Captain Cruise's Observations : Episode 27

[@stephens2850]

Thanks for the link KC. Its a really good read

[@kiwicodger]

Yep, it was the reference that really helped me in understanding those times

[@stoneleighful]

Kiaora KC! just re the point about Māori not boiling food, Māori did boil many things traditionally going back many centuries before Pakeha contact they used a big wooden bowl known as a “kumete” - I have seen real ones the size of two bath tubs. They would fill it with water and then heat the water by way of heated hangi stones, they would bring the water up to a boil replacing the stones as they cooled with hot ones - thanks Kiwi

[@kiwicodger]

That's what I like about this channel, there's always something to learn. I never knew about what you have just mentioned. Wood does not transmit heat very well so this is intriguing. I will stay alert for this in my research. Nga mihi S

[@stoneleighful]

@@kiwicodger thanks Kiwi love your mahi and your love for our (Māori & pakeha/Nz history)

[@gfreeman9843]

That makes sense as some cultures would heat water in skins using hot stones..wood would be better I think...also flax baskets of food in geothermal ponds was used...l think.​@@kiwicodger

[@vwxyz0002]

Fascinating snippets that show some modern day practises have a long link with history.

[@kiwicodger]

Yes, a bit sad really.

[@ricklaw7633]

I love all your KZbin posts well done. I sharing your video in Archeology NZ so you should get more followers :) well done!

[@kiwicodger]

Glad you are enjoying the episodes Rick. If you are refering the the Archeology NZ facebook group, then many thanks for that. I used to be a member but made some historical comments regarding a post on Ngatapa and was banned from the group, my comments obviously didn't follow the required narrative .

[@ricklaw7633]

@@kiwicodger things have changed all please re join . I got challenged on the early migration including Moriori arriving in the first fleet which they had to of due to there knowledge of the now extenction of Moa and mainly the NZ South Island Goose 1450s gone . I also major in Ornithology as well in land bird and paste . What was your banning about ?

[@ricklaw7633]

By the way Gary Law would love you back im sure

[@ricklaw7633]

Name please id be honored to invite you back in please 🙏 !

[@kiwicodger]

Not sure what my banning was about to be honest. The article accompanying the Ngatapa execution of prisoners by Kupapa was trying to swing the conversation to blame the Colonial forces. I just pointed out that Te Kooti had recently carried out a massacre at Matawhero where about 70 were murdered, half being Maori, and that from this stage on the idea of prisoners being taken by either side had passed. At least the kupapa only executed the men....women and children were spared, unlike Te Kooti at Matawhero. I also pointed out that using today's morals to judge actions 150 years ago was rather quaint.

[@graemehuia5964]

Fascinating historical accounts there K.C, some of it compares quite closely to that observed by Europeans of the Plains Indians from America.

[@richardsingh5827]

Interesting video, the gift giving seems similar today

[@kiwicodger]

I had to smile at your comments,,,,,,

[@MrSicc274]

As a Maori I enjoyed thirds descriptions

[@liztahau8805]

Hi do u where can I find more information on the Traditional Maori tattooing and the chisels they used. Thanks for any information forward

[@kiwicodger]

Alas, I don't know of any information on traditional tattooing. Cruise talks about how it was done back then. It certainly appeared to be quite a painful process which was only done in small bits at a time, the face would invariably swell for a week or so after each session. Someone out there will know, keep searching.

[@kiwicodger]

Hi Liz, came across the following link which may answer your query above, cheers : www.jps.auckland.ac.nz/document/Volume_13_1904/Volume_13%2C_No._3%2C_September_1904/The_Uhi-Maori_or_native_tattooing_instruments%2C_by_Elsdon_Best%2C_p166-172?action=null

[@ngatibroffessor1840]

@@kiwicodger says Alas, I don't know of any information on traditional tattooing. REPLY: We'll if you knew nothing about tattooing what made you assume that all Ta Moko were Europeanized? Many Tattoo Moko Artist still use non metal tattoo tools. IF you're not sure you should say nothing lest you say something offensive, ignorant and racist. What does the good old days mean to you?

[@ngatibroffessor1840]

You're asking the wrong person for information here. Go ask your own people for knowledge not the people responsible for destroying and outlawing our traditions. kzbin.info/www/bejne/sKucZXh9g7RjnNE

[@stoneleighful]

Coleman writes about Māori that travelled with him hongi-ing and tangi-ing on his travels down the north island - he talked of Renata kawepo seeing a relative, the first he had seen for many years after warfare death enslavement by enemy tribes and his conversion to Christianity, they saw each other in the rohe (ancestral lands) of a strange tribe & upon ascertaining one another’s identity they embraced and cried together for their dead, pakeha ministers like cole so didn’t understand all the hoohaa and often wrote off such behaviour as indulgent, or heathen-istic. Such rituals of encounter survive amongst us Māori now, when u enter marae, an elder lady or the female caller will lead the group on, & usually pause in front of a meeting house where the women will keen and wail, you still see this, when Māori see relatives or dear friends they haven’t seen a long time they will often embrace and cry as the face of those meeting brings to mind the memory of cherished people and shared experiences that have long past - we just don’t usually tangi as long these days, or cut ourselves, or typically let it all hang out like our ancestors did

[@stoneleighful]

Not Coleman - Colenso (Koroneho)

[@kiwicodger]

One thing that struck me was the length of time a hongi may last, with the simultaneous wailing and tears, like 20-30minutes. A good thing covid wasn't around then :)

[@NZContractormagazine]

Hi there- fascinating clip which I am still in the middle of watching. Two years ago I posted a story on our website about the road the soldiers and crew of the Dromedary built to transport kauri spars contractormag.co.nz/contractor/heritage-nz/new-zealand-roads/ and which author Hugh de Lacy has described as the first road in NZ. I look forward to further watching.

[@kiwicodger]

I enjoyed the link supplied. Excellent article, the author makes reference to a map identifying where the road is, but it did no accompany the article, was it on another page? His assumption that it was the 1st road in NZ is pretty reasonable.

[@NZContractormagazine]

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[@kiwicodger]

Although increasing my subscribership is not my main goal I am always interested in software that might help my story telling. I feel I have a duty to share what I am finding as I dig into NZ history, also having a great time visiting and droning these places. Love to hear about the software, I am a bit of a nerd when it comes to computers, Cheers!

[@NZContractormagazine]

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[@stoneleighful]

@@kiwicodger thanks! love yr channel! re: 1st road - what about the various well used portages around the country? surely these 'roads' would pre-date that referred to by De Lacy? - also, they might not have been 'roads' in the modern sense of constructed roads, but all the ancient Maori trails including those that lie under modern state highways around the country that were well used, and widely known by all must qualify as 'first-roads' - admittedly I have not read the article yet, so De Lacey may well have addressed these matters.

[@mikev4621]

A bit disappointing to hear of the brutal treatment of Maori women by the men . Was this common to all tribes?

[@kiwicodger]

In Cruise's 10 month stay he had experience with Maori in the Bay of Islands (Ngapuhi et al), Whangaroa Harbour (Ngati Pou et al) and along the Tamaki River in Auckland (Ngati Paoa and Ngati Whatua). I think he also visited the Coromandel. I have a feeling it was common to all tribes. Maori society back then was a very male dominated one.

[@mikev4621]

@@kiwicodger Thanks for this info. I have read that Maori children were cherished however. Was I misinformed?

[@kiwicodger]

@@mikev4621 It comes down to individuals , just like today. Times were very tough back then. If there were too many mouths to feed, sometime if a daughter was born, it was killed. In general though Maori loved there kids like we do today, but remebre life was hard and fragile and discipline was necessary and strict, it was needed to survive.

[@StGammon77]

There are no real maoris or much of their heinous culture left thank phukl for that!!

[@warwickwaho5078]

We fight face to face not like cowardly weaklings from a distance