Canonical Pokémon Fan Terms

[@johnmarklorsagorio4885]

I feel like we use the swords of justice more than the 'legendary musketeers'

[@Mariusweeddeath]

It's a weird case that they are very clearly based on the Musketeers in a design sense, and if you mentioned that to a pokemon player, they would probably be able to tell you who you are referring to; but the name "Sword of Justice" being a lot more specific due to the "Sacred Sword" move. It's sukcs somewhat because I honestly lime the Legendary Musketeers name more. I feel li,e the name would have stuck more if they cameout in Kalos rather than Unova.

[@PHiLLy2c]

I call them the Muskadeers

[@mjdxp5688]

I think it was used more before the term "Swords of Justice" were introduced.

[@dodger01theawesome81]

​@@PHiLLy2c I'm so glad someone else came up with that too

[@xeno9671]

​@PHiLLy2c ur a genius my bro

[@maneruloquendero]

I will never call them "first partner Pokémon". It's too long, it's phonetically impractical and I hte it. "Starter Pokémon" is and will always be the right term

[@x_bell1142]

Agreed

[@Zitronen_]

They're pushing "first partner pokemon" way too hard. Nobody will ever use it lmao

[@darkmond8680]

I always used it since gen 4 the fans should decide waht terms to use it the pokemon company and I will only terms approved by them

[@nathanl8622]

I kinda get the logic (Pokemon uses a term that pushes them as your friend, the fan term is describing their mechanical role they fill), but yeah it's way too clunky. I feel like if they ditched the Pokemon and just called them your first partner, it still wouldn't usurp starter but they might get a few people to use the term.

[@thegoldentomb]

I actually want them to keep using the “first partner pokemon” term. Although we use the term “starter”, it’s more narratively attractive to say that this will be our first partner pokemon. It’s like the word companion over pet. I’d love it for pet centers to refer to pets as companions instead, gives them a more formal and meaningful visage so we as trainers will easily see them as partners than just “some random lizard I’ll probably trade out for a rat”

[@jakebotton2999]

There’s also “box art legendaries” which would kinda break the fourth wall if this term was used in games.

[@x_bell1142]

True

[@coolguy5133]

Using "box art legendaries" wouldn't be as big as a 4th wall breaker as meeting the GameFreak employees, or seeing a few NPCs playing the current Pokemon game you are playing right now, or when Penny asks you what games you have on your Nintendo Switch in your character's room.

[@BJGvideos]

​@@coolguy5133Penny asking that doesn't break the fourth wall.

[@DanS044]

Nintendo can make itself a company in their own games I guess. Just as long as long as they don’t also make a game called “Pokémon”

[@popcornab]

okay but what if there was a box ingame with art of the legendaries would it be breaking the fourth wall if they were called ingame box art legendaries or nah

[@harukaze7388]

The real naming disaster is "base stats". In fandom it reffered to the initial stats of a pokemon, before natures and EVs and IVs were applied. Officially it reffers to the stats *after* they are are applied. EVs are "base points." The official term for "base stats" is "species strength"

[@x_bell1142]

That is a disaster

[@MrJoeyWheeler]

Yeah, that one is pretty bad. That's probably why it took so long for normal people without the internet to understand what vitamins do.

[@nlb137]

It is frankly unclear. "Species stats" would make sense as that makes it clear that it's the base that's shared across all mons in that species.

[@casualsleepingdragon8501]

🤮

[@harukaze7388]

@@MrJoeyWheeler That's because what it did used to be semi-officially reffered to as "stat experience" (in the internal code), which for fans reffered exclusively to Gen 1 and 2's system and then legends replaces the "base points" terminology with... _"effort level"_

[@beanburrito4405]

I had no idea Entry Hazard wasn’t an official term, that’s kinda crazy to me. It _sounds_ so official

[@x_bell1142]

I didn’t know this either

[@MarkFonts]

yeah, multiple syllables it’s *_GOTTA_* be official /s

[@airam1721]

Is that actually not real?

[@maddiemcnugget1076]

I feel like this just sounds official in video games in general since there are lot's of games where "entry hazards" are an aspect of strategy.

[@yokaipinata1416]

@beanburrito4405 Honestly, an _awful lot_ of fan terms sound like they could be official, so it's very common for people to think they actually are. In addition to "entry hazard", you have "pseudo-legendary", "effort values", "Legendary Beasts"...

[@mertensiam3384]

Fun fact!! The Masuda Method in japanese, according to Bulbapedia, is referred to as "International Marriage". I think Masuda Method is a LOT better

[@trailersforfun2669]

Agreed, but international marriage is hilarious

[@Numbabu]

That’s just so funny though. They should combine them. Masuda’s Mail order Marriage Method

[@mertensiam3384]

@@trailersforfun2669 it is pretty funny

[@Eggoroni]

should be the "i had a friend in germany trade me a shiny ditto so i can collect funny colored pokemon method"

[@Diwasho]

I prefer their version. Kokusai Kekkon rolls off the tongue well too.

[@sharkiejade]

Box Legendaries (legendary pokemon that appear on the box art) is another one I see a lot, particularly in competitive circles since they tend to be more powerful than other legendary pokemon

[@x_bell1142]

True, that's a good one I missed

[@yokaipinata1416]

There's also the term "version mascot", which could also apply to the Kanto games since it drops the "legendary" part. ❤️

[@a.v.y8331]

I think it's mostly used in vgc to loosely refer to restricted legendaries, since most restricted legendaries are box legendaries and all box legendaries are restricted. it's not exactly a 1-1 correlation but it's close enough for the average layperson to get the general idea of which legendaries are restricted, which is actually an interesting edge case for this video, where the official term and fan term don't refer to the exact same group of pokemon, but are used for the same purpose of identifying a specific group of pokemon normally unallowed in vgc

[@YOM2_UB]

Many are also sometimes referred to as "sub-legendaries", especially those with a base stat total equal to or lower than 600 but sometimes everything that isn't a box legendary.

[@Ratstail91]

The swords of Justice sounds better, IMO.

[@The_Jzoli]

There's also the Pikachu/Pika- clones for the electric mouse-like pokemon released in each gen that resemble pikachu in some way.

[@x_bell1142]

True, I should have mentioned that one

[@echohibiki2798]

@@x_bell1142 regional bird and rodent like ratata, bidoof, etc

[@ThriftyFangirl]

I love how the pika-clones are the electric rodents and marill (and nobody tell me marill doesn't count, it was literally rumoured to be called pikablue)

[@kitsuaria]

​@@x_bell1142Hey, that just means you have material for a second part

[@KeiranTrick]

​@@echohibiki2798 regional mammal is more fitting, since many of them aren't rodents.

[@Rose-yx6jq]

4:50 it sounds to me that up until adopting "shiny" they just weren't sure what you call them.

[@x_bell1142]

Pretty much

[@1Hol1Tiger]

The TCG actually called them "Shining"

[@MattTOB618]

​@@1Hol1Tiger I thought they called them "Radiant"?

[@suly5836]

Sometimes I forget stealth rocks is just the name of the move and not the actual entry hazard (pointed stones).

[@aminadabbrulle8252]

Sneaky pebbles.

[@nicocchi]

Quiet Gravel

[@GmNdWtchr96]

Hidden Ore

[@NightcordAt26]

Silent minerals.

[@denn8202]

am I the only one who refer to them as field hazards? 😂

[@OgerponIsACutie]

Gamefreak really making the loyal three the fan term by having carmine calling them the lousy three in game and now I just call them that

[@TheRaggedFlygon]

That fits because they are such terrible mons. I was so disappointed when their stats came out.

[@Blastosie_Offical]

The Lousy Three is the fan term, they're still called the Loyal Three. You don't have to be good to be loyal, and they're definitely very loyal to Pecharunt.

[@icebearlikestrains6238]

​@@Blastosie_Offical Carmine does refer to them as "The Lousy Three" in-game

[@dr.bentenjaminoctaviusocto1658]

​@@TheRaggedFlygonAt least all 3 have cool designs

[@ScionStorm1]

The imPeached Trio

[@RealSkello]

8:21 I have never in my life have I heard “Mew Duo” it’s just mew and mewtwo

[@martell5437]

exactly. this is the first time ive heard “The Mew Duo” be used. i just address em both together

[@x_bell1142]

I have never heard it either, but this was listed on their Bulbapedia page

[@Hexic101]

The 3-prize Pokémon card that features them both and was very viable competitively is usually referred to as "Mewthree" so they can be called that as well

[@eglol]

Usually people say "Mew and Mewtwo" because I guess it's quite easy and quite fun to say. Meww and Mewtwooooo

[@generalgrievous92]

they should be called the Mewuo

[@energyzer_bunny1913]

I hear Swords of Justice more often than Legendary Musketeers. I hear Lati-Twins more often than Eon duo. I do hear "The Genies" about as often as The Forces of Nature.

[@MousaThe14]

Yeah, this matches my experience exactly.

[@robertlupa8273]

I used to hear "The Kami Trio" some time ago, but that's probably because I was watching people who were at least somewhat knowledgable about the group's origins.

[@MousaThe14]

@@robertlupa8273 there does tend to be certain difference in “general fandom terms” and “enlightened fandom terms”. Such as your example with the Kami trio. I think the same is true with the difference of who calls them the “Eon duo” and who calls them “The Lati twins”. Heck I’m probably one of those pretentious gits because I call them the forces of nature specifically because I know they’re not genies.

[@robertlupa8273]

@@MousaThe14 Yeah I never liked calling them genies term either.

[@lorekeeper685]

​@@robertlupa8273 forces of nature are called kamis in japanse I think? Maybe lake trio too I heard both

[@FiniteMan1933]

Jesus i had no idea how many of these terms were actually fan made

[@x_bell1142]

I didn't either until I made this video!

[@ChicagoMel23]

Please don’t use Jesus as an exclamation

[@ItsCosmoTewulf]

​@@ChicagoMel23 It's not worth the energy getting upset over the language people use on the internet

[@Subreon]

@@ChicagoMel23 Arceus is what i use. because irl fairy tales are silly and stupid and lame and should be relegated purely to historical education rather than things to live by/for in the modern era. so replacing the term with a god's name that is intended to be fictional from the start is silly in a based way. arceus dammit! holy sinnoh! arceus sinnoh! oma! arceus take the wheel! lol

[@ha7vds]

Regigigas's Slow Start caused it to be late to the Regi family photo

[@x_bell1142]

True

[@hhjan594]

As a Japanese speaker I was about to comment on the inclusion of Archaludon in the Japanese term 600族 but you actually included this in your video! I'm so thrilled I had to drop a comment and sub! Nice work! The official term of Pesudo Legendary Pokemon in Japanese are however called 「大器晩成」なポケモン which translates to "Late bloomers" and was used in the merch line of Pseudo Legendary Pokemon families. Under the late bloomer definition unfortunately Archaludon can't fit in because it's not a late bloomer as you can evolve one at lv1.

[@PHiLLy2c]

Huh how

[@tay602_]

@@PHiLLy2cyou can evolve a duraladon at level 1 because it’s evolved with an item

[@JuiceBox000]

nicceeee

[@lorekeeper685]

Ohhh thats neat Cosmog is a late bloomer

[@theprinceofawesomeness]

I actually agree with the 600 stat thing. I personally think a Psudo-legendary is a pokemon that at the end of it's evolution have 600 or more total stats and is not a Legendary/Mythical. The only exception to my method is Slacking for the reason of Truant and just because it's laking that special feeling, i mean just look at it

[@LeviAuren]

I generally think that the Pokemon Company tries to shy away from game-y terms. "Starter", "pseudo-legendary/600 bst club" makes more sense when looked at as game elements, not as the experience within a pokemon journey.

[@wkdxcrimex]

If you ask me pseudo legends makes sense in all aspects of Pokémon whether it be the game referring to what it’s used for or in other media like the anime where it is essentially just local legends of super powerful Pokémon

[@johndinner4418]

@@wkdxcrimex but if it's local legends woudn't that make them legendary pokemon? Why would they be pseudo? I think it's hard to say they're any kind of legendary when they're a more common occurence in the world even if they're rare pokemon. Calling them would just not be very natural for it to catch on as a term in that world, imo.

[@cameraboimykul]

Ah, Watsonian and Doyalist perspectives, I can see why GameFreak lean towards the more in-universe terms

[@BryanLu0]

​@@wkdxcrimexWhy would be an in universe explanation for differentiating legendaries and pseudo-legendaries? What makes them "pseudo"?

[@chrisschoenthaler5184]

I’ll give you two of those, but there is absolutely nothing wrong with “Starter”.

[@ShayTheValiant]

I have absolutely no idea why Pokémon is trying so hard to push First Partner and Powerhouse as official terms when Starter and Pseudo-Legendary are perfectly fine.

[@Mario87456]

I don’t know why either but I really don’t like how Bulbapedia adopted the term for Starter Pokémon either, they should change it back.

[@x_bell1142]

Agreed

[@JJJacko123]

I think Pokémon go out of their way to not use fan made terms for some reason

[@ShayTheValiant]

@@JJJacko123 Shiny Pokémon and Eeveelution were both fan terms, but The Pokémon Company made them official.

[@saucymongoose7246]

The terms First Partner and Powerhouse sound so childish imo. Starter and Pseudo Legenday just fits so well.

[@MultiAmmar2000]

"First Partner Pokemon" is such an ugly term.

[@evilduckling3469]

It really is so awkward, I absolutley hate it 😕

[@KVO723]

Honestly, take out any one of those words and it makes more sense. First Partner, First Pokémon, or just Partner Pokémon

[@MultiAmmar2000]

@@KVO723 Completely agree

[@Eyevou]

They use "aibou" in japanese and it has a special context for them being someone's companion. Your first. "first partner" isn't a horrible translation but it loses the context of them being special as your first pokemon in some way. Calling them your "friend and partner" is probably the best context english can give.

[@--julian_]

agreed 100%, I'll never use it

[@mphorasethaba3726]

I prefer the term "Lati Twins" more than "eon duo"

[@notprogamer6]

That’s what I’m sayin

[@DragonTheOneDZA]

Same. Like nobody knows what eon means Those two are just jetplanes

[@asmrtpop2676]

I prefer eon twins

[@ma_cherri]

The latinx.

[@TwiliPaladin]

Never understood why the former term exists when we have the latter. It sounds stupid.

[@meischoice]

0:55 what the hell?! I didn’t realize that this was a community term? I always thought this was just how everyone said it… oh…I see now

[@hhjan594]

In the Japanese games the term for shiny Pokemon was always officially used as "色違いポケモン" which literally translates to "Alternate color Pokemon" which explains why this was a term option in Gen3 games. The English fandom however never really adopted to this term and stuck with shiny instead. Fun fact is the "Shiny charm" item is indeed literally called "Shiny charm" in Japanese, though its description still states "increases the chance of encountering shiny Pokemon".... only in BW2. It was changed to "shiny Pokemon" in the description in further games, as shiny more so used as an adjective instead of being an actual term, since in game when brought up by other NPCs they still called them "alt colored Pokemon" including Jacq who literally teaches biology in the school.

[@thebananaman419]

11:07 you forgot regigigas in the regis and people just call the swords of justice by the official name

[@x_bell1142]

I did not forget Regigigas. Regigigas is not considered part of the Legendary Giants, as it is the creator of the group, not a member of the group itself. And I would not disagree with you, I definitely feel that Swords of Justice is used more often than Legendary Muskateers - I guess I should have specified that sometimes the official terms are used more than the fan terms.

[@lantami1199]

@@x_bell1142 Regigigas might not be part of the Legendary Giants, but it is usually included when talking about the Regis, at least in my experience

[@_Just_Another_Guy]

​@@lantami1199 Regigas isn't included with the Regis quintet because it is their creator in the same way people never include Arceus as part of the Creation Trio or Lugia/Ho-Oh as part of the Legendary Birds/Legendary Beasts group.

[@bolttwo]

​@_Just_Another_Guy Except I see a lot more people refer to the Regis as including Regigigas. It especially helps that he has "Regi" in his name, so I feel like he deserves to be included among his children.

[@Mr_Leo_DS]

​Guy literally has "Regi" in it's name @@x_bell1142

[@RJV-s3l]

To be noted that in the Neo cards of the TCG, there were shiny Pokémon cards but they were named “Shining” Celebi, Magikarp etcetera..

[@x_bell1142]

Interesting, I should have included that!

[@Q-TebGamesNL]

​@@x_bell1142 In more recent cards, shinies are often called "radiant" (like the pretty famous radiant Charizard card) instead of Shining.

[@SapphireMan]

‘Starter’ was used by the Official Pokemon KZbin account when revealing the Hisuian Forms for the Legends: Arceus starters. The video’s title specifically says ‘Hisuian. Final. Starter. Evolutions’ EDIT: Here’s the video kzbin.info/www/bejne/m6rbeKmMd9GGerMsi=VJAnEbn64say7XVW Also, why are the Regis listed as a Quintet when there are 6 of them? Wouldn’t Sextet be more accurate as it would encompass Regirock, Regice, Registeel, Regieliki, Regidrago and Regigigas?

[@kristoffjensen625]

i think they classify Regigigas as their dad

[@maganhassan2627]

probably the last time you see them use it lol

[@Joyy_Da]

I don't think Regigigas "counts" per se. In the same way as Giratina, Dialga, Palkia and Arceus not being a Quartet. They're the Creation Trio, and Arceus leads them independently. This also extends to stuff like Ho-Oh and the Legendary Beasts and Lugia with the Legendary Dogs But yes Regigigas does maintain the naming convention, which does imply it's "a part" of the group

[@SapphireMan]

@@Joyy_Da That’s a valid point Also, since when was a sabre-tooth **TIGER** a dog?

[@theprinceofawesomeness]

Regigigas is clasified to be diferent from the other reggies. It would be like classifying a tree as grass even thoe they still are plants

[@meinthefuture789]

Regiggas watching the other Regis' get mentioned *Cries in Computer noises*

[@Miguel_I_guess]

He’s their father, he is actually proud they were mentioned

[@x_bell1142]

Bulbapedia does not list Regigigas as part of the Legendary Giants, but rather the creator of them

[@pflynn12]

​@@x_bell1142I'd still include him just because "Regi" is in the name

[@benmunn7481]

​@@x_bell1142 I was confused about this thanks

[@meinthefuture789]

@@x_bell1142 Oh cool, guess you learn something new everyday, thanks!

[@mcworks6582]

I honestly refer to Zacian, Zamazenta, and Eternatus as the Darkest Day Trio rather than just having the dogs be a duo, feels more fitting to have them be another legendary trio ESPECIALLY since the story of Sword & Shield includes all 3 of them like the Weather trio in Ruby & Sapphire

[@x_bell1142]

True

[@lordsceptile6181]

I've literally never heard the term "legendary Muskateers" my guess is its just an outdated term, because normally people just say swords of justice. Also I know people use the term "Lunar Duo" more for Cresselia/Darkrai, but I personally think the "Dream Duo" is more fitting and doesn't have any overlap with Lunala, the actual moon legendary.

[@x_bell1142]

True

[@ScionStorm1]

It just comes from the fact that the 4 of them are specifically based on the Three Musketeers. Which was always weird to me since that story is a French novel and Kalos was the very next region. It would have made more sense to hold them back and release them with the Kalos games. The Unova games already had an overabundance of Legendaries even without them.

[@Psyckonautic]

Funny enough, I’ve never heard someone use swords of justice but I have heard legendary musketeers used a number of times

[@SimonSaysDeath]

I personally refer to lunala as part of the "celestial duo" so I never think of them as lunar but ig it might confuse some

[@lordsceptile6181]

@@SimonSaysDeath Same, it’s just that lunar refers to the moon, so people who don’t know would probably assume the legendary of Pokémon Moon and meant to represent the moon, Lunala, would be apart of the lunar duo but it’s not.

[@rbikidportland]

I have the 2009 platinum official Pokémon guidebook, and it mentions “shiny Pokémon” on page 250. I had to go dig it up to make sure I wasn’t tripping but yes it says “Shiny Pokemon and the Mysterious Pokerus”, calling shinies a “rare pokemon with unusual coloration”

[@x_bell1142]

Interesting

[@Ryouski]

I still have my platinum book, I’ll have to find that myself!

[@logangallant9580]

Even tho I hate it I love the idea of first partner Pokémon. Adds 100x the amount of guilt if you decide to box them

[@x_bell1142]

True

[@bethdibartolomeo2042]

The only one I ever box is Sceptile. I've never gotten a good moveset out of one.

[@mattguy1773]

I still have no idea how some people see the legendary beasts as dogs since they’re all based on felines (suicune is probably a leopard) (entei is a lion) (and raikou is a saber tooth tiger)

[@SapphireMan]

The creator of the Beasts has said in an interview that they are based on cats, dogs and a few other things. That being said, how can people look at Raikou (a Sabre-tooth **TIGER**) and think “Yeah, that’s a dog”?

[@Zacvh1]

Idk entei looks way more like a dog to me. But it’s like trying to think if the eeveelutions are cats or dogs it’s a mix

[@SapphireMan]

@@Zacvh1 Compare Entei’s design to the Chinese Guardian Lion statues

[@saucymongoose7246]

I get so heated when people call them dogs.

[@Zacvh1]

​@@SapphireMan i think he looks like a tibetan mastiff. and the chinese lion statues look closer to a pitbull than a lion.

[@TheOopharianMan]

i thought i'd mention this since it wasn't talked about in the video, but i hear the "treasures of ruin" about as often as i hear the "ruinous quartet"

[@x_bell1142]

Makes sense because "Ruinous Legends" is also another correct term

[@obambagaming1467]

First Partner Pokemon is so much worse than Starter Pokemon

[@Hydraina]

Such a mouthful! We've been calling them starters for literally 30+ years lmfao

[@obambagaming1467]

@@Hydraina Powerhouse Pokemon is also much worse than Pseudo legendary. Like this would imply that other Pokemon can't be Powerhouses. Also Pseudo Legendaries makes even more sense now, since in that one leaked image showing the relationship between legendary Pokemon, Pseudo Legendaries were also included. So, even if it wasnt officially released, so not really canon, it kind of proves that GF had the idea to give Pseudo Legends (and appearently Gyarados as well) some connection to Legendaries.

[@x_bell1142]

Agreed

[@camronross]

First Partner of Partner Pokémon would've been better. "Starter" sounds kinda stupid imo

[@RyanReta97]

Like, the term partner Pokémon isn't even used that much, Not that I recall at least

[@casualsleepingdragon8501]

Gamefreak: *calls psudo-legendaries "power house Pokémon" Everyone: i see the council has come to a decision, but seeing that it's a stupid ass decision i've elected to ignore it

[@x_bell1142]

True

[@tpfoxCastro]

Although the term "starters" was rarely used in the games, it waas used a lot more on advertisement and social media posts

[@x_bell1142]

True

[@kirbyhasn9047]

Tbh the official terms pokemon wants to use like "powerhouse" first panther" are just trying too hard to be fancy, it sounds so generic and lame to use the term "powerhouse pokemon" nobody is going to use those official terms.

[@leaffinite2001]

Its probably the result of translation

[@luissaumeth8000]

Tbh the Pokemon company seems to sometimes just... Not know how to name things cause wdym "Super ancient Pokémon"? So relicanth is there too? Xerneas and Yveltak too cause they are inmortal? Or "Pokémon of myth" ok then, didn't Groudon create the land and Kyogre the sea? Wouldn't that make them Pokémon of Myth? Or Regigigas cause he made the continents???

[@InsomniacMatt]

Depending on context, First Partner doesn't sound awful, 'It's time to meet your First Partner' sorta thing

[@TheRedSmarty]

8:26 Latias & Latios do have the shared classification of Eon Pokémon unique to them, and both the guardian deities and legendary heroes are referred to by their unique shared Pokédex classifications sometimes so it could be considered kind of like an official term. The only other groups like this are the treasures of ruin, which are all Runious Pokémon, and the Loyal Three, which are all Retainer Pokémon. 10:23 The guardian deities also have even more names used to refer to them in-game than just guardian deities or Land Spirit Pokémon, and the tapu (no S when plural) is one of them.

[@TheDelybird]

Personally I would count Archaludon as a pseudo legendary. IMO the fan definition fell apart in gen 6 since Goodra was monotype, and IIRC gen 5 and earlier being dual type was a requirement. So I also prefer the 600 club rules but pseudo is such a clean term to use.

[@x_bell1142]

Didn't know that, good point!

[@kitsuaria]

To be fair, being "part of a 3 stage evolution and slow exp group" is somewhat arbitrary. And that existed mostly to keep Slaking out of the definition with its whopping 670 BST. Which the 600 Club still does a good job at separating.

[@DeuxisWasTaken]

Yeah, the 3-stage evo line is a very arbitrary restriction. The apparent dual type restriction pre-gen6 is even funnier, seeing how 2 of them are only dual type because GF insisted on making all basic dragons Dragon/Flying.

[@fairytypehuman]

The takeaway from this video is that GF/TPC absolutely sucks at naming things.

[@x_bell1142]

True

[@Mmacaroonn]

I heard some people call the legendary beasts (Raikou, Suicune, and Entei) the legendary dogs. I remember thinking "Raikou isn't a dog! Maybe the other two have an argument but Raikou?!" And that's how it stuck in my mind lol

[@x_bell1142]

Raikou is clearly some kind of Tiger

[@chadcharest9891]

We always called them the dogs. They're dog-ish, and given there were three birds before it made sense. Though, this was in the days of yore before most of us were using the Internet regularly and you bought players guides. So this may have been in isolated pockets.

[@megagamermax.]

4:32 The pokemon tcg used "Shining" to call it's shiny pokemon when they first came out in the mid-late neo sets way before that milotic

[@Mis7ina]

Feels weird to me the Aura Trio is called that, I would have expect it to be called something like "The Axis Trio" as they are literally shaped like X, Y and Z, which are used to represent dimensions of space

[@x_bell1142]

I think it has to do with their abilities, all of which involve aura (Fairy Aura, Dark Aura, Aura Break)

[@Doubl3_Black]

Also "axis trio" has some..bad connotations

[@lantami1199]

@@Doubl3_Black I didn't even think about that, lmao

[@Dukstless]

The trapping moves are officially called binding moves by the way, as seen in Binding Band's description.

[@x_bell1142]

Binding moves are actually a sub category within trapping moves, I actually made a video covering this

[@Lucario7280]

Starter has also been used in PLA teasing the regional variants.

[@x_bell1142]

True

[@Joceyrachi]

This was a great video idea! Also I've heard the Gen 5 goats called the Muskedeers as well lol. Obligatory "which does not have an official name"

[@DragonTheOneDZA]

This is the first time in my life that I have ever heard someone call the swords of justice goats Please keep the counter at one. Coballion is the only one that somewhat looks like a goat

[@Joceyrachi]

@DragonTheOneDZA I just used goats because I didn't feel like typing Swords of Justice

[@x_bell1142]

Gen 5 goats is a great name

[@Joceyrachi]

@x_bell1142 We who the real GOAT is tho 👀 haha

[@aspiringwayfarer]

@@Joceyrachi Muskedeers is hilarious and definitely what I will be calling them from now on

[@Kanbei11]

1:01 Cries in Pokémon yellow

[@tomcruise5039]

First video I ever watched on you channel, I really love your calm and informative style I really hate the forced disney/marvel type humor nowadays in every youtube video, so this was really refreshing Thanks for the video and keep up the good work!

[@x_bell1142]

Thanks for the comment!

[@thelittleghost3784]

I’ve heard the swords of justice referred to as just Musketeers once or twice (not legendary musketeers tho) which makes sense cause I think that was an inspiration. But yeah I think the official term is used more.

[@Eyevou]

In Japanese they use "aibou" (あいぼう) which, when translated, literally means "partner" or "companion". First partner isn't a horrible translation but it loses some of the context of them being special, which they show in game as them being typically stronger than other pokemon statwise.

[@HA-pu6ce]

no we don't, have heard anyone refer them as 相棒 neither in Internet nor IRL. We say 御三家(Gosanke/The three families).

[@Eyevou]

​@@HA-pu6ce I heard the term most prominently during the Pokemon Pikachu and Eevee days when referring to the starter. Satoshi uses it a lot with his Pikachu in the anime. All of my information comes from interviews where Gamefreak employees talk about the starters. I wasn't familiar with the terms that Japanese fans used. Thank you for letting me know.

[@Chupilandia2014]

8:51 the motorcycle duo

[@x_bell1142]

True

[@SlimJimGames]

Eeveelution was recently used again in a promo for the TCG set Prismatic Evolutions on their KZbin page. Another interesting one, according to the Nintendo Music app the Treasures of Ruin are officially called "Calamity Pokémon"

[@x_bell1142]

Calamity Pokémon is another name for them, they don't just have one official name

[@notprogamer6]

I was so surprised that it was called the eon duo. I always referred to Latias and latios ad the Lati twins

[@eglol]

Wow. I haven't ever heard Lati Twins until this comment section !! And always called them the Eon Duo, which I've liked for lore reasons.

[@xkcloud]

​@@eglol Same! I've never heard of Lati twins. They were always the Eon Duo.

[@lucideirune1635]

Shiny actually came from the term shining which was used to describe shiny Pokemon in the TCG Eeveelution was also the name of a TCG deck.

[@x_bell1142]

Didn't know that about the word shiny, I should have included that. I did include the Eevelution TCG deck in the video though

[@KingJH0510]

Heres these terms, but in japanese Starter- 御三家 Gosanke, meaning '3 families' Psuedo-legendary- 600族Roppyaku-zoku, meaning '600 club', referencing their base stat total Shiny- 色違い Irochigai, meaning 'different color' Eeveelutions- イーブイズEevees, Masuda method- 国際孵化 Kokusaifuka, meaning 'international breeding' The others dont really have a japanese equivalent term

[@Unownshipper]

This was useful, thanks. I'd heard some of these terms but didn't know how they fit in.

[@tpfoxCastro]

Nah man, I know this franchise more than I know myself and I NEVER heard those terms for legendary duos. You had to dig DEEP to find those lmao

[@yellowtheyellow]

Eon Duo is pretty popular

[@charsage1036]

Also at least for me part of why shiny works so well is because it has it's own term instead of just rare colored pokemon as shiny pokemon sounds and feels more special than just a rare colored pokemon.

[@x_bell1142]

True

[@Pearl_Blossom]

10:23 is the one fan term that I don't like and think we all collectively need to scrap, they literally are not based on genies at all, they're kami (Shinto gods and spirits)

[@x_bell1142]

I feel like people know that they aren't genies, they just look like them. Thundurus in particular has a striking resemblance to the Aladdin Genie.

[@Zacvh1]

Every pokemon is a kami 😭

[@maverickplays25]

​@@Zacvh1No, most of them are based on animals, yokai and mythical creatures.

[@Zacvh1]

@@maverickplays25 what is the difference between yokai, kami, and mythical creature.

[@90percentzebra]

the Reggie jumpscare is a good addition lol

[@dr.bentenjaminoctaviusocto1658]

The Regis are also sometimes called the legendary titans, and sometimes include gigas

[@x_bell1142]

True, that is another name for them that I should have mentioned

[@IJustAnimateThatsTheJist]

There’s also two trainers in a house in Nimbasa City in Black/White games that talk about catching a “shiny” Krokorok with colors that are different from the original form.

[@x_bell1142]

Interesting!

[@nathanh2523]

"eeveelution" is a portmanteau , not a pun. although, are portmanteau's a type of pun?

[@Pearl_Blossom]

Puns are intended to be mildly comedic, the term Eeveelution is just supposed to be a convenient way to refer to Eevee's evolutions

[@nathanh2523]

@@Pearl_Blossom a pun is just a play on words. doesnt necessarily have to be comedic. portmanteaus are *kind of* a play on words, but i would argue that its more like playing WITH words as opposed to the former.

[@evilded2]

​@@Pearl_Blossoma pun is using a homophone while a portmanteau is a combination two words. For instance motor + hotel = motel Eevee + evolution = Eeveelution

[@x_bell1142]

I didn't know that!

[@dirgenmeister4018]

ive heard lati twins more than the eon duo. also raikou entei and suicune get talked about so little that the only fan term ive ever heard is "rare puppers" and i heard it once

[@BipedAthlete851]

This is probably just me and my friends, but we have always referred to Mew and Mewtwo as the Two-Mews

[@eglol]

Ohhh I like that.

[@falsnamae3511]

In the rare cases of needing to refer to both at once, I just truncate the name: Mew 'n Two.

[@TFGA_tFoMS]

Missed opportunity to call the Mew Duo the Mewuo

[@x_bell1142]

True

[@iuqz]

Naming legendary groups made me think of categorizing it. Oficially, every legendary is just legenday (even mythicals are referred as legendary), but they do have a lot of difference that would be better to categorize. For example, box art legendaries are commonly more powerful than other "minor legendaries", vgc people call them restricted, but restricted does include legendaries that aren't box art such as calyrex or regigigas. Maybe a video categorizing them would be nice

[@x_bell1142]

Thanks for the idea!

[@Zacvh1]

Yeah I still don’t know if ultra beasts are legendary to this day

[@fruit3193]

In my opinion, all starters are first partners, but not all first partners are starters. Starters are the specific trios from each generation (plus arguably Pikachu and Eevee), whereas first partners can include Tierno’s Corphish, Wally’s Ralts, etc. which were those characters’ first Pokémon they owned.

[@x_bell1142]

True

[@ThedHomie]

Interesting how in Pokémon Masters, the Tapu theme is listed as originating from (Battle! Tapu) instead of (Battle! Guardian Deities). This is interesting cuz for the Weather Trios theme in Masters, it uses their official name

[@TheRedSmarty]

@@ThedHomie That's because tapu is also an official term for them, the group is reffered to by many different names in Sun & Moon.

[@kyurei4478]

Very unique and interesting video that you made here. That's the type of videos that can serve as a good ressource.

[@x_bell1142]

Thanks!

[@evilded2]

Eeveelution is a portmanteau not a pun.

[@x_bell1142]

oops

[@datnastysalad5616]

many portmanteaus are also puns

[@Skalvern]

A big term for competitive players is EVs/IVs, to the point when official tournaments are casted they never refer to EVs or IVs only that "that pokemon was trained to be Offensive/Defensive/Fast)

[@x_bell1142]

I did not know that!

[@dontaedon5182]

I usually refer to the "genies" as the Kamis Because...there incarnate form are genie looking...thats it...its pure coincidence. When they take more inspirational from Japanese and Chinese Mythology

[@sonicfannin6701]

3:26 actually, now that I think about it, I think powerhouse may just a localization of “600 club”, given that the name only references stats. I still prefer the pseudo-legendary category in the end though. Edit: misclick, posted mid-compose

[@jvbon646]

3:09 "Pseudo - Legendaries" have also being called "Late Bloomers" in some merch in the past Powerhouse is a much better term tho, but most people will still call them Pseudo Legendaries cuz it was the first thing they learned. Powerhouse is an accurate descriptor of what they are, in lore they are the top dogs above every other mon. They rank above the rest of the "regular" mons. Pseudo-Legendary is focusing on denoting something that they aren't.

[@sewd1289]

I've heard the legendary beasts be referred to as the legendary dogs interchangeably, but I've never heard legendary birds before, I always heard them be called the elemental birds, it's cool seeing what's common for other people

[@x_bell1142]

Legendary Dogs is another commonly used name for them, I should have mentioned that

[@hanaruroa830]

@@x_bell1142 @sewd1289 Legendary Dogs Is becoming an outdated term as people are finally old enough to look at the design inspirations, and these are more so cats. Suicune is a leopard, Entei a a lion, and Raikou a tiger

[@AjLyfts]

I’m surprised how many of these terms were never official to begin with.

[@x_bell1142]

Me too

[@MarshtompGames]

10:37 I don't wanna be that guy, but according to the official OST of Scarlet and Violet, they're called "Calamity Pokémon."

[@x_bell1142]

I should have included this, but I don't know why people act like there aren't multiple correct ways of referring to a legendary group. Calamity Pokémon, Ruinous Legends, and Treasures of Ruin are all correct terms, there's not just one term.

[@SadGreenBish]

Pseudo-legendary is definitely the term that makes the most sense, the requirements are just way too arbitrary. The 600 Club requirements make the most sense

[@s.e.n3264]

Legendary musketeers???? What!?!?!

[@mrmuffins951]

I can’t believe HM Slave didn’t become an official term with how well Bidoof fit that role

[@Incineroarlove]

Can't tell if you're joking or not

[@x_bell1142]

"HM Mule" is the term that Bulbapedia likes to use

[@wintergray1221]

A God can't be a slave.

[@skyeplaysgames4598]

Quick note that this video became outdated, as Nintendo Music refers to the Treasures of Ruin as "Cataclysm Pokémon" via the title of their theme

[@x_bell1142]

Treasures of Ruin is still a correct name, there can be multiple correct names

[@nestlenightmare]

The “super ancient” Pokémon? Wow, that’s pretty terrible.

[@dingola_]

"It's not just an ancient, but a *SPECIAL* ancient, who is very old"

[@falsnamae3511]

A synonym for "super ancient" would be "primal". Like... Primal Groudon and Primal Kyogre. Mega Ray is an honorary member. Primal trio would be much better than "Super Ancient", if only because Gamefreak already labelled two of them with the Primal (Reversion) label.

[@_Just_Another_Guy]

" _Nintendo_ , stop trying to make _First Partner Pokémon_ happen. It's not going to happen." - _Regina George_ if she was a Pokémon fan

[@RealSkello]

10:53 Since there’s six it should be a…sextet

[@leaffinite2001]

Regigigas is their boss, like arceus and the creation trio

[@x_bell1142]

Bulbapedia does not list Regigigas as part of the Legendary Giants, but rather the creator of them

[@RealSkello]

@@x_bell1142 I always lump him in tbh

[@PrincessAmanda2290]

@@x_bell1142 he’s still part of the group Reggie is in his name

[@ra_supreme9803]

@@PrincessAmanda2290no

[@klutchsensei2899]

Really good content! How do you not have more subs?

[@x_bell1142]

Thanks!

[@toussaintmaxymus4377]

Nice video, I just looked and youtube unsub me for some reason, anyways I'm happy someone also think Archaludon should be a pseudo-legendary.

[@x_bell1142]

Thanks!

[@pewpewgeni1441]

In Italy we also have some competitive terms: balls touch (For when both players in battle hit with fake out the non fake out mon of the other player), crit Pardiniano (Useless critical hit), passamontagnata (When somebody wins for undeserved reasons), balls rating (when both players use tailwind with the same mon at the same time), call (When you predict something rng based) and invisible sash (When a Pokémon tanks to 1 HP a move without focus sash)

[@John-Chp3-ver16]

(This is a little long, so I apologize in advance.) For the Weather Trio and the Forces of Nature, I feel like their group names should be swapped. Rayqauza, Groudon, and Kyoger represent the sky, the earth, and the ocean; that has nothing to do with weather, but rather they represent the different states of matter, or different elements, on our planet. “The Forces of Nature” just makes more sense for these elemental creatures. Or even something like “The Elemental Trio”. As for the genies, Thunderous and Tornadous are the only two that make sense to be called “weather Pokémon”, since Landorous is in the same boat as Groudon(dirt is not a weather condition), and the pink one is based on emotions, which has even less to do with weather. I feel like “The Genies” is the only name that truly fits the entire group. What do you all think?

[@martell5437]

nah, i sorta agree

[@x_bell1142]

I still feel like Rayquaza, Groudon, and Kyogre have too much to do with weather for this to make sense. Groudon and Kyogre literally change the weather with their abilities and Rayquaza neutralizes weather with its abilities. From a lore perspective, I could maybe see this though, but including how they actually function in game, I think this is a bit of a stretch.

[@John-Chp3-ver16]

@@x_bell1142 That’s actually a very good point. I hadn’t even considered their abilities. I feel like it could go either way, though. As far as their bodies and typing go, they resemble different aspects of nature: earth, sky, and water. But then again, they have unique abilities specifically designed for weather manipulation. Anyways, thanks for pointing that out.

[@julioulloa5403]

What a great sum of information! I dont remember if i heard before the mosketeers, but i know i knew. In fact my first ones all called for them (aramis, portos, dartagnan and athos)

[@x_bell1142]

Thanks!

[@ericlang7987]

I wouldn't really consider Archaludon "pseudo-legendary" because it doesn't have three evolutionary phases.

[@Revoltine]

Not to mention the whole evolutionary line itself didn't even originate from the same gen.

[@FR3SH180]

yk ball

[@robertlupa8273]

it matches the Japanese name "600 club" and the less restrictive definition, so I guess there's that

[@Incineroarlove]

And it doesn't evolve by level up

[@tyyyyyyyy14]

Pikaclone- A Pokémon that resembles, or is seemingly inspired by, Pikachu.

[@x_bell1142]

True, I forgot that one

[@KoigYT]

Fan Terms are 10x better than Gamefreak terms

[@x_bell1142]

True

[@dotfflan]

Wouldve been neat to see terms used by competive players, like OU, UU, IV and so on. Would really help people like me who are just starting to get into comp

[@x_bell1142]

IV and EV would have been good ones to include, but terms like OU, UU, RU, etc. have never been used remotely canonically since these are fan terms of a fan made competitive format (Smogon)

[@Sailor-Khione]

Sorry but I've been using starter and pseudo legendary so many times, I can't change it. Also the term Eeveelution was also used with a pokemon theme box. I call suicine, enti and raiku the legendary beast, not dogs. Not all of them look like dogs at all.

[@robertlupa8273]

"Beasts" is a cooler word anyway.

[@x_bell1142]

I will not be changing it either

[@AlClem]

Poor Regigigas! That slow start boy must’ve been late to the video edit haha :)

[@x_bell1142]

True

[@alexgrissom3513]

8:26 I always liked “Lati@s” better

[@TheDeathmail]

Should be noted that some of these fan terms actually came from official sources. Shiny was actually used by official media and the card game even called them shining pokémon.... Same with the term legendary beasts and legendary dogs.... They also started from official pokémon media even though they aren't the Canon terms....

[@Jonathan-w1n]

Technically, the Regis are a Sextet because Regigigas exists.

[@minmin8580]

Technically, not really cuz Regigigas is their boss/creator like how Arceus is to the creation trio and lake guardians.

[@robertlupa8273]

I know that's probably not the right word but let's _please_ call them a Hexet instead. o.o

[@x_bell1142]

Bulbapedia does not list Regigigas as part of the Legendary Giants, but rather the creator of them

[@bujustic]

​​@@robertlupa8273 Hex is Greek, Sex is Latin. The tets follow Latin, which is why its wrong. Unus, Duo, Trēs, Quattor, Sex, Septum, Octō, Novem, Decem 😊

[@minecraftmatthew1393]

I’ve heard some people call the ‘Treasure of Ruin’ the “Ruinous Quartet” before, but I prefer the official name.

[@connorutt9]

The Nintendo music app refers to the theme as Battle! (Calamity Pokémon)