Canyon Ultimate vs Giant TCR: Which is Right For You? (With Wind Tunnel Testing!)

[@openwheelracing88]

Please continue to use the TCR against other bikes in the wind tunnel.

[@gpwalkowiak2237]

Few months ago I had to make the Ultimate vs TCR choice. They seemed head-to-head in so many aspects, and it all boiled down to availability. I am now a happy TCR rider and not very keen to change to anything else :)

[@stevocanuck]

Thoughts on factor o2 vam?

[@calebmercado8272]

@@stevocanuck It's like a tcr but more pricey

[@andreasabacka7977]

According to Canyon the Aeroad has very similar geometry to the Ultimate so it would be super interesting to see wind tunnel results for the Aeroad.

[@BikeLife154]

Canyon ends up being incredibly expensive for some buyers. Here in Korea you need to add 18% of that price for import/VAT plus shipping and packing! It ends up being easily a grand more!

[@Sr.D]

Well that's the same case for Europeans wanting cheaper far east bike brands, customs, vat...it really sucks yeah.

[@PeakTorque]

Judging by those aero watts, at least i think your numbers are just aero watts, at 30kmh we must have roughly the same CdA of around 0.38. I am getting very similar numbers on my tcr with 50mm wheels (tested outside). Good to see the round bar wasn't detrimental, maybe even quicker by decreasing the freestream velocity before it hits your legs.

[@wesleygcoleman]

Every video you put out makes me more and more glad I bought a TCR. Just took my first ride on it yesterday and it’s miles more comfortable and faster than my 15-year-old alloy Trek.

[@litosoneja]

I agree, Giant TCR for me as well🚴🏽‍♂️

[@atgnicyclist]

Out of those 2 I’d go Giant all day. If it was between the last gen Ultimate then I’d have gone Canyon. The changes to the Canyon have not made it a better bike. Just more of a compromise. I’d also like to see what they are like inside. What’s the carbon layup like? Frame straightness and tolerances? After seeing Mapdec’s video of the Canyon Endurace and how that turned up and the fact Canyon are still turning out the Aeroad with a huge seatpost issue, I’d be staying well clear of Canyon from now on.

[@adamcoatham]

I’ve never ridden a TCR so can’t comment on that, but I just received my new Ultimate a few weeks ago and love it. I’ve wanted one for a few years ever since trying one at the NEC Bike Show, and the right bike came along at the right time (same spec and colour as your test one there actually!), and it’s such a nice ride, just puts a proper smile on my face every time I head out on it!

[@winds10]

I love my 2021 TCR. A fantastic bike for all the points mentioned by David. No complaints from me.

[@johannesteich478]

At first: I bought the Ultimate and I love it. I didn't had the possibility to test the TCR before, but I like the Design of the Ultimate and I live just one hour from Canyon/Koblenz. For most of us regular driver the aerodynamic differences should be more theory. As you said before in the first video with the wind tunnel, the position on the bike makes the biggest difference.

[@alvaroodeh4794]

Your Channel is the best David, real reviews not "lets show this demo bike" business, real feel and test comparisons, keep them coming !

[@davidarthur]

Thanks Alvaro glad you like it :)

[@rosscads]

Terrific review, it’s brilliant to see independent wind tunnel data! 👏🏻

[@davidarthur]

Thanks a ton!

[@luismartinho7044]

@@davidarthur love your vídeo and the wind túnel test. Put a scott addict rc vs your Giant in the wind runel

[@lambo79]

great wind test review. your result is a real eye opener... may just continue to keep the tcr in the stable!!

[@elmerrichardson6413]

I have both of these bikes, 2019 Ultimate CF SL (Ultegra) and 2021 Giant TCR ADV PC 2 (105). I got the Giant for climbing group rides, it's 50/34 crankset is perfect for tackling SoCal's hills and the Canyon (52/36 crankset) is preferred on flats, especially paved bike trails and paceline rides. I love them both, David is right about the Giant it is a bit smoother where as the Canyon's ride feels racier. Thanks David, for the review of my bikes.

[@arpatoz]

As simple it is, the main difference in your results seems to be coming from the stem length difference. You have lower drag due to your position on Giant, and any difference in bike aerodynamics won't compare to that. However, this still makes Giant TCR the much better bike for a very basic reason. It is not just difficult to change the stem length on Canyon; it is IMPOSSIBLE. Aeroad and Ultimate are both using the CP0018 integrated cockpit, and to this date, it has not been possible to buy the cockpit separately. You are locked in to what comes with the bike unless you can find someone to swap the cockpit with. And I've seen several reviews finding the stem length on Aeroad and Ultimate (e.g., 100mm on size medium) too short. Look at all the forums; so many people are looking for a CP0018 with a longer stem. I just don't understand how no one complains about this, and none of the Aeroad or Ultimate reviews mention this. If you have the new Aeroad or the new Ultimate, YOU CANNOT CHANGE THE STEM LENGTH. You are buying a bike on which you cannot make one of the most basic bike-fit adjustments. Good luck!

[@alpsatiroglu]

First of all thanks for this content. However going for all the hassle comparing the bikes in the wind tunnel you could simply change the stem on the giant to match the reach on the canyon. This would give more reliable results. You look more upright on the canyon possibly because of the shorter reach.

[@james5150]

Brilliant video! You're setting a new standard 👌 Taking this same approach to aero wheelsets would be fascinating (i.e. aero numbers vs. handling vs. comfort vs. build quality vs. price/warranty)

[@davidarthur]

Glad you enjoyed it James, and wheels is definitely on my list to do as well

[@17cream]

TCR strikes again 💪💪💪

[@DANISHKhanahmad]

This is a great video. Would be interesting to see a comparison between Giant Propel 2023 and Canyon Ultimate 2023.

[@billfrigo7602]

It's worth noting the rider's body makes up for 80% of the aero influence, where the bike itself makes up for only 20%... so your riding position (and size) is what matters most. Crunching the numbers on the bike itself, though a factor, shouldn't be the end-all be-all driving force of your bike purchase, especially if you're not a professional racer. Buy what you like. @3:30 vs @3:40 - look at his body position from the Canyon to the Giant - you can easily see his body position is lower (more aero) on the Giant. I am NOT advocating for Canyon here, nor am I bashing Giant (I ride a Bianchi)... just want to note the point.

[@lucassu9099]

Yeah. It seems to me that the reach difference (definitely not just a 10mm difference on stem) caused him a 20-30mm difference in height.

[@Bellerophon17]

I have an older Canyon Ultimate, so i was admittedly looking for faults here to make myself feel better 😄 I noticed the different position - it seems like his saddle is slightly further back on the TCR, and his shoulders and head are lower. He said that the aero lab engineers make efforts to ensure the rider is in an identical position, so it is surprising they didn't notice this. Maybe he changed position during the test or it's a trick of the camera perspective.

[@billfrigo7602]

@@Bellerophon17 - Yeah, agreed... and by no means am I trying to say negative things about David's hard work here. Just my two cents on the perception of realized aero benefits of the test here.

[@Bellerophon17]

@@billfrigo7602 Yup, me too

[@Dee-Ell]

He already said in the video that the wind tunnel equipment helps him maintain very close positions on both bikes. A few seconds of video means nothing. Besides, the camera recording those segments of the video was positioned slightly differently - you can clearly see that if you focus on the stationary elements of the scene, such as the door frame. Funny how you noticed his ever so slight apparent difference in positions but can’t see the difference with the fixed elements of the scene.

[@philjones6449]

I have a tcr advanced pro 2 2019 and it’s awesome. The only change made has been new tyres as the giant ones both split within the first 6 months of ownership. It’s a proper bike 🚴

[@GrouEEf]

Wow. Mind blown. This really amazes me. Please keep these tests coming. They'd be the best guide for future buyers. I don't care about subjective reviews much- "keeping the speed" really depends on the environment. But the wind tunnel test really matters to me. Please keep those coming. Currently I'm trying to decide between a Rose Xlite 06 and a litening race c68x from Cube. Wind tunnel data would really help that decision, but I know you don't have them. Just keep it coming, and build that library of wind tunnel data.

[@Abhitips224]

The difference in 10 watts is not just based on aero. It can be in the bb bearing drag, frame alignment, tolerances etc. A better quality bike will use less watts to move. I hope the power meter used was the same on both bikes.

[@mtsmithtube]

He did note that they are using slightly different group sets. So is it the frame or the components?

[@scottwatson7844]

The Giant’s lifetime frame warranty is also a lot better than Canyons.

[@pocwiczcycu]

I’m going with canyon, just crashed my s-works tarmac sl7, this time I’m going with something more affordable and I really like their crash replacement program. You can send your broken frame and receive new one with extremely reduced price. Canyon ultimate frame will cost around 800 usd to replace under this replacement program.

[@jaredgrubbs4009]

@@pocwiczcycu giant gave me a new advanced SL frame for free when I crashed mine under their 2 year free crash replacement policy. Combined with their warranty- I’ve bought 2 Advanced SLs in 11 years but had 5 new bikes with no-questions-asked warranty/crash replacements

[@pocwiczcycu]

@@jaredgrubbs4009 didn't know Giant also has it. Will look into it, thanks!

[@jeffv103]

I had an odd failure of the carbon at the top of the seat tube on my '16 TCR ADV Pro 1. Giant replaced the frame and fork and seat post with a new '19. No questions asked.

[@OZ-il1nm]

@@pocwiczcycu only for the first 6 years , not a lifetime.

[@simonq588]

Great video! Love the wind tunnel testing, please do more in the future. I love my 2021 Giant TCR. After 2 years of riding, I really can't find any reason to "upgrade". If I get another bike that will just because I want a different bike.

[@DEXVD]

Would really like to see you eventually compare the new Propel, the SL7 and the Soloist in the windtunnel.

[@jacksonyan1511]

Thank you so much for the comparison David. You did say you will look to compare both and now you delivered the promise. Love the work you put into it too, really great content with the wind tunnel test. Thanks again.

[@jacksonyan1511]

Dave, a suggestion if not already in place. It will be very helpful if you have a list of your wind tunnel test data posted in your website and updated over time. This will be a unique data point that i think no one else have at the moment?

[@davidarthur]

That’s a really good idea Jackson I’ll get working on the website soon 👍

[@SterlingStudios2012]

Great content here David, well done. Reading the comments, it makes sense to test with and without a rider. With different bike geometries creating another variable in rider position, it makes it hard to really point the finger at either frame as being more or less aero when mm in body position change make such a difference as covered in the last video showing a 70w difference by just getting forearms level from an upright position. On a side note, it would’ve been cool to see how they compared in their stock form with the wheels/tyres they are sold with, given the argument about value coming up, one has average house brand wheels, the other has a much more premium set. Keep up the good work!

[@danc1829]

Really makes you wounder why you'd buy the canyon 😂😂 all the faff of internal cables... All in one bar and stem so no adjustment... And no rim brake option in the canyon... Think I'll stick to my TCR 😂 newer doesn't mean better

[@GS-pk9rd]

Long time tcr adv sl owner here. 2015 model. Still a great bike and no slower than my more modern 'aero' bike. Mainly to do with agressive position, long stem etc. Cables and tube shapes not particularly relevant differentiators at this level; the rider is always the limiting factor. As for giant vs canyon, the value propsition is as its always been: a heavily-marketed direct to consumer model where warranty/ support issues can be an issue with outsourced manufacturing, vs a bike actually made in house and sold to the consumer through actual shops with a good quality, warranty and after sales service..

[@AstralVerse90]

I would like to see a comparison between specialized aetho vs TCR since they have similar geometry

[@pm7342]

Same here

[@hangchengchen4493]

Really nice. Wind tunnel testing is way more objective than advertising statement. When will you reveal Madorn and Aeroad wind tunnel data ?? just can't wait~~

[@jurezupan5324]

I appreciate your effort to compare bikes, but as I mentioned in the last video, I'm afriad that despite many things that you considered, you were still not fair in comparision - you used different bottle cages (why use them in the first place?), different stack heigth, stem length (what about handlebar width?) and drivetrain components... Also, how many km were made by each bike? If Canyon is new and TCR was already "broken-in", than this could make a difference. Also, how was the chain maintained/prepared? And how did you achieve the same position on the bikes if the stem on Canyon was too short? All 5 contact points (handlebar, pedals, seat) should be at exactly the same spot and even then it is difficult to completely repeat the position on bike. We are talking here about difference of just few watts, it coud be anything (bottle cage?...) or simply inside standard deviation. How many repeats were made? Is it possible that in first repeat, tires were not warmed up? There are so many factors that can influence and if you rely on a single try for each bike, you can make an error... I just want to say, that such test can show diffference between one try or another or between one setting to another, but I don't think it is fair to generalize and to conlcude that one bike is better than the other. Also, I think that such tunnel, which measure your watts is good to check your position on a bike, but comparing bikes, which represents very small portion of drag is very difficult if not impossible.

[@CallumDN]

Giant has just had really good prices over the last few years and that's that! These 2 bikes compared spec for spec groupset wise in Ulterga 12sp Di2 there is a HUGE difference in price for the Ultimate CF SLX version as in the video, Canyon is £6449 vs Giant £4999. That's £1450 difference for a same spec groupset bike! Even with the DT swiss 1400 Arc wheelset coming in at around £1700, giants SLR 1 will probably still be enough for the average cyclist. Still has ratchet hub for quick engagement and 42mm depth plenty deep enough for the majority of people going at 30kph. The difference will be in the frame as you can go down to the CF SL 8 and then the price is matched with Canyon being £4949 vs Giant £4999. So i would say the CF SL is the more sensible competitor for the giant TCR pro 1 advanced disc. But the only downside is with Canyon being direct to consumer and if something is wrong then its a headache to fix it, either send it back (TO GERMANY) or get a bike shop to look at it and canyon to approve a job quote for the amount the bike shop will ask to fix their mess. The later is slightly awkward with the bike shop selling bike brands then you asking to fix your direct to consumer bike which may be causing them a loss.

[@dzat]

Giant has always been best value....btw, the giant TT trinity have become the Kona ironman world champion wt Gustav Iden !!

[@DelTorres]

When I bought my TCR in 2022, it was best value out there. Same price as competition but offered Powermeter on top. Still happy with it. Sad to see the price increases (no Powermeter anymore for same price…) nowadays

[@felixdominick4428]

Really cool that you are doing wind tunnel testing

[@ooitzeyang]

Canyon's sizing naming scheme is slightly "larger". Their M is the Giant's ML. So both bikes are "equal" in sizing.

[@pj9375]

Great video and wow impressive for the 2 yr old TCR. I do love a TCR 😎

[@mylycanthrope]

I don't comment often but great work! Please keep testing more bikes. I greatly appreciate the honest review.

[@auswi]

I had a 2015 Giant TCR Adv Pro and now a 2020 TCR Adv Pro 1 Disc. Whilst they might not be the fanciest bikes around, it is hard to argue the bang for buck. When it's time for a new bike, the next Giant TCR will be top of the shopping list, and I would need a lot of convincing to go to another brand. I never used SRAM gear, but from my research, never will. More expensive, heavier, and based on this wind tunnel testing, quite possibly not as efficient either (surely the frame alone can't make that much difference - given the Canyon has "aero" bars).

[@freebird61885]

Great content, David. This is some good stuff.

[@davidarthur]

Thanks Andy means a lot

[@chuckfrizzell8668]

Well done comparison. I’ll take one of each!!! Many thanks for your efforts.

[@woolfel]

I have an old giant and a new Orbea Orca OMX. The orbea 2022 is stiffer and more comfortable than my 2011 giant, but the giant cost me a lot less. The giant was my first carbon fiber bike and was about 2K US, whereas orca omx was over 6K. The giant is lighter and still a great bike.

[@davekashuba4730]

This was a great review! It was nice to hear both positives and negatives. The TCR you had pictured in the price comparison had their own SLR wheelset vs the DT Swiss wheelset on the Ultimate, so maybe that closes the price gap? I'm not a fan of that SLR wheelset. Anyway, thanks for doing a proper comparison.

[@alexflorance1111]

According to most reviews the giant SLR wheels are outstanding, so although there’s probably a much bigger cost to canyon in using DT Swiss, I’m not sure you’re really gaining much if anything with the quality of the rims

[@Hippiehansie]

100% Giant Tcr ! Current canyon designs have a lot of design flaws and problems! And I should know unfortunately sold my canyon aeroad to buy the new model aeroad! Nothing but trouble! Canyon used to be so reliable but lately they've been making a mess of it.

[@kitpandikit]

So I guess we can cross out the cables being exposed as a negative in terms of aero?

[@natheirabu-dahab1446]

Not necessarily. The only way you'd be able to do that is take one bike with exposed cables, test it, hide the cables on the same bike, test it again and if it shows exposed cables are more (or equally) aero then we can but only for that bike.

[@freebird61885]

Nah. If the Giant’s cables were hidden, it probably would’ve been 1 watt even faster. Full internal routing is such a PITA, though. Worth it, maybe, only for looks.

[@tomrachellesfirstdance7843]

@@freebird61885 your right I think it is just an aesthetic feature more than anything else

[@SichardRamuels]

What about getting the Vitus Vitesse Evo involved? Stock seems pretty good now and, on the face of it, value for money is possibly even better than the Giant.

[@leetdude]

Surprising data especially with the one piece integrated handle bar that hides the cables. Keep it up!

[@Dee-Ell]

So it’s mostly marketing for mere cycling mortals.

[@BurgerTime7441]

For subsequent aero tests, please test with two bottles in the cages, since that's how most of us ride all the time.

[@carlochannel5027]

very very good comparison, detailed, precise. Thank you, fantastic video

[@PaganiZondaF650hp]

Regarding the price: Giant also raised the prices and no longer has powermeters on their Ultegra (Di2) equipped Advanced Pro bikes. No force axs version in Germany but the ultegra di2 version is only 500€ cheaper than the ultimate slx force ax’s which comes with a quart powermeter and the dt Swiss wheels. Well worth the 500€ more if you are already spending that much money. The one piece Cockpit and internal cables suck though…

[@markreams3192]

Very nice with good specs. For me, press fit BB’s are a deal killer! For recreational cyclists integrated bar stem is a pain in the a**! Less of a pain with wireless electronic shifting. Disc brake cables don’t need servicing very often. Canyon needs to come up with a system where the rider can get the correct bar width and stem length without paying extra and installing it themselves.

[@crimson7422]

For the price of the Giant you can also get a Cube Agree C62 SLT. Which is equipped with a Dura-Ace Di2. Could you put this into the comparison or review it as well?

[@richardpolidore1702]

I agree with Giant giving a better deal. But I'll have the Revolt advanced pro 0. Dropper post capability or put a set of road rims.

[@borasumer]

Amazing comparison. Thanks for all the effort! May I ask what was the burgundy Sportsful jersey you were wearing in the video?

[@swazi5]

Great comparison. Really surprised the giant tested better with wind resistance, don't see how. Would be really interested how the ribble endurance sl would stack up here.

[@alexflorance1111]

Gutted if you’ve just bought a new ultimate- could’ve saved yourself a fortune and got a quicker better looking and comfier TCR😂 spend the saved cash on some aero socks

[@jacksonyan1511]

There is a weight consideration though. I think on this 2 bikes, the difference is quite a bit.

[@DickKnorr]

Let’s get you on an ebike on a velodrome at set power cranking laps on different wheels to see what wheels actually are the best.

[@daanherbes6148]

1 point in favor of The ultimate - I’ve put in 40!Mm tires, so for me thé ultimate is much more versatile as I dont need a dérivâtes gravelbike anymore.

[@joeappleby2468]

David can you get a steel bike in the wind tunnel and compare that against the TCR?

[@tonyd5111]

Correctl me if I'm wrong but when you did your review on your own bike the TCR, it weighed in at over 8 kg. Not light weight not even close to being light weight. In fact heavy as in very. Do watch almost all your content 😊.

[@davidarthur]

Yeah it’s heavier than the Canyon, not a lot, but on the road the difference is negligible in my experience

[@Jacob99174]

Battle of the press fit BB’s!!!

[@dennislastochkin]

👍 More testing like this! Propel vs System six.

[@whizler]

Should have introduced the TCR first, then asked, "You can't really do better, or Canyon?" :D

[@pinkertonpunk]

Very surprised to see you running the Enve tires. Had a pair on my Madone last year and just went slower all year compared to running GP5000s. A friend had the same experience with them and we’re both surprised no one else seems to be talking about it or having the same experience. Curious if you have thoughts of your own on the matter.

[@stevevarga8621]

I’m curious if the longer stem made the big difference because the Canyon clearly looks more aero. It just shows how difficult it is to compare 2 different bikes.

[@davidarthur]

A longer reach is going to help you stretch out a bit more, we’re talking 10mm difference, but I aimed for the same positions on both using the wireframe outline in the wind tunnel

[@Dee-Ell]

“Looks more aero” means nothing. There is wind tunnels for a reason.

[@protonjicari5990]

I now prefer hybrid cable routing! Full internal cable route gave me headaches, just thinking about changing my handle bars gives me headache! … I just saw Giants 2 cable outside the handle bars and it gave me relief, that’s all 😅

[@novice2adroitness804]

I'm just asking here about value in the comparison. For the price the Ultimate gives you name brand DT Swiss 1100 Dicut wheels and Giant gives you there in house wheel (SLR 1). Which wheel set is best because you have to compare equipment given for the price and not using a different "high-end" set of wheels that neither bike comes with?

[@yukalbert38]

please do more wind tunnel tests like thid on aero bikes

[@Gianniz27]

TCR is not more aero. Tour Mag tested it properly. Ultimate is about 10 watts faster in their protocoll. (old modell, which is identical with new Ultimate). In this case, rider position is more aero due to longer stem. But that shows the bullshit marketing of manufacturers, in reality frame aero is basically doesnt matter, rider position is what matters.

[@chrisblanchard4938]

From what I can see from the wind tunnel testing is that we were sold on the aero benefit of the aero bar/clean cockpit area. Am i wrong here?

[@tomektitan4582]

Why have you left different bottle cages on those bikes for aero testing? Does it not make any difference?

[@Questioneverything72]

I wish you could do more wind tunnel testing. If expensive maybe some TT testing to get an idea. Canyon aero road CF slx, compare to Tarmac SL 7. What about Ribble bikes ( competitive price point). Also I wish in each video you include weight information. I can’t make a decision on which bike I want. Many manufacturers don’t give weight information. So hard to choose.

[@frankezendam5409]

Nice comparrison. One question though. The Canyon has a powermeter added, how about the Giant? That might explain the price difference.

[@MagicFrisby]

Hi, In your video weight was not discussed. How do both bikes compare? Maybe doing a hill on road test could document their differences. Great content from the wind tunnel great job.

[@MrEnlakesh]

Great job David! Thank you 👍

[@wsbygt]

Top review and really an eye-opener as looking at Canyon´s frontal area (fork and integrated handlebar) I deeply believed that the TCR had alot worst CdA. Thank you!

[@bluemystic7501]

I think the difference came down to riding position. The TCR doesn't pass the eyeball test. Also, if we're testing how aero a bike is, why is there a rider on it?

[@sktang7145]

Hi Dave, greetings from Singapore. In fact, I bought and still have 2 TCRs and a Defy after watching your reviews. Thanks for the great reviews. Btw, looking at the C68 for the next project 😅. Have you tested the aerodynamics for this beautiful Colnago? Cheers

[@davidarthur]

Hey Sk good to hear you're enjoying your Giants! I haven't put the C68 in the wind tunnel yet but might do soon

[@sktang7145]

@@davidarthur looking forward to that. Cheers.

[@scottschaus4619]

What saddles are on each bike? The TCR appears to have carbon rails, the Canyon has alloy or Ti rails, yes? Try the saddle from the TCR on the Canyon-does ride quality come closer to TCR then? Also, for ride quality comparison, you might use same wheels on both bikes, as you did for the wind tunnel experiments.

[@davidarthur]

I used same wheels and tyres on the road and wind tunnel and put the saddle from the Giant into the Canyon for this reason

[@nicholasclarke5180]

Very interesting, David. Do you have any sense as to what your preference would be if you were comparing the Canyon Ultimate CFR against the Giant TCR Advanced SL 0?

[@zimboy777]

considered these 2 bikes recently and settled on the TCR advanced pro 0 - it has grown on me once loosened up a bit - second time I have come close to buying Canyon but now have 5+ Giants in family - Giant feels solid in straight line not super agile but handling and compliance outstanding for a race bike - and the new Propel looks tempting - I think Giant still ahead?

[@donwinston]

I believe the new Propel is light enough to make the TCR redundant.

[@bluemystic7501]

I love the testing but your riding position was a little lower on the TCR, maybe by 2 inches? Obviously super hard to be dead on exact given the difference in stem length.

[@jeffh7175]

Trying to decide between a Defy and TCR. Is the Defy really that much more comfortable for longer rides?

[@davidmurphy3558]

Some people aren’t as flexible. The Defy has a taller head tube than the TCR which is the primary frame geometry difference between them.

[@gymkirk3877]

How much room do you have to go up or down with spacers on a stock Giant?

[@michaellarkin6158]

Was looking at this decision. But availability meant the TCR. No buyers regrets

[@Junnys_Bicycle_Hoard]

The fork on the TCR “bows” out a bit more than the Ultimate. That could account for a few watts difference.

[@ironore8677]

I’m 5’10”. I know you ride medium at 5’11”. Canyons site puts me on a size small. My concern is stem will be too short since 1 inch taller puts me on a medium. Any suggestion ?

[@Youtubefana]

Bravo for the windtunnel test

[@PedalMat]

I'd be interested to see the wind tunnel results using the same set of wheels to better indicate the impact of the frame shape. The Giant looks like it had deeper wheels, so not that fair to compare.

[@davidarthur]

I used the same Enve wheels and tyres on both bikes in the wind tunnel to remove that variable

[@PedalMat]

@@davidarthur thanks for the quick reply. Sorry, I'd missed that 🙂

[@npa5825]

Both great bikes. Haven't seen a Giant win a race in quite some time. But I've seen Canyon win a lot lately including today's Paris-Roubaix

[@jkhaled85]

I have bought the Canyon ultimate cf sl 8 with di2 ultegra and carbon wheels (2023), this one is €5000 the specs of the TCR are similar to this bike. The new model of the TCR is €5900 only the wheels are slightly better I think. So I do not agree with the price comparison made in this video.

[@defimaster403]

I think it’s the body position that is affecting the results. If you look at it closely, your body is a bit up right when riding Canyon Ultimate.

[@Dee-Ell]

He clearly states that the wind tunnel monitors help him maintain a very close position on both bikes. And you think you know better just by watching a 3 seconds segment? I think some Canyon fanboys can’t accept the results.

[@RH_01779]

Anyone had any experience with Polygon strattos 8D? Seems like a great value with full Ultegra group set.

[@bernhardspoettel2686]

Hi David, can not wait for the domane data.... when it will shown ?

[@BennyOcean]

Nice vid. Any thoughts on the TCR compared to a similarly priced Scott Addict?

[@beetrootpower7440]

Giant has been making bikes forever and for the best brand out there apart from themselves , any doubts ?

[@therealwogboy]

great work as always. could canyon be slower in the tunnel due to your position ?