYouSaying

[@BS-in4kb]

Thank you very much for that episode. Not totally butchering the names (Schlegelmilch was quite fine and is really improving), a very informative video aaaaaand funny. As I love sarcasm and irony, that "kinda" sidenote on "that guy who got run over by a car" was well implemented. Hell, this episode was good. And of course: Longer Vid + Part II = Awesome

[@Candrsenal]

+B S Glad to hear we're improving!

[@codyshi4743]

This rifle later lead to the Chinese copy of the Hangyang Type 88.

[@EDSKaR]

Mae is looking good and sassy. Othais made a Spinal Tap reference and we've got a two parter. Everything is awesome.

[@Candrsenal]

+EDSKaR yay!

[@maewinchester2030]

+EDSKaR I'm the most sass!

[@EDSKaR]

C&Rsenal Mae Guns And a response from both The Sass and The Beard. DAY MADE! Looking forward to part two for the, what will it be, the G98?

[@maewinchester2030]

EDSKaR Hey no spoilers!

[@EDSKaR]

Mae Guns Sorry, I thought you knew?

[@jimmyvee2001]

Just found you guys through Indy. Subd immediately. Keep up this fantastic stuff.

[@Candrsenal]

+Jimmy Vee Thanks!

[@taofledermaus]

aha! I knew you got a HS cam!! Can you say what it is?

[@Candrsenal]

+TAOFLEDERMAUS NEVER. But email me.

[@maewinchester2030]

+C&Rsenal Lol

[@Aussie50]

+TAOFLEDERMAUS good to see you here Jeff :D. between C&Rsenal and Forgotten Weapons, I never run out of old gun history vids :D

[@BleedingUranium]

It's a shame this didn't work out better, easily one of the coolest looking rifles of the era (that trigger guard area especially).

[@terryyocumiii9645]

I love this episode, because it turned me on to the channel, because around this time I bought a GEW 88, and needed to KZbin some break down vids. I already was aware of the rifle from a gun magazine article, I fell in love. So when I saw a Bavarian one at the gun show at the hampton collesium in VA, I bought the shit out of it. I paid 350 bones. And I do love the thing

[@Loutral]

The "French spies" part around 14:10 is actually funny because i think Daudeteau was developing in parallel its own particular magazine system between 1884 & 1885. System he later incorporated in its Daudeteau Rifle (not the 1895 "Dovitiis" one). I think this rifle never landed any contract (even in France) except one with Republic of El Salvador (up to 10k rifles + 5k carbines sold). I can put the source but it's in French : armesfrancaises.free.fr/FR%20Daudeteau%20cal%208%20mm.html

[@Candrsenal]

He must have had some sort of terrible personality or something to be so frequently ignored in that era

[@simonp347]

No mention about Chinese adopted the same model, and kept producing them up to the 1940s?

[@anthonyhayes1267]

I've been trying to find out if they updated them to spitzer. Would you happen to know?

[@sirboomsalot4902]

Those were after WW1

[@corditechewer]

@@sirboomsalot4902 the Hanyang 88 was first produced in 1895

[@bbainter7880]

Loving the show guys! One thing I noticed....you are not afraid to shoot these old warhorses. Probably a lot of collectors fingering their prayer beads everytime Mae pulls the trigger.....I say to hell with those guys. Show us how they actually shoot. If our ancestors had the balls to pull the trigger, no reason no to now. Keep up the good work. BTW how do I give more money to get secret insider videos?

[@Candrsenal]

+B Bainter There aren't a lot of behind the scenes yet but we're trying to make more. Just check out our Patreon page! www.patreon.com/CandRsenal?ty=h

[@Gunnut357mag]

I agree with the clip issue. I have one original 88 and an 88/05. I have two original clips on 6 repops. The original feed like butter at the edges are much smoother and the catch for the rims in the clips is more rounded and less pronounced than the repops. I have had to heavily sand and modify the repops to get any reliability out of them but they work okay now. Still nothing close to the original though.

[@Candrsenal]

+Gunnut357mag Quick, loan us an original!

[@jhb9526]

+Gunnut357mag Agreed, I have an 1890 Spandau G88 with original roundnose ammo and clip from the 1930's and it feeds like butter. Never shot it though, wall hanger since I don't trust something that old.

[@TreeWizard648]

+John Pimley My brother owns an 1890 Loewe G88 that is S marked and en bloc loading. The repro clip had to be modified in order to work properly (The lips on the front just have the be flattened). The rifle also has a near perfect bore and can shoot 1 - 2 inch groups at 100 yards with handloads.

[@Gunnut357mag]

+C&Rsenal I would be happy yo, I just have to get it back from a gentleman who's affiliated with the great war association. I loaned him the originals so he could devise a better way to make working repro clips. he also has one of my italian 10.4mm vetterli clips he is going to make repro of.

[@danieltaylor5542]

Thanks for the video. Love the new haircut Mae.

[@maewinchester2030]

+Daniel Taylor Thanks! It was time for a change.

[@ThePlaceCannel]

I love this channel more and more with each episode and collaboration with the Great War. Keep it up the excellent work

[@Candrsenal]

+ThePlaceChannel K!

[@VintageLJ]

I'm so Jealous. Here in the UK, it's pretty much impossible to get your hands on a weapon, though luckily I think anything made at least 100 years ago counts as an antique, so I may be able to get an antique licence.

[@Candrsenal]

+VintageLJ These are ALL antiques!

[@mattbartholomew5707]

+VintageLJ There is an obsolete calibre list that any gun chambered for those rounds will not require a license and would be treated as a deactivated firearm even if it's fully operational. There is no such thing as an antique firearms license if the calibre it's chambered for is not considered obsolete by the government it would require a license.

[@austinm.9832]

@@mattbartholomew5707 yeah, they won't let you own a vickers gun.

[@vitkriklan2633]

It sure feels good when only the state controled army and police bear arms. "For your protection", you know.

[@ArcticTemper]

YES! :D Can you do the '71 next?

[@Candrsenal]

+ArcticTemper Not next... but soon enough

[@Aussie50]

Admittedly I have been a bit slow getting into your vids, but I am loving them so far!, very cool series!, and I especially love a long one since i can play it while I make dinner or get ready for work :D Keep up the good work! -An Aussie shooter and military bolt gun fan.

[@Candrsenal]

+Aussie50 Glad to hear it! We have several Aussies, you guys should start a club...and get added to a watch list.

[@Aussie50]

+C&Rsenal Haha, I got put on the watch list soon as I got my license application approved :p (police have to make sure your safe is securely bolted down, or too heavy to move easily) but there are a load of military rifle collectors clubs around the country, a range local to me does specific theme days, like WWI rifles for example (ever tried "the mad minuet" with a 303 SMLE?) given how many old military bolt actions are available here its definitely a club I will be joining in the near future!

[@Candrsenal]

Aussie50 Woo! Also I have and it is expensive.

[@stephenwoods4118]

The footage of Mae on the range is most enjoyable, she seems to be having a really good time.

[@maewinchester2030]

+Stephen Woods The 88 wasn't my favorite but I still enjoyed shooting it. It's always fun to try something new!

[@canicheenrage]

+Mae Guns Pictured Mae shooting a Flak 36, with the same smile. Awkward.

[@mattdickson2]

+canicheenrage now imagine Mae with a nice brand new reproduction 8mm lebel chautchaut. or a Vickers. or even better a Springfield '03

[@maewinchester2030]

Matt Dickson Hahaha! That would be awesome! Im going to have a hard time no laughing me ass off while shooting machine guns when we go on our trip.

[@stephenwoods4118]

+Mae Guns Have you ever fired a Krag? It has to be the slickest bolt action rifle ever.

[@frankperkin124]

Original clips make all the difference. I managed to find two of them for which I paid a king's ransom.

[@gark64]

36 minutes long, Nice. more long videos!

[@Candrsenal]

+gark64 I'm doing it!

[@m2kr980]

Another great video, I'm so glad a found you guys. And Mae is a fox :-)

[@Candrsenal]

+M2K R wooop!

[@maewinchester2030]

+M2K R Thanks! I try. :)

[@andromidius]

I'm looking forward to potentially seeing videos covering WW2 era weapons, or maybe even Machine Guns. I imagine getting hold of some weapons is very difficult, though! Its also great seeing a whole bunch of 'lesser known' weapons and getting to know the history behind them.

[@banhammer7243]

I don't think there would be as many different types of guns as a lot of things had been standardised. WW1 was just a massive period of creation and innovation. But yeah WW2 weapons videos would be cool.

[@andromidius]

Maybe not quite as many but still quite a few! I mean on the American side there was the M1 Garand, M1 Carbine (which is actually a different gun entirely), BAR (updated from the 1918 version), M2 Browning, M3 Grease Gun, Thompson and various other pistols, machine guns etc. That's quite a lot already just from the Yanks (who didn't innovate/replace their weaponry as much as the Germans or Soviets)!

[@georgewhitworth9742]

@@banhammer7243 You'd be surprised, haha

[@andygardner9219]

+C&Rsenal Thanks! Ü I'm enjoying the videos immensely. I'm in the UK so I can't get my hands on stuff like this. I enjoy the back stories to these pieces of engineering. Eleven marks out of ten!

[@Candrsenal]

+Andy Gardner I think we need to start a club in every country or something because we get a lot of UK commenters who should go in sharesies!

[@JosipRadnik1]

My amp goes to 11 - all the others just go to 10 - mine goes to 11 - thats one more

[@podemosurss8316]

Interestingly, the Chinese licensed version of this rifle (Type 88 Hanyang) was used until WW2.

[@fhsreelfilms]

The haircut's looking good, Mae! Thanks for another great video. I had no idea this rifle had such a colorful history.

[@111dogon555]

Wish you guys had more subs. love the channel and the history you guys teach. keep it up! ps Mae looks really cute with short hair :)

[@Candrsenal]

+111dogon555 d'aww thanks! You can always tell others about us...

[@maewinchester2030]

+111dogon555 Thanks! It was time for a change.

[@devilforrest8745]

Awsome episode as always but you forgot to mention that part of the reason that the barrels popped on the Danzigs was because they were Misfits ;)

[@Candrsenal]

+devilforrest87 stahp

[@TreeWizard648]

+devilforrest87 LOL

[@ThePerfectRed]

"On that happy note" I laughed.

[@611_hornet5]

So about that wacky situation with Steyr. With what happened between Steyr and the Germans over the Gew. 88, is that why Steyr was allowed to manufacture and sell the 98 Mauser to countries such as Chile, Colombia, and Mexico?

[@Candrsenal]

+Francis Borek The 98 was done on licensed production I believe, because it was developed by Mauser. So far I'm leaning towards Germany not having patented the 88. But, again, nothing definitive has floated my way yet.

[@mauzim]

Good video, as same. Like your both comments, Otis and Mae. But let me inclinate to Mae. ;-)

[@maewinchester2030]

+mauzim D'aw thanks!

[@williamprince1114]

You continue to set a high standard for scholastic work and watchabilty.

[@Candrsenal]

+William Prince do what now?

[@williamprince1114]

+C&Rsenal Well since you asked......how about a look at .22 rimfire training rifles? Maybe after you complete your current WWI work is done.

[@Candrsenal]

William Prince Absolutely!

[@williemartinez6110]

To me the chinese hanyang 88 rifle is the best

[@madirishman9461]

I know I'm late, and I know I'm nitpicking, but just at a cursory glance at Wikipedia.... shouldn't the cartridge be noted as Patrone 88/ M/88? or is there a detail i'm missing and you can load the pointed 7.92x57mm into the commission rifle?

[@cadorna380]

Nice work!

[@Candrsenal]

+Crossington I'm in chat. Come see a thing.

[@resonancebarracuda478]

I'm referring to 1886 as the "French Scare" because every major power freaked out over them when they developed their own modern rifles with balckpowder cartridges and had to hurry their rifle designs. I mean the Germans had the 71/84, the Austrians had their Mannlicher 1886 and the Ottomans are now ordering Mauser's M1887. Then the French just had to jump scare them and they freaked out. The Germans had to make this and had to anger Paul Mauser, the Austrians had to make do with compressed black powder in the mean time and the Ottomans had to cut down their orders on the Mauser M1887.

[@phatcowboy76]

Love the high speed (slo mo) video at the end. New video camera? Keep up the good work.

[@maewinchester2030]

+phatcowboy76 Yup! Just got it in and couldn't wait to test it.

[@kkloikok]

11 = 10 + 1. Got it.

[@cyclecamp1]

I know this is an old episode, but I recently acquired an 88/14 and so was doing some background watching. The captioning errors on this video are hilarious.

[@jbc98k]

I'll get some original clips for testing, it is a smooth rifle if used with good clips. I've never tried the repros but I know from friends with matching rifles and original clips they work well.

[@Candrsenal]

+dietchode do it

[@stephanblasner4728]

Regarding the feeding problems, I wonder wether the cartridge might be responsible. Othias always talks about the "8mm Mauser" But this cartridge saw quite a few changes especially with the introduction of the spitzer bullet, which was slightly wider. So if you use todays 8x57 cartridges, with a 88 lead bullet of the proper diameter, but without a complete recalibration, vou might be able to feed them,, but this will not be as smooth as with the proper brass.

[@digilyd]

Also, you do ask for feedback mind ya, when you show an image of someone then put the name below, this because names sometimes spell in funny and unexpected different ways that pronounce similarly.

[@ShutUpBubi]

God bless you brother Ewald I know you carried one.

[@jackandersen1262]

Could it be possible that Manlicher (the inventor) got payed instead of Steyr (the patent holder), and that is what caused the upset over the magazine usage? The Italians payed Steyr for the rights to use the en bloc clip for the Carcano rifle, and no problems arose after that.

[@heinrichgoebbers2234]

I like your archivist's sence of humor. Wiki even has an article about the guy: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgy_Zhukov

[@BikerJim74]

I've been looking forward to this one.

[@Candrsenal]

+Biker Jim How did it go?

[@danm7298]

watched 5 28 22

[@kirkmooneyham]

I think this rifle is interesting because it showcased the problems with allowing a commission to design something. There was a certain British aircraft many decades later that never got produced because there were too many people with too many inputs about how the thing should look, features, etc. Better to have a small, dedicated design team of talented people with someone who can "ride herd" on them and keep them focused.

[@puppetguy8726]

28:23 He ran into my car, he ran into my car 10 times! If you'd have been there, if you'd have seen it, I bet that you would have done the same! 😄

[@app4902]

I have one made in 1889 by Amberg. It’s number like 2500. I think it’s super cool

[@PieterBreda]

brilliant as usual

[@Candrsenal]

+Pieter Batenburg thanks!

[@INFANTRYLIKEME]

I wonder if that powder is kind of what happenned to Kentucky Ballistics a few months back with those SLAP rounds.

[@kenweiss7913]

The close caption on this video is profoundly bad, lol. I am watching these silently so as not to bother the family watching a movie. The text really obscures your presentation.

[@pyrrhusofepirus3792]

I really think my girlfriend's dad has this rifle it looks really similar.

[@Candrsenal]

+knifeguy Ask him. Brownie points!

[@juanstebanpalominourrea6588]

I have a ecuadorian gew 88 and its a steyr 1894 very Nice and rare have the original .318 bore

[@samhouston1288]

Man, I hope he didn't damage that car too much when it ran him over.

[@rory4.63]

where can i find the m88 ammo for these. my commission rifle was made in 1890 but never underwent the conversion.

[@yuanmingtan6501]

Could you tell me when this barrel manufactured? I cannot clearly see the mark.

[@sfwh4543]

Given that you said that Mauser was not consulted on the production of this rifle was the round known as the 7.92x57mm Mauser? Or was it not until the Spitzer came along that it got that name?

[@Candrsenal]

+mrsamhood 7.92 became known as "Mauser" through associations in the surplus collecting world more than from the military. From official perspectives the cartridge was whatever model year for that load data or if it had any special characteristics like SmK ammo

[@grenmoyo3968]

I think we need to see a C&Rsenal twist on the Mosin-Nagant

[@Candrsenal]

+Gren Moyo Soon enough!

[@Dithyrambos-h5e]

Othais: I recall reading that the G88, despite using the same caliber as the later Kar 98k, couldn't use the more modern rifle's higher velocity rounds because it wasn't built to withstand the pressures necessary. Any truth to that?

[@Candrsenal]

+Matt L Structurally it can handle it, although the chamber starts to bind. We'll have more on that in 2 weeks.

[@stevendolloff]

If it's so bad why did the Chinese make millions of copies of it?

[@evandaire1449]

Whose idea was it to copper jacket bullets? It seems like all the firearms just suddenly got jacketed ammo somewhere in the 1880s or 90s but who developed the first one?

[@Candrsenal]

+Evan Daire A number of people were working concurrently so it would take me some faitr research to find a likely first. However most writers credit the Swiss headed by Eduard Rubin for the jacketed small bore bullet

[@poop-for-brains]

I love the depths that antisemites go to in order to create conspiracies. Thanks for sharing that bit of the story!

[@Candrsenal]

+SteamPoweredRudeBoy He was real worried about it.

[@23GreyFox]

@@skabbigkossa Oh look, a commie.

[@Legitpenguins99]

@@23GreyFox not everyone that doesn't hate Jews is a communist. You have a extremely simplistic world view

[@23GreyFox]

@@Legitpenguins99 Same to you.

[@larrykenyon2528]

david noone Haters will hate.

[@tjaxe]

Thanks for covering the anti-Semitic crap that was slung against this rifle’s manufacturers. Covering those aspects of history is just one of the reasons I love your series.

[@avian68tb]

The funny part is the government sent that dude to prison.

[@kl-nc4gy]

Thank you for doing this, along with your other videos so far. I very much enjoy the Commission 1888 rifle, and this is good information for those who might be interested in picking one up, as there are a lot still out there. The various updates and receiver markings can be confusing for someone new to the 1888 rifle, but you did well to cover most of what is encountered, so great job! When you get to the Austrian firearms, I've got you covered if there is anything you don't have an example of.

[@Candrsenal]

+Ken Lindebrekke Do you have an 1886 in 11mm? We have an 88/90, 90 cavalry, 95 stutzen and long rifle in 8x50mmR. Hand loading is being difficult.

[@kl-nc4gy]

+C&Rsenal I only have the Portuguese contract 1886 steyr kropatschek, which is in 8mm. The 11mm rifle is rather hard to come by, and I would think all but phased out by WWI. I do have some original 8x50R cartridges that I could send you, but no guarantee on functionality, as they are 1935 vintage from Czechoslovakia.

[@Candrsenal]

Ken Lindebrekke We have some of those! We're using them to setup our reloads.

[@fdp9521]

I have often wondered, who,what made up this "commission"?

[@MrBioniclefan1]

LMAO I wish there are pictures of him after he was hit by a car.

[@harrybell5202]

The u.v.f bought many of these guns from germany just before ww1

[@ExSkitzophrenic]

Awesome as usual, guys. So is the plan to move onto WW2 weapons after the first? Or will you guys, after you've finished with the first, just change your names and live as goat herders in the northern Argentinian mountains for the rest of your days? (the former is preferable)

[@Candrsenal]

+The Cheshire Cat After WWI we will just sorta scatter the topics into whatever

[@011CJ]

I want to buy a few of these rifles that are in por shape I want at least 1 good one for the collection that I can shoot. the others can just sit there and look cool 😎 thanks for this vid 👍

[@arthurmilmore7685]

i bought mine in 1974 and have shot over 700 rounds through it. when it heats up the bullet drops about 1 inch at 250 yards. mine uses the newer ejectable stripper clips and the action is as smooth as butter all through firing. mine is danzig 1890. it only has an s at the top of the receiver and a beautiful walnut stock.. it has german ww1and ww2 unit markings as well as turkish markings. was bought through interarms,and still in beautiful condition art milmore

[@Candrsenal]

+Arthur Milmore Nice!

[@bradjohnson4787]

Nice, too bad our fascists can't be thrown in jail.

[@danielkorladis7869]

I feel like they should have at least asked Paul Mauser to be part of that commission.

[@thurin84]

excellent as always!!!!! so are you guys going to do the mp 18 (though i think i know the answer to that one)?

[@Candrsenal]

+milcoll73 As soon as we find one.

[@jyzow]

Comments for the Comment God! Engagement for the Engagement Throne!

[@Bayan1905]

I recently ran across an 1888 Commission Mauser that was taken aside by Eduard Kettner and turned into a custom stalking rifle, with a new barrel, but still has it in .318", and not .323" and I like the gun, but not sure how much I would trust it, knowing some of the issues. Of course, the Kettner guns are not simply sporterized, they were taken apart and completely redone, new barrel, double set triggers, better sights, but the bolt and the feeding system are exactly how it left whatever factory it came from since the stipling all over the top of the gun took over all the markings, the only thing left are the proofmarks on the left side of the chamber.

[@herrene05]

Thank you for this vey informative video on this rifle. I had one for over 15 years and stopped using it because couldn't find reliable info on the ammo to use and also because the action was not ejecting the spent shell. I will continue to watch your videos to learn more about in the future.

[@Candrsenal]

+Nelson Herrera Glad we were helpful!

[@TwentythreePER]

At 3:13 you say "a feature on his gun that was not adopted, they didn't care for it..." What feature did you mean?

[@Candrsenal]

Mieg's gun.

[@sharkfinbite]

Even back then the antisemetic conspiracy theorists were a pain in the behind. People ask what's wrong with people now and I always reply, "People always been going further down the drain. What you should be asking how should I counter this because nothing gets done complaining about it."

[@Lomi311]

Far from perfect in retrospect but sure beats the pants off a Lebelle!

[@amandahammond2691]

Hey you guys, I have an original 1888 Commission rifle with no marks for the new barrel profile, new steel, and I have no idea what the depth of the rifling is. I've been re-building it with the intent of firing it, but now I'm questioning whether that's possible. It's an 1891 Steyr. Any chance you guys might have some help?

[@Candrsenal]

+Mandy Hammond Well we listed off the relevant markings in this video but the best way to be sure is to slug the barrel. If you look it up online you basically force soft lead through and measure it out. Pop us an email if you can't find the bore measurements to compare against afterwards.

[@amandahammond2691]

Alright, awesome. I've been pretty proud of it because it lacks markings for most of the places that Germany sent rifles to, and just says "1891 Steyr" on the chamber hood. Seemed pretty unique to me.

[@bigandlittlefirearms8395]

Does it take glock extended mags

[@chasebh89]

"if you want the bolt out of this gun its as simple as pinch and pull, straight forward" no, straight backwards *canned laughter fills the room as i collapse on the floor in a seizure*

[@dbmail545]

Mae's hair looks nice. New stylist?

[@kainhall]

ya... i dont get people who act like the gun is always loaded. now, its GREAT habit to do that...but when you KNOW theirs no ammo with in 200000 feet.....how is the gun going to fire? the CRITICAL thing with fire arms....they need a round IN THE CHAMBER to fire.... and with no round in the chamber..... if someone hands me a gun, or i pick up one in a gun store (that also sells ammo) the first thing i do is make sure its chamber is clear. some ass might have stole a round from a box of ammo and stuck it in the chamber, but it have yet to see that happen personally. but once its clear, and everyone around you as also seens its clear.....YOUR FUCKING FINE