Cannoneer is Pay to Lose

[@Kipppppppppppp]

The canoneer is so underwhelming, but I think that's honestly a good thing, as us f2p's rlly don't need 1000 more confusing but important interactions regarding the canooner.

[@sfsplayer-kn1qi]

Yep

[@caaz270]

They’re gonna overbuff tf out of it for sure

[@suyashweeb]

I think they will reduce the cd

[@Pilosofia]

And me asking Supercell to add merge cards to make the game even more hard to master.

[@glitzyau5100]

Canooner

[@pete1320]

We need side by side princess vs cannoneer interactions on all troops please. Those older technical videos were so valuable.

[@kacpya3999]

Oj kinda fell off when he stopped that, his videos used to be so exciting and now it's all clickbait and boring content

[@fadhlanzaqwan3897]

​@@kacpya3999 cant really blame him when supercell introduce a lot less card than before

[@Lewwwci]

@@kacpya3999 he not clickbwating wdym

[@loneranger7271]

He lazy now

[@klockenberg2299]

@@fadhlanzaqwan3897 just general tips for newer cards like Little Prince

[@notachainlinkfence480]

Towers having different amounts of health feels weird and not in a good way. I don’t like that towers will be more/less vulnerable to spells

[@spacemans4060]

I agree, tower health should not be touched at all imo. Plus it makes sense considering it’s still kind of the same “tower”

[@JesManVP]

I agree

[@4GodSoLovedCR]

Agreed

[@yohanwk1164]

No

[@leonhardscholtyssek]

I also disagree

[@levelsofbrendan1167]

I really hope this tower is 5000+ trophies or newer players are gonna be waaay too confused.

[@KJMcLaws]

I think it unlocks when you get legendary cards at 3500. My wife just got there and it gave her a chest opening to reveal princess troops. But idk

[@ItsKralik]

You unlock it at arena 8 aka 2300 thropies

[@RogueEXE1]

@@KJMcLawsoff topic but that’s cute as hell that you play CR with your wife

[@pricemedlin5651]

I think it’s smart to introduce tower troops underpowered. Maybe they’ll learn from their mistakes

[@hoklam2013]

They introduce it underpowered so people can get used to the idea of having tower troops in the first place. When they do make it super OP it'll be too late and we'd already be playing in a new ecosystem where everybody has gotten used to the meta with tower troops.

[@vicmen216]

Still better than Evolutions introduction tho ​@@hoklam2013

[@PotitoDestroyer3000]

​@@hoklam2013 Fantastic take. Probably this will happen in the future

[@Pro_77raghav]

Ig they'll not release them underpowered. This might be the first & last one. After all, that's not good for a p2w game, they'll lose their bucks.

[@Pro_77raghav]

On top of that, if they release op tower troop, they're gonna put that on us that we wanted it.

[@rocketpajamas6969]

Seeing it struggle to destroy even the smallest of swarms was so sad So much of the card balance revolves around the princess tower that when you change that out it just completely breaks every interaction

[@ABoxIsMyHome]

Bruh it’s obviously weak with swarm and strong against giants that is the balance

[@expiredmilk5435]

​@@ABoxIsMyHomeIts not strong enough against tanks to justify how weak it is against swarms

[@kyleco9185]

@@expiredmilk5435 It melted tanks quite a lot though, it simply means decks using cannoneer would need to focus on cards effective against swarms instead of tanks.

[@expiredmilk5435]

@@kyleco9185 yeah but if you can't ignore something like goblins, its probably gonna cost you the game

[@kamadant7019]

@@expiredmilk5435 Then be in sync with your tower troop like you would be with any deck. This completely opens up new gameplay options more then any card does due to how many interactions could change.

[@gaidencastro9706]

I think the meta is better off with alternate tower troops being bad/situational.

[@340YT]

Most definitely, we dont want op tower troops making the game excessively defensive

[@tiagochalubmartinsconde2187]

Logbait gonna be lit

[@thecode327]

To start out. They should slowly buff them into the meta

[@freakfreak786]

situational? in which situation would you want to get destroyed by every card in the game?

[@LUCAS420BLZ]

Where's the content of the content is terrible

[@dorkprince.]

The knife thrower tower troop will be the opposite i think. She will probably does less damage but with faster attack speed.

[@Katec444]

???😂

[@Katec444]

wdym

[@dorkprince.]

@@Katec444 knife thrower might be the next tower troop according to some leaks.

[@dennisgoatimer1079]

Yea or whatever that thing at the end of Cannoneer trailer is called. Basically this is for tanks and that's for swarms sort of thing

[@spideygavin8763]

Yeah, just like xbow

[@swagjimmy]

It will probably be a lot worse against cards like goblin drill or barrel, and much better against heavier building targeting wincons. Bringing small swarms will be really good

[@bruhmanbro]

cant imagine witch

[@albireo2990]

@@bruhmanbrofireball it

[@swagjimmy]

wait will the skeletons outspawn the attack speed?@@bruhmanbro

[@fishing-for-kills]

Fire spirit building has left the chat

[@kamadant7019]

@@swagjimmyYep looks like it

[@tabdeugo]

Is it just me or does OJ’s tech videos feel more like a gameplay showcase than anything nowdays.

[@CasualCat64]

Just you

[@kurrygan]

Bc it is... lol

[@ShadxwKing1776]

Just you

[@bryanwells4063]

@@CasualCat64 no its not his vids are nowhere near as good as his old technical analysis videos

[@TrellShawn]

I feel like ever since he added other guy definitely.

[@mrdollyman5675]

The fact that offensive tombstone is even remotely viable against this says alot

[@SAIKA_SAN]

The thing the cannoneer is missing is the fact that it has 0 splash dmg (and obviously it shoots wayyyy too slow). Giving it some splash would greatly increase it's effectiveness against bigger groups and it fits with the cannon theme pretty well imo

[@natecousins6264]

my thoughts exactly

[@timelist1458]

Makes it too op then bro they will probably make another tower troop that does splash but less damage

[@charlesbaptiste6984]

Splash damage should do half the damage of the cannoneer

[@renator.bandarlipejr.2249]

Yep, it should be like firecracker once the main projectile is broken, some broken shell parts causes aoe dmg about 25% dmg of main projectile for every shot but the aoe should be small like smaller than lighting spells maybe 3by3 or 2by 2 tile is good

[@gamingfreak74]

the whole point of is that is does higher single target damage but is weaker against swarms and other low hp units

[@healgamingyt]

I think cannon carl is a better name for this excuse for a card

[@Dominus_Plays]

This isn’t brawl stars they don’t do that

[@SEVEN_FOUR]

P2L moment

[@martinvietor1912]

Canon carl😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@butter-bot2]

For real though

[@hsimahstaaw9559]

Yess❤❤❤😂😂

[@theoverseer393]

11:47 I think minipekka getting only 1 hit on the tower is absolutely something to talk about

[@defnotnaruto222]

I think its probably because the ice spirit hit it, but I'm too lazy to calculate the math for that

[@edotensei5083]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@defnotnaruto222i got you Cannoneer each hit = 422 Cannoneer hits 3 times = 422*3 -> 1266 Mini pekka health = 1361 Ice spirit dmg = 110 1361 - 1266 = 95 Yea you’re right, it’s because the help of ice spirit :(

[@Cachace]

But without the IceSpirit it would hit twice

[@ViaticPlays]

​@@edotensei5083BIG BRAIN

[@brooksdana-uw3xd]

I feel if the cannoner had a little bit of splash damage, a slightly faster hit rate, and more health it would be pretty useful

[@thejizzingsupersigma]

splash is legit all it needs, it does hella damage

[@freezeguy1295]

@@thejizzingsupersigmasplash would be way to op it already has more dmg and range than princess depending on situation all it needs is a faster hit rate to like 2 not 2.4

[@rascalpel6914]

no that’ll be too op

[@rainbowstar6488]

​​@@thejizzingsupersigma I agree, but the splash should be minimize. Like Royal Ghost splash.

[@vlrginizer927]

@@freezeguy1295 it has smaller range than the princess. Give it a little splash like probably 0.5 tiles will be good enough to balance it

[@frusw]

your actual deck can compensate varingly for the weaknesses of the cannoneer meaning the meta could change in spite of the minor card interactions

[@potatosalad4594]

Can’t wait for this game to be even more matchup dependent!

[@znc_1449]

I can’t wait 🎉

[@lucasmoreno2154]

I really wish it had the same HP as the princess tower tbh. The lack of HP really puts a doubt on its advantages. If it were to keep the smaller HP, maybe it would be better if it had a small splash damage with a very tiny radius, just enough to make it less vulnerable.

[@bouyfriend4983]

I think it need maybe a very tiny splash damage

[@Player_ButWorse_AndBetter]

Even the tiniest bit of splash damage would completely erradicate skarmy, minion horde, goblin gang, barbarians, and more cards out of the meta, but yeah, makes sense.

[@tiagochalubmartinsconde2187]

Unless it couldn't kill skeletons with the splash

[@NoHappyBeSad]

Beep Bop....... *BAP?* ❓ ?

[@imtiazzmurshed3965]

@@Player_ButWorse_AndBetter the splash damage could be like 1/4th of the canon shot and not 1 hit kill swarmies

[@IWuvMSM]

Rip Bomb Tower

[@levelsofbrendan1167]

Gotta love how skelies can be used to cycle at the bridge but now spirits cant

[@x3non616]

I think the thing is is that decks right now were built with the princess tower in mind, the cannoneer tower will likely require certain decks to adapt to it, for example. decks with cannoneer might rely more on splash units. Perhaps this might be the meta where wizard is playable. Time will tell. Does need a health buff though.

[@randomaccount3828]

Imagine if they add a tower card just like the towers in "timeless towers" where it heals quite fast so you cant do cycle deck, but it attacks slow and doesnt really do much damage to compensate on regeneration

[@fos1451]

Or maybe just a wall who did no damage just like the vault but has 3x the HP of a princess tower

[@RodhiShartedHarded]

Dude beefy tower troops would be insane

[@SebastianDrower]

That’s way to OP I’d say it would be better if it regend a bit of HP each second, the higher HP, the faster regen, and it still has bad damage

[@ywoisug8845]

I don't like the idea of having 3627 towers with different hps

[@ABoxIsMyHome]

You mean two towers?

[@hallowedknight234]

He means 3627

[@ABoxIsMyHome]

@@hallowedknight234 why 💀

[@theblueberrypi6152]

What I think this tower troop is a little bit of AOE damage. Maybe make it so that it two-shot a skeleton with its aoe to compensate for the attack speed

[@tyhqo7654]

Cannonear looks like it's just going to be good in splash yard and hogexnado

[@imsocentral2872]

It’s like you can’t really say the Cannoneer is bad when the Princess tower is weak to what the Cannoneer is strong to, the Cannoneer can’t do anything against skeletons while they can destroy a Mini Pekka while it’s the opposite for princess tower

[@jokerkirby7051]

Remember they had SO much faith in this card that they completely overhauled the UI and added tower troop cards and chests

[@eyeslanderer]

LMAO COMPLETELY TRUE

[@UpdateFreak33]

A cool tower troop would be a tower without anything on it, but it has way more health. Kinda like a heist safe

[@ThunderShock7]

That would be absolutely terrible

[@majr2808]

You're kidding, right??

[@GergTheSurpreme]

It would need like 6k health the be good

[@Weed.eater_]

Dat is a terrible idea. Someone could drop high dps low health troops n jus demolish ur tower if ur out of elixir.

[@verysb]

That’s a bad idea. However, what if, it is sth like an electro giant with reflecting damage, maybe it would work

[@ItzYoBoi_Goji]

Clash royale never fails to ignore the community

[@DomusNebula]

I feel like the tower should do a tiny bit of splash, just because of the slow attack speed and lesser health you can get overwhelmed extremely fast

[@SlasherTheMod]

I genuinely assumed the Canoneer would've had splash damage.

[@thorveim1174]

the issue is, the most threatening deck out there are cycling decks that dont use a big rank. Against the current meta pushed by evos, cannoneer is pretty much worthless. That, and shooting so slowly EVEN A TOMBSTONE IS A THREAT TO IT

[@hahahaj22]

It needs to deal a bit of splash damage I think or else you can't win against swarms like graveyard or logbait

[@GoldenDashDude]

A slight splash radius would be a reasonable buff with its speed

[@tpfoxCastro]

It does not need splash damage. If it gets splash it becomes broken. Even the smallest amount of splash will already destroy skarmy, barbarians, goblins, goblin gang and minion horde. Also, splash would not solve the goblin barrel and graveyard problem. They should buff it's hp instead so it has the same amount of health as the princess tower. Yes, it's much worst against swarms, but it's also much better agaisn't tanks

[@emionthemix]

The next tower troop is the one who has splash damage. Not this one.

[@theblueberrypi6152]

2:29 “I thought the king is gonna be a cannon too” --OJ 2023

[@YourBestBudFlowey]

I think a bit of splash damage & the same health as the princess (maybe a bit more) will make the cannoneer viable.

[@JimmyKim-fb1ji]

Hell nah

[@nolimit606]

Make it do less damage than the archer tower then 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@AlexBurlamacchi]

Exactly

[@dennisgoatimer1079]

​@@nolimit606it has less range then the Princess tower sooo

[@Nobody-1409]

Why doesn't the canoneer just splash

[@sajeedkhan2168]

Too op

[@Im_him00]

@@sajeedkhan2168dagger dutches exists

[@tuna9249]

At this point it seems that they made the valk so anti-graveyard cuz it will be meta once cannoneer is actually appointed by players

[@Jorden14]

8:02 “Spirit Goblins”

[@scentedlips]

Less health and slower attack speed doesn’t compensate for just a bit more damage.. it needs a buff to either of those stats if not both or it should splash

[@boneless70]

As a log bait player, this is the best update they made in a long time and im definitely not biases

[@iamjustaguy5484]

What it needs is either very slightly faster attack speed or the same kind of splash like skeleton dragons or witch

[@zabo9160]

Nah i think its gonna be pretty decent if you know what you're doing, a lot of the situations they were shocked a cannoneer couldn't handle a princess tower wouldn't be able to handle either.

[@Leonardo-mg9le]

I think it'll be actually prety good in decks with good cycle like log bait

[@FraZzJ]

Canonier is a "Tank" with less HP and zero defense. Mf dies to Tombstone. This must be a troll.

[@zoden6305]

This update shouldn’t be a thing in the first place, makes match ups way more luck based and honestly I think princess tower power ups or different types of arrows would be better than changing her as a whole

[@teslapanda1412]

Adding more cards make the game more luck based

[@KkAsto]

In the end of the day these tower troops are gonna be deck dependent, if you’re running a deck with cheap swarm killers or even swarms then the cannoneer isn’t all that bad since you won’t worry about other swarms too much, but you’re running a more “tanky” deck then the cannoneer isn’t a good choice since it can’t kill swarmy cards.

[@bielmfig4534]

Tower troops are now situational, i hope they make the next ones like this, canooner is for tanks, princess is for low hp/multiple troops

[@alfonswhuytc]

I feel like it would be an okay card if attack speed was reduced and health was increased, when you upgraded the card.

[@leowang8780]

nah im leaving, Im not learning a million new interactions all over again

[@carzel3883]

They should completely change his mechanic and do damage same for the single target damage but after the shot landed it gets an area dmg that is lower than the single target. The area dmg should be able to kill skeletons at the least.

[@bentheherper]

Lower tower health makes this so much worse

[@Raven-hn5iq]

Graveyard will be overpowered against those towers

[@gibbono]

I think it needs splash dmg tbh, but the splash dmg should do less than the single target hit so that its slow attack speed weakness isn’t completely negated

[@minezgamer0078]

Agreeed, if the splash is like Witch or Wiz, it'll be OP.

[@I_love_space.]

1:07 that cut when he did the lightning made me laugh for some reason lol

[@joshlonghurst3846]

Give it buff. Make it do splash damage

[@Shotgundude1]

I think bomb tower would be the best combo with this new unit, as it’s high hp allows for more shots from the cannoneer while the splash damage means that swarms are less of a problem

[@AirConsGaming]

As a player who uses goblin barrel, I see this as an absolute win

[@piepiece4952]

I really dislike the cannon guys shooting animation. The cannon ball he shots comes from above the cannon and not from within the cannon.

[@FerraraPasuqlaw]

In my opinion, the tower isn't that bad, It's just the opposite of the princess tower, you need to defend to little little weak units a bit more and tanks/mini tanks defend a bit less, i think just skeletons could kill a full hp pekka with that tower troop, deadass, for my deck could be really helpfull

[@teslapanda1412]

Skeleton can kill it without worrying about placement

[@bacjoel5668]

yea you just need to put splash damage cards to support the cannoneer what wrong with this people in the comment

[@FerraraPasuqlaw]

@@bacjoel5668 that's what i am saying, he might be really usefull for some certain decks

[@ralphthefrog3086]

This looks like it will be good in lavaloon, as it seems I can ignore an entire e giant

[@Zen-nt4bs]

A good buff would be giving him a splash attack to compensate for his low attack speed. If not maybe give him 15-20% more hp than the original princess tower

[@xsad7250]

Yea that’s what I was thinking splash damage to counter spam

[@punimarudogaman]

maybe cannon balls should spread some splash damage, no ?

[@gaidencastro9706]

Can you please make updated tech videos for the troops and these towers?

[@rat597]

2:25 "I thought the king would be a cannon too." OJ- 2023

[@_Abdulziz506]

I thought the cannon tower does splash to compensate for the slow attack speed but I get it, high damage and splash but slow (a Sparky basically) is kinda OP

[@dorkprince.]

Y'all are missing a point here 😅 if a tower troop has less HP then there is a possibility of one with more HP, right? At that point wouldn't it itself be the selling point? Imagine having a golem tower troop with 7000 HPs and getting away with making a crap ton of mistakes and losing over 3k HPs but still manages to win in tiebreaker. THE ULTIMATE P2W EXPERIENCE.

[@mman6564]

I think that it looks ok. It would be interesting for supecell to finally make a situational card/balance instead of going "welp, its underwhelming. Buff it until it is a better option than everything else that is available"

[@The_CollectorTOHedits]

They should’ve given him *MORE* health then the Princess

[@opughdyang8264]

I think they should double down on the tank busting part of the kit and make his hits do % HP damage

[@Dutchempireball]

That would make swarms even more op

[@porkoutofmeth]

% hp is NEVER the solution

[@dirtspritestuff5850]

Tombstone wrecks this thing.

[@waynelu8863]

That might be the worst idea I've heard in years

[@YourBestBudFlowey]

Percent based damage is never a good idea.

[@arnoldbootsy907]

I feel like a buff could be it dealing splash damage. It feels like it should do a small splash like maybe 2x2 tiles like witch.

[@arnoldbootsy907]

Just got to the part where shane suggested this lol

[@TMDPickler74]

I feel like they should make it splash a bit. This might help with swarms

[@Joe-yu6ih]

I recon a very small splash would be good, something that only actually does aoe if two troops are right next to each other

[@marion4097]

Goblin barrel would be op

[@Lucky1252_]

Holy shit you’re right

[@KkAsto]

1:10 “OH BUT THE MOUNK”

[@CyrusShameliOfficial]

The Cannoneer is pretty underwhelming

[@ehsanrafi5252]

I think canoneer needs some splash damage with a little bit of more HP. To deal with swarm and shit.

[@Thebestmrbob]

Goblin battle and monk gonna be insane

[@52298datoyo]

I think it would be interesting to put something like this: slightly more range to be able to just negate princesses and dart goblins, and shoots twice as fast with 40% damage when troops come close It would create an interesting kite mechanic where you want to keep tanky units away from the tower to maximize dps, but swarmy units close to clear them fast, but not as fast as the princess tower

[@-TwT]

oj finally did it he threecrowned with evo skeletons

[@elemenoinc]

If u look at the family tree that clash royal showed I can see that there is one more hidden tower unit

[@JakeAK2477]

Little did OJ know that the king was a cannon before

[@tanghuluasdf]

I often think about some kind of 'Mother witch tower', which does significantly less damage and applies curse only at the third shot it does. For now, the way to get better elixir trades are just utilizing the arena tower and making proper counter-pushes with your remaining units. The hogs would make for a nice counter-push value, and also better swarm defense by the hogs tanking and drawing aggro. The downsides are obvious. Low damage would make it vulnerable to larger tanks, and all defensive interactions would be slower and riskier. The user may utilize their units to maximum to get extra value the normal tower cannot offer, which I think is a nice addition. Fix: some typo errors.

[@laisksjjsjs566]

Furnace needs a buff after this lol.

[@blackflame3127]

I think that the only way to make the cannoneer viable is to give it splash dmg or increased health, because if someone uses a spawner deck then you're basically screwed, you can't do anything about it unless u pair it up with bomb tower and log. But i also think it was smart of supercell to make it less overpowering so that they can buff it accordingly.

[@jedisnotfunny]

LMFAO theres no way i live in a world where 1 elixir skeletons at bridge can hit tower

[@frusw]

gonna feel like level 15 all over again with goofy interactions

[@shauryanegi6553]

I think the cannoneer should do splash damage. But that could be too op. So my idea is to make it deal more damage to the main target and less splash damage around it. For example: If a scarme is coming. The cannoneer would hit one skeleton and do some damage to the nearby skeletons in a short radius. And on the second hit kill the skeletons which were hit before.

[@Puiinguinn]

At 11:34 the cut off right after the rocket was so funny to me for no “raysen”

[@jenske2881]

less hitpoints is the dumbest thing ever tbh

[@harshitsinghbisht8044]

It just needs a lower damage and high splash damage area, or a similar functionality like the bowler, push back and phase through troops

[@GEDOHBLAZZTER]

"I thought the king was gonna be a cannon too"... but OJ... the king IS a cannon... 😂😂

[@Cheezy-dibbles]

I think the cannoneer should do a bit less damage, but can do a small amount of splash damage.

[@PotatoButRad]

This is actually insane, whole new level of interactions

[@DarkestMarlin74]

02:21 Regarding this I feel like they should keep the king but his tower weapon changes (kinda like the weaponised Town Halls) Obviously keep the cannon as default with it being whatever level your king tower is (changing weapon shouldn't lower your tower level, just the weapon level if it is different).

[@davidrojas4687]

Next update they will give an inferno multi to the king

[@DarkestMarlin74]

@@davidrojas4687 Giga inferno

[@nothingbutvoid]

I'd like to see a rework on this. Maybe giving it splash and faster hitspeed but significantly reducing its damage output. Or they could just buff its health (but still less than a princess tower) and hitspeed overall

[@shauryanegi6553]

In the trailer they did tease a dagger tower troup. I do think that one is going to be a faster attack speed but less dps.

[@ggcubing6746]

REWORK IDEA: Make it able to switch tower troops 2 times per game withit costing 1 or 1.5 elixer to switch between troops

[@leonel392]

No dear god

[@ggcubing6746]

@@leonel392 It's a hot take but this might be a challange yk

[@leonel392]

@@ggcubing6746That's the problem, it will make the game even more P2W

[@ggcubing6746]

@@leonel392indeed, but I mean as like a 12 win challange with a twist and this will be the twist

[@leonel392]

@@ggcubing6746That would be better, like a direct comparison of uses in a challenge, cool

[@chiragmehta3568]

Tbh making a deck around the canoneer can be a good way around as u dont need big tank counters and can focus on swarm counters in your deck

[@jonahh9128]

i think i little bit of splash so it can at least not take damage on sekeltons would make it usable but still not meta

[@Clowncentral4200]

Every other game: they are faster so they need less health. Clash royale: slow,low health =balanced