Canon R5 II: It's Not What You Think

Canon R5 II: Is ti Boring or is it Bold?
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0:00 Bold or boring?
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[@Galeidan]

I know they won't do it but I would love to see Canon R5X. True photographer's camera. 102 MP stacked sensor (options for 64 and 32 MP raw /jpeg sizes) 5 fps is enough good autofocus native ISO 50 up to 12800 rear screen like Sony A7RV and Panasonic S1H has IBIS dual card slots no video at all (leave it out for heat management and there's better video cameras already out there) full weather sealing R5 / R6 Mark II form factor (no R3 or R1) high res mode that records also RAW! 14 or 16 bit photos 9,44 M evf live comp, like what Olympus has

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

I don't think the ship has sailed on the high megapixel camera just yet...

[@mverick160]

@@OrdinaryFilmmaker It hasn't sailed. But the writing is on the wall they don't really care about that area and you're a last ditch effort to them. The Only brand without a flagship model. No high MP model. What exactly would they be considered best at? Nothing. They rested on the R5. They should have kept pushing.

[@michael_swardh]

I want a high megapixel R5 II like 60+ and why not an internal SSD like the Hasselblad X2D has. We will see, but It sounds like the famous hammer is on again. 😔

[@tonygerassi1502]

Let’s not forget the R6ii was rumoured to have a stacked sensor up to a few hours before its release…. I highly doubt the R5ii will be stacked unless the price increases by a few thousand.

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

OMG yes, I remember that. And it came from a very reliable source. If I shared who it was you'd be surprised, or then again, maybe not...

[@philfyphil]

I can’t understand after all these years we are still battling with low light performance, and that applies to all manufacturers.

[@mverick160]

For all you've said. Most would only benefit the video people. As a Stills photographer. Better low light/Better auto focus/ Better dynamic range. I don't think that's enough for a "Stills Photographer" camera. It needs a higher MP to keep up with Sony at 61mp. As Canon hasn't brought out anything to compete with that. The R1 won't either. No matter what, Canon is bringing out a camera that's lesser than the Sony. For Commercial Photographers that don't need anything you've talked about. We're still left with a Canon 5DS R that when you nail everything gives a better image to work with. They've pretty much eliminated commercial photography from their line and are working on eliminating the "Still Photographers" too. Pushing us towards a MF camera. They had came out and said they'd be a leader again. They keep going down the old path and not leading. The R5 was a great camera. The R3 was a waste of time off the R1 and a DS R replacement.

[@grumblewoof4721]

Canon continues to let down photographers who have invested in their brand. They produce a range of camera bodies in the RF mount but most underperform or are deliberately crippled when a simple firmware upgrade would make them much more useful. They do this to entice you to buy the next newer camera. They refuse to authorise third party RF autofocus lenses and instead offer ultra expensive professional lenses or plastic over priced telephoto and kit lenses that aren't weather sealed, have small apertures, suffer from focus breathing, vignetting and distortions that have to be corrected in camera or in post. They often don't even have a lens hood. Don't get me wrong, I still like the Canon R5 but my photography suffers a bit from not being able to afford the L series lenses. Good lenses in the EF mount range are still available in the used market place, including third party lenses, but they don't work as well or as quickly with the autofocus. I am seriously considering jumping ship to Sony.

[@stanjs]

Well, you answered your own question. "not being able to afford the L series lenses.". You're not the target market. Switch to another brand. The fewer ppl use Canon, the earlier they will exit the photography market.

[@wraith6575]

I complete agree on Canon holding back. I have the R5 and use Sigma art lens and the Sigma 24-70 and the last 70-200 non mirrorless, and they are quick, responsive with fantastic sharp image quality.

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

No third party lenses until there are. The long wait is what is frustrating but switching brands is a very expensive endeavour. Perhaps EF it until the announcement happens. If you are willing to stick it out, consider waiting another two years. We might have to wait no more than one year, but even then, it takes time to ramp things up.

[@RayValdezPhotography]

Photo side they are doing good. Most of the images you capture are damn near the same between brands and the AF/ low light is pretty good seeing that 4 years have gone by since the R5 while everyone else has made newer cameras.. Video side they are lacking. They have no real good full frame cinema options compared to Sony. the c500 mkii is way too far out of most people's budgets. if you cant afford RF glass get an adapter an still met most of the same functionality and image quality. You do know that brands like sony, red, and black magic have many people that adapt ef glass and still get the job done.

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

And then compared to RED... The cinema line feels like is it covered in a layer of dust. I think cinema line, I think RED... or Arri... not Canon.

[@ytr8989]

I expect the R5 II to be a technological wonder. It’ll be out of this world 🌎 My expectations are very high.

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

I believe there will be some wonders, but am hoping for general, overall improvements across all capabilities.While a stacked sensor might not be big news for Nikon or Sony, it would be for me as we are late to the game.

[@TheXone7]

Don't forget they will try to sell you basically a better CPU and mostly updated SW in the same body. The biggest part might be the BSI sensor. Let's see...I don't expect any huge surprises, but I hope I am wrong.

[@jean-philippeperetti8463]

Great t-shirt, Simon. Do you have a RUSH one in your wardrobe? Would love to see that.

[@stopthefomo]

So do you think the R5 Mk.2 is designed to match the Z9 or beat it?

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

If ti beats the Z8, then it also beats the Z9 ;) as they are very similar

[@rumporridge1]

If it can best the Z9 then sign me up.

[@davepastern]

45mp bsi stacked sensor...is still lagging behind the competition. Z8 is a year old now...and it was using the sensor from a now 2 year old camera (Nikon being smart and cannibalising parts to cut the cost of production down).

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

So we are behind, agreed, but Nikon was behind Canon for three years while the R5 was out. A company can't always be on top Dave. It up to Canon to take the crown back and leapfrog the Z8 as the R5 leapfrogged Nikon.

[@davepastern]

@@OrdinaryFilmmaker true, true. It's not only that though - Canon's anti-competitive moves against 3rd party lens manufacturers has left a lot of bitter taste amongst once loyal consumers. Amongst other things, Canon's arrogance like no battery grip for the R7 and R10 are prime examples that Canon thinks that they know better than the customer and they are treating us with utter disdain. Companies only learn from these types of mistakes by losses of sales. Big losses.

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

I think even Canon has been surprised by the attention their decision has brought.

[@RockPolitics]

@@davepastern Usually when we talk about "anticompetitive", it doesn't included enforcing one's own patents. Patents are, by nature, anticompetitive, but we make that exception to encourage innovation.

[@davepastern]

@@OrdinaryFilmmaker I think Canon has arrogantly played on people not switching due to the financial loss involved...most photographers buying gear are amateurs, and most have a single lens - for this majority, the loss to switch is not great. For people like me, with a lot of lenses, it's not feasible.

[@gregorylagrange]

Has anybody who says that 45mp is not enough because the competition has a bigger number, have they been able to look at real prints made up to at least 20x30 from 45mp and any of the bigger numbered competition and been able to look at them on display from a normal viewing distance and been able to clearly and consistently point out which is 45mp and which is higher? The mp race reminds me of the horsepower cravings in motorcycle development. The everyday consumer forgets about usability when they see numbers on a spec list between manufacturers. A bike may have higher horsepower, but isn't a better bike if a lower horsepower bike has more usable power, allowing the rider to exit corners more smoothly and end up riding faster around the track. Can your eyes tell in a print, given that software is important to digital photography also and is being developed right along with the mp race, that 61mp is giving you a better poster than the 45mp?

[@DroseMr]

Ive been filming karate too. Really hard to get it right. Im shooting Lumix gh6 w lidar and S5iix. Im invested for a while. Sounds pretty cool! Thank You

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

I've tried slowing down the AF a little, but yeah, it's a skill. I've shot with the 100 f2.8, 100-500 and the 24-105. The 100-500's stabilization was great, but I found the 100 f2.8 was better. I think the 70-200 would be better, but didn't have that one ;)

[@johnclay7644]

informative news Thanks Simon.

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

Thanks for tuning in John.

[@jeffreyhill4705]

A quarter to a half more stops of dynamic range in the highlights, would be amazing, i seem to have issues capturing white clouds and deep dark forests in the shadows of mountains. A CPL could help, but that is another compromise os sharpness. I think after the last few updates to my iOS phone, the WiFi drops connection, so WiFi 6 would be a must

[@josephchan4198]

Thanks for the news.

[@MartianCitizen]

How do you prepare a megapickel. Do they taste good! 😅 As always, keep up the good work and keep'em flying... 👽👾

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

It depends on the sensor. A stacked sensor has extra crispy pickles, a BSI has sweat and sour taste; while a standard CMOS sensor has a seasoned Dill taste ;)

[@flightscapeaviationphoto]

Great work as always Simon... any clue as to why Canon would discontinue the dual battery grips for the R5 and R6/R6 II ?

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

I was surprised by that. Two things come to mind: 1) they didn't sell; or 2) most likely, they have an update taking advantage of the R52 that will be backward compatible.

[@flightscapeaviationphoto]

@@OrdinaryFilmmaker Hope so... I depend on those grips for improved ergonomics and handling large lenses when shooting moving aircraft at airshows... some which can get NEAR Mach 1

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

What if the body is bigger like the R3.... I know, that's crazy talk... but its Sunday and I'm twitching from lack of news ;)

[@JimOutLoud]

As we approach the release of the R5 II I MAY be lamenting my breakup with Canon. But the proverbial grass is always greener. Great stuff!

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

Well, it's something to ponder carefully. It would be nice to have multiple cameras coning out :)

[@Tornado.EOS.Software]

Cool camera, I wonder if it has already been added to the Tornado EOS service program?

[@benjamin.kelley]

Man, Canon dropped their mirrorles line, then went into hibernation. Then they finally came clean and said they aren't moving forward with third party RF lenses. I'm mostly a video guy and after being unsatisfied with the R6, and using the C70 a ton of times, I think im going ti jump to Sony. Canon is the boomer and Sony has been the millennial expanding on and executing on ideas. Heck, even Nikon has been making moves with the Z9, and Z8...not to mention they bought RED.

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

I'm not sure hibernation is the right word. 41 lenses since 2019, a migration of every camera body but the R1 - that is a very big task. But the cinema line seems to have been forgotten like a Childs last year's favourite toy...

[@aarong2374]

What's the difference between dual gain and dual native iso?

[@alpercetiner949]

I need a R8 mark II to transition from APS-C to full frame

[@Trespas]

Hey, I like your vids and hope to see you reach your 100k goal soon and from there be on your way to bigger audience. A few notes though: you repeat yourself quite a lot in different ways. As one example, In this video you said the same sentence twice at 7:49 and 7:55 which is most likely an editing mistake, but still. Also, many of the recent vids seem to be about almost the same thing. I know you're most likely just trying to post consistently and there's not just that much else to talk about, but this can hurt your growth (I personally skip videos that seem like they're talking about the same rumours again and again). KZbin sort of measures "satisfaction" or "happiness" (you can find more about this on a Peter McKinnon video posted roughly 4 months ago titled "KZbin isn't the Problem, IT'S YOU" where Renee from youtube explains some of these things). Essentially, get people to watch more of your video (Retention) and more of your videos in row (one part of satisfaction). So double check your edits, be concise (cut excessive rambling, avoid saying same things many times in different ways just to get longer videos), maybe widen your subject variety a bit and look at your retention to see where/when people dip out (if they do). This is just my opinion and is meant as positive in hopes to see you grow faster and possibly get "in" with bigger sponsors, as I like seeing new people doing camera things on youtube.

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

It's a challenge this time of year. Things can change from say to day so I put out another video. For those who like the camera of the day, it's good, for those that don't they tune out. If I focused on Canon only, this would be less of a problem, but when things are crazy and busy like this with new videos just being a minor update, I get many more views and income jumps. When videos are spaced apart and different from each other, growth is slow oddly. I need to watch out for those editing mistakes, but I do try to repeat the central message about three times. Studies show that they click better. My goal is to retire in 3 to five years and do this full time. This will give me more time to focus on this instead of being pulled in every direction ;) Thanks for the feedback.

[@Trespas]

​@@OrdinaryFilmmaker Yeah, bigger creators have the benefit of "filling the quiet times" with sponsor provided gadgets, photo trips and private events etc. so it must be a challenge and can afford to not be the first ones out with some rumours (pick and choose only the best bits, like Jared Polin). You'll get there too, as you're doing pretty well for a new channel already. The "repeat at least 3 times" would be a good idea if you were doing educational content, as like you said, it stays with the watcher better. But in social media, sometimes you have to throw some of that mentality away and forget some of the old marketing "rules" to have the content be more engaging, or find a way to vary the message and space it out (good script writing and staying with the script helps, also helps with the umms and oh's when thinking about what you're saying) so that it's not as noticeable. It is challenging, but if you're providing news coverage, repeating the message is not as much needed. Of course, there is an audience for every style of content, so these are just my opinions.

[@MrMolotov69]

I’ve been debating between getting the r5 or r5c now that the prices for both have come down. If the r5 mark II has a full sized hdmi, clog 2, improved dynamic range, AI autofocus that is useful for video, no record limit, ibis without jello and ok battery life then I don’t see a point in getting the r5c unless you really value that cinema OS.

[@jeffgaboury3157]

Good assessment Simon. I think the camera will be amazing. Way out of my price-range, but amazing. As to the varied rumours, I wonder if Canon tested higher resolution prototypes along with the 45mp prototypes and the latter performed much better, particularly in low-light. With NDA's, I suspect we'll never know, but it's fun to speculate!

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

If it's out of your range, keep an eye on used R5s - very solid camera even today.

[@jeffgaboury3157]

@@OrdinaryFilmmakerI have been keeping an eye on used R5's for a while, on Kijiji and Facebook Marketplace. They always seem to be north of 3 grand, even now. Hopefully, with the launch of the R5II, prices will become more within my budget. 😁

[@WernerBirdNature]

Hey Simon, that's a nice weekend dream about the upcoming R5ii. Would be great when this turns real! But as I reacted earlier, I'd rather expect (and hope for) dual CFxB instead of Gen4. Since the R3 was released, your Angelbird friends actually made the CFxB cards providing much more value for money compared to the SD cards. And Gen4 speeds are more needed when reading the data compared to while shooting. Giving the R5ii dual CFxB cards now will not cast a larger shadow over the R3 than the R1 will do. It would also open the door to give the R7ii and R6iii their first CFxB card slot.

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

8K120 might be a stretch, but everything else is where the Z8 is today or just a little bit more. I'm willing to be you a coffee that it doesn't get dual type b ;)

[@WernerBirdNature]

@@OrdinaryFilmmaker Fine, I note you're betting against what you'd want ;-)

[@normansuchorzewski1026]

So glad Nikon bought Red, now maybe Canon will get their heads out of their butts and start proving why they are on top and not just being the worst communicating camera manufacturer in existence. Exciting times ahead. Thank you once again.

[@thesharpercoder]

When it comes to video performance, the original R5 is/was a hybrid camera that promised more than it could initially deliver. Canon improved and corrected many of the shortcomings with firmware updates. Canon fixed all the problems with the R5c. It someone is looking for state of the art video performance from a future R5 mark II, then they are looking in the wrong direction, IMHO. Canon seems to be positioning both the R5 and R5c has hybrid cameras. Except the R5 seems to put a priority on stills performance, while the R5c seems to prioritize video performance.

[@tonygerassi1502]

Depends on use case and what works for you. The AF is much better on the R5 then the video mode of the R5c as it’s more cine oriented for manual focus. Also if you need ibis and don’t have a rig, R5c doesn’t have you covered as it’s static and designed to be rigged. Realistically speaking if you only need 4k, a 12 MP sensor is all you need which is what made the A7siii such a great video centric mirrorless body. It’s all about the tool you need and what suits your needs. Otherwise we would all be driving the same model smart car lol

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

I agree the R5c needs an update, but pull out and see the entire line is in a much needed update looking old against the competition with few updates in the past few years.

[@RayValdezPhotography]

@@tonygerassi1502with the last updates I sometimes prefer the cinema os AF over the AF. Only in low light the c70 or r5c might suffer a lot compared to something like the R3. I feel like the AF is just too responsive and compared to the more cinematic AF pacing of the cinema line. I have the c70, r3, r5, and r5c. For talking head videos i take the c70 over an r3 any day after the last firmware update .

[@thesharpercoder]

@@tonygerassi1502 Your observation about use cases is spot on. Videographers need IBIS. Cinematographers do not. IBIS is most useful for handheld still photography and run-in-gun videography. A true cinema camera does not need IBIS. It’s a marketing gimmick. It is a crutch for those who cannot afford stabilized video rigs. Hollywood and television have done just fine with mechanical rigs for decades. A physical system is almost always far superior to electronic IBIS, IMHO.

[@andreshiwa7442]

'Canon improved and corrected many of the shortcoming...' Don't get me wrong, but WE, Canon customers PAY TO FOUND and fix most of the flaws and detects of their UNFINISHED product called EOS R5...

[@Austintatious]

The R1 has 30 megaPICKELS!? 😂 Hey Simon what about the R5C mark 2? When is it going to come out? I don't want to get the r5 mark 2 for filming and then R5C mk.2 comes out with better specs.

[@rustyroy5385]

I think it's likely we'll see improved processing speed and autofocus capabilities, but only a minor improvement in image quality. I'm looking at getting a new camera, but the current R5 is more attractive than a possible R5 mk2 as it will likely be a lot more expensive and I doubt the high ISO performance in low light will be much better.

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

I don't expect huge improvements in speed either, but 4K60 HQ would have me rethinking shooting everything in 60fps. There is just something so crisp about it as though I m looking through a window rather than a TV. If it is a game changer, I do expect the price to rise... a more modest 5D III type update and the price could stay the same.

[@Hodenkat]

I haven't seen any wish-list videos on the R5-M2. Almost every Canon lens review is done with the R5-M1, and nobody has a single complaint about the R5. Every pro is happy with it. Many channels are still using it as their main rig, and their videos look great! It's starting to sound like the AI autofocus may be the biggest new feature coming to the Canon lineup starting with the R5-M2 and of course the R1 .

[@philiprolenick4475]

I set my R7 to close its shutter when powered off to protect the sensor while I change lenses. It's senseless to remove this capability. At least leave that, even if it's not used in taking pictures.

[@daemon1143]

If they leave out the mechanical shutter, it'll live or die on flash sink and other affected characteristics

[@GabrielScindian]

30 megapickles

[@MartianCitizen]

👍🤣

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

I try to squeeze one in once in a while ;)

[@GabrielScindian]

@@OrdinaryFilmmaker Awesome!!!

[@jadie1234a]

So if it is a fully electronic shutter, would you still be able to use flash or studio lights?

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

Good question. The Z8 and Z9 are electronic only. ;)

[@jadie1234a]

@@OrdinaryFilmmakerSo are you saying we don't know yet? If I cannot use flash, I would just stay with my current R5!

[@skrubol]

Why wouldn't it be able to use flash? Hopefully flash sync speed will be substantially faster than with mechanical shutter for the Mk I.

[@tonypags5315]

Simon a lot of r52 info . 👍🏻 But what about the R1? I mean shouldn’t the flagship be getting g a lot more press???

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

I know, I hear you. Last week ti was all about the R52. Makes me wonder if it will be announced first? I don't know Canon is getting harder to predict over the short term.

[@tonypags5315]

@@OrdinaryFilmmaker I know !! Not sure what Canon is doing . I really think the R3 threw a wrench in it all for what Canon might be thinking for an R1.

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

I hear that a lot but don't buy it. All Canon had to do to have a decent R1 two years ago was to take the R5 and make it faster, dual card slots, 8K60... it would not have taken much. The R3 was just a 1DX mark 3 with a switch to mirrorless and handicapped with an SD card slot.

[@TBGTOMPHOTO]

Agree that the R5 mk1 is still awesome and if you don't need some of the enhanced video features, it will be a great get.

[@heynow2880]

Would love to have that DGO that is in the C300 in it

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

Yep. that would be nice.

[@RockPolitics]

I mentioned this up above, but I'm finding that most people read about the increased dynamic range of that DGO sensor, but don't understand that it is for video, and only if you're shooting CLOG2. I would LOVE to have 16 stops of dynamic range available for stills. This ain't that.

[@cathco9]

I guess we'll have our answers in a month or two. I really would be so surprised if Canon doesn't give us a stacked sensor. This would make zero sense to me. There are just so many more technical advances since the R5 was developed and came to market. It's time for Canon to at least catch up, if not surpass, the competition. We'll see what happens. Thanks, Simon! Enjoy your Sunday! 📷

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

I agree Cathy. I would not mind a BSI sensor, but with the Z8 having a stacked sensor, and canon having their own chip fab, yeah a big surprise. Relaxing in my lazy boy commenting and watching videos about moving to Vancouver ;) Enjoy your week!

[@RockPolitics]

"Canon R5 II: It's Not What You Think". Well I suppose that should go without saying, since I don't even know what to think due to all the conflicting information. About that DGO sensor: there's a reason why Canon has only put a DGO sensor in cinema cameras. Unless something has changed, the increased dynamic range with a DGO sensor is only for video, and not for stills. Not only that, but it only gives that added dynamic range benefit when you're using Canon Log 2. It sort of makes sense that they might put a DGO sensor into the R1, since it's supposed to be a "master of everything". A DGO sensor wouldn't help the stills side of the R1, but it would benefit the video side. I suppose they could put one into the R5II, since it's supposed to have Canon Log 2. Just don't get too excited about DGO if you're primarly a stills shooter. Since Nikon bought Red, maybe Canon should buy Blackmagic.

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

The comment was aimed mostly at those who provided comments about the R5 specs published by Canon rumours last week as being too weak.

[@pauldevereux9501]

1973 DSOTM. The best colour

[@thegoldenmaestro]

can anyone predict if it'll have a full size HDMI port instead on the current mini or micro HDMI that it has ? its very important for me as i need it a lot for live streaming weddings

[@thegoldenmaestro]

lol i should commented after i watched more of this video about the HDMI i rushed i got excited i forgot i am a canon user i shouldn't get excited

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

I'm going to do a poll after I post this comment.

[@MrMolotov69]

I reckon so as it’s been a common complaint so if they bothered listening they would have designed it with a full sized hdmi

[@thegoldenmaestro]

@@OrdinaryFilmmaker fantastic How do I get to this pole ?

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

I just deleted it as I put micro twice! I do the poll another day

[@GunslingerMediaCo]

Boring? Who cares lol. The people saying it's boring are the kids that nerd out over specs but can't afford any of it. I was about to buy an R6ii because at the store it wasn't laggy like the R5 on display. Plus the autofocus was way better. All I need is a more responsive camera and I'm sold. The R5 is still amazing, and if the R6ii didn't exist I would have bought it. Now I'm just waiting till this is released.

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

Value chains and outcomes. I focus on these to inform that it is not about the specs as specs are misleading. I look forward to the speed you see.

[@RiderTalkHQ]

How about recording audio in high speed recording

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

Yes. Let us decide if we want video or not :)

[@tonycapo8015]

No mechanical shutter? Is this where all the new mirrorless cameras are going from now on?

[@chikstarws]

The camera makers are obsessed with the high fps for wildlife and sports. When 90% of R5 shooters are portrait, wedding and event shooters. But BSI low noise, better DR and improved AF is what we want.

[@bryllupmiami3499]

feels like this r52 won't be on anyones hands until nov or December. Nikon will drop two more cameras by then! Canon needs to give the professional shooter something asap! at the very least a 35 1.2 L

[@markjob6354]

*Trying to predict what Canon will do in the future is like trying to play a game of chicken with an adversary you can't even see ! Canon has traditionally played its cards extremely close to its chest, and I have little to absolutely no confidence in the veracity of any of these reported rumours. P.S. Congratulations Simon. Your subscriber count is up by at least 500 ! 👌👀 You are pretty much, the only person who gives out intelligent predictions. Several other channels are trying to copy you now, but can't do it properly.*

[@albedo0point39]

For me, manufacturers ideally need a fast camera, a high resolution camera and a fast and high-res ‘super camera’. This is what Sony does with their 9 series, R series and A series. Canon has the R3 for fast, and R5 was (somewhat) high resolution. But now everything is looking kind of messed up if the R5ii just gets faster… and the R1 is fast but lower res?? Why would folks buy the R1 if the R5 gets this much faster? Where do you go if you need more resolution? What’s the point of the R3? If Canon are set on adding a lot more speed and AI processing to the R5ii, my best hope is that they really work on multi shot technology to enhance both resolution and dynamic range, as phone cameras have started to do. I have no need for 60 raw per second… but if Canon could grab and merge those into a 4x resolution image with 16 bit dynamic range, that would definitely put a smile on my face. Especially if they can make a super-res capture work handheld (which Olympus has done for years).

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

What do you think of Fujifilm medium format cameras? They really push high resolution better than even Sony. The R3's biggest mistake was not doing dual CFexpress cards. Still surprising... I think the R3 was tossed in there to prevent people jumping ship to Nikon or sony with a better flagship camera... I was speaking to Craig a few days back and he doesn't see anything close to 60mp on the R5. It doesn't sound like that might be coming.

[@albedo0point39]

@@OrdinaryFilmmaker I’d consider the Fuji GFX… but they’re big cameras and the lenses are big too. Got to say the Leica SL3 has me interested. If you think Canon is bad with a closed lens mount and limited lenses… Fuji GF/GFX is a lot worse! I actually started on Canon DSLRs. Moved to Sony ‘r’ series for 10 years… but I came to hate the body design and I’ve been moving back to Canon. There’s lots I love about Canon really, and I’ve got a good number of lenses already… just wondering where they’re going next! The camera that ticks a lot of boxes on paper is Sony’s a7cr… but the UI/ergonomics are brutal, so I won’t be going back there.

[@HeadlessChickenTO]

Theres always the finer details we aren't privy to that makes the difference. Specs wise, the R3 isn't all that impressive.

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

Exactly. As I always say, focus on the capabilities, the value we expect from the camera. Specs tells us nothing useful.

[@OhhhBugger]

For me, Canon has had 6 years to produce a pro level crop camera and failed. The R7 is just ok compared to other offerings out there like the Fuji X-H2S, or the OM-system's M4/3rds. They've had their hands in my pocketbook for 14 years, and now I am seriously thinking of moving on.

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

I felt the R7 could have done a few more things better as well.

[@christophercarlimages9003]

R7 is $1500. What do you think the market will bear for a crop sensor? It would cost more than an R6 which is a way better camera than the R7 for the price.

[@OhhhBugger]

@@christophercarlimages9003 As I mention in my comment, the Fuji X-H2S is a very pro level body, and it's quite a bit more, (by about $1000). The OM-1 mkii is about $1700. "Better" depends on usage. I prefer crop bodies because I use crop factor to my advantage. A really really good crop body gives me a lot of advantage. You are comparing apples to oranges. The R6 is a FF camera and has a higher market value just because of the hype around FF bodies. It is a great camera, but it's a camera aimed for a very specific audience. It has a low MP count, and is not cropped. It has a high readout and fast write, with high FPS. Ergo, it's probably best for some sports and ultra low light stuff where you absolutely need as good of ISO performance as possible. I will say the R7 does do well with fairly high ISO...just not as well as it could with a BSI sensor. It would benefit much from a faster buffer and card as well. Give us one more dial like the R5 too. It wouldn't take much, and there are people like me more than willing to buy such a beast. Again, I make my comparisons to the Fuji and OM models. The market is there. Canon just needs to get their heads out of their orifices.

[@glennn.3464]

8K with over 60fps is possible with newer processor and hardware but can we spell 'overheating'. 🥵🔥 Maybe with a new form factor. And then there’s the battery life issue with that much processing going on.

[@yohannsphotographyvideogra9542]

i really think canon is going through rough times but eventually sony and nikon will do as well cause what the 3 companies lack is inovation like cell phones and for a strange reasons or fear they wont work on a ios or android platform wich is the future of camera and video imagery

[@jul1anuhd]

If there's one thing I've learned, it's not to judge something by specifications alone, especially with cameras. Because according to the specifications, some smartphone cameras would be better than an Arri Alexa 35, which is clearly not the case. We will see how much better the sensor, the dynamic range, colors, the low light performance, the image stabilization, the fixing of the wobble problem, the codecs etc. are. A new DIGIC processor and no mechanical shutter shows me that the update is probably bigger than just a small improvement like from the R6 I to the R6 II. It won't have many new features, but there will be big improvements in what it can already do.

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

Amen on that. It's always about the outcomes, which I tackled here. It isn't the stacked sensor that matters, it is the capabilities it brings: low light performance, dynamic range that allows to get better shots when lighting isn't optimal and for the AF to grab more shots for us - increasing our hit rate. Well said Julian. You'v got the right approach.

[@stopthefomo]

Definitely cuts both ways but the good news is it can’t be worse than the already great R5.

[@real_me365]

Like I said, in the last video, Canon rumors goofed up and we don’t believe it and the specifications weren’t true I hope and pray that the specs are going in the same direction some of my like someone I don’t like. I just hope at the show that there’s a big twist to this

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

None of us feel these specs hit the mark. They were too vague to come from an inside source. Insiders offer specific specs without contradictions. So close to an event, these were way too vague. Assuming they aren't too far away, I use this video to realistically predict what would come.

[@normanwatson9056]

Well to come out after 4 years what could be a firmware update for the R5... not a BIG DEAL, they're behind the competition and now they're showing it. No wow factors in any headlines. The R1 better be revealing pandoras box when released or it's goodnight canon!

[@RobDTom]

Still doesn't seem like a very exciting release, but we shall see

[@jameslong1540]

If any more cameras come out with a different memory card ...... take me off the list.

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

It's not so bad James. I used the SD card as a backup in case I lose or more likely delete. The rest of the time I'm using CFexpress... its not like we mount both cards at the sam time ;)

[@jamesburne3893]

Cue the comments from the people waiting for the R1 and going to trade in their M50 and jump ship.

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

All comments are welcome here even the ones that vehemently disagree with me... so long as they are courteous :) I'm not looking for flame wars, but enjoy being challenged to change my view

[@RockPolitics]

I sold my R3 when they were insisting that the R1 release was imminent (what... a year and a half ago?). I've got a pair of R5's and a pair of R50's, and I still have an M50 that I won't get rid of because I love the Sigma 14mm F/1.4 for a couple of studio settings I use. I own nearly every L-series lens for RF mount. (I don't own a 28-70, the 100-500, or the new 24-105). And, yes, I am VERY seriously considering a platform change. And, yes, it will be extremely expensive if I go that way. Should we feel grateful if Canon finally gets rid of the 30 minute record limit? I mean, that would be a big improvement over the original R5. But that's just something that should have been taken care of long ago. It's like a car manufacturer trying to make a big deal out of anti-lock brakes in 2024. It's just expected - as are a lot of the specs in this video.

[@christophercarlimages9003]

Seems like video shooters are satisfied with the reported specs. Stills shooters not so much. Maybe that's because Canon hasn't produced a top performing sensor ever. Their DxOMark scores are mediocre. And this in no way can best the Z9 unless it has a truly pro body and seriously bigger battery, which is never going to happen with a 5 series camera. Where's the Z9 competition? There is none and looks like there won't be any time soon.

[@dipankarchatterjee9416]

Simon I like and follow your videos but lately these seems to be only to garner eyeballs and KZbin algorithms. Perhaps in preparation for the new camera. There’s nothing new.

[@Trespas]

Same, and I've noticed the same thing, but it's not good for the current "algorithm" at least not in the long run, as algorithm = audience (simplified). If audience sees too much repetition and bails on a video, it will drive down engagement, retention and growth, meaning youtube won't pull as many videos from this creator to push to new people (overly simplified).

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

I don't care about the KZbin Formula so much. It is about being first out with content. There was so much blow back from the specs from CR I put out this video to explain why the specs could mean a better camera than first believed. As we get closer to the R5 announcement, content may seem very similar: a price update, leaked photos, new specs. Think of it like an all news channel, when a big news story hits, they cover it 24/7, but if you watch all day, it is repetitive. It's a challenge I have to think about. How Can I cover a minor update in info while still offering value without feeling stale. Your thoughts would be welcome. Another challenge I have, if I am not first out with updates, it leaves the door open for someone else and I lose out a lot.

[@Trespas]

@@OrdinaryFilmmaker That is a challenge, and good to hear that the mythical "algorithm" isn't something you really care, as you shouldn't, because audience = algorithm, and if watchers are happy, it's easier to work from there. When it comes to minor updates, I would first concider if it's something that has any credibility and is it even worth talking about (canon rumors trustworthiness is questionable for example). If it's questionable, maybe put some weight on how real you believe it to be, and why, and what "value" you can add to the rumor. Second thing, do you care about video lenght? Maybe the correct format for minor things would be a youtube short? Don't need to drag a video out to be 10+ minutes. Or do a fast roundup, around 3-6 mins, nothing wrong with that either. That last bit is challenging when growing a new channel, those couple thousand views of being first matter a lot, so that might be an issue that gets easier with time and takes the pressure of being first off a little. Just think about it this way: How much value it is to a viewer to see it from someone "first", and how much value you yourself have. When you get to the point that you and your opinions are the value that viewers want, then being first is not as critical. But as you said, it is tough at the moment. To put it another way, if being first is the main value a channel brings, that will not carry for long. You have a lot more to offer than being first, but finding your groove and style takes time and can't really be rushed.

[@samsonmartin154]

It may be r3 mark ii and r5 mark ii

[@nightdonutstudio]

I am not a Canon user. But I feel that I have seen this Canon R5 II rumor for over year, isn't it?

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

Nope, every canon r5 rumours for the past year showed 60, 61 or 62 mp stacked sensor and more aggressive specs.

[@michael_swardh]

60 mp at 40 fps would be enough for me. 60 fps will fill up the memory cards very fast.

[@jimbruton9482]

I guess the thing to do is for Canon, Nikon, Sony, Hasselblad, Leica, Lumix, etc. to give up any feature of their business/product line (like lenses) they believe proprietary and release it to 3rd party clone makers. I wonder who will be making camera bodies in 3-5 years if they give everything away. I don't like the direction this channel (especially in the comments) is becoming, regularly picking someone to trash......

[@njrivetelite]

I hate that canon rumors credibility took a dive after the original guy sold it

[@verzivull]

You know, canon RF is a good thing: you are not impressed by camera bodies anymore, because they don't have lenses that seem worth trying. Plus it taught you to stop thinking about lenses that canon will never have. Or is it just me, whose gear acquisition syndrome is broken now?

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

Think value chain

[@RiderTalkHQ]

Your wishlist is turning this into the R1 🤷‍♂️

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

I don't think so, but historically the 1 series and 5 series are very close is specs. The difference is that the 1 series pushes high performance for fast action.

[@sebastianberes]

Hyping up a letdown will lead to a bigger letdown :)

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

Intsead of generalizing like the rumours was, what specifics of this video did you have trouble with? is 8K raw at 60 fps unrealistic? full sensor 4K120 unrealistic?

[@sebastianberes]

@@OrdinaryFilmmaker It can create a similar situation as with the original R5 release. Overhyped features were not performing up to the expectations, causing bad press for a generally great camera. Not to mention about the "big update" hype. As for now, the latest rumoured specs are nothing special and feel more like Mark 1.5. Nothing wrong with your video just with Canon :)

[@iamkenji]

45mp is a bit behind. I would rather have at least 60 mp and less fps. canon mega pixel beast is some other competitor old technology. that's ashamed.

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

Is it though? I get you'd like to seeee 60mp. Do you have the a7R5?

[@iamkenji]

@@OrdinaryFilmmaker i shot from 20D to 5DSR, i used to think canon is a leader, now it's more a follower, losing it's market, if i were canon, I will make a 100mp beast, to gain back its face, and leader position, from gfx and sony, one stone two birds. You have been disappointing your long term die hard fans. where have you been canon? sleeping? do sth before it's; too late.

[@rubyredphoto]

As if you said “mega pickles” but on purpose this time 😂 brilliant please always call it that lol

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

It's very hard to say it on purpose Ruby. Sometimes it is planned, and sometimes it is last minute. I may look serious, but I'm always a bit of a jokester ;) I think I only ever did it by mistake once - and you can tell because the word is slurred ;)

[@rubyredphoto]

@@OrdinaryFilmmaker yeah I saw the video where you did it by accident which made this even funnier as I knew you did it on purpose 🤣

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

I keep thinking what other words could I mis speak ;) Cameras aren't funny, but I'm doing my best ;)

[@rubyredphoto]

@@OrdinaryFilmmaker mega pickles is great as it came from a genuine mistake and it’s like a only ones who know know

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

Yeah,... those are fun ;) But more fun seeing the responses.

[@grahamtowers5513]

And another bus went past

[@Cherub72]

you need to use bookmarks.

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

I do use chapters when there's need for them. This was all ne topi though...

[@Cherub72]

@@OrdinaryFilmmaker I skipped around a lot before ultimately going to a better video. Not trying to bash you.

[@knofi7052]

For me Canon will be boring anyway when they don't open their RF mount!

[@Jormaboy88]

Maybe I am being too critical, but if you’re going to be giving information about cameras and inequality, I think you should be wearing something not as drab as you’re wearing!

[@rolanddangelo1]

R5 II will be a evolution not a revolution. people expect far too much again

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

Nicely said.

[@vincentnavea6999]

CanYAWN

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

Not bad... but I think mega pickles is better... I might still use Canyawn sometime...

[@Leo-jd2ny]

…. nothing spectacular. But you can sugarcoat everything

[@tw06le1]

The RED+Nikon marriage just sounds icky... a gros couple but you can see the love. lol

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

That's an immature perspective. Any couple that loves each other into old age should be appreciated and not condemned. I won't even bother to address your Nikon comment...

[@williamkelly9062]

More, more, more more and even more conjecture, fedup with it. considering unsubscribing

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

Then go elsewhere William. Analysis is something I spend a lot of time and effort on for those that want to dig deeper. If that annoys you, unsubscribe and follow those that provide the content you want. The why and result are far more important to me than the what.

[@paulmills8472]

Yawn