Capitalism's Shadow: Is Fascism Capitalism In Decay?

[@einmensch-nt9si]

I once saw a joke where fascism, communism and liberalism look at each other and each says "these two? They are about the same to me!"

[@achimkunisch8619]

That is acually a nice politican joke.

[@einmensch-nt9si]

@@achimkunisch8619 the best part is that it's true, especially if you try to dive deeper into the topic Fascist: these two internationalist scum? Communist: these two imperialist imbeciles? Libertarian: these two statist idiots?

[@charmyzard]

Clever.

[@Gingerphile00]

sums it up yes.

[@user-rw6mn1qi9j]

And only the communist is right

[@MonsieurDean]

My ice cream melting too fast is capitalism in decay.

[@MiddleAncient]

ello MonsieurDean :D

[@jkgzjhp1705]

realy sad why would capitalism do this

[@voxpopuli7910]

So trve

[@MonsieurDean]

@@MiddleAncienthello friend!

[@MonsieurDean]

@@jkgzjhp1705revenge against Joe Biden’s favorite treat?

[@theuniverse5173]

Fascism is thing i dont like in decay

[@Sawdust_]

ill do you one better: Fascism is thing i dont like

[@charmyzard]

@@Sawdust_ Explains everything.

[@cosmo9925]

I just realized your channel name is “Lavader” and not “Lavender”

[@kotzpenner]

Lavender Town

[@ananon5771]

yes, i'm not the only one!

[@ziopera9601]

Lavandiere, Lavahunter, Levandonia

[@gamera5160]

Lava Lamp

[@garrettfulks2932]

Fascism is democracy not capitalism in decay. Capitalism in decay is either corporatism or kleptocracy.

[@Web720]

My guy literally typed out corporatism, the wrong term, on a channel that goes indepth and known for on what corporatism is. The term you are looking for is Corporatocracy.

[@garrettfulks2932]

@@Web720 I meant to say monopolies

[@nevadataylor]

If capitalism creates corporatism and kleptocracy, then why is capitalism not responsible for the outcomes of corporatism or kleptocracy? I find that the problem with the capitalist religion, is that most pro-capitalists can never connect the dots. I find they do this on purpose to maintain their religion.

[@simonpetrikov3992]

⁠@@nevadatayloris one of the outcome of coporatism and kleptocracy fascism?

[@MJ2A]

@@nevadataylorWouldn’t that be no different than asking why do socialist regimes often end up into Stalinist or Maoist levels of totalitarianism? Of course they’re not the same, but they always seemingly follow similar patterns that make them end up that way

[@parllax]

TBH it's not worth dying on hill to argue against a tankie

[@Darth_Bateman]

After reading the Magic of Thinking Big, I always ask myself this SAME question every SINGLE time I am spoken down to on the net by some idiot who CLEARLY lacks braincells. "Is arguing with this Taki-Flavored-Monkey Thinking Big?"

[@GarrulousHerald]

You think that a tankie can kill you? You overestimate your enemy. No wonder he gets to walk all over you. Your perceptions are out of line with reality. You attribute to him far more than he is capable of.

[@IcePea379]

​@@GarrulousHerald so TRUE my friend

[@Xo-3130]

The fact that Lenin wrote that Capitalism can not be destroyed, or even decay, due to its own mechanisms kind of shows that its not. Because decaying Capitalism would by Lenin's own admission repair itself.

[@dokitachi]

the very point of the argument that fascism is an arm of capitalism is that it is one of capitalism's ways of 'fixing itself' - in other words, that the will of capital can bring about fascism if it leads to its perpetuation and expansion

[@Web720]

​@@dokitachi Arm of capitalism? 🤣🤣

[@ManiacMayhem7256]

Also note that Lenin never said fascism was capitalism in decay

[@dokitachi]

@leomate8301 how is catholicism related? also, can you prove to me that capital can never bring about a totalitarian state if it benefits it?

[@charlesramirez587]

​@leomate8301capitalism was never laissez-faire it was national self interest in a liberal perspective at best. The development and organization of western Economies weren't adherents to an ideology nor even uniform in interests ev3n in the same class. Ww1 in and of itself disproves the notion of a materialistic capital self interest as well as the wall street funding of the USSR. Or the entire reason the USSR has industry or skilled labor.

[@user-ek9vo2ub9b]

Socialist Party in Italy: "Lol. You want your lifestyle supported" *GIOVINEZZA SYNTH WAVE BEGINS* Socialist Party in Italy: "Why do I hear footsteps and Boss Music?"

[@nevadataylor]

Yeah then reality sets in after reading a book or 2 youll find out Mousillini, when coming to power, killed all the Socialists and Communists. Same goes for Hitler in whats come to be known as 'the night of long knives'.

[@zandrus9191]

There is Henry Ashby Turners "Big Business and the Rise of Hitler", while for Italy, you can get yourself "Italian Industrialists from Liberalism to Fascism" by Franklin Adler. Very good books!

[@robertortiz-wilson1588]

Eh. Political financing versus core long-term ideological applications.

[@theshakhrayist7649]

Big Business and the Rise of Hitler is too expensive though.

[@night6724]

@@theshakhrayist7649It’s available for free on Archive.org and a JSTOR publication which summarizes the book

[@Iron_Wyvern]

It's obviously not. That's an old leftist line that's easily discredited.

[@sbevexlr848]

Just watch the video for God's sake

[@kolopee]

@@sbevexlr848No, and you’re retarded.

[@ManiacMayhem7256]

​@@sbevexlr848 Exactly.

[@levelzanimations]

yes, fascism is capitalism in crisis and the final defense of capitalism

[@levelzanimations]

it's the final defense of the capitalist class

[@charmyzard]

Everyone misses the point blaming capitalism when it's really a problem of neoliberalism and its blatant corporatocracy. Mexico is *the* best example you can see of this today. We were in stagnation and misery until we shed neoliberalism, and now we're apparently one of the fastest growing potential world powers. Who would've said?

[@Azurethewolf168]

This is what I hate about how so many people now blame capitalism for problems either inherent in neoliberalism or the human condition

[@Sceptonic]

Tankies conflate capitalism with neoliberalism because, as Lavader pointed out, they only see the world as a materialist struggle.

[@tastethecock5203]

Well capitalism never had any clear definition of what its supposed to be. Its always been a descriptive changing term, changing to fit in current economic system that is not socialism or feudalism. It predates Marx in that regard. So it is always have been used to describe current state of affairs

[@dill1332]

Capitalism is the problem, but communism is not the solution.

[@notmysteriousthief4629]

@@dill1332 Capitalism is an attempted solution to an original problem that everyone has forgotten about to the dustbin of history. How do we create a truly prosperous economic system? Which Capitalism has somewhat brought. It is technically possible to live a prosperous life, you're just dealt a shitty deck. At least you're dealt a deck you can do something with somewhat. In Communism, your card is assigned to you with little chance of it being anything other than a numbered drone. If you're useful, in Capitalism, you'll be used. That's your best hope, is being valuable enough to be used and made happy. In Communism, it really doesn't matter what you CAN do, they always assign what you WILL do.

[@nathantupper]

As much as I am not a monarchist, I deeply appreciate your research into these topics and your willingness to be specific in calling out issues in these movements.

[@HappyGuy-cn9po]

I feel the same way.

[@bastiat691]

Look up the IRI, from the fact that the italian fascists nationalized more than 90% of industry after taking power tells you what their relationship with capitalists were like.

[@yurika.matsui55]

source?

[@bastiat691]

@@yurika.matsui55 Gianni Toniolo - The Oxford Handbook of the Italian Economy Since Unification - Oxford University Press

[@yurika.matsui55]

@@bastiat691 Cheers! Edit: so I got intrigued and found the 2013 edition of the book. I searched it for key words "nationalization", "nationalize" and all variations and found nothing relating to a 90% nationalized during fascist period. Searching for "state owned" and variants didn't bring it up either. I did a search on the 90% and it brought up debt to GDP ratios, not nationalization.

[@bastiat691]

@@yurika.matsui55 Apologies, I had to go and look myself as well, realized i forgot to give you another source as well that is relevant; the 90% was only of the shipbuilding industry, also 100% of war related industries (including military steel production), and 80% of shipping and 80% of train-engine construction, (L'economia dell' Italia fascista. By Gianni Toniolo), from the oxford book; by January 1934, the IRI held 48.5 percent of the share capital of Italy, and by May 1934 three quarters of the Italian industrial and agricultural economy was in the hands of the state, (page 59 in the aforementioned book). I think after that they stopped reporting figures, at least these books has no more data beyond that on percentage of the economy owned, but it probably didn't get better.

[@EldenRingBuildsArchive]

That was a necessary defense, after all, Russia wouldn’t have been communist, if the revolutionaries weren’t financed by capitalists from New York.

[@quedtion_marks_kirby_modding]

Once you realise that this is concept is wrong, you realize that the entire late stage capitalism conspiracy theory is wrong. I mean, if the fact that we have been in "late stage" capitalism for decades now didn't disproved it already, lol.

[@ironinquisitor3656]

Nations like Italy and Spain were more agrarian than industrialized when Fascism and Falangism took over. In order to be in "Late Stage Capitalism" a nation must be fully industrialized. So this fantasy condition of "Late Stage Capitalism" was not there in those countries then.

[@williemherbert1456]

Well, not really, they're right as well but lacking complete understanding on not generalizing everything into one single thread down to the trodden into imagined end. Late capitalism in essence is economy overdrive, but without contributing much into the well-being of many, in erstwhile toppling one magnate against the others within already overtly saturated market to scrape remaining capital into safeguarding what they remain. We can see this right now with how money being poured more and more to the market and yet not being productive to put us into betterment at all, sure thing that healthy economy must experience its full cycles but nevertheless should be anticipated with mitigative approach from the get-go. Fascism here being glanced by said businesses magnates as instant and easy safe approach to solve these shit they had made while safeguarding what remain in their hold within the status quo institution of politic and economy, being radical enough to shake things up but not demolishing everything, and they're right for it. As stated here that fascism was running in both normative and prerogative within the framework of legality and bureaucracy of the state, also as explained in those two previous episodes that fascism running on populist ideas fit to the frame well and national revivalism also indicating enfranchisement of old class in its part.

[@Spido68_the_spectator]

Which is why it's starting to be dropped. Because, in the end, it's just capitalism and its (not so great) consequences.

[@Web720]

These people were saying for decades that it's "late-stage" capitalism. Omg, industrial revolution and the horrors of industrial workplace? Late-stage capitalism. Omg, the gilded age? Late-stage capitalism. Omg, WW1? Late-stage capitalism.. Omg, the great depression? Late-stage capitalism. Omg, WW2? Late-stage capitalism. ETC, ETC, ETC. We will always be in a "Late-stage capitalism" phase to them, even if living standards improve (again compare the beginning to now). This doesn't mean there are no problems, but it also doesn't mean we are in late-stage capitalism.

[@quedtion_marks_kirby_modding]

@@Web720 This people lack any ounce if self awareness. I remember seeing a video of a guy saying covid will end capitalism.

[@Ushmadand]

How are some of yall disagreeing with the video title despite it being physically impossible (except on x2 speed) to watch it completely by the time you commented

[@RockSolitude]

Bro just discovered that most people just read the headline

[@nevadataylor]

@@RockSolitude I dont think capitalists have enough intelligence to know how to read.

[@GarrulousHerald]

@@nevadataylor "waaaa waaaa waaaa" It's not like the capitalists are the ones that read the signs of human bartering and the resulting markets and it's the communists and often socialists that are too illiterate to understand economics so they just reject the whole thing and then fail miserably.

[@tisFrancesfault]

An issue that is ever prevalent is the conflation of political systems with economic ones. Democracies, Monarchies, and Communists regimes can and are all capitalist (the US, Thailand and China all being capitalist economies). The funny thing is, Capitalism was once the "left wing" idea in its time of conception, in contrast to Manorial/feudal systems and Mercantilism. Fascism is not capitalism in decay, its more accurate to say perception of social decay (the accuracy of that is irrelevant, Its the emotive notion that is), This perception can be exacerbated by poor economy however. Of course economics and politics are always inexorably linked. Failing economics of a state all may encourage fascism. Failing socialist , democratic, feudal and socialist economies may all lead to fascist governments in the right conditions. fascist Governments can be extreme and radical in oversight of economy, regardless of how it functions. Fascism has however had more success in Capitalist countries and I think this is where an error arises... because it was a time when Capitalism was the standard system.

[@ramen201]

Day 15 of asking you to do a video on Franco and the Falangists

[@Wumaomaster1428]

You should watch the video by zoomer historian about the Spanish civil war

[@maestroenwebear]

Hope that lavader also talks about the differences within Ramiro Ledesma and José Antonio.

[@korvmaster229]

@@Wumaomaster1428 bro that guy is a nazi

[@ramen201]

@@Wumaomaster1428 watched.

[@lloydgush]

Comparing falangism and getulism or peronism would be interesting.

[@ElClaudioBasado]

@Lavader_ one another example of conservative allign dictatorships destroys Facism, is one quote of Miguel Serrano Fernández (famous Latin american Esoteric Hitlerian) that explains how Pinochet destroyed the chilean facist and natsoc movements in the country

[@PetroBeherha]

By replacing it with his own brand of dictatorship? Wasn’t he propped up by the Americans to replace a democratically-elected (albeit left-wing) president for fear they will align with the Soviets?

[@grimz8158]

the typical communist quote

[@nevadataylor]

Thats spot on.

[@omegarealmsbans1914]

What I think the Marxists and Capitalists don't quite get is that both are materialist ideologies concerned chiefly with what gets produced and who gets it. Fascism is not solely materialist and goes into some very strange territory for modern people including the "Retvrn" meme and belief in a glorious heroic past that can be revived in the modern day. It's also why Islamism and Hindutva seem so strange to Western observers, they're all in effect pre-modern ideologies that have survived into the present.

[@legchairhistorian5496]

Capitalism isn’t an ideology though. Only an economic model.

[@omegarealmsbans1914]

@@legchairhistorian5496 I've heard Communists say the same. Neither are entirely true.

[@valentinkrajzelman4649]

yeah, with the loss of christianity and social order in europe, nationalism and other such 'replacements' came and go, and failed to stop the cinicism of european nationals, its a century later and things are worse than ever

[@stevecink]

this is not what materialist means lmao

[@legchairhistorian5496]

@@omegarealmsbans1914 I suppose. The capitalist system is just giving people the freedom to trade as much as possible, you know non-interference which can be called an ideology in the way that it attacks classes dependant on controlling such things, though that is more a coincidence. The communist model however is based on taking over the state and seizing everything for central control. Far more ideological the way I see it. One can have more freedom in other aspects of life and facets of government in a capitalist system while communism necessitates government interference in all walks of life. Though of course it can either promote homosexuality or kill any homosexual so it is non-defined it that way.

[@user-pt5xc1pp4z]

I often think, If Fascism where to rise again in a new unique form, Would we argue new points and facts about it? Fascism isn't a monolith, We only have three examples of it in history and that was so long ago now, If it were to come back again(Given our social climate of decay and moral relativism it's highly likely)what would be different? Would new thinkers seek to redefine Fascism?

[@Oldfogey82]

For awhile I thought a more liberal, socially progressive form of it would make sense in the United States. Although that was also around the time I was examining futurism. Although most people who call themselves third positionists tend to appeal more to tradition.

[@stevecink]

“A complete neo-fascism is setting up shop, in relation to which the old fascism appears as a figure from folklore. Instead of being a politics and economy of war, neo-fascism is a global agreement for security, for the administration of a no less horrible "peace," with the concerted organization of all the little fears, all the little anxieties that make us into so many micro-fascists, assigned to stifle anything that is even slightly strong, every slightly strong face, every slightly strong word in his street, her neighborhood, his movie theater.” - Felix Guattari (Everyone Wants to be a Fascist)

[@chief8559]

It’s a monolith

[@gabrielaldworth7476]

Will you ever do a video on C H Douglas's Social Credit financial system?

[@horacioelconserjeopina3956]

What books should I read on CH Douglas?

[@gabrielaldworth7476]

@@horacioelconserjeopina3956 probably "Social Credit", "The Fig Tree" and "The Political Economy of Social Credit and Guild Socialism"

[@crusader2112]

3:44 Some Communists believe that Mussolini had help from British Intelligence. I don’t believe it, but it’s an interesting tidbit. Keep up the great work. 👍 Speaking of traditional Authority vs Fascism. One group of men who tried to overthrow Mustache Man was the Oster Conspiracy. A group of military and intelligence officers centered around Hans Oster. They wanted to overthrow the N*zi government and many wanted a return of the Monarchy. So, you could say Monarchists were some of the biggest opponents of Mustache Man.

[@ivanrenic4243]

True, don't forget the Hapsburgs and the Anschluss of Austria. Hitler feared Otto von Habsburg would take the position of Chancellor, and Otto was staunchly anti-nazi from the beginning. The operation of essentially annexing Austria was named "Unternehmen Otto" by the Germans. Austrian monarchists were among the first victims of Hitler and during the war they had an organised resistance. Even long before that, Austrian dictator/chancellor Engelbert Dollfuss, monarchist catholic, was murdered in office by the nazis

[@crusader2112]

@@ivanrenic4243 Very true, yes. Franz Ferdinand’s children were also persecuted under the Third R*ich. Mustache man seems to have had a vendetta against the Habsburgs. In Mein Kampf he goes over why their Empire was doomed and there was one event when he was living in poverty in Vienna and he saw Karl Von Habsburg and his wife Zita at a hotel and H*tler felt this intense hatred almost envy at them.

[@ivanrenic4243]

@@crusader2112 it makes sense, when you think of it. Hapsburgs are what kept Austria independent from Germany in many ways, it was also a multicultural, multi-ethnic state with rather tolerant views and founded on Catholic principles. There was not a thing about the empire for him NOT to hate

[@crusader2112]

@@ivanrenic4243 And Franz Ferdinand had a plan to elevate the southern Slavs to a status like Hungary and perhaps create a United States of Greater Austria. Mustache Man would’ve been horrified. Good talk. Peace ✌🏻

[@ivanrenic4243]

@@crusader2112 yes, God bless you

[@Pancasilaist8752]

Anyone who thinking that fascism is capitalism with violence clearly doesn't know anything about EIC or VOC.

[@Dakotastx]

I would only point out that national socialism was very much socialism more so than fascism The n@zis didn’t so much ally with businesses as nationalize them in all but name. Their economic model was probably way more similar to Stalin’s than they would like to admit. The NSDAP hated communists because it was a global ideology, whereas national socialism was focused on unifying one people, but the actual economics weren’t so different and actually borrowed primarily from Marxist thought leaders

[@aktuellyattee8265]

This is the best and most accurate video on fascism you've done so far, good job.

[@Spido68_the_spectator]

Wow. Your description of this movement is SPOT ON. By far the best content (that and previous videos) about it i watched ! The thrid positioning of it is misurderstood by most people, left and right alike, because they can't graps that concept in their thought. I am grateful for your videos, as they helped a lot in shaping or assuring my views and ideas, thanks to closer - to - objective content. I was wondering about the possible incompleteness and limitations of marxism as a way of thought (every way of thought has limitations), and this video put it into form for me. How convenient! I hope the anti - c@pitalist right rises soon enough to challenge the status quo.

[@karlisulmanis3810]

To answer the question in the title - fascism is just one of many types of socialism, which is just the opposite of capitalism.

[@Faustobellissimo]

It's the other way around! Capitalism is fascism in decay. Post-War capitalism boomed after fascism decayed.

[@Alte.Kameraden]

The National Socialist Welfare State is a good example on where this notion is obviously wrong. Issue is most people who think Fascist regimes are Capitalist don't understand what Capitalism is, or even Socialism. They fail to grasp the concepts of Public vs Private Ownership. They even think something like a Political Party is "Privately Owned." Which is often the justification to ignore Nazi Socialist programs. Some Socialist will admit to an extent that Mussolini's regime was somewhat Socialist, but oh boy if you try to convince them the Nazis were Socialist it's insane the reaction you get. What I find worse is people who say the Soviet Union was Socialist yet then says the Fascist and Nazis were the polar opposite, despite both Fascist Italy and National Socialist Germany had a lot of similarities to the Soviet Union and how they structured the economy just they didn't do it to the extreme you see in the USSR. In the end the primary differences between Fascist Regimes and Marxist Regimes comes down to how they handle the Revolution ie dismantling of the old State and replacing it with the new State, the Party slowly becomes the State over time as the role of the old state is replaced by the Party. and preserving what they perceive to be Society. Tragically this process of Replacing the old State with the new State is often called Privatization by moronic Socialist because they view a Fascist Party as a Private Entity unlike a Marxist Party which is considered a People's Party. Ya you can quickly see the problem in the Private Party logic vs Public Party logic. Being Fascist consider their political parties Populous Parties as well. Marxist want to uproot the land, and then till the soil, however by doing so destroying what crops already existed. Fascist literally want to take the already tiled/planted soil and weed out the nasty capitalist elements out of it over time like a surgeon would removing a cancer, hopefully keeping the body intact. In hoping it preserves the National Spirit of the Nation. Meanwhile Marxist regimes as a result of the Uprooting almost completely wipe out the cultural identity of the Nation that once existed. Their end result is often the same, a Totalitarian State where everything in society is part of the Central State. Marxist just create a new Identity after building the Socialist State, while Fascist try to preserve the existing Identity while implementing a Socialist like system in the Fascist State. it's actually funny, as I consider Italian Fascism to be a cousin of Marxism. Meanwhile German Nazism is a variation of German Social Democracy, combined economic elements from Marxism and the veneer of Italian Fascism. Now there are some contradictions, as often what the Fascist Party deems the 'identity' of the Nation may vary. For example German Conservatives and Nazis didn't get along well because they had different views on what the "Nation" even was.

[@svschi]

I love the very subtle pun at the end😂 Without a "second thought"😂 For those who don't know, there is a socialist KZbin channel called Second Thought, that is filled to the brim with double standards and logical inconsistencies

[@wall4325]

Hey, I noticed in some of your older videos a discord invite link that no longer work. Do you still have a discord server?

[@crouton7070]

no lol, socialism is capitalism in decay

[@ramen201]

Tf are you talking about dude ?

[@ashawesome7234]

@@ramen201the incredibly short version of what this refers to. Both socialism and capitalism are materialist ideologies. When the oligarchy or soon to be new oligarchs can no longer extract wealth from markets (usually due to death of institutions) and having no concept of the transcendent, turn to socialism to gain/maintain power.

[@MJ2A]

@@ashawesome7234So the new deal

[@crouton7070]

@@ashawesome7234holy crud you said it way better than i ever could

[@simonbrosseau1783]

Socialism is the decay of capitalism.

[@msmith1890]

Would Tsarist Russia's economy be classified Capitalist or Corporatist?

[@crusader2112]

I’d say is was feudal, though it was modernizing and industrializing and was on its way to joining Europe in the industrial world, but sadly WW1 happened and we all know how that played out.

[@maestroenwebear]

Feudalism with Russian characteristics.

[@Spido68_the_spectator]

It was feudal with capitalism growing inside of it.

[@charlesramirez587]

​@@maestroenwebearit was not fuedal it was closer to an early modern nation state. The serfs were emancipated generations before the war and such contracts as a lord vassal relationship were not common. Think share cropping. If you want to look at a fuedal corporatist state look at Meiji to 1945 Japan.

[@robertmartin6800]

Neither.

[@night6724]

2:00 - No they didn’t. They only joined their side after they took power. The same thing happened in Russia and China, even Cuba to an extent

[@jagd7102]

Tldr, no, its not.

[@aleistergwynne]

I found Ernst Fraenkel's theory of the normative state vs. the prerogative state to be quite intriguing. I think there is something to it, because it aligns with some of my own observations. It also helped me figure out just what authoritarianism is. Authoritarianism is a term often bandied about these days, but I doubt most people could define it in words, even though most people intuitively know what is meant by it. It is for this reason that, even though I dislike the term "authoritarianism" because it is too broad, I do not object to its use, and use it myself. However, thanks to Fraenkel's framework, I think I can now define authoritarianism. An authoritarian regime is one where the prerogative state has more power than the normative state.

[@ancapcitizen8266]

Fascism and Communism are two branching paths on the Socialism skill-tree.

[@CriminalizeObesity]

Fascists want to protect what is pure and wholesome by destroying those who want to corrupt, meanwhile "Communists" just want to corrupt what is good and wholesome. They're not similar.

[@joaopedro82465]

Nope, they’re branches of the “collective ethos”, meanwhile, liberalism and constitutional monarchy are in the “liberty ethos”.

[@ancapcitizen8266]

@@joaopedro82465 They were both created by Socialists as a new version of Socialism.

[@ottervonbismark7614]

Oh lawd, he's dividing this video into four parts

[@off6848]

Hold on that last line and emphasis on “without a SECOND THOUGHT” was 🔥 That guy is like a TIK on the teet of History just from the other extreme they both fail horribly to analyze fascism but instead give uncharitable break downs views from their ideological lenses

[@alexandarvoncarsteinzarovi3723]

Capitalism, fascism, socialism, communism, imperialism, it all about one thing governmental absolutism,

[@Web720]

TikHistory has a great video on the topic about conservatives fighting fascist with his Schleicher video.

[@deez8202]

Are you going to make a follow up on the age verification law war between the corn industry and the us lawmakers?

[@zk0rned]

Very informative, thank you

[@achimkunisch8619]

Hello lavader, I love your content, espacally the peace Keiser series, and I wanted to ask if you can continue and debunk somme of the lies spred about the Keiserreich. I have been reseaching on how the german poles lived under germany in Posen but keep finding all of those deportation and genocide lies. So I tried to research about the life of indigonus pepols in the german colonies, I realise that in all of the colonial empires some bad stuff happend, German or not, but agan I found genocide and Racism and all that carp. Culd you please bring somme light in that stuff, it would be wery helfull. Thanks for your consideration, and excuse me for my bad english.

[@crusader2112]

There’s a book called In Defense of German Colonialism: And How its Critics Empowered N*zis, Communists, and Enemies of the West by Bruce Gilley.

[@achimkunisch8619]

Thanks for your help, it is much appreciated.@@crusader2112

[@thomaswikstrand8397]

Pretty simplistic takes these. Reducing complex questions to "oh, but not really, maybe also" is rubbish.

[@-lgn8543]

Brother, i have watched many Channels the last years, you are one gold treasure for a like and follow. Keep going, its very rare for me to like stuff :)

[@shantishan1172]

Hey lavader i watched your videos about lenin and kaiser wilhelm II, i rarely see such well research and effort in videos that dismantle a narrative, you surprised me. I wonder if you could do the same thing about a modern political figure, like Vladimir Putin.

[@CriminalizeObesity]

That's like saying chemotherapy is cancer in decay.

[@morgant.dulaman8733]

1. Hitler was a Nazi, not a fascist . Yes, there's a difference in that Nazism emphasizes race and says the nation (or more appropriately, the ethnic group) makes the state, while Fascism believes the state makes the nation, and at least theoretically (depends on country and mode of fascism) doesn't care as much about ethnicity as long as one is loyal to the state. 2. I'd argue that fascism is a by-product of socialist recognizing the triumph of capitalism, or more appropriately, the failure of socialism, in that it attempts to achieve socialist aims (ex. state coordination of production, universal employment, etc.) through ostensibly capitalistic means as private actors technically own and manage the means of production, but they still act in solidarity with the aims of the state. As for it being a defense mechanism against socialism...just no. Mussolini was originally a socialist who constructed his ideology for the reasons above. He also wasn't "given" power by the elites or capitalists, but his party *marched on Rome* and took power against the wishes of the establishment, capitalist, democrat, monarchist, or otherwise. (Addendum: Lest the points of disagreement or argumentation suggest otherwise, I appreciate the level of detail you go into to give a proper idea of how the respective parties came to power and their disagreements to both socialist and conservative elements).

[@nevadataylor]

"I'd argue that fascism is a by-product of socialist recognizing the triumph of capitalism, or more appropriately, the failure of socialism"

[@tastethecock5203]

@@nevadataylor they didn't kill ALL communists. Nazi party had a lot of communist sympathizers in it hiding their allegiance, and italy, while being a statis hellhole, didn't do as much purging as Germany/USSR. They were a police state, but not as into killing their own people.

[@jakerivets2249]

Fascism is the capitalist class trying to protect capitalism. You wrote a bunch of gibberish.

[@EnvelopingSuspensions]

Where'd you get your degree

[@jakerivets2249]

Utter garbage. Gibberish.

[@BrazilianDreemurr2008]

Capitalism is basically in every possible Ideology, for it still has money and people will still wish to be much richer anyways.

[@SonofTiamat]

"Herr derr, capitalism is when people are greedy, derp!"

[@dannydanny865]

Interesting

[@ChairmanMeowzah]

Liberalism is conservative in nature, its ideas rooted in individualism. Enlightenment and all the so called rationalism was rooted in defending and rationalizing that rabid individualism, including racism and sexism. That period was capitalism rising and reshaping their worldview. Protestantism was a bourgeois revolution. When the Puritans came around, they took it to an extreme. They no longer saw an alliance with the aristocracy being in their interest, apparently King George at the time wasnt oppresive enough on the people for the bourgious. Now a days we see liberalism as social rights, mostly, by removing the economic and coining neoliberalism. It obfuscates the core of our worldview, to maintain that hyper individualism. Marxism essentially connects the web of social struggles to the root of class struggle. The contradictions of society will improve as the class struggle dissipates to nothing. After that, we don't know what happens. Communism is idealistic/utopian. That's why Marx talked about socialism, the tool to reach our end goal

[@PhilosophicalZombieHunter]

Isn't socialism also capitalism in decay?

[@Spido68_the_spectator]

How would that be the case ?

[@Web720]

​​​​@@Spido68_the_spectator Because, primitive coomunism -> feudalism -> Capitalism-> Soyialism -> Coomunism. If captialism is doing great, there would no need to transition to soyialism. So just like how feudalism ended, Capitalism in decay (aka the downfall of it), will lead to Soyialism.

[@kimbanton4398]

​@@Web720 You skipped slave society...

[@Spido68_the_spectator]

@@Web720 oh yeah, from that perspective it makes sense. Although a more accurate statement is socialism will grow out of capitalism (just like how capitalism grew out of feudal societies)

[@PhilosophicalZombieHunter]

@@Spido68_the_spectator Because socialism is supposed to be the stage after capitalism. Like why you people say "late stage capitalism" all the time.

[@yurika.matsui55]

Not a com but I was expecting some stronger arguments than this. Broadly speaking, this misses the forest for the trees. The point the coms are making is that the system as a whole is in crisis and therefore BOTH worker/peasant movements and socialists emerge as well as the fasc!sts as a counter. So all these details about who succeeded tactically at capturing this farmer valley or government deadlock are irrelevant. You seem to be suggesting that socialists were the cause of the crisis rather than the response to it, just like the fascists were. I don't think anyone thinks socialists can't make politically costly mistakes, everyone does, but that's not whats in contention. The point about fasc1sts appealing to workers/farmers is also non-controversial even amongst commies. Its taken as temporary concessions to stave off revolution and beat the coms at their own game. That's the whole point of 3rd wayism and the phony rhetoric against capitalism, it captures the cadence of the left but redirects it to the right. That's why some lefties say that fasc is a "fake revolution" or something to that effect. I do disagree with some of their claims that disregards the popularity of fasci1sm at least at a certain point. Despite big interests ultimatly directing the movement, there is something captivating about its appeal, that commies don't appreciate yet. All they do is just complain about it, instead of attempting to analyze it in depth. Ultimately saying capitalism in decay is true enough but a bit reductive.

[@superninjaraidingman]

I agree I think calling it capitalism in decay is true but also wrong because it is not descriptive enough. It was a full blown cultural/societal crisis. A crisis of faith and god ultimately. A crisis we are still in. And why we still enjoy "fashy" governments all around the world. But im crazy idk 😂.

[@adonisparts1343]

National SOCIALIST Party btw

[@Ayushgraphy]

Ernst frenkel's eyes are pointing east and west 😂

[@hoppeanofasgard1365]

What about libertarianism, or the libertarians at the time? I imagine there views being closer to that of conservatives except even more free market probably would have made them against the fascist regimes the same or more than the conservatives, possibly even unwilling to work with them at all right? Or like the conservatives did they form partial alliances too because the threat of communism was just to great not to?

[@herbertvonsauerkrautunterh2513]

Well, to start with there is a huge difference between fascism and national socialism. Not many big corporations supported the Nazis either. Mussolini was appointed and could have been deposed any time.. Interesting video but not quite right. What socialists don't understand is that even though workers own the production they still take money for the work and for their product. If a customer or consumer agrees to pay a certain price for the product or service regardless of how one arrives at the point of sale I'd money is exchanged it is a mutual agreement and therefore pay of a free market My grandfather, who 20 in 1932 in Germany has always been a supporter of the SPD.. very hard minded. I'm a purist libertarian and believe in small government by consent only. Government is the root cause of all problems. Not greed..l Edit. Even you pronounce thyssen, you say it leaving out the H. So basically you say 'Tissen.'

[@Gogosqwezethegreatest]

I came in here to review some leftist talking points and found that this was actually a right wing vid! W bait!

[@eugenetukhvatullin1142]

Автор критикует поверхностный подход, но сам допускает такой же подход. Начиная с 1920, а не с предвоенной Италии и модели развития общества и перехода от свободного рынка к империализму. Лол. Для примера это как начинать разбирать причины второй мировой с 1939.

[@Ussonan-Foderation2016]

Leftists☕

[@zarekbeck3358]

wait are you calling this guy leftist??? I'm confused

[@Ussonan-Foderation2016]

@@zarekbeck3358 no. I'm just calling leftists stupid

[@EnvelopingSuspensions]

Socialists ☕️

[@aidansweeney9909]

What about the insurection Smedly Butler crushed in the US?

[@simonpetrikov3992]

Are you trying to say that the existence of the business plot proves that fascism is capitalism in decay?

[@aidansweeney9909]

@@simonpetrikov3992 I'm saying it doesn't fit into his narrative. He also doesn't understand the left wing critique of fascism. It is essentially a critique of hierarchy, which capitalism engrains in the societal conscious and which fascism exploits.

[@simonpetrikov3992]

@@aidansweeney9909 I’ve seen other KZbinrs like Shortfatotaku also criticized the phrase “fascism is capitalism in decay” but from a different angle than lavader but doesn’t mention hierarchy

[@aidansweeney9909]

@@simonpetrikov3992 I don't understand how any leftist can make a critique of anything without mentioning hierarchy. The entire idea is predicated on the destruction of class.

[@aidansweeney9909]

@@simonpetrikov3992 I don't know how they possibly couldn't when both Fascism and Communism are focused almost entirely on class structure.

[@luxiusilluminus2844]

Oh no! Anyways...

[@Bosnian-patriot]

Can you do a video on Bosnian politics?

[@zexfafa2794]

Fucked to the core. There isn t a single partie in Bosnian politics that I would consider accaptable to vote for. Left wing is extreamly incompetent and the right is very corroupt

[@albertophillips515]

TALK ABOUT MONARCHY.

[@Ussonan-Foderation2016]

He has in the past

[@albertophillips515]

@@Ussonan-Foderation2016 Yeah but this is a political channel about monarchy but he has only discussed the politics of monarchy twice in the past year, and he never actually talks about present issues among monarchist politics, just economicn theory and history mostly recently.

[@NativeNordmann]

No.

[@dieselpatchesisthebiggay1253]

Hi sir

[@Markry-if9ex]

are you a bosniak?

[@artair70]

Yes he is

[@robertortiz-wilson1588]

Very well explained. Very tiresome claim, to say the least.

[@9_9876]

least tarded tankie opinion

[@thehound9638]

First comment!

[@valentinkrajzelman4649]

fascism being capitalism gone wrong, is something ive always assume as true, if explain the obsession with 'superiority' and being better than anyone else, dosent sound very socialist to me tbh, and it does sound very much capitalistic where 'the strongest shall thrive and the rest perish'

[@klemenskrokowski4379]

Capitalism has no inherent ethics assigned to it, nor inherent social critique it follows by its societal organization. It emerged as a simple mode of stock-exchange in Western Europe to generate funds, until it streamlined late into the 19th century. Socialism, and Fascism both have social critique inherently attached to their very being, and have a concept of historical materialism. For the (orthodox) Marxists, the struggle is between classes, in which the working class inevitably and consciously (Again, if we're operating by orthodox Marxist sociology) rises up against the capitalist class. For Fascist sociology, such a struggle does not exist, and if it does, exists purely between nations and ideas. We can't call Fascism either capitalist, or socialist. It is its own thing entirely.

[@valentinkrajzelman4649]

@@klemenskrokowski4379 okay, maybe liberalism is a better term? or positivism or whatever, i sure you get what kind nations im referring when talking about capitalistic nations, the usa, the uk, most of western nations really, what happens when poverty and decadence struck these nations? fascism, being a shift in capitalistic nations that loss the faith in their system

[@So_and_so]

​@@valentinkrajzelman4649Isn't it just a result of radicalisation? They are disillusioned and look for an almost simple alternative that is completely opposite. In Europe, they have gone from being open to migration to having far-right parties.

[@JasonGoodfellow]

Wait, no Italy's fascist movement didn't happen on its own, it was backed by British money.

[@danielefabbro822]

Short answer: yes it is.

[@tagekoolander]

Wrong.

[@danielefabbro822]

@@tagekoolander no no, it's correct.

[@tagekoolander]

@@danielefabbro822 No, no. Its wrong!

[@danielefabbro822]

@@tagekoolander no dude. It's correct.

[@Web720]

It's incorrectly correct, maybe.

[@Cat_Guevara]

Yes

[@thatKQ]

Yes

[@Cat_Guevara]

@@thatKQ Indeed

[@rostdreadnorramus4936]

No.

[@Cat_Guevara]

@@rostdreadnorramus4936 Reason?

[@rostdreadnorramus4936]

@@Cat_Guevara Because you're wrong.

[@mandyogilvie686]

971 like

[@mikkelbjerring2914]

17th like lmao

[@noahrice6671]

Bro, doesn’t this guy support crony capitalism or corporatism?

[@kanyeeast672]

Crony capitalism is corporatocracy. Corporatism is different from corporatocracy even though they sound similar.

[@biggymcbiggest]

Corprotism is socalist. Not "crony capitalism"

[@noahrice6671]

@@biggymcbiggest well according to this douche monarchist, it’s somehow different from capitalism and socialism.

[@ramen201]

What's your pfp ?

[@diamondfighter7711]

Crony Capitalism and Corporatism are two different things, people always confuse the two because of the word "Corporate." Corporatocracy (or Crony Capitalism) is the dominance of multi-national corporations over the political system and the economy. To the point where politicians are paid off by these companies to support legislation that benefits them. Corporatism, to put it simply, is the unification of the state and the interest groups of society. By "interest groups" i mean each skill/profession of workers that form guilds to protect their interests. So, similar to how Belgium does it, the interest groups support the government and in return they get a say in policy making regarding their specific profession. Under Fascism, it's similar but the state has more emphasis on the social cohesion part, where each part of society works as a united organism with each part having an important purpose to support the state.

[@schadowizationproductions6205]

That's why it is not called "capitalists in decay" or why Marx didn't wrote "The Capitalists". Because videos like this one will assume that leftists are not capable of differentiating between conservatives and fascists just like they can't see a difference between the capitalists that have the same class interests but still compete with eachother. Isn't contradiction (the thing that leftists supposedly do not see or understand) the essence of understanding the world in a dialectical manner? I know, I know ideology is supposed to skew your outlook on the world into an incorrect abstraction but shouldn't the modern saying be "If you don't want to talk about your own ideology you should remain silent on ideology in general"?

[@nevadataylor]

I always like to go to the Science, and I find continually that capitalists NEVER use Science to justify their views; they usually refuse evidence in attempts to remain in ignorant bliss to maintain their economic religion.

[@herewego7694]

​@@nevadataylor>capitalists never use science this just isn't true in the slightest?

[@herewego7694]

​@@nevadataylor>maintaining economic religion whilst you yourself are about as dogmatic as a divinely inspired Church Do you genuinely believe that there was no response by capitalist schools of thought towards Marxism?

[@kjpedersen778]

Capitalism was contemporary with liberalism, and, together, they made up a revolutionary movement. So, to say Marxists were incapable of seeing any other revolutionary movement beyond their own is simply absurd. Marx wrote extensively about the revolutionary nature of capitalism itself. The old monarchial order did not survive anywhere in Europe when liberalism was realized. Typically, conservatives adapted to capitalism because it established a new path to maintain hierarchies, in function, if not form, where they would continue to wield substantial power, albeit in a sometimes uncomfortable coalition with liberals. In the case of Italy, liberals (including social liberals) and conservatives would work with the Fascists. In Germany, the conservatives would work with the fascistic NSAPD, hoping they would eventually achieve the superior position and sideline the fascists, where the Catholic Center and liberals initially were reluctant to enable Chancellor Moustache. The one thing you made clear in this video essay is that the Marxist interpretation of events was more right than wrong, and that fascism is simply the temporary form capitalist society takes when conservatives and liberals get spooked.

[@nevadataylor]

Hell yes.

[@Historia.Magistra.Vitae.]

Nope.

[@nevadataylor]

@@Historia.Magistra.Vitae. I guess you never noticed the 8 guys who own half the world? How about Panama Papers? Ring any bells? Not to worry, Im sure I wont get too far speaking with you, as Im continually shadow-blocked by your rich elite Silicon masters.

[@Historia.Magistra.Vitae.]

@@nevadataylor : Nothing to do with Fascism whatsoever.

[@Nordbon1523]

⁠@@nevadataylorand none of them are fascists.

[@CampusBoyFeet]

Lmao a monarchist. This has to be a satire channel.

[@Nordbon1523]

Nope, it’s real.

[@jakerivets2249]

Fascist cope

[@Theamericancarlist]

Yet you can't disprove any of it lol

[@jakerivets2249]

@@Theamericancarlist The burden of proof isn't on me. It's on the fascist who's coping.

[@Theamericancarlist]

@@jakerivets2249 Seems like he had plenty of proof

[@jakerivets2249]

@@Theamericancarlist Opinion isn't proof. The capitalist class uses fascism to protect capitalism in crisis. Tough pill to swallow for fascists

[@ElendilJon]

@@jakerivets2249 Then i am a Fascist, so what? If you define Fascism as ... eh something something capitalism, then it isnt evil.

[@zenzedd]

debate "LiquidZulu"

[@tastethecock5203]

Saying something is "Capitalism in decay" or "Late stage capitalism" could only reliably be said after the fact. Many leftists today call the current status quo as "Late Stage capitalism", but again, this implies that we could reliably know how many stages there are, and how long it will last before it is even officially done. That's complete nonsense, thats a perspective you can only have as a historian studying past event that exactly knows how long each period lasted and having a perpsective to outline in, with respect to what will happen afterwards. How long leftists are willing to call capitalism as decaying and as a late stage? If it happens to still be a dominating force for 100 years will it still be a late stage capitalism, or later stage capitalism? It is a huge leap in logic that you call something as "Last stage" when you literally don't know anything about the future

[@nevadataylor]

Tell us then, what has capitalism ever succeeded at? ... besides redistributing labour wealth to the lazy rich elite ass-sitters?

[@萬歳]

Stop trating fascism and nazism as if it were the same thing, or based on the same thing, thats dumb, you re smart than this, think lavader think.

[@epic1049]

They are both Third Positionist ideologies. National Socialism and Fascism is like Stalinism and Maoism for communism. Both Branches of the same worldview,

[@SexyMonsterLover]

TL;DR: No, fascism is just honest socialism.

[@user-pt5xc1pp4z]

And yet it hates Communism, One is Materialistic, The other Idealistic.

[@IkeaAds_BMD7]

First! Let’s goo new lavader vid