Canyon Lux Trail Review | A modern XC bike that's business out back, party up front

[@offthemaps]

I've had a Lux Trail CF6 for about a year now and just watched this out of interest. This was a phenomenal review with all relevant information and no garbage. After riding the bike a year, all of what you said still makes sense. Well done!!

[@Tequila628]

Wil, you're THE best mtb reviewer! Your reviews are always understandable, clear and straight to the point. Like I rode the bike myself.

[@FlowMountainBikeYouTube]

Ah mate, thank you so much for the feedback, that's totally made my day! Glad you enjoy the reviews - we love to do them, so we'll keep 'em coming! [Wil]

[@jaymueller2418]

For what it’s worth, I have a Lux Trail (albeit the SRAM GX equipped one) and he’s basically spot on with my experience, though I think the Fox rear shock on the one he tested is probably superior.

[@Tequila628]

@@jaymueller2418 I have a Spectral 6.0 2019 and Wil is absolutely spot on with his review too.

[@GFClocked]

@@jaymueller2418 since you have the bike, can I ask you about the sizing - how tall are you and what size did you get (if you have extra long legs or torso lemme know)? Does the bike feel too big, small, just right? Did you have to change the bars, stem, or move the seat to make it work? What kind of trails do you ride - fast and wide open (desert style), or twisty tight forest singletrack? Right now I'm looking at the sizing as I'm 187cm(6'1.5") and even though they suggest Large I feel like I'd be on XL with 500reach if I was going to buy an Ibis Exie equivalent bike in canyon range for example. I kind of trust ibis a bit more when it comes to the geo, but I can't really afford one so I'm kind of trying to get an" exie knockoff" from canyon if you get my drift. Would love to know your experience and thoughts about the bike. Thank you

[@thebluelion3337]

Great review guys! I've always wondered why you guys don't put out more videos. MTB content is taking off right now and all the big outlets are investing heavily in content - I really think you guys have the edge in how well your videos are put together.

[@FlowMountainBikeYouTube]

Thanks for the feedback mate, glad you enjoyed it! Given our size, I reckon we do well to punch above our weight, particularly amongst all the big media outlets. We're also very proud to be a 100% independent and rider-owned business, and we absolutely love what we do! We'd love to have the budget of the Vitals and Pinkbikes of the world so we could put out more videos, but it's tricky for us being such a small team of three. These video reviews take a lot of time to put together, and they also cost us quite a lot of money, so there's a limit as to how much we can produce. For that reason, there are load more reviews on the website, so it's worth checking them out if you've not had the chance to do so already flowmountainbike.com/reviews/ Thanks again for your feedback and cheers for watching! [Wil]

[@Jacob99174]

You boys Down Under do excellent reviews! Love watching these

[@Max-dj5qj]

For sure a nice bike, but can't imagine that it holds up if you really beat it hard. All Canyon owner I know with different trail and enduro bikes have problems with broken chainstays... Models between 2017-2021. So for me, no more Canyon, the service is horrible, if it comes to warranty issues. So I my choice was between a stumpjumper, ibis ripley af or a transition spur. I choose the Spur, and what should I say. That's a crazy good bike with only 120mm. For sure, all bikes from all companies are too expensive... Specialized pumped up the 22th models again up around 17%!!! That's a 800-1000€ plus for each model. Come on... That's not Corona reasons 🤔. Keep up the good work, like your Chanel a lot!

[@shwndh]

This was a VERY good review. You addressed all the areas I had concerns/curiosities about. Excellent job!

[@popolnisch]

Great review! One thing I wanted to comment: you said that the cockpit is messy because of the dual lockout and you maybe just get rid off it- I thought exactly the same on my Orbea Oiz TR: I don’t need the remote lockout and want my cockpit cleaner - BUT both the fork and shock are push to unlock. So if you simply just remove the lockout’s and cables your whole suspension will be locked. After some research with Fox I found out that it takes big hardware changes on the fork + shock to convert them from remote lockout to normal lockout. On the fork you have to change the cartridge for 250 € part-costs and on the shock you have to change the whole upper body. So it’s a huge deal unfortunately and not just a 5 min job removing the cables. These suspensions are internally designed for remote lockout and together with “push to unlock” it gets complicated if you want to get rid of it. Cheers.

[@FlowMountainBikeYouTube]

Thanks for the feedback mate! I hear you on the push-to-unlock system - it works great for the most part, and you get a really nice light action at the lever, but it can introduce some problems if you break a cable or want to remove the remote. On the Lux Trail it's a push-to-lock system, so you can remove the remote if needed and the default suspension position is open. I think I'll keep the remote for now anyway, as I quite like being able to setup the suspension in a softer position for descending, while still having that firmer compression setting for the climbs. [Wil]

[@GFClocked]

An absolute disgrace these remote lock outs are if you ask me, I can't understand why in the world you would clutter things up so much for a non pro racer, especially without an easy option to remove it, and not to mention especially on a bike like lux trail that already has super hard peddling platform. If you're already sacrificing the small bump compliance why even have the lockout, especially since this bike is not meant for pros.

[@popolnisch]

@@GFClocked I totally agree. When I bought the Oiz, I thought it’s a cool thing with the double lockout and was proud of having it but now I know better and will do whatever it takes to get rid of it.

[@bradpamp5699]

Best MTB Bike Review presenter on YT!

[@FlowMountainBikeYouTube]

Pwoarr thanks Brad, that's kind of you to say! Glad you're digging the videos! [Wil]

[@Dr4g0nW00d]

I agree with the saddle choice I got the same and I'm very happy with it

[@laramargaret3374]

Great bike, Great price, Great service

[@jaymueller2418]

Superb review, Will. I have the Lux Trail CF 8, and it’s good but definitely feel the rear suspension is not as good as the front. It’s still a great bike, but it feels like the rear end of a 100mm race bike and the front end of a different, more beautiful beast. Heaps of fun, though, and so fast.

[@FlowMountainBikeYouTube]

Right on Jay, thanks for the feedback! It's a curious bike hey? I've spoken to quite a few people who were expecting the Lux Trail to be closer to a trail bike, so I think there will be people who will find the rear suspension to be too racy and firm for their liking. I did find running 30% sag on the rear shock definitely improved activity and achieved a better balance with the fork, but I then needed to make more use of the remote system to stabilise the rear suspension on the climbs. The Lux Trail models fitted with Fox suspension have a 3-position system with Open/Trail/Firm settings, and it's that middle Trail setting that works the best on technical climbs. On your Lux Trail CF 8 though, the RockShox SID fork and Deluxe shock are only two position right? With either Open or Locked settings? [Wil]

[@jacksonyan1511]

@@FlowMountainBikeKZbin dang, that's a bummer. I have the cf8 as well and can confirm the lockout setting only have 2 options, open and full lockout. Wish i knew before hand.

[@jaymueller2418]

@@FlowMountainBikeKZbin Yeah the SID and the Deluxe rear are either open or closed. I’ve probably been running the bike too firm as I’ve been so accustomed to having the Brain out back on my epic and also such high anti-squat that even on this efficient bike, any feedback feels like a lot. I’ve never had this much messing around setting up suspension before, though, always easy to make front and rear match. Not so with this bike. This bike is 1.4kg heavier than my epic and I’m heavy now and I’m still PR’ing tech climbs on it, so maybe the proof is in the pudding. Mine is going on a weight loss program with lighter everything and it will certainly be raceable for multi-day events that way and a solid daily driver. But not a trail bike!

[@maxMax-ns9pg]

Beautiful review, loved it!!

[@FlowMountainBikeYouTube]

Right on mate, thank you very much! [Wil]

[@fritsovid4463]

Any chance you're going to review the new Scott Spark RC in the near future? Would love to know how it stacks up against the Lux Trail.

[@FlowMountainBikeYouTube]

That's the plan! We should have a new Spark arriving at Flow HQ any day now, very much looking forward to seeing how it rides alongside all the other XC/trail bikes we've been testing lately! [Wil]

[@stephanwilliot2324]

I ordered the CF6, price quality ratio seemed great.

[@jannovak1802]

Hi, I am with my 184cm almost on bottom for L size, and canyon pages recommends L as well. I would like to inspire by your stem change from 60 to 45mm. Pls can you tell exactly which stem did you use? And do you recommend this change? Thank you! Greetings from Czech Republic

[@AlejandroGarciaIglesias]

Excellent review!

[@LukeNash90]

Wil, this was an incredible review! I'm really grateful for the effort put into this to provide an in depth insight to a bike I'm thoroughly considering. Your very informative replies to comments are on another level too and so much so, you answered my sizing dilemma. I'm on the cusp of L/XL and its now a no brainer to size down to get that more XC riding style. On the back of your superb knowledge, may I ask what you know about the DT Swiss XRC 1700 wheelset on the Lux Trail CF7. I am tempted to push the budget and go up a model from the CF6 however I can't find a review on these wheels to get an idea if its worth the extra money?! I say worth it, I'm sure carbon wheels are worth it, it's just whether these DT Swiss wheels in particular are good for the money?!

[@FlowMountainBikeYouTube]

Thanks for the feedback Luke, glad you found the review useful! Good question on the DT Swiss XRC 1700 wheelset - that isn't a stock option from DT Swiss, so I believe it's a specific OEM option, perhaps only for Canyon. I'm not sure, though I'd assume it has the same carbon rims as the XRC 1501 wheelset, with the cheaper 350 hubs and spokes from the XR 1700 wheelset. Either way, it'll be quite a bit lighter and stiffer than the alloy X 1900 wheelset on the CF 6, and likely a noticeable upgrade as a result. Hope that helps! [Wil]

[@tjedrentz]

I had the exact same question the DT Swiss “XRC” 1700 wheel set. I couldn’t find any information on the XRC 1700. However I think Wil’s reply helped within your post here. I do truly hope they’re carbon and not aluminum🤞

[@gabrielsantiago5752]

Thx Will for the review. I am 176 and thinking about getting the Lux trail (the one in the video). Some other reviewers didn‘t like the bike very much cause of its limited DC potential. For DC i own an Giant Trance Advanced and an BMC Agoinst One. So i am aiming for a fast MTB for smoother and fast marathon sessions and the option to carry 2 big bottles. I think you would recommend the bike for that purpose?! Would you go on an s-size frame?

[@lukaskrasny457]

hi, great video, but I can't decide between lux cf 7tr vs orbea m20tr. I ride screed and sometimes xc race. I want something faster uphill and downhill. or buy only xc version 100mm?

[@BladeBarn]

we need to see the base 4kusd version tested side by side with this model to see really what the extra 3grand gets you. basically bling or do the carbon wheels make that much of an honest performance and feel/effort difference

[@FlowMountainBikeYouTube]

That's a great question! I've ridden most of the components on the Lux Trail CF 6, so here's a quick comparison; - Weight: Canyon states a claimed weight of 12.1kg for the CF 6, so it'll be around a kilo heavier overall than the CF 9. - The frame is identical between all 4 Lux Trail models though. Same carbon, same geometry and same suspension design. - Fox 34 SC Performance fork: Similar chassis and the same EVOL air spring, but uses the cheaper GRIP damper, generally nice and plush but not as supportive at higher speeds. Around 100g heavier. - DT Swiss X 1900 wheels: This is for sure the biggest performance difference between the two bikes. Around 500g heavier than the XRC 1200 wheels (that's a big difference when it comes to wheels), and uses the cheaper 370 hubs with a pawl-based freehub mechanism. The XRC 1200 wheels get 180 hubs with ceramic bearings and the new Ratchet EXP mechanism. Significantly faster acceleration and more responsive on the trail, which you'd expect given these wheels retail for about $3K AUD on their own! - Shimano SLX groupset: Functionally excellent, shifting and braking is not far behind XTR at all. Long-term wear is arguably better with SLX due to the use of steel cassette sprockets and steel chainring teeth. Biggest weight difference is in the cranks (634g vs 468g for the Race Face Next SL cranks) and the cassette (527g vs 368g for XTR). - Transfer SL Performance Elite dropper post: Functionally identical, only difference is the Kashima coating, which is really just for looks. I am a sucker for the gold though 😂 - Race Face Ride cockpit: Alloy bar and a cheaper stem that are a bit heavier than the carbon Next SL bar on the CF 9. Not quite as stiff, though I personally think the carbon bars on the CF 9 are too stiff due to the larger 35mm diameter. So in direct comparison, I'd say the carbon wheels offer the biggest performance difference between the two bikes. You could potentially buy the entry-level CF 6 and upgrade the wheels down the line. In Australia though, if you did that and bought the DT Swiss XRC 1200 wheels separately, the price would work out almost the same - in which case you'd just buy the CF 9 and get the XTR upgrade, the Factory suspension, carbon bars and cranks etc. Either way, the handling and suspension performance is going to be very similar between all four Lux Trail models. It just depends how big of a deal the overall weight is to you, and perhaps how seriously you want to take your racing. Hope that helps mate! Wil

[@plasm980]

@@FlowMountainBikeKZbin Dang Wil, there's more useful content and insight *in the comments* to this video than most full blown web reviews. Tip of the hat to you, sir.

[@GFClocked]

@@FlowMountainBikeKZbin these comments are out of this world, spent like an hour reading and I'm just astounded how much work you put into this. Really amazing, thank you for your hard work!!!

[@palpatine1975]

I've always enjoyed ur bike reviews... U have the best bike reviews on youtube... I hope u can get ur hands on the 2022 BH lynx race carbon rc... Thanks and keep up the great work!! 👍

[@Ilovethisaccount500]

I will purchase the 4K USD model when it becomes available in the US. This will be my next bike for sure

[@yancy3987]

Can you review the mondraker podium hardtail that weighs 7kg?

[@esavirtanen6418]

How does the Lux Trail compare to the Neuron? I have the 2023 neuron and want to purchase a comfy xc bike but seems this is just marginally different.

[@BorisDesmond]

great review, thank you

[@NigelHealey]

Gday mate great review. Caught between deciding on this inaa CF6 and the Neutron CF9. You mentioned cockpit stretch, i am a.similar height 176cm and inseam od 83cm which puts me.on the cusp of Small and Medium. What would you reccomend size wise? I am not looking at any sort of facing, just decent all round fire trail riding, bit of bitumen, ease of climbing.

[@FlowMountainBikeYouTube]

Cheers Nigel! You're a fraction taller than me, so I reckon the Medium size will likely be the way to go. I did find the cockpit quite long out of the box, but tweaking the saddle position and fitting a 45mm stem had it feeling comfortable for me, and I preferred the handling with the shorter stem. If you were doing a lot of racing, sizing down to the Small would make sense, as you'd get a more aggressive cockpit with a lower stack height, and the option to run a longer stem if you wanted. That said, the Lux Trail is quite a racy bike overall with its firm and efficient rear suspension. In comparison, the Neuron is more upright in its riding position, and the rear suspension is smoother, more active and more comfortable. Of course it is heavier, and if you're only riding fire trails and some bitumen, then it could very well be overkill. If you do end up looking at the Neuron, definitely go for the Medium at your height! [Wil]

[@manargias]

Great review! Would you consider changing the chainring to something smaller? Isn't 34t too big for trail use?

[@FlowMountainBikeYouTube]

Hi there Dimitris! Of course it's personal preference, but I think for the type of bike the Lux Trail is, the 34T chainring is a good match for its efficient pedalling and responsive climbing performance. The 10-51T cassette has a wide spread and plenty of low-range available. On a heavier trail bike like the Canyon Neuron though, I'd agree with a smaller 32T chainring, or even a 30T chainring if you live in more mountainous terrain. [Wil]

[@fulldonkeymode8837]

You guys planning on doing the Cube AMS One11?

[@iffy_too4289]

Where are you doing your riding? That looks like around Bendigo with the rocks and iron barks. Im always looking for new trails in the area. 8:20 Ahh, I know. Where else did you record?

[@michaelmicallef668]

Looks like one tree hill behind the university. Home sweet home, but stuck in Sydney because of Covid 😭

[@paupujol-xicoy7868]

hi! thanks a lot for this review, it was very useful. In my case, I have long legs and a short back, so based on what you say... (huge reach), maybe I should go for the standard Lux instead of the Lux Trail... thoughts? thanks a lot again

[@FlowMountainBikeYouTube]

Hi there Pau! What size does Canyon recommend for your height? The Lux Trail certainly has a long reach, so if you're on the border between two sizes, it may be worth looking at the smaller of the two. As for the standard Lux, that is quite a bit shorter again, and it's designed to work with a longer stem and more aggressive riding position. It also has a steeper head angle for sharper steering, along with lighter weight components and faster tyres. It's a dedicated race bike, whereas the Lux Trail is more versatile. Either way, I'd have a close look at the reach and effective top tube measurements on both bikes, along with any bikes you've ridden previously. [Wil]

[@reygacutan3018]

I have the lux trail cf6. 2021 model that i want to upgrade the crank set with xtr with the 52 chain line do you think it will work well for the SLX group set?

[@coreymclernon]

Great review! Thanks 👌🏽

[@FlowMountainBikeYouTube]

Cheers Corey!

[@inspiredenergypodcast8414]

Awesome review, thanks so much. I'm considering the Lux Trail or the Neuron. What are your thoughts? Thanks

[@FlowMountainBikeYouTube]

Hi there! A few folks have asked this same question, so I've copied my previous response for you; The introduction of the Lux Trail has muddied the waters slightly, as the front-end geometry is so progressive with the 67.5-degree head angle and that huge 460mm reach (medium). And the 120mm travel fork is only 10mm off the 130mm fork on the Neuron. The ride quality on the trail is quite different between the two however. The Neuron is a more upright and comfortable trail bike. The reach is much shorter (433mm vs 460mm) and the stack is taller (614mm vs 600mm). This means you aren't stretched out as much over the cockpit, making it more comfortable for less flexible rides and those who are riding all-day long. On top of that, the rear suspension is much cushier. It's still very efficient to pedal, but compared to the Flex Stay suspension design on the Lux/Lux Trail it is significantly more active and is better at isolating the rider from the trail surface. The components on the Neuron reflect this. You get heavier duty tyres that are slower rolling but tougher and grippier. The Fox 34 is a heavier fork than the 34 SC, but it is plusher, more comfortable and less susceptible to torsional flex. In comparison, the Lux Trail is lighter, more aggressive, more efficient and overall much more of an XC bike. If you have any interest in XC/marathon/multi-day stage racing, the Lux Trail would be the easy pick out of the two. If racing doesn't interest you, and your preference is more for pure trail riding, and tackling rougher singletrack, that's where the Neuron would become the better option. Hope that helps mate! [Wil]

[@inspiredenergypodcast8414]

@@FlowMountainBikeKZbin Wil, this is best reply to a YT comment!! Thanks a million for your valuable insights and thoughts. Much appreciated. You're a legend!

[@AntonieBerg]

Hi Will, greetings from Holland! Just watched this video and the review of the Exceed. I have a Canyon Spectral now with 150mm at front and 140mm at the rear. I want to go back to a XC bike and can't choose between the Exceed and the Lux Trail. Help 😅

[@FlowMountainBikeYouTube]

Hi there Antonie! You have an interesting choice between the Exceed and the Lux Trail - if you want the lightest possible option for riding smooth trails and gravel, the Exceed would be the obvious choice. As soon as you are doing more technical XC riding, the suspension on the Lux Trail will offer more versatility and comfort, while allowing you to descend faster and with more confidence. It is still very efficient though, and I would happily race XC on it. Both are great bikes, but I think you will want to consider the type of riding you are likely to do to make sure you get the most appropriate option. Hope that helps! [Wil]

[@AntonieBerg]

@@FlowMountainBikeKZbin Thanks! I ordered a Lux World Cup!! I love the rear suspension on my Spectral but it's to much. So the Exceed (love the bike for it's looks and little weight) was not the right choise for me and the Lux Trail still has a lot of travel. That's why I choose the Lux World Cup with 100mm travel front and rear. Now looking for a dropperpost...

[@Wieber84]

Frothers? Like button engaged

[@larshinkel7542]

Thanks for the Review. Ìm thinking about buying ( Lux or Trekking Top fuel 2020/2021 Model). With the Lux Rear Short rear end With high Front i donˋt know how ist climbs / ride. I would acspect that the Front Wheel Dose come up quick with a few % climbing . I donˋt know wich why to Go know . Greetz

[@eckdavid2472]

Good informative review of the top-of-the-line Lux Trail, however, that's way out of my price range. How about tests on more affordable models?

[@timmyj2366]

I bought the entry level model during a Canyon sale a few weeks ago for $2500. Epic deal. I’ve had mountain bikes with better components, but the differences once your at the SLX level of componentry are trivial. It’s an awesome trail bike in my mind. I’ve owned a carbon Tall Boy, and Spark RC900, I’d place the Lux neck and neck with those other two bikes.

[@Sam-zd2nx]

Hey Wil, I'm 174cm with an inseam of 79cm which puts me right in between the two sizes. I'm less inclined to go for the small which Canyon suggests as I'm a medium or even ML on most over brands but I'm also wary of your comments that the sizing runs quite large. Could I get away with a medium you think?

[@FlowMountainBikeYouTube]

Good question Sam! We're a similar size - I stand at 175cm tall and have an inseam of 81cm. I initially felt the bike was too big for me, but once I changed the saddle and fitted a 45mm stem, the cockpit felt great. I also preferred the handling with the shorter stem. It's a bit weird having such a short stem on a lightweight XC bike, but it actually pairs great with the new longer and slacker front end. I spoke with Canyon's XC product manager, Julian Biefang, who acknowledged that he's running a 50mm stem on his personal bike. He also finds it more comfortable and prefers the handling that way. I suspect that future Lux Trail models will come standard with a 50mm stem out of the box. Anywho, given you're on the border between sizes, it might also come down to what you want out of the bike. I think you could size down to the Small and genuinely use it as a fully-fledged XC race bike. That would allow you to run a longer stem and narrower bars to suit that type of riding. If it's more for all-round use, the Medium size will give you added stability, and it will allow you to more comfortably run a shorter stem. For another size reference, Andrew Major over at NSMB.com has also ridden the Lux Trail, and he's about the same height (5'9" - 175cm). However, he chose a Large! From the sounds of his review, he's riding quite a bit steeper terrain. He also fitted his bike with a Minion DHR II tyre up front, so a different application for sure; nsmb.com/articles/2022-canyon-lux-trail/ Hope that helps Sam! [Wil]

[@Sam-zd2nx]

@@FlowMountainBikeKZbin Cheers for your thoughts Wil! Pulled the trigger on a medium CF6 (kept missing out whenever it became available for order but finally snagged one) Can't wait!

[@lachlanmcdermid8539]

An awesome review!! I am having doubts about size choice. I'm 173cm and hoping to use this bike for very long distance riding (I do alot of adventure racing with bike stages that can reach 100km+). Wondering if you had any thought on the more comfy size option? Either running with the S (which is reccomended for my size) or potentially bumping up to the M like you have with few tweaks. Any feedback is helpful :)

[@FlowMountainBikeYouTube]

Hey there Lachlan! You're a fraction shorter than me (173 vs 175cm) so there's a chance you may find the Medium frame size to be too stretched out, particularly for the long distance riding and racing you'll be doing. I ran a 45mm stem on the Medium frame, and I also shunted the saddle forwards. That ended up being quite comfortable for me, and I liked the handling with the shorter stem. I'm not sure I'd want to go any shorter than 40mm on the stem though, as there's a risk the steering would get a little too light. You might prefer a more neutral steering feel for long distance adventure racing. It's worth noting that the Small size is still quite generously proportioned with a 440mm reach measurement. This is actually very similar to the Medium size for the Merida Ninety-Six 8000 I tested recently, and the Medium size in the Specialized Epic EVO. Hopefully that helps Lachlan! [Wil]

[@lachlanmcdermid8539]

@@FlowMountainBikeKZbin Thank you so much for replying! Sounds like a S might make more sense for me and I intend to get a proper bike fit so can do some adjustments there. Have watched a bunch of reviews on this bike but yours was my favourite and the one I found the most informative. Thanks again :)

[@Dani-zh6lq]

Can you please tell me the brand and model of the saddle bag I see on the bike? Keep up with the excellent reviews! Cheers

[@FlowMountainBikeYouTube]

Hey there Dani! That's a Bontrager Elite Seat Pack I've had for years - great size and just a single strap to keep it tight up against the saddle and away from the dropper post. Not particularly fancy but I can highly recommend it! [Wil]

[@Dani-zh6lq]

@@FlowMountainBikeKZbin Thanks a lot Wil!

[@mathofmi2]

Hi thanks for the good info!! I'm 178cm, do you think a S size would be good for me?

[@FlowMountainBikeYouTube]

Thanks for watching the video and for the question Mathias! At 178cm, I reckon you'd be a better fit on the Medium size - you're a bit taller than me, and I was able to ride the Medium comfortably once I fitted a shorter stem. You'll most likely find the stock setup to work well at your height. Hope that helps! [Wil]

[@mathofmi2]

@@FlowMountainBikeKZbin alright thanks!

[@jackbnimbleist]

Is the crankset on this bike BB30?

[@colpaniservicevaltrompia4098]

DT SWISS XRC 1200 are hookless ? do you have to use only compatible tires ? thk

[@FlowMountainBikeYouTube]

Yes, they are hookless. Compatible with regular tubeless tyres and standard tubed tyres. [Wil]

[@EvilChem1st]

Hi Wil, great reviews! You've reviewed Neuron as well, could you briefly describe differences? Geometry is quite similar, with a bit longer reach on Lux Trail.

[@FlowMountainBikeYouTube]

Thanks for the feedback mate, and great question on the Neuron! The introduction of the Lux Trail has muddied the waters slightly, as the front-end geometry is so progressive with the 67.5-degree head angle and that huge 460mm reach (medium). And the 120mm travel fork is only 10mm off the 130mm fork on the Neuron. The ride quality on the trail is quite different between the two however. The Neuron is a more upright and comfortable trail bike. The reach is much shorter (433mm vs 460mm) and the stack is taller (614mm vs 600mm). This means you aren't stretched out as much over the cockpit, making it more comfortable for less flexible rides and those who are riding all-day long. On top of that, the rear suspension is much cushier. It's still very efficient to pedal, but compared to the Flex Stay suspension design on the Lux/Lux Trail it is significantly more active and is better at isolating the rider from the trail surface. The components on the Neuron reflect this. You get heavier duty tyres that are slower rolling but tougher and grippier. The Fox 34 is a heavier fork than the 34 SC, but it is plusher, more comfortable and less susceptible to torsional flex. In comparison, the Lux Trail is lighter, more aggressive, more efficient and overall much more of an XC bike. If you have any interest in XC/marathon/multi-day stage racing, the Lux Trail would be the easy pick out of the two. If racing doesn't interest you, and your preference is more for pure trail riding, and tackling rougher singletrack, that's where the Neuron would become the better option. Hope that helps mate! [Wil]

[@EvilChem1st]

@@FlowMountainBikeKZbin Thanks for such full response, helped a lot! Looks like I will stick with Neuron AL, because I am not after speed, rather comfort, + I am heavier rider at 100 kg, such light bike as Lux Trail might not do for me. Thanks again! Subscribed.

[@semmtexcze]

Hi, does it mean that Lux Trail is not comfortable for all day adventures? Thank you

[@ManuelMartinez09]

I was wondering if everybody has such sensitivity to notice those differences in angles... sometimes your own bike feels weird... Bar width and stem length on the other hand are IMHO the most noticeable changes even if they are small ones.

[@GFClocked]

Is there a way to convert fox2022 suspension from remote to click/knob style? Or do I have to change the damper to do this? (specifically thinking of cf6 with Grip damper)

[@FlowMountainBikeYouTube]

Hi there! Yep, you'll need a different damper if you want to ditch the remote lockout system for a crown-mounted lockout. Same for the rear shock too. It's not a particularly cheap process, though if you can find someone who wants to go the other way (who wants to fit a remote lockout system to their bike), then it can work out reasonably well. [Wil]

[@GFClocked]

@@FlowMountainBikeKZbin thank you so much for the reply.

[@Mardegente2024]

For someone whos is looking for some more capability on the descents but still wants some Strava bragging rights, which one would you choose? Specialized Epic Evo Expert or this Canyon Lux Trail?

[@FlowMountainBikeYouTube]

Hey there Carlos! Good news mate - we've got a detailed comparison between the Epic EVO and the Lux Trail in the full review right here: flowmountainbike.com/tests/canyon-lux-trail-review-2022/ Hope that helps! [Wil]

[@Mardegente2024]

@@FlowMountainBikeKZbin read your article but still on the fence. The Canyon seems to be the best option. Value wise it's not even close. But that paint job... God it's an acquired taste, I hope.

[@GFClocked]

@@Mardegente2024 why even go for this build kit though, all other ones seem much more appealing to me.

[@Mardegente2024]

@@GFClocked weight and components, basically. The value is incredible

[@GFClocked]

@@Mardegente2024 I'm thinking of spilling my beans on cf6, THAT is excellent value. I'm just scared of horror stories from canyon support... Everything from snapping seat stays, damage while shipping, missing parts on bearing mounting, cracking on welds, etc. I've read so many 3-4, even 8 months waiting times to get issues resolved that even if the bike is perfect I'm just scared shitless if I get an issue with the bike I'm pretty much stranded. If I was in your shoes and could afford a 7k bike or whatever it is - I would go to specialized or any other respectable brand. But there are no alternatives for cf6 price so I'm kinda stuck if I want this type of bike.

[@smuy3782]

Good luck with that Fox warranty 😏 I only just got a Float X2 back after they had it for 3 months and can't even submit a claim for a 36 with a bushing issue as they aren't accepting warranty work until further notice! Easily the worst Aftersales in the industry paired with poor QC for what they charge.

[@FlowMountainBikeYouTube]

Hey there Sean! We just had the Transfer SL dropper post come back from warranty this week, so around a 2-week turnaround for the repair. I think it was a bit slow to get to Fox in Sydney to begin with, as there have been some delays with postage and couriers in NSW due to the pandemic. [Wil]

[@smuy3782]

@@FlowMountainBikeKZbin good to hear your experience was as it should be Will. Unfortunately there will alway be bias towards people who have influence, which isn't your fault and I don't blame Fox either, it makes sense to do so. The transition from Sola to Fox Factory wasn't smooth, and there are parts and courier delays but every other supplier will go out of their way to keep you riding but these guys don't seem to care. Aftersales support is a really important consideration when buying something and unfortunately it's difficult to find that information. I'm from a bike shop so I have plenty of experience from most suppliers and I personally have bikes that run Sram, Rockshox, Shimano and Fox and I think they all perform great so I'm not biased against a brand. Just sharing my experience.

[@SuperGh0stie]

Thanks for the great review. Can you share your experience with Canyon’s customer service? There seem to be quite a few bad reviews of the company online

[@timmyj2366]

I’ve bought three bikes from Canyon over the past three years. Wrecked my bike and they’re service was stellar through the repair process. Had a blemish on one bike I bought and they reimbursed me $250. I recently bought the Lux size large and decided to return for a medium, all smooth there too.

[@texwallis]

When a 6 year old picks the color scheme. ;) Great review again!

[@FlowMountainBikeYouTube]

It's pretty bright hey Brett! I really dig the bright 'Emily Batty Limited Edition' paint job, though I did have a pal who said it was far too 80s for his liking 😂 Still, I reckon it's just nice to see Canyon doing bikes that aren't entirely black for a change! [Wil]

[@keithalexander3306]

Hi Will, Greetings from Canada 🇨🇦. I really like your channel, and all the content you post. I’m getting more and more into the sport of mountain bikes. I’m looking for your input into a major bike purchase. My interest are definitely in the fitness field. I love training, and riding has become a major part of my training. I’m a daily rider 20km - 30km, Monday to Friday, so 5 to 6 rides a week. I have a pretty wide background in riding. I started as bike courier in our city, and rode for 3 years in a almost solid city centre environment. Then, I got into road bikes, and was a member of a long distance charity relay team. I currently ride for pure enjoyment, health and fitness, having said that, I ride hard and fast. I currently ride a Argon 18 Cobalt (fitness: rigid bike) it’s aluminum with carbon fork and a Shimano Deore LX component group. I’m planning on adding / upgrading, to a full suspension mountain bike to my riding/training. I am currently looking at Canyon Mountain Bikes. I like 2 of their bikes; 1) Lux CF 7 (not the trail version, so no dropper post) and the Neuron CF 9. Most of riding is done on gravel and wood chip trails, in and around the city I live in. I’d like the advantage of being able to lockout the suspension and ride fast rigid, but also ride aggressively through some bendy, river trails that have a bit of up and downs. I will also ride a bit in solid concrete environments around downtown. I’m actually a little intimidated by the dropper post, no idea why, no experience with using one. I like the lux, it looks fast and light. I like the neuron cause it looks tuff and rugged. I like a speedy ride, so I’m always thinking about weight. Both bikes come with good rims and tires. Eventually, I may try to add an obscure tire set to this bike. Specifically a set of Maxxis Hookworms 2.5 X 29 (I know, weird tires, they might be perfect for my morning commute into work). I’d be interested in your thoughts on these bikes, or any other bikes you think I should have a look at, for the riding I’ve described. Cheers, Keith

[@predragjovanovic4341]

Has it ever crossed your mind that, with saddle pushed all the way forward, and stem cut in half, you were actually riding effective size M?

[@lukefarrell117]

This or the orbea oiz tr? That’s what I’m between as a new xc race bike, that is for a lil more than xc.

[@lukefarrell117]

Also I haven’t finished the vid yet but I bet it’s going to be a banger like all of y’all’s.

[@FlowMountainBikeYouTube]

Hey there Luke! Personally, I'd choose the Canyon Lux Trail over the Orbea Oiz TR. I've not tested the Orbea Oiz TR, though I really enjoyed testing the 100mm travel Orbea Oiz with its excellent SquidLock system, so I have no doubts the 120mm TR version will be a great bike. That said, it is on the racier side of things, since the frame is identical to the 100mm bike. That means when it's propped up with the longer 120mm fork, while the head angle does get slacker, the reach also gets shorter. In the case of the Lux Trail, you get a unique front triangle that offers both a longer reach and a slacker head angle. The reach in particular is much longer than the Orbea Oiz TR (460mm vs 425mm on the Medium), so you can expect it to have quite a bit more high-speed stability as a result. It's much better suited to running a shorter stem (a 45mm stem worked well for me), which is great on the descents. It's still very efficient though, and with a faster-rolling front tyre I'd have no hesitation in lining up for an XC race. Hope that helps mate! Wil

[@TheVicBart]

Will, what size you used for the Tire Invader?

[@FlowMountainBikeYouTube]

I used the size 55 for the back of the Lux Trail. I think you could use the 50, but I prefer the 55 when using rims with a 30mm inner width. [Wil]

[@TheVicBart]

@@FlowMountainBikeKZbin Thanks.

[@tougemonster86]

I race at 90odd kg due to my height. Upgrading to 4pots is worth the weight penalty for me. Is there anyway to convert that rear flat mount caliper to run a 4piston xt caliper

[@FlowMountainBikeYouTube]

Good question Joash! Shimano makes a flat mount adapter that will allow you to run a post mount brake calliper with a 160mm rotor (bike.shimano.com/en-EU/product/service-upgradeparts/shimano/ISMMAF160PDA.html). However, it's a bit murkier if you want to run a 180mm rotor with a post mount calliper. Shimano certainly doesn't make such an adapter, and a quick internet search hasn't uncovered anything else, though I'm guessing there will be something out there. That said, the other issue I'm unsure of is whether there's physical clearance for the 4-piston calliper, as it's fairly tight back there. I reckon it'll be worth getting in touch with Canyon directly to confirm what's compatible with the Lux Trail frame. Good luck! [Wil]

[@tougemonster86]

@@FlowMountainBikeKZbin thanks heaps mate really appreciate the reply

[@yancy3987]

Can you review scott scale rc in near future

[@luchocatano1772]

Hey wil,great review. will you prove soon the bmc fourstroke?

[@FlowMountainBikeYouTube]

Cheers Lucho! That BMC Fourstroke looks ace, I'd be really keen to try one out. Unfortunately BMC mountain bikes aren't particularly available in Australia though. If that changes in the future, hopefully we can get one in to test! [Wil]

[@luchocatano1772]

@@FlowMountainBikeKZbin hey wil. I see, it's a shame man; that bike is amazing and i would to be happy seen it been proven for you. You have the greatest reviews in the mountain bike world magazine,so nice,so real. I hope that you could prove one soon, the 100mm and the 120mm. See you soon in the next chapter. Cheers man.

[@baby1971baby1971]

Amazing.

[@zungtonglo335]

Just ordered the cf6, I wonder how much heavier would it be

[@FlowMountainBikeYouTube]

Hi there! The claimed weights for all the Canyon Lux Trail models are listed in our article here: flowmountainbike.com/post-all/2022-canyon-lux-trail/ Hope that helps! Wil

[@zungtonglo335]

@@FlowMountainBikeKZbin thanks!

[@zungtonglo335]

@@FlowMountainBikeKZbin I want to low down the weight later on, what upgrade do you recommend?

[@christophj3014]

My wife's CF 6 is 12.5kg with Shimano Pd 540 pedals.....size small

[@zungtonglo335]

@@christophj3014 i ordered the L size

[@krnone8057]

Is it possible to mount 180mm rotor on the rear in Flat Mount standard?

[@FlowMountainBikeYouTube]

Certainly is! You'll need an adapter to fit a 180mm rotor, and it's worth noting that 180mm is the largest rotor you can run on the Lux frame. [Wil]

[@krnone8057]

@@FlowMountainBikeKZbin Is it the same FM adapter you use in road bikes to go from 140 to 160mm? I spoke to Canyon and they don't recommend using 180mm in regular Lux (so this one also as they both share the same rear triangle), they say it could cause too big forces working on chainstay during braking.

[@FlowMountainBikeYouTube]

Hmm that's odd - Canyon informed us there's a 180mm max rotor size for the Lux Trail frame, so someone has their wires crossed there. We'll ask again and see if we can confirm mate! [Wil]

[@monguzzle]

I'd really like to know what this would be like for a 50k/100k VS my burly-ass Fuel EX 9.8. Having space for two bottles plus a lockout would be really nice.

[@ajoymahato46]

Please do a comparison of entry level full suspension xc bikes, thanks for the video

[@coldforgedcowboy]

@Flow Mountain Bike... This bike needs bar ends as evident by you walking up the hill at the 4:00 mark. Also just so you know, for a swing link bike suspension bike, ideally you want the link to be at 45 degrees to the seat stays in the sag position to get the most platform and to divert the maximum amount of force coming from the seat stays. It works with the sin of the angle, look what happens as the link rotates, more force goes into the shock until you reach 0 degrees when essentially all the force is going into the shock. (Force in seat stay) * sin (link angle)= (force diverted into seat tube) Lets use 100 lbs force in the seats as an example for simplicity sake. 100* sin 45= 70.7 lbs force 100* sin 30=50 lbs force 100* sin 15=25lbs force 100* sin 0= 0 lbs force

[@GFClocked]

Bar ends in 2021? Ouch. Sure if you have ergonomic issues get grips with flares or change handlebar sweep angles and such, but I'm not sure I'd ever recommend bar ends on mtb.

[@coldforgedcowboy]

@@GFClocked ... Have you ever riden with bar ends? You need to remeber that XC riding is different then trail riding as you are riding on road, gravel, and trail for long distances, so it is nice to have multiple hand positions. A lot of trail riders don't seem to grasp that the concept that XC bikes aren't dedicated trail bikes, while the Canyon Lux Trail is more trail focused then it XC brother, it is still focused on all world riding.

[@GFClocked]

@@coldforgedcowboy if there's road riding involved I can't imagine mtb being a good option here, wouldn't you just want a gravel bike with drop bars instead? Also the hand position thing is played out. Suspension and vibration absorption seems to be much more important in my experience. There's a reason for 1000 new bikes released every year - 0 have bar ends.

[@coldforgedcowboy]

​@@GFClocked ... Gravel bikes are limited by their tires and suspension travel, any thing beyond pee size gravel and you don't want to be on a gravel bike. The reason bar ends went away is because you had a rash of bad suspension bikes flood the market that couldn't be pedal out of the saddle in the early 2000's so product managers slapped riser bars and called them free ride bike. Since most of the bad suspension bike designs have been culled from the heard bar ends will start making a come back as riders will be able to ride out of the saddle again.

[@GFClocked]

@@coldforgedcowboy highly doubt riser bars will make a comeback. There are different type of gravel bikes for that - these days everything from semi slick to mtb tires over 50mm, even full suspension gravel bikes.

[@b-manz]

The shorter stem will give a front end that will not grip as well as the longer stem. So… why do you say in this case it is the opposite??

[@FlowMountainBikeYouTube]

Hi there! Hmm, you might be getting your wires crossed there - I mentioned that changing to a shorter stem made the bike feel more comfortable for me, and it also sped up the steering too. As for front-end grip, there's plenty of that available on the Lux Trail. Nice supple fork and the Wicked Will is a great tyre for XC and speedy trail riding. Going to a shorter stem can reduce how much weight you're pushing into the front tyre, though in my case I actually found I had more control over weight distribution with the shorter stem, as I could move around the cockpit more easily. Hope that helps explain! [Wil]

[@colpaniservicevaltrompia4098]

canyon Canyon wrote me that the suspension block is 3-position, do you confirm? Lux Trail CF 9

[@FlowMountainBikeYouTube]

Yep - on the Lux Trail CF 9 it uses a 3-position system for the suspension. So you get Open, Trail and Firm positions that are accessed via the remote system. The Lux Trail CF 8 is the only model in the range that uses a 2-position system. So the suspension is either Open or Locked, with no position in the middle. [Wil]

[@TheTheMScope]

Again..a great video as always! 😊..would be interesting to have your thoughts about how it compares to the Orbea Oiz TR (as you don't mention that in the full review article)? Cheers from Switzerland, Manu

[@FlowMountainBikeYouTube]

Hi there Manuel, thanks for watching and for the feedback mate! I've not ridden the Oiz TR myself (only the regular 100mm travel Oiz), so I can't provide an accurate comparison with the Lux Trail. I did really enjoy the Oiz and its SquidLock suspension system, so I have no doubts the TR will be a great ride. That said, for the same size, the Oiz TR has a much shorter reach (425mm vs 460mm), and its head angle is a little steeper (68 vs 67.5-degrees). As a result, it has a much shorter wheelbase that likely won't deliver as much stability at speed. Hopefully we can get an Oiz TR in for testing at some point to make for a proper comparison! Cheers, Wil

[@TheTheMScope]

@@FlowMountainBikeKZbin thanks for the quick answer!😊 haven't compared the geometry chart until now. I had an eye on the Oiz M Team with an eventual fork upgrade to a Fox 34 SC 120mm..what do you think about that combo ("normal" 100mm Oiz at the back with upgraded fork)? I'll definitely have an eye on your channel..also can't wait for a video about the all new scott spark (aka bold😅). Cheers Manu

[@FlowMountainBikeYouTube]

I'm sure it'll be a sweet setup! Victor Koretzky has been racing his Oiz with a Fox 34 SC fork for most of this year, though I'm not sure if he has it setup with 110mm or 120mm of travel? The Oiz frame will handle the 120mm fork no problems, though of course this will slacken out the angles a little, shorten the reach and lift the BB height. You may prefer the handling with the 120mm fork, though if you find it to be a little too 'tall' at the front, you could always purchase a 110mm or 100mm air shaft for the fork to drop it back down. [Wil]

[@TheTheMScope]

@@FlowMountainBikeKZbin wow..thanks again for that helpful answer!😊 I'll definitely have a look at the Oiz when my Spark RC (currently also with a upgraded 120mm 34 SC..) needs replacement. Cheers Manu

[@olavmarold]

Great review. at 174 it sounds like the size S will be better suited for me. Just installed a Fox Transfer on my sons Canyon Exceed. We experienced when the seat post clamp was done up "quite" tight, it must slightly deform the seat post making it sticky. Loosen it a bit and it pops up and down nicely. This could be due to the clamp pushing in from one side.

[@reasetrealestate7442]

Will, This is about the most complete review I could find. Nice work! I'm participating in Roc Du Maroc a multi day MTB marathon. 6days / 666km / 8500 altimeters in desert/mountains of Marokko. Which bike do you think is most suitable? Lux trail CF9 for comfort or lightweight Supercaliber 9.9. You tested both... thx! Thomas

[@FlowMountainBikeYouTube]

Thanks for watching and for the feedback Thomas! Good question on the Lux Trail vs Supercaliber - I had a look at the details and the promotional video for the Roc Du Maroc race, and it sounds wild! It doesn't look like the singletrack is overly technical, but the terrain looks like it could be really rocky and rough in parts hey? I think if you were planning on being competitive, going for the lighter and shorter travel Supercaliber would make sense, as it's closer to a hardtail in terms of efficiency. However, with six days of racing on the cards, having a bike with a little more suspension could be beneficial from a fatigue perspective. You'd get a little more comfort from the Lux Trail's additional suspension, especially the 120mm fork up front, and that may be appreciated on longer stages and when things get rockier. The Lux Trail isn't that much heavier, and you still have access to a full lockout via the handlebar remote. As mentioned in the review, I did find the effective top tube length to be quite long on the Lux Trail, and for me I really benefitted from fitting a shorter 40mm stem. I preferred the handling with the shorter stem, though it was also much more comfortable. If you did go with the Lux Trail, it may be worth looking at shortening the stem length so you're not so stretched out over the cockpit on longer rides. Hope that helps Thomas! [Wil]

[@reasetrealestate7442]

@@FlowMountainBikeKZbin Didn't expect that big of a response. You keep amazing me. 😀 Really stuck here. Apparently Roc du maroc is indeed not really harsch terrain. Dust, sand, rocks and lots of hills. Even hardtails on scene. They do recomend a fully. Weight difference is indeed not that big. Dropper isn't advised. Not many survive the 6 day torture. So not even 500gr? Don't think I need the extra travel. But somehow the regular lux doesnt appeal to me. A bit dated and to spartan? Bottomline is the trek's weight/ "efficiency" worth the extra 2000. Supercaliber mod 2020 and 2021 are availlable. Lux trail sold out. Maybe in 3-4 months. who knows. What would your ultimate marathon bike be? Epic, oiz…?

[@tigerbalm666]

Adidas should make a Boost tire insert!

[@christophbruhn7471]

Will is channeling huge Tony Rice from the late 80s vibes with that stache

[@FlowMountainBikeYouTube]

😂

[@AthaG89]

I am 177 cm and considering: a) to go for a size S as this bike is really large or b) to go for size M and bring the saddle forward + use a shorter (50mm) stem. Whats your advice sizing wise ? I currently ride a Canyon exceed size M Thank you

[@FlowMountainBikeYouTube]

Hi there! For reference, you're a bit taller than me. I stand at 175cm tall and I tested the Medium size in the Lux Trail. I liked the fit and geometry of the bike once I fitted that 40mm stem and the Ergon saddle, which I was able to bring forward by quite a bit to steepen the seat angle. I didn't have the chance to ride the Small size, but it's worth noting that it brings the reach down to 440mm, which is actually close to a Medium in a Specialized Epic EVO, Scott Spark 900 and Merida Ninety-Six 8000. Choosing between those two sizes in the Lux Trail, I think it'll come down to what kind of ride quality you're after. If you went the Small, that would give you the option of running a longer, lower and more aggressive cockpit setup. However, I'd caution against going too long on the stem length - the Lux Trail has quite a slack head angle, so there's a chance the steering would end up being too slow and less responsive with a longer stem. And zooming out a bit, if you were chasing that more aggressive riding position for dedicated XC racing, maybe it's worth considering a Medium size in the regular Lux? Personally speaking, I still found the Medium size (with the 40mm stem and Ergon saddle) to be quite racy though. It's a light and whippy bike, and the rear suspension is firm and responsive under power. I'd still happily race on it, albeit with a faster-rolling front tyre. [Wil]

[@AthaG89]

@@FlowMountainBikeKZbin Thank you very much for taking the time to reply. Your response is very useful. Based on your response it makes sense to go for the M size with the adjustments you have raised. Still doubting though if I like a more relaxed and forgiving bike vs a more aggressive (traditional) geometry of the Lux SLX. I might end up going for the 9 series as they ride similar to my current Exceed SLX. Last question; latest LUX SLX dont come with a dropper. Would you install one or get into the 'trouble' and adjust the seatpost before the trail ? thank you !!

[@FlowMountainBikeYouTube]

Oh that's right, I forgot that Canyon isn't spec'ing the regular Lux with a dropper post for 2022! I guess it depends on the trails you're riding and your personal riding style. I've had a few XC bikes over the last 18 months that I've ridden without dropper posts, and on my local XC trails, I managed to survive ok 😂 That said, I much prefer having a dropper on my own bike, even if it only has 80mm travel. If I was buying a Lux, I'd definitely be fitting a dropper to it, not just for improving confidence on the descents, but also just to make it more fun to ride all-round. [Wil]

[@AthaG89]

@@FlowMountainBikeKZbin Thank you Will ! Once again a very helpful reply.

[@markwatton6033]

Size Small has a standover height of 790mm. Who the hell is that bike going to fit ?

[@TeoSluga]

You picked wrong size. Medium in Canyon world is for 175-183 cm height. Common mistake. Every manufacturer has its own sizing chart.

[@FlowMountainBikeYouTube]

Hi there Teo! Yep, you're right about the 175-183cm size range for the Medium frame. And at 175cm tall, I certainly sit in that range. Personally I found it comfortable once setup correctly, and I got along with the longer front centre of the Lux Trail compared to the standard Lux. It's worth remembering that with any brand, the recommended sizing is just that - a recommendation. You'll want to take into account aspects such as the bike's reach measurement, stack, the effective top tube length, cockpit setup, seat tube length, dropper post length & insertion depth. We're all built a little differently in terms of our proportions - the relationships between leg, torso and arm lengths can be quite different from rider to rider, so even if you're the same height as someone else, that doesn't mean you'll need the same size bike, or the same setup. Hope that helps explain! [Wil]

[@rockbore]

$600 For a dropper post? My whole bike retails at £600, and the dropper gives full range choice with no issues- Carrera Fury guy.

[@stewartvwyk]

Great review. The first actual ride review on YT. I've order the CF9 which has been named the Smarty Box! Sold my Neuron for this as I want something that's better for longer miles but still goes down hill well. Living in Hong Kong the down part is important. I saw in one of your replies you mention the bike came with carbon bars? Canyon website says Alu bars? To be honest it would be the first time Canyon have got their own spec sheet wrong

[@FlowMountainBikeYouTube]

Cheers Stewart, glad you enjoyed the review! Yep, our test bike has a set of Race Face Next 35 carbon handlebars. I believe that's a typo in the Canyon spec list - it says the bars are alloy, but the Next 35 bars are definitely carbon. Hope you enjoy the new Smarty Box! [Wil]

[@stewartvwyk]

@@FlowMountainBikeKZbin thanks Will. I'll drop Canyon a message and see what they say.

[@EvilChem1st]

Oh, were you happy with Neuron? Anything you disliked? I actually ordered Neuron 7 AL, but now thinking of expanding budget and get Lux Trail CF 6.

[@stewartvwyk]

@@EvilChem1st Hey. The Neuron is still a great bike. When I was looking for a bike, the Neuron was closest to what I wanted from a geometry point, I almost got the Lux but was put off but it just wasn't right for me. But if the Lux Trail was around 6 months ago it would of been a no brainer for me. Dislikes, it was heavy and climbed like a heavy bike, I had the CF8. My honest opinion, If you can stretch the budget, the Lux Trail will do everything the Neuron can and most things even better! You will not regret the decision...

[@colpaniservicevaltrompia4098]

why does the bike weigh 11.22 kg without pedals? canyon declares 10.9 with 500g tubes! absurd

[@FlowMountainBikeYouTube]

Great question! We always find a discrepancy between claimed weights and actual weights, which is why we always try to provide our own confirmed weights for all the bikes and parts we test. In the case of our CF 9 test bike, it arrived to us already setup tubeless, and with quite a lot of sealant in the tyres. Normally Canyon bikes turn up with tubes fitted (and you have to buy valves and sealant separately - grrr!). However, the last test bike we had was the Exceed CFR, which came with Tubolito tubes installed. These weigh just 81g each, so they are actually lighter than running a tubeless setup. I *think* this may be where some of the weight discrepancy comes from - that the bike is weighed at Canyon with Tubolito inner tubes, and that our test bike came setup tubeless with extra sealant. However, I am confirming this with Canyon to see if the production bikes will be coming with Tubolito tubes. [Wil]

[@GFClocked]

They size it small. The size jump and some tire sealant can easily explain this.

[@krispykruzer]

Remarkable value? The cheapest bike in thus line up is 5k

[@FlowMountainBikeYouTube]

Yep, value for money compared to the competition is insane! Here's a comparison with some of the bikes that are competing with the entry-level Lux Trail CF 6 (which sells for $5,278 AUD once you factor in shipping); - Trek Top Fuel 9.7 - $6,299 AUD RockShox Reba RL fork, SRAM NX Eagle drivetrain, Shimano MT501 brakes, alloy Bontrager Kovee Comp wheels and Bontrager dropper. Nice geo and suspension design, but notably heavier than the Lux Trail and a significantly lower-end groupset and fork. - Giant Anthem Advanced Pro 29 1 - $6,999 AUD Fox Performance Elite suspension, Shimano XT groupset, Giant XCR carbon wheels, no dropper post. A much older frame design though, which shows in the geometry and the rigid 27.2mm seatpost. - Specialized Epic EVO Comp - $6,900 AUD RockShox SID fork and Deluxe shock, Shimano SLX groupset, alloy Specialized wheels with Shimano MT400/510 hubs, X-Fusion dropper post. Great frame, geo and suspension performance - there's a more detailed comparison between the Lux Trail and the Epic EVO in the full review if you get a chance to check it out; flowmountainbike.com/tests/canyon-lux-trail-review-2022/ - Orbea Oiz M20 TR - $7,299 AUD Fox Performance suspension with a GRIP fork, SRAM GX groupset, Shimano SLX brakes, alloy DT Swiss X1900 wheels, own-brand dropper post. Definitely on the racier side of things in terms of geo, the long stem and flat bar. Hope that helps mate! [Wil]

[@GFClocked]

Cheapest one is 4k usd I think. 3300 euro, price I see, is def not 5k usd.

[@onlyfoolriding8223]

Cool, but I can't buy any of these fucking bikes for a year.

[@Dolbouck7]

Lol! “…remarkable value…” That’s funny. This stuff is stupid expensive for what it is.

[@FlowMountainBikeYouTube]

Yep, it's pretty impressive! Given the carbon frame, Fox Factory suspension, Transfer SL dropper, XTR groupset, DT Swiss XRC 1200 wheels (which sell for $3K on their own!) and Race Face cranks, the value in the Lux Trail CF 9 is pretty much unrivalled. Anything with that spec from Trek or Specialized is beyond the $14K mark, and even the Merida Ninety-Six 8000 we tested recently sells for a similar price, but doesn't get nearly the same calibre of components; flowmountainbike.com/tests/merida-ninety-six-8000-review-2021/ At the other side of the range, here's a quick comparison with some of the bikes that are competing with the entry-level Lux Trail CF 6 (which sells for $5,278 AUD once you factor in shipping); - Trek Top Fuel 9.7 - $6,299 AUD RockShox Reba RL fork, SRAM NX Eagle drivetrain, Shimano MT501 brakes, alloy Bontrager Kovee Comp wheels and Bontrager dropper. Nice geo and suspension design, but notably heavier than the Lux Trail and a significantly lower-end groupset and fork. - Giant Anthem Advanced Pro 29 1 - $6,999 AUD Fox Performance Elite suspension, Shimano XT groupset, Giant XCR carbon wheels, no dropper post. A much older frame design though, which shows in the geometry and the rigid 27.2mm seatpost. - Specialized Epic EVO Comp - $6,900 AUD RockShox SID fork and Deluxe shock, Shimano SLX groupset, alloy Specialized wheels with Shimano MT400/510 hubs, X-Fusion dropper post. Great frame, geo and suspension performance - there's a more detailed comparison between the Lux Trail and the Epic EVO in the full review if you get a chance to check it out; flowmountainbike.com/tests/canyon-lux-trail-review-2022/ - Orbea Oiz M20 TR - $7,299 AUD Fox Performance suspension with a GRIP fork, SRAM GX groupset, Shimano SLX brakes, alloy DT Swiss X1900 wheels, own-brand dropper post. Definitely on the racier side of things in terms of geo, the long stem and flat bar. Hope that helps mate! [Wil]

[@Dolbouck7]

@@FlowMountainBikeKZbin I own the Orbea MT20 TR. I appreciate your answer. My point is that none of this is new tech. You seen this tech for years on on dirt bikes that cost about the same. Why does a bicycle cost just as much?

[@dogmile9397]

Specialized WC. There’s nothing else. Canyon doesn’t even support their clients, for the price it’s a jokecycle.

[@johnykryll]

Pleased all your viewers have good jobs and have plenty of disposable income. For the rest of us, we'll look further down the scale. This type of vid is the reason manufacturers are hiking prices each year. Another useless YT journo offering

[@tigerbalm666]

THat multi color colorway is hideous...

[@LeadMunitions]

Yikes!! that paint 🤢