CANYON STOIC 2 - LONG-TERM REVIEW AND UPGRADES

[@abstraddic0442]

It looks so much better without that sr suntour decal. Great review.

[@t0mj4y]

Thanks!

[@titus1800]

I would recomend slappertape for protecting the rear part of the frame when the chain is slapping. Sick bike tho🔥

[@cyrussaad4275]

I have a stoic 2 as well and am loving it. I have two questions though, what pressure are you running in for for in relation to your weight and do you find the fork running slow in mild cold? thanks

[@t0mj4y]

On the tyres I'm running between 30-35 psi. I have no idea what the fork pressure is, I don't have a fork pump. I haven't had any problems with it in cold weather, but I haven't messed around with it much either. If I get a fork pump, I'll make sure to put an update in my next video!

[@nicolasledoux355]

Might be a late answer but my fork is kinda useless (slow) during winter too...

[@fengcarlos]

great vid, did the rims come with tape fitted already?

[@t0mj4y]

No, they didn't. I think the rims are 30mm if you're looking to buy tubeless tape 👍

[@nicolasledoux355]

Same stripped derailleur screw in my Stoic 2... and same workaround (+ threadlock)

[@codyedmondson8676]

Did the wheels come pre-taped? What equipment were you missing for the tubeless conversion (my stoic 2 is in the mail still)

[@t0mj4y]

There's just some standard rim tape on them, but it's not tubeless tape. I'd recommend getting tubeless tape, sealant and tubeless valves to make it work.

[@Enduro_Dad]

i almost have the same setup. =) I did change my drivetrain to a microshift advent-X, works like a charm and it's pretty cheap.

[@t0mj4y]

Good to know, thanks! I'll bear Microshift in mind when I get round to upgrading. 👍

[@Ivo.chrastina.mp4]

Donát do it MicroShift si thrash

[@Beiberhole69RVA]

Nice review. You have a 170mm dropper post, how tall are you? I'm about to order a Stoic 2 and am trying to figure out the dropper length I need to get. Thanks!

[@t0mj4y]

Thanks. I'm 185cm. It's a 170mm dropper post. There's plenty of room for a shorter or longer dropper post depending on your preference.

[@lexx348]

@@t0mj4y Is this an L sized frame or M-sized? And how does it feel for your height? I am 183, which is smack on between sizes.

[@t0mj4y]

@@lexx348 Mine's an L. It feels the right size for me. My advice would be to take your leg measurement carefully and go with Canyon's recommended size.

[@markmark2961]

@@t0mj4y Hey man! How did you fit that 170 mm? I have an XL, I am around 195 cm, and my saddle height with the included post is around 160 mm. Do you have really long legs or how is this working for you? I see you didnt even dropped it to the bottom. Are you extending it the fullest? I have probably last year edition, I ordered it some weeks ago. Is there any frame difference to the older models?

[@t0mj4y]

@@markmark2961 hey! Fitting the seatpost wasn't too tricky in my experience. I had to take the bottom bracket off so I could fit the cables through, but other than that it was ok. In terms of the saddle height, I have the seatpost fully extended with about 30 mm of spare room on the outer seatpost before it reaches its maximum insertion in the downtube. I have a fairly average leg length I guess. Sorry I can't be of more help!

[@glebtyunikov3890]

im thinking of buying this one as a second bike, is there any issues regarding the fork? I cant find that many info on that fork. Does the gearing enough?

[@t0mj4y]

Yeah, in cold weather the fork used to get stuck. I took it for a service and they greased it up a bit and it was immediately loads better. The gearing is ok for me. You could invest in slightly wider cassette if you need a gear for climbing really steep hills.

[@HEYDJ]

I think I missed it here or your last video, but what's your height and size of Stoic?

[@t0mj4y]

185cm and it's a large!

[@Accet76]

Just ordered the Stoic2 today in size medium:) Was recommended S, but want 29" wheels (i`m 174/80). I already have YT Cf Comp as a full suspensionbike....i`d went for the Stoic 2, because both my bikes then will be 11-speed and I can swap wheelsets between the bikes (or any others components for that matter). Whats your thoughts on the wheelset.....I already have a spare wheelset (E-thirteen TRS+), wich i`m thinking of as an immediate upgrade (11-46 cassette). Therefor considering to sell the Alexrims, and use the money to uppgrade seatpost. The bike looks great!!

[@t0mj4y]

Sounds like a good plan! Let me know how you get on :)

[@Accet76]

@@t0mj4y It turned out really nice. The bike works great. Changes the wheelset with my spare set( e13 trs+ 29 ), changed derailleur shimano xt 11-speed(m8000) and xt shifter.also changed the chain to 11-speed. Got the Brand-X 170mm dropper at a bargainprice at chainreaction….$140. Have also ordered formula cura brakeset, but have not received it yet. Now i can swap between the to bikes, so all working as planned. My only problem now, is to convince my partner that this was a good investment😂

[@t0mj4y]

@@Accet76 awesome, thanks for the update. Enjoy and good luck with convincing your partner 😂

[@ShouldaWaved]

Canyon Stoic vs a san Quentin 3? For a trail bike and doing some commutimg/exploring up on it ar times around town

[@t0mj4y]

@@ShouldaWaved I just had a look at the San Quentin 3. It looks like it has a better drivetrain and fork as well as a dropper post as standard so that sways me more in the Marin's favour, but it's a 27.5 rather than a 29 like the Stoic. That's a big personal preference point. If you can, get to a bike shop and sit on a 27.5 and a 29 so you can compare. Hope that helps!

[@XNick291X]

I'd love to single speed one! But I can't get my size until sping next year

[@stepansimecek2542]

Its available now! I managed to catch stoic 3.

[@BangBassBoom]

How does THE fork act at cold weather? Mine is like a stiff fork under 5celsius.

[@t0mj4y]

Yeah, I've seen a few comments about that. I live in Valencia, Spain, so we don't have temperatures that cold very often. If I go for a winter ride in the coming months I'll let you know how it performs.

[@guillaumeSONY]

My question is how is it on the road? Is it usable for short commute?

[@t0mj4y]

The tyres aren't very fast rolling, that's the only thing. I do about 5-10km of road riding to get to the trails, so it's definitely useable, but if you're only going to use it for commuting I would recommend a road or gravel bike, or at least changing the tyres.

[@guillaumeSONY]

@@t0mj4y thanks for your answer, the goal is to have a do it all bike, for small comute into town and trails

[@mategoncz4029]

HEY! Can you help me? What kind of dropper post should i buy for my stoic 2 size L? Im 184 cm tall. Should i go for a 170 mm travel or a 160 is high enough?

[@t0mj4y]

If there's not much difference in price, go for the 170mm. More is always better. I had a 125mm post on my last bike and it was loads better than having none at all, so think about it that way!

[@cezarh5473]

Hey! Is it worth getting the Stoic 3 over the Stoic 2?

[@t0mj4y]

For me it wasn't an option because I didn't have the money and I knew I could save up for a dropper post. Depending on your currency the stoic 3 is an extra 300 euros,so if you're planning to put a dropper post on, that's going to cost around 150. Then the question is: are the Rockshox fork and the 12 speed drivetrain worth the other 150?

[@SchulcCole]

what about the tires, do they have inner tube or tubeless?

[@t0mj4y]

It comes with inner tubes in, but the tyres and rims are tubeless ready so you can make it tubeless.

[@SchulcCole]

@@t0mj4y thanks

[@theozakas2268]

Are the wheels tubeless ready or you have to tape them?

[@t0mj4y]

Yeah there was tape in already, but the tape in one of the rims it was folded over and twisted so I had to buy some new tape anyway.

[@piggymoomoo2522]

Did it come with the dropper??

[@t0mj4y]

@@piggymoomoo2522 No, I put that on afterwards. 👍

[@patrickbikeph9165]

Nice bike buddy… 👍👍👍

[@serbanvasilescu588]

Thanks for the info

[@Thepianoman77]

do they only sell the stoic on Canyon's website?

[@t0mj4y]

Pretty much yeah, I think the only physical store they have is in Germany.

[@Thepianoman77]

@@t0mj4y sad day... they dont have size small till mid May 🙁

[@t0mj4y]

@@Thepianoman77 it will be worth the wait! :D

[@max-gg9qk]

does the canyon have a semi loud hub?

[@t0mj4y]

Nope, standard volume I'd say!

[@SilviuTopoloi]

For 189 cm and 93 inseam, would you recommend XL, or go for the L? The XL, they told me it will be to long for me. What height is your saddle? Thanks.

[@t0mj4y]

My advice would be to trust Canyon. They're much better experts than I am :) The top of my saddle sits 31 cm above the top of the seatpost clamp if that helps.

[@SilviuTopoloi]

@@t0mj4y thanks a lot friend. I appreciate that. I will go for the L and hope for the best. If something will swap, but I feel is logic to go with recommendations first, simce everytime, with XL I end up leaning forward, due to the stiff back 🙂. Is the position comfortable or neutral? Is a littile bit upright. Hope is better than on a XC bike...I don.t want race position... Thanks once again, Silviu

[@t0mj4y]

@@SilviuTopoloi it's a relaxed position yeah! Definitely not XC so I'm sure you'll be happy with you choice!

[@SilviuTopoloi]

@@t0mj4y thank you once again. Would you advice me to put some extra for the Stoic 3? I want a dropper also...it is useful and also for the fork and bigger range. The buget would be for a stoic 2, but since a dropper is so expensive...maybe put aside a little more and wait to buy Stoic 3. Thanks for your time. I appreciate it very much. Really 🤗🤗

[@t0mj4y]

@@SilviuTopoloi it's going to cost at least 150 euros to add a dropper seatpost. If you want a better groupset and a better fork, maybe it's worth it to save for the Stoic 3. Have you seen On-One bikes? They are at a similar price point and style if you want to compare.

[@mohabridesmtb4436]

How did you put in the dropper cable?

[@t0mj4y]

I threaded the cable housing through the hole in the downtube, I tried to fish it out at the bottom but it didn't work, so I ended up taking the bottom bracket out. Then I was able to see the cable, pull it out and thread it back up through the seat tube.

[@mohabridesmtb4436]

@@forestfriend9265 thanks man! I have it already installed. I had to remove the bottom bracket, so I could install it. But thanks for your help!

[@sean4905]

12 speed sram eagle NX. Not any other sram drivetrain steep enough about 350 I think but a very good range with cranks and the lot

[@t0mj4y]

It's a big investment, but thanks for the tip. I'll consider it.

[@CameronTrejo]

Will this bike fit a 32t or does it have to be a 30t?

[@t0mj4y]

@@CameronTrejo I don't know for sure but I doubt it . There's very little space between the 30t and the frame. Maybe only 5mm.

[@sean4905]

@@CameronTrejo I have no idea sorry

[@mohabridesmtb4436]

Wich dropper lever is that?

[@t0mj4y]

It's a KS kind lever. I wanted it to be as cheap as possible. (26 euros) It works ok, no complaints.

[@mohabridesmtb4436]

@@t0mj4y ok thanks!

[@nathankleber9150]

Still going well on the stoic?

[@t0mj4y]

Yeah, all fine. I've done about 1,500km on it now. Pretty much all trail riding. In that time it's had one fork service, one brake bleed and one new spoke on the rear wheel. I'm now running flat pedals on it too. Really happy with it!

[@wernell]

I think it seems like your chain is not routed correctly through the derailleur. It should make some noise. I upgraded the cassette to a 11-46 pretty quick and it made a big difference. It worked fine with the Deore derailleur even though Shimano says it doesn't. I just recently upgraded to 11 speed 11-52 and that was a great upgrade as well, but for pretty much more money.

[@t0mj4y]

Thanks for the info. Any ideas where the problem is with the derailleur routing? I can't see the problem. Did you have to change the freehub or wheel to convert to 11 speed?

[@wernell]

@@t0mj4y It looks like the chain is on the wrong side of the small piece of metal between the two pulleys. The chain is supposed to go in a straight line, on the other side of that small piece of metal. 11 speed works fine with the same freehub. If you want 12 speed you might have to change the freehub.

[@t0mj4y]

@@wernell Thanks for the heads up on this! Fixed it now.

[@AaronGruber]

hi, did you need to get a roadlink (derailleur hanger extender) to fit the 46t casette? or did it fit without any tinkering?

[@wernell]

@@AaronGruber No tinkering needed.

[@ricklock4224]

How tall are you?

[@t0mj4y]

185cm

[@thinkitbig9292]

This bike in White looks so good only downside it it's almost 1kg heavier than the scout

[@mikeshafer3059]

Poor QC

[@memyself2458]

🤣🤣🤣🤣 pedal felt off a bike I wanted to buy and like 1200 euros in EU ,kidding me,my rock Rider didn't lose a pedal or anything and it cost 2 times less than this ,I am sticking to my machine thanks,plenty of cheap brands better than this ,,,and not dropping pedals on the track 🤣🤣