Captain Picard weighs pleasure against protocol.

S06E19

[@tinamarieduran3071]

Captain asking, "Can i hit it?" Troi: "Make it so."

[@sausage6984]

Engage

[@sausage6984]

@Anthony James Bulldis load the torpedo

[@laker4life36]

POTENT PICARD lol

[@jackoscar11]

programmed in multiple techniques

[@CaptainSeato]

Full spread, zero elevation.

[@ToeTag1968]

I always like the writing of the line, "In a way that pleases people who care about your happiness, yes." Such a nice way to convey that they've noticed and approve.

[@adamcarroll5427]

Counselor Troi: Captain, I fully support you taking a trip to downtown Poundtown

[@ogichi32]

Wait a second wait a second, the literal hundreds of regulations they always need to follow in this show and not one was set for a Captain being involved witha fellow officer???

[@captain_misaki]

You'd think they would have, Kirk being notorious as he was.

[@bryanx0317]

Ridiculous. And it absolutely DOES comprise objectivity. They don't even allow this in corporations lol

[@hankrearden20]

@@bryanx0317 And yet it still happens.

[@cullysloy2705]

There are none???? Kirk was a saint omg!!! No wonder he was so sexually frustrated!!!!

[@heyitsthatguy4517]

hey anthony, your last name is armenian. my last name is basmajian. lol. small world

[@RS250Squid]

A rare moment of vulnerability for Picard. He knows the regulations inside out. He needs a more... considered opinion.

[@watcher805]

Well spoken, like a captain

[@davecrupel2817]

Not saying this to be a grammer nazi. Do you mean "considerate"?

[@dantheman9565]

@@davecrupel2817 To consider something means to think carefully upon a decision in this case. To be considerate means having regard for the feelings and needs of others. I guess both could work but considered is probably what they meant.

[@Neverhoodian]

I actually prefer Troi wearing a proper Starfleet uniform like this. It helps that her character became more likeable around the same time, what with the writers finally producing some decent scripts for her.

[@Kibogu]

Not to mention this is one of the uncommon instances of her doing her proper job, and doing it well without the "I can sense stuff" thing.

[@TheVergile]

agreed. though it makes sense for her to not wear it. There was often some separation between officers and enlisted personnel. People that went to the counsellor put themselves in emotionally vulnerable positions - wearing your rank insignia could intimidate crewmen, especially if they had problems with officers or if they felt uncomfortable talking about their personal problems with "people from work". It also made for a more liberated and non-official atmosphere during counseling

[@kingpin6989]

I don't, but then I'm straight.

[@tomv5988]

It's actually one of my favorite scenes in Star Trek when Jellico orders her to put on a standard uniform. He was right she is an officer. Her outfit was nice but hardly appropriate. More of an off duty look.

[@Levi_Skardsen]

The canon reason she didn't wear a uniform was because Picard believed the crew would feel more at ease with her if she wasn't so official looking.

[@BLKCLVR]

"Is it that obvious?" "Sir I'm a Betazoid."

[@AnticDuelist77]

Oooooh, this was one of my **favorite** Picard-centric episodes! With the exception of his relationship with Dr. Crusher, and his brief dalliances with Vash, we never really got to see Picard the Romantic until this episode and I loved every minute of it!

[@pacificcoastpiper3949]

It's so cute seeing big tough strong Captain Picard quivering like a schoolboy asking his crush to the big dance😍 it shows the human, personal side of him very well. It makes him all the more relatable. I know I had the same feeling with my first date.

[@boxmeister3059]

Okay but like WHY did you phrase it like that

[@pacificcoastpiper3949]

@@boxmeister3059 two words, I’m sadistic

[@boxmeister3059]

@@pacificcoastpiper3949 And I guess the fact that I read it over and over makes me a masochist!

[@pacificcoastpiper3949]

@@boxmeister3059 maybe

[@christiancampbell466]

@@Nick1979BN Everyone fills that role from time to time.

[@r0bw00d]

There's one good thing about never remembering a particular episode from TNG: you still know how it ends.

[@evilredBoris]

They always go to warp at the end of almost every episode?

[@r0bw00d]

@@evilredBoris No. Think status quo.

[@Luka1180]

If it's a two parter it doesn't necessarily go back to status quo every episode. And it certainly didn t when Tasha died.

[@andrewwaldock]

One good thing? ALL Good Things...

[@r0bw00d]

@@Luka1180 Two-part episodes are still single.

[@pbdye1607]

"I think the deeper issue we need to explore is how, of all the women in the galaxy, you seem to have the hots for one that could practically be Beverly's clone."

[@bobsmith962]

Well people sometimes date their "type"

[@InstallaFriend]

“Relationships with co-workers can be fraught with consequences. Troi, you don’t shit where you eat.”

[@domoranzi638]

I don't think she was in Starfleet when she had her initial relationship with Riker.

[@anamelikemine]

Lots of people wonder why Picard and Dr. Crusher never hit it off. This scene should tell you pretty much everything you need to know.

[@creatip123]

Picard: what do you think I should do, to bring my relationship to the next level? Troi: Engage!!

[@andreschang9253]

Terrific episode. Picard and Daren aren't young lovers who kill themselves when they don't get what they want, like Romeo and Juliet. Ppicard and Daren are adults with responsibilities who know when it's better to call it quits. Watch out, Bev! Johnny's got a new flame and she's a red head too!

[@Slowpoke3x]

Love does crazy things at any age, In fact as you get older it's easier to see things more pessimistically and more suspiciously. That might give more opportunities for problems to manifest.

[@lukedogwalker]

It would never occur to the creators of Nu Trek to write anything so charming, sweet and intelligent as this scene.

[@AlexanderRM1000]

Perfectly phrased. It's not that everyone on Nu Trek are bad writers- and TNG had plenty of bad writing as well if you look at the episodes we prefer to forget- but it wouldn't even occur to them to *try* to make a show that captures what made TNG good.

[@Katie-hb8iq]

I'm watching Strange New Worlds right now, and I have to say it's avoided 20 of the pitfalls with Discovery and Picard - it's actually trying to feel like Star Trek. It's not perfect, but 1) There doesn't seem to be unqualified officers on the ship, like Tilly and others. 2) There is cooperation, respect and friendship among the crew. No women telling off men or anything like that. 3) No obsessive crying 4) No major and unwelcome changes to canon as far as I can tell after 4 episodes 5) Spock is much more likable and true to his character in this version 6) Shoving diversity down your throat seems to be toned down quite a bit. Other than maybe the helmsman who has a hair cut that doesn't really fit the time period and the aesthetic for Star Trek, most characters seem to fit the franchise. But even with the helmsman, they haven't even mentioned anything about them, which I am hoping is the case for the last 6 episodes because I could care less about their gender identity and sexual preferences. 6) The captain is likeable rather than the monster in Discovery. 7) There is no gore and senseless violence, which is something I really disliked about Picard. They completely destroyed Seven of Nine imo - really hated her casual disrespect for life. 8) I think it's watchable with kids so far, which I would not say Discovery or Picard is appropriate for kids at all I'm hoping the next 6 episodes don't disappoint, because I absolutely hated Discovery season 1 and Picard Season 1.

[@Kay0Bot]

Queen Borg disagree

[@georgecullen759]

I enjoyed this episode. Showed Capt. P. softer and more vulnerable side with his music. It then throws him back into command decisions that arise were you are ordering someone to be in an area that might cost them their lives. The burden of command. Who lives and who may die.

[@kirishima638]

Picard gave up another chance here. Did he learn nothing from Q?

[@paul16451]

Actually, he probably did. Remember when he slept with his female academy friend, he alienated her instead of bringing her closer. So he is a lot more careful about who he chooses to be intimate with, thinking carefully instead of rushing into his feelings of the moment.

[@thegreenmanofnorwich]

I'd forgotten the scene, but I do love it. I could never decide if Lieutenant Commander Darren or Vash was my favourite love interest of Picard's

[@Flaky1990]

@@Nick1979BN He only has eyes for Q...and Janeway.

[@markrichards5630]

Kamala

[@Mistarnova]

TNG had so many great educational moments that sometimes these clips feel like they are right out of an after school special lol, i can watch clips all day

[@sharkdentures3247]

"Captain? Are you asking my permission?" "If I was, would you give it?" . . . . . . "Yes." I LOVED that bit of dialogue. So endearing & sweet and genuine. It was very much two friends instead of Senior Officer & Subordinate.

[@starcrafter13terran]

"Jean Luc, can we do it just once without you reciting Shakespeare for 2 hours beforehand?"

[@saullandiof5768]

bruh, he's on a spaceship 24/7, if he doesn't shack up with a coworker he isn't shacking up at all

[@CoolsBreeze]

Such a great episode. You get to see Picard in a personal relationship.

[@benthompson2136]

If Picard is thinking of family and/or a serious relationship, than it is more than "pleasure".

[@TheVergile]

I think she uses pleasure in contrast to "duty" here

[@dirdib69]

"Not to worry, Captain, she'll be gone by the next episode."

[@acnelson75]

Man there’s a lot that could be taken out of context if you come into this scene too late.

[@kennethturner8290]

Troi: "If you don't lighten up you are going to end up being assimilated into an alien cyborg collective..."

[@alisak1701]

👀

[@toddstaples7019]

Acuteus of borg knows it is truest too because it happened nice .

[@Species5008]

@@toddstaples7019 Locutus, actually

[@aperson22222]

There are no regulations about a captain becoming involved with a fellow officer? Really? None?

[@brownro214]

Not just a fellow officer, a subordinate.

[@LoganHunter82]

There is. The writers just decided to forget them for this episode.

[@benjaminoechsli1941]

They were left unwritten, as the legacy of Kirk loomed overhead.

[@Todestuete]

Let's just assume he wanted to say "against", not "about". Surely there are regulations to regulate the relationship, but not to permit it. Or maybe there are no additional regulations for the rank of Captain in particular.

[@huemungy3212]

The idea that there is no protocol on this is absolutely hillarious.

[@tonoornottono]

it’s a more evolved time. they expect professionalism, if you can balance a relationship with that they expect you to do it properly.

[@Ragitsu]

Oh, yeah: really funny.

[@johnshafer7214]

Counselor Troi looks more professional with this uniform. I also liked the fact that Dr Crusher most of the time wore a blue coat when she was on duty.

[@peterdunlop7691]

The climate control was probably set for human males, so she had to wear a coat or die of hypothermia.

[@k1productions87]

Troi looked great in uniform Kira looked great in Starfleet uniform (final episodes of season 7) compared to that catsuit they later gave her Seven of Nine totally rocked the Starfleet uniform in "Relativity" (VOY) and T'Pol looked absolutely AMAZING in the Starfleet Jumpsuit in "Twilight" (ENT) ... moral? STOP PUTTING THEM IN CATSUITS!!!

[@WujekFu]

She was gorgeous :D

[@dirdib69]

Crusher: Time for her "checkup" *loads hypo with hair remover*

[@Holymsx]

love that part

[@krim7]

What is fascinating about this is that that was perfectly acceptable back in the early 90s and now absolutely would not fly today.

[@Gauntlet1212]

Poor Picard. Just when he found a woman that would be perfect for him...

[@allyourpie4323]

Well it's not like it just suddenly went down in flames...oh.

[@develynseether4426]

Rule #12 Never date a co-worker.

[@chubber911]

Never dip your pen in the company vagina.

[@stevenshewfelt888]

can you imagine if picard had gibbs style rules for his senior officers.....

[@develynseether4426]

@@stevenshewfelt888 I'd pay to watch Picard Gibbs-slap Riker! 😂

[@stevenshewfelt888]

@@develynseether4426 oh man or even WESLEY!!!

[@thelonecomet1377]

He may also be fearing a conflict of interest.

[@thischannelwillselfdestruc4977]

1:01 - sir are you asking my permission? If I was would you give it.......yes hub theme ensues

[@Timeward76]

The massive difference between Picard and Kirk. Kirk maintained his objectivity by hitting that with every woman aboard the enterprise.

[@mapstomillions]

Picard Maneuver at 0:07

[@zwarth123]

Riker: rike it.

[@joshhiles7390]

Starfleet doesn’t have no fraternization rules.

[@MRJK87.]

now that mommy has said yes...

[@erikpeterson25]

Yes

[@chrispbacon3042]

Never stopped William Riker.

[@stacythomas1587]

Here is an "outside the box" idea: I think these two together would've been amazing....only thing is I'm too fond of "Number One" lol.

[@lazyperfectionist1]

It actually surprises me very much that Starfleet doesn't have regulations about Starship captains dating or marrying their subordinates. This is _extraordinarily_ well precedented. First, Starfleet is a bureaucracy, organized around numerous ends, up to and including the fighting of wars and the managing of crises. Second, the US Military is a _collection_ of bureaucracies organized around numerous ends up to and including the fighting of wars and the managing of crises. Third, the US Military has regulations requiring that, any time two people in the same command (right up to the commanding officer) get married, one of them has to immediately transfer to a _different_ command on the grounds that the two of them continuing to serve in the _same_ command opens up conflicts of interest like the one explored in this episode. You don't want an organization dedicated to fighting wars and managing crises hamstrung with conflicts of interest. Now if the US Military has enough precedent to see the sense in regulations like these, why doesn't Starfleet?

[@salmiakki5638]

"in starfleet that is not necessary, we are all capable of exercising self-discipline"

[@ericmcconnaughey2782]

Great example was the DS9 episode where Worf and Jadzia were sent to retrieve a Cardassian defector. Jadzia was severely injured, Worf refused to abandon her to complete the mission, and the defector was intercepted and killed. Sisko later has to officially reprimand Worf and tells him that not only will he Jadzia not be sent on any more independent missions together, but Worf may have shot down his chances at Captain.

[@Species5008]

@@ericmcconnaughey2782 and yet, somewhere in the distant future,or not so distant perhaps, Lieutenant Commander Worf actually DOES become a Starfleet Captain. Ok, that is my deepest hope for our favorite Klingon.

[@ShadowKain666]

@@ericmcconnaughey2782 Another great example of why DS9 was a shitshow that first marked the downfall of Trek. I've always understood why people like DS9, but it should have never been a Star Trek show. The themes would have been far better served in its own IP (such as an Orville or similar) rather than tainting Trek. DS9 started the downward spiral into the literal shitshow we have on our hands with "NuTrek"

[@AlexandarHullRichter]

Starfleet is not intended to fight wars, even though that is within its capacity. Similar to how a Camry is able to push other cars down the street, but it is not intended to do so.

[@andypetrovich2155]

Troi at 1:06 "I can't wait to rub this into that bitch Dr. Crusher!"

[@thatguyfromcetialphaV]

Kirk would have just fired his phaser full spread..

[@jaimerodriguez8612]

Troi: You should be happy and pursue your relationship. Reality: Yeah Jean Luc your happiness is about to take a beating. How did Troi become a counselor again?

[@creatip123]

Poor dr. crusher....

[@brianagee2790]

Don't need those Betazoid mind-reading powers to be a decent counselor.

[@musashi4856]

🤷‍♀️Who knew that Jus Primae Noctis survived well into the 24th century under Star Fleet regulations reserved solely for Starship Captains‼️ 🤷‍♀️

[@AmericaLexicon]

A 70 second video should not have s15 second advertisement

[@kenp7814]

Troi - "Never stick your pen in the company well"

[@benjaminoechsli1941]

I'd argue that was *Picard's* stance. "I wanna, but I shouldn't..." Troi: "Plunge away, Captain."

[@cullysloy2705]

0:09 There are none???? Kirk was a saint omg!!! No wonder he was so sexually frustrated!!!! Also It's so kind of Picard to pretend that she has a job on this ship...

[@daviddrake5991]

Well Kirk's true love was the Enterprise. He had no way to please her.

[@Turboy65]

That glass sailing ship model is so BAD, Picard would have had it beamed out into space in a decaying orbit around a sun.

[@Roytulin]

'pleasure' that sound, wrong

[@2dfx]

"Engorge"

[@sdaiwepm]

0:09 Really? That is shocking.

[@nb2008nc]

Arm photon torpedos!

[@jstalk1]

I always shipped Picard and Daren way more than Picard and Crusher. Watching the show when I was younger, I never understood Beverly and Jean-Luc. Now with Picard S3 I do a bit more. I blame Gates getting screwed by shoddy writing during TNG

[@sammencia7945]

Dating a coworker in 2022 USA is insane. Never do this, you can destroy your life. The world has changed in the 30 years since this aired.

[@fabelgamer7410]

It has never changed actually. The world is a more connected place now,these things are made more noticeable due to everyone having phones and social media. It is both a blessing and a curse to have all this knowledge so easily accessed.

[@AlexandarHullRichter]

Depends on where you work and how you handle it. Same employers treat their adult staff as adults.

[@erosson27]

I am actually somewhat surprised that they don't have a regulation for this.....

[@philguer4802]

Wow, it almost doest weigh anything.Why,I can barely believe i can weight it in the first place.

[@CrniWuk]

So Picard is again going to fail in organic chemistry?

[@ozymandias1758]

Which episode is this? Don't remember this scene

[@AlexandarHullRichter]

Lessons

[@xxlCortez]

Was it ever explained why she holds a Lt. Commander rank as a counselor?

[@AlexandarHullRichter]

Well, it's based on navy ranks. In the Navy, coming in with a degree means you're inherently an officer. An advanced degree, like a doctorate in phycology, would have her enter the service as a lieutenant. Lieutenant-Commander is only a single promotion from there, and she's been in Starfleet a long time.

[@davemiller6055]

With all the pastel pink and matching colors, it looks like the Enterprise was decorated by my grandmother.

[@andrewwaldock]

Your Gammy had good taste, if her spot looked like the Enterprise D. Luxurious, but with teeth.

[@kefka3]

How Troi ever attained the rank of Commander always baffled me...she goes from "ship's counselor" to the same rank as RIker? I like her in Starfleet uniform, but really?

[@Rushinator1]

kefka3 it's not really hard to believe. I would have to look it up but she's basically a staff position or a specialist. She's not really in the same position as Riker, where she's high up in the chain of command. She's not going to be running the ship if Riker dies. She has a rank suitable to her responsibilities and so that starfleet officers listen to her orders when she gives them. She's a senior officer and so can't be of a low rank if she's to perform her duties. Maybe if every other senior officer was killed off or unavailable she would have to take command but really she's just the head of her department so to speak.

[@gf4670]

Well it's just the naval difference between line officers and staff officers. The line officers are the actual officers who command the ship's activities, but there are 2 kinds: unrestricted and restricted. The unrestricted line officers are the actual command structure and do the tactical work when needed and the restricted line officers are the engineers and scientists who run the daily tasks aboard the ship. Then there are the staff officers who form the medical corps and the JAGs and chaplains and that stuff--these are essentially civilian careers that the military also makes use of. So in the Trek-verse, at least from TNG onward, the red shirts were the unrestricted line officers, the gold are the restricted line officers, and the blue are the staff officers.

[@Zombiemermaid101]

Wow, that's really cool and concise breakdown of the command structure. thanks friend.

[@dav5666]

That actually happened once when the Enterprise was heavily damaged, and Troi was cut off, on the bridge from the rest of the ship.

[@ziiofswe]

There was an episode where she realized she needed to know how to actually run the ship, so she went through with the education needed... I guess that would deserve a climb in rank.

[@katsu-graphics5634]

Captain Kirk is . . . . . meanwhile. . . getting treated for space herpes. . . . with no effect to the mission.

[@corediagram8016]

This scene only encapsulates one rendition of protocol and the interference of pleasure. What would've been more interesting to me would've been rules that do not have any inherent function other than to mislead, coerce or handicap the lower working order of any organization. Protocols are only good if they serve either an individual or greater benefit. If they have no such function, it's just a remnant of tradition that should've long been discarded. Efficiency should always come before protocol.

[@davidmurphy8364]

Is it that obvious? She's fucking telepathic

[@joshhiles7390]

David Murphy empathic my dude

[@kevinnio]

Did Troi lost her accent in this scene?

[@dmanc85]

She gradually toned down her accent from S1 to S7 and then even further in the films, Voyager, Enterprise and Picard

[@DrowningMoon]

"Its that obvious?" He asks the half betazoid officer 😭

[@oldtwinsna8347]

Troi should mind her own business. Appears her job is to spread gossip amongst the crew to stir things up and then goes to that officer to inform of the rumors going around.

[@marlonlo9661]

No regulations? Are you kidding me? There's more regulations on earth vehicles with turtle speed compare to yours. You're commanding a 1st class starship travelling faster than light and there's no regulations on who you can ball during that voyage?

[@markkond8565]

Remember, supposedly evolved sensibilities. Most of the drama of the series comes from humanity/the Federation coming face to face with the realization that a) not everyone is as evolved as they are (queue alien of the week/vice expy character) or b) they're not past those issues themselves despite what they like to believe.

[@georgoussnowsaintfullysinn9975]

Yeah that's a stickler is life not supposed to be pleasurable I know I'll make it more suffering by worrying about made up beauty trends of the current time.

[@davidrice9900]

Troi is hot! She's no Valentina Shevchenko.. but still!

[@ArmyJames]

No Starfleet regulations about a Captain fraternizing with one of his subordinates? * coffee spit *

[@toddstaples7019]

It was probably captain kirk who made this positive change to the regulations 😂 .

[@toxicninja3247]

Man the future is so advanced; if I walk into HR's office and asked if I can smash a subordinate I'm pretty sure I'd get fired.

[@Species5008]

That's because you come across as a total idiot

[@AlexandarHullRichter]

To be fair, HR departments are widely known for acting again the employees' best interests with great frequency.

[@Ragitsu]

@@AlexandarHullRichter Proof?

[@AlexandarHullRichter]

@@Ragitsu any HR story. Google it.

[@emailalpha6437]

One of many bad advices from ship counselor troi

[@seanwebb605]

The counselor who had affairs with how many people on board the ship? Trade representatives, senior officers, delegates?

[@cullysloy2705]

She may as well just be screaming "chocolate!" to people and smushing her cleavage together. Tasha Yarr's speech to Wesley about drugs was powerful stuff ...and I smoke A LOT of weed! She'd scare me straight ;)

[@alvideos2145]

Wow, plastic ship models.... soooooo futuristic.

[@jiltedensign7479]

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[@thefuppits]

@@jiltedensign7479 It's transparent aluminum! "Hello computer."

[@Dr.TJ_Eckleburg]

Once again Troi demonstrates how utterly unqualified she is to be anywhere near a command rank.

[@ekujj13]

How does Troi rank so high? She doesn’t know crap about ship operations. I guess equity lives on in the 24th century.

[@AlexandarHullRichter]

Her advanced education (doctorate in psychology, whatever other training required for counselor services) would have her enter Starfleet with a more advanced rank as a staff officer. In the Navy, being a doctor would have her start as a lieutenant. Lt. Cmdr is only a single promotion from there.

[@troyjollimore4100]

There are tons of high ranking officers that specialize in a discipline, but no nothing about others. They still hold the rank. But to speak to your direct complaint, she does take ‘Bridge Command Training’ in another episode…

[@user-vj1jx1vh7w]

When a male boss could talk to his female subordinate in private without fear of some bs lie being told about him

[@ShaunDreclin]

Yeah, because even if it wasn't a lie he wouldn't get in trouble. This isn't a time we should be looking back on fondly.

[@cristianm7097]

Troi should have been fired from day one. Annoying Cpt Obvious, useless and redundant.