will this be still a good choice if you want to have only 1 bike (for XC, trail and enduro) - that is the question. Like now the fantastic 2022 SJ Expert.
@FlowMountainBikeYouTube3 сағат бұрын
I think it’s an excellent all-rounder, but out of the box it is on the more aggressive side and is much closer to the previous EVO rather than the old Stumpjumper. If you wanted to ride more XC-type terrain I’d suggest packing the GENIE outer sleeve with all four volume spacers for a firmer feel, swapping to faster/lighter tyres and running the headset in the steep position. Personally, I love how much adjustability is in the shock and frame that means the bike can be setup for quite different riding styles and terrain. Hope that helps! [Wil]
@richchin516313 сағат бұрын
So how does it compare to your experiments with the prior Stumpy where you changed the shock to a Super Deluxe with HBO and added a bigger fork?
@FlowMountainBikeYouTube3 сағат бұрын
I really liked the previous Stumpy with the bigger fork and piggyback shock! That bike is still relevant in terms of geo, and its lightweight frame is certainly appealing. I think for lighter and sportier riders on flowier terrain, it remains a fantastic option. This new Stumpy 15 feels considerably burlier and plusher though. There’s more grip and bottom-out support is way higher. For rockier and steeper terrain, it’s a better bike for sure. And the adjustability in the GENIE and frame means you can adapt it for a lot of different trail types. [Wil]
@johnkelly807014 сағат бұрын
Will is quickly turning into a legend. Proffessionalising the delivery of the mtb review. Own style. Succinct insight. No matter how many reviews I might look into elsewhere if i want to know about a bike this is the benchmark. Keep up the great work Will! 🧐
@FlowMountainBikeYouTube3 сағат бұрын
Wow, that’s kind of you to say John! We put a lot of work into our reviews so it’s awesome to hear that feedback - thank you! [Wil]
@LaurentiusTriarius15 сағат бұрын
It looks small and disproportionate. Just an opinion. Also it has definite emtb vibes. Oh I see... Wireless shifting. 🤔
@tinoschneider635016 сағат бұрын
Thanks for this detailed review and deep dive into the shock settings 🙏 . I really would love to know how a standard shock like the newest version of the RS Super Deluxe with the linear or linear XL air can would stack up against the genie shock. Maybe this is something we can learn in the near future.
@FlowMountainBikeYouTube3 сағат бұрын
Thanks mate, glad you enjoyed the review! I’d love to experiment with more shock options on the new Stumpy - great suggestion on the Linear XL air can for the SD shock! [Wil]
@patrixdan266119 сағат бұрын
Why not throw a genie on the SJ EVO? Its cheaper and should have almost the same effect .
@FlowMountainBikeYouTube3 сағат бұрын
Great suggestion! Some folks in the comments here have mentioned there are clearance issues with the GENIE shock and the sidearm on the old Stumpy EVO - we’ll see if we can get confirmation from Spesh and will let you know! [Wil]
@superyamagucci23 сағат бұрын
I'd have two of these in my garage if it wasn't for the NZ dealer
@strel9Күн бұрын
Why you not comparing with Nyon system?
@TheMirrorVisionКүн бұрын
Great review and nice job describing the testing you did on the Genie shock + volume spacers!
@FlowMountainBikeYouTube3 сағат бұрын
Thanks mate, appreciate the feedback! [Wil]
@rottieshepcalibre9156Күн бұрын
Much better mud flap
@FlowMountainBikeYouTube3 сағат бұрын
Agreed! The chainstay protector is really nice too - it bolts in underneath the mudflap and extends the entire length of the chainstay and then bolts into the most rearward pivot. Loads of coverage and very little noise while riding 👌 [Wil]
@CourtyardPigeonКүн бұрын
I have the 22022 Stumpjumper Pro, which is pretty much exactly this bike without the new shock on it. I paid $8500 USD for my bike and now it's $5500.00 USD....this bike in the Stumpjumper 15 Pro version is $9k USD, so I might wait until Christmas to see if they drop the price, if not I don't see a reason to upgrade when I'm going to lose so much on the sale of my bike just to pay for this when it hasn't changed that much
@deancleavesmithКүн бұрын
Awesome review, great to see how on trail adjustment to the genie can be made
@FlowMountainBikeYouTube3 сағат бұрын
Thanks Dean! It was cool to experiment with all those volume adjustments, makes such a difference on the trail. [Wil]
@danm5810Күн бұрын
It’s good to see manufactures still putting effort into developing normal mtbs not just e-mtbs.
@LaurentiusTriarius15 сағат бұрын
Did you notice it looks like a slightly modified mold for this bike or just a cutout would be all it need to be a emtb. 🤢🤮
@southpawlibranine3511Күн бұрын
Just buy a marin rift zone xr with better specs with axs for 3600 on bikes online right now
@southpawlibranine3511Күн бұрын
Everytime i see a specialized im reminded how much of a mediocre company they are with questionable ethics. They try to he a high end brand without the actual high end
@darrylhausman-pk8cqКүн бұрын
Excellent review Will , love everything about it , except the price
@FlowMountainBikeYouTube3 сағат бұрын
Thanks Darryl! Agreed - looking forward to the alloy models arriving. Depending on the price and specs, that’s a bike I’d consider buying personally. [Wil]
@fudganuldКүн бұрын
Thats lighter than my Steel Hardtail...Nice..Ha!!
@Ka0sAssassinКүн бұрын
I just brought a new SJ evo comp got it for $4500 au, now i know why i got such a great price with this new model out a week after i buy one lol oh well 😊
@FlowMountainBikeYouTube3 сағат бұрын
Don’t fret too much - the STEVO is still an awesome bike, and sounds like you got a killer price on it too! [Wil]
@gwefljКүн бұрын
I despise electronic motors and batteries to charge. Guess I’m out.
@trailblazeratv6306Күн бұрын
I would go with the Trance X that's $2000 off right now !!!
@cgs-xi4btКүн бұрын
Really nice & thorough review! Trying to hang on to my hard earned money 💰 but so tempted by this versatile bike...
@FlowMountainBikeYouTube3 сағат бұрын
Thanks mate, glad you enjoyed the review! I hear you on the money thing 😂 [Wil]
@southpawlibranine3511Күн бұрын
8900 for a rythm fork and propietary shock thats blow in a few months
@southpawlibranine3511Күн бұрын
When has a proprietary shock ever worked before? The yokes are crap too and not to mention overpriced
@mbgerozaga2 күн бұрын
Propriety shock? How is this different on having a RS Deluxe with Megneg? You can have tokens as well as bands to adjust progressivity
@paulb5390Күн бұрын
Because it has 2 separate air chambers. One for the first 70% travel. Another for the last 30%. Never been done before.. Proprietary is probably the wrong word. Nonetheless it seems like a cool shock that Specialized and Fox have developed
@kinch042 күн бұрын
So.. the move feels like by an old Evo and get the new shock? Profit.
@FlowMountainBikeYouTube3 сағат бұрын
Potentially! We’ve asked the question about whether the GENIE will be available aftermarket and whether it’ll clear the sidearm on the Stumpy EVO. I shall report back! [Wil]
@kinch042 сағат бұрын
According to Guy Kes it won't fit.. that's too bad.
@101picofarad2 күн бұрын
Да, перемычку пришлось убрать - с ней стягивать воздушную камеру мегнега можно только выкрутив болты амморта, а тот амморт что на новом байке - вообще не влез бы в старую раму ;). Но в целом переход к мясному линку вполне логичен - у старого сепеша торсионка так себе была.
@Gerald-iz7mv2 күн бұрын
is that a cross country bike?
@FlowMountainBikeYouTube2 күн бұрын
Specialized slot the Stumpjumper into their all-mountain/ trail category of bikes.
@Gerald-iz7mv2 күн бұрын
@@FlowMountainBikeKZbin whats the diff between all mountain vs crosscountry?
@benoosthuizen496110 сағат бұрын
Cross country bikes tend to have 100 - 120 mm of travel, where all-mountain / trail bikes tend to have 140 - 170 mm travel. Cross country bikes usually have steeper geometry, which makes them more nippy + quicker steering. All-mountain / trail bikes usually have slacker geometry, which makes them more stable at higher speeds. Cross country bikes are lighter and can be used for cross country racing. All-mountain / trail bikes are usually used for bigger terrain (steeper, more technical and bigger drops, jumps).
@ryanmichels29812 күн бұрын
Between the videos Flow does and their website, I think they are my fave MTB reviewers. Keep up the great work!
@FlowMountainBikeYouTube2 күн бұрын
Thanks, we appreciate your support! Glad to hear you're enjoying the content.
@southpawlibranine3511Күн бұрын
They got nothing on vital. Those guys at vital are absolute shredders.
@southpawlibranine3511Күн бұрын
Their "reviews" are paid content. Why do you think they feature canyon so much?
@dogfighter12 күн бұрын
How is it a proprietary design if they put Ohlins on it too?
@FlowMountainBikeYouTube3 сағат бұрын
The shock is proprietary given it’s a Specialized-specific design. The size however, 210x55mm, is standard and there’s clearance for you to fit pretty much any air or coil shock you like. Hope that helps explain! [Wil]
@The.JZA.2 күн бұрын
How does it compare to the Mondraker Foxy? Nobody ever mentions it even though it's legit one of the most awesome trail bikes you can buy.
@FlowMountainBikeYouTube2 күн бұрын
Earlier in 2023 we reviewed the Foxy. If you jump on our website and search for it, you should see it there.
@The.JZA.2 күн бұрын
@@FlowMountainBikeKZbin Yes, yes, I have read the review. It's a hard hitting, efficient pedalling, slick looking rocket ship of a bike. Not the plushest but certainly rowdy. I have the Mondraker Crafty R which is essentially the ebike version of the Foxy and I love it. I only made that comment because when you listed off the Stumpjumpers competition you didn't mention the Foxy and I felt personally slighted by that.
@mihailo19812 күн бұрын
there is no difference with the model from 2022. The difference is a little more reach and everything else is the same.
@The.JZA.2 күн бұрын
It seems that the new shock is a big part of the performance. So does that mean that it would be a downgrade to get the Ohlins coil shock model of this bike? That's the one that I want (if I actually had that kind of money to throw around).
@FlowMountainBikeYouTube2 күн бұрын
It's a tough question to answer, as it's a bit of an apples to oranges comparison. Air and coil shocks fundamentally have very different characteristics, so a lot of it comes down to personal preference. We only tested the model with the Fox Genie air shock, which performed well during the testing period. It's obvious they put a lot of time and effort into designing the bike/ shock together. We'd be interested to try the Ohlins version to compare.
@numbers79052 күн бұрын
That shock looks a lot like the Ohlins TTX2 Air.
@FlowMountainBikeYouTube3 сағат бұрын
Very different inside! [Wil]
@mitchsargent55432 күн бұрын
How does the shock compare to an air shock with a piggy back? (aside from weight savings)?
@FlowMountainBikeYouTube3 сағат бұрын
It really depends on which piggyback air shock you’re comparing it to. Any specific characteristics you’re curious about? There’s a lot more info in the full review about temperature and damping performance between the GENIE and piggyback shocks that might help to answer your question? [Wil]
@paulhusby83442 күн бұрын
The man is a fantastic presenter!
@kellygregg36882 күн бұрын
58% off. For $1800 is that a great deal?
@mudkayak63052 күн бұрын
Hard no on wireless only. What we're they thinking.... "how do we make sure to tank our sales?"
@streddaz2 күн бұрын
The alloy version will have cable routing for the plebs
@FlowMountainBikeYouTube2 күн бұрын
@@streddaz It'll be interesting to see if alloy version are released. If so, will they have wireless or cable groupsets?
@streddazКүн бұрын
@@FlowMountainBikeKZbin well, I see that SRAM now have an even cheaper wireless groupset so maybe it will all go wireless only.🤔
@southpawlibranine3511Күн бұрын
@@streddaz axs is for the plebs
@danm5810Күн бұрын
It’s frustrating looking for new bikes and they all come with electronic shift with prices inflated as a result. Nothing wrong with xt cable drivetrain.
@pbls432 күн бұрын
That shock is basically a Monarch plus 😊
@southpawlibranine3511Күн бұрын
Looks ugly as a monarch too
@gwefljКүн бұрын
The Monarch didn’t have a two stage air chamber did it?
@Rawkus9192 күн бұрын
This looks cool. An genuine update and option. Just not sure about the electronic shift only.
@FlowMountainBikeYouTube2 күн бұрын
Worth a try if you've never ridden wireless before. If cable is 100% your thing, we can see how the lack of options could be frustrating.
@Rawkus9192 күн бұрын
@FlowMountainBikeKZbin I love wireless systems, but it also limits drivetrain supply company too. No shimano build I guess.
@TysyTube2 күн бұрын
hi, is possible to connect this bike to the Flow app to see mileage?🤔
@Ajwilkie2 күн бұрын
Can we run the Genie on the previous gen EVO?
@JimLacey3572 күн бұрын
Another reviewer said no because the shock body is too large to fit next to the side arm.
@Ajwilkie2 күн бұрын
@@JimLacey357 ahhh. That makes sense. Hadn’t thought of that part.
@justinfournier12852 күн бұрын
@@AjwilkieJust get a coil. My Evo has one and the video spends 5 minutes explaining the Genie on the SJ15 the same as an Evo with a coil you could have had for a few years.
@Ajwilkie2 күн бұрын
@@justinfournier1285 what coil do you run?
@justinfournier12852 күн бұрын
@@Ajwilkie DHX because it’s one of the few on the approved list. DHX2 is not. Piston diameter. Bad design from Specialized.
@prostotakwo2 күн бұрын
Why is nobody saying anything about this outstanding MOUSTACHE??!!
@antoniofeliciano28132 күн бұрын
64.5 head angle degrees? wtf
@KiwiInGermanyMTB2 күн бұрын
That's the neutral position. You can adjust the headset cup 1 degree positive or negative
@antoniofeliciano28132 күн бұрын
@@KiwiInGermanyMTB I want a simple system
@dobsok842 күн бұрын
@@antoniofeliciano2813it is simple
@laurentp892 күн бұрын
@@antoniofeliciano2813 don't buy this then...
@testtesttesttesttest8842 күн бұрын
Beat it nerd
@crankshoptv81412 күн бұрын
You'll have no cables, and be happy.
@dobsok842 күн бұрын
A swat box you can fill up to eat de bugs
@LaurentiusTriarius16 сағат бұрын
Not really. "Tear down that wall" c'mon Mr Gorbachev... I can also tell you that the resale value of GX axs isn't that great 💀🤣
@crankshoptv814115 сағат бұрын
@@LaurentiusTriarius don't sell it, throw it away and buy new, on credit.
@cheut2 күн бұрын
i really dislike specialized bikes. Kinked seat tubes that ruin insertion and shock yokes that'll snap fox coil shocks: they've been making mountain bikes as long as anyone and these seem like oversights a newcomer would make
@cheut2 күн бұрын
to be fair, the coil shock thing is Fox's fault too. they've been making shocks for forever, why use such thin damper shafts??
@southpawlibranine3511Күн бұрын
Same I hate them as a company especially the way they sue small bike shops
@Froff2 күн бұрын
Way to go Glen and team at World Trail. Finch Hatton is so much fun and so good for the area. Nice wrap up Flow!!!
@sarafxds2 күн бұрын
Anyone know the music that starts around 4 minutes in? Shazam couldn’t find it.
@CanonFirefly2 күн бұрын
I think it's 'Make Like a Tree' by The Revolution
@sarafxds2 күн бұрын
@@CanonFirefly thanks! Awesome track
@williamjewell81162 күн бұрын
got more balls then m,e glade to see ya living la life
@stubestrong3 күн бұрын
in theory 75mm travel is in fact around 90/100 on a normal xc shock?