Captain Sisay vs Kenrith vs Heliod, Sun-Crowned vs Thassa, Deep-Dwelling EDH / CMDR game play

[@MTGMuddstah]

*So this game proves once and for all that I can't read. I misplayed putting out the Gemstone Caverns, whoops!*

[@exsimon]

Don't worry, mistakes happen 😘

[@alexchowin]

it's ok! we still love your content!!!

[@feyakut]

KENRITHHHHHH! I LOVE HIM MAN FINALLY

[@Wizardofexisting]

I love how there's still a million comments pointing it out. Mistakes happen y'all! haha

[@itshonk7313]

Happens to the best of us

[@Battleguild]

I believe Mudstah was so happy that Gemstone Caverns was in his opening hand, he forgot to read the card.

[@MTGMuddstah]

You are correct!

[@noalsono8481]

Hey Muddstah, just wanted to say thank you for how consistent you are with your upload schedule. I always know I can count on some generic goblin noise at 11 on Monday and Thursday.

[@MTGMuddstah]

and Webcam Wizards on most Fridays!

[@its_chris2323]

It's so irresponsible of the Sisay player to put the Winter Orb back out when a Seedborn Muse is in play.

[@zachhannah8927]

Came for this. That was kingmaking if I've ever seen it.

[@noalsono8481]

I had the same reaction, and was glad that it didn’t end up giving Kenrith the game

[@NubRusty]

You think that stax player knows how to think? Stax players don't even pay attention to other people's boards when they throw out winter orb

[@noalsono8481]

NubRusty I don’t think this is necessary true. Stax players are actually required to think quite a lot in order to sequence correctly and win a game. This player obviously did not, but he doesn’t represent Stax players as a whole. I will say that playing Stax in casual edh is strange, but maybe this playgroup has decided it’s ok

[@corhydrae3238]

@@NubRusty I play a staxy Jhoira deck, but I never bring out my Winter Orb unless I know that it'll win me the game with my boardstate. I would never play it just to slow down the game early.

[@NotetoSelf9292]

Loved the performance of the Thassa deck. Pretty pleased with the Sovereign win though. He was just sitting there, unable to do anything because stax, stealing, and whatever nonsense Kenrith had going on, but came back in such a weird but satisfying way.

[@noalsono8481]

Nemitri bro chiiiiiiiill. Each playgroup plays their own meta with their own cards that are and aren’t ok

[@Karmic_Guide]

Hmm, good to remember Thalia makes Non-Basic Lands enter tapped, so a number of people had an extra mana on a few turns... lookin' at you Scavenger Grounds/Exotic Orchard. (maybe more, still watching.) Either way, lover your videos, they're still great fun.

[@coreysierchio4650]

(She also causes creatures to enter tapped)

[@bobby45825]

I think this group isn't used to playing a number of the cards that were in this match. That's a lot of etb and static effects they weren't tracking properly.

[@shinkuma45]

You can only put Gemstone Caverns into play when you're NOT starting first.

[@MTGMuddstah]

Reading is hard =(

[@nixontengco6926]

Somehow he is dumb

[@CaptBackwards]

@@MTGMuddstah just like Craig B (mr infect) and his now famous fetch land scandal.

[@tedgop1932]

I was like : "hey!!! Guys!!!! Felidar!!!!!!!"

[@khariperkins4243]

I heard him say it and I was like no way.

[@timmcpherson9019]

Thing is, he missed so many daxos triggers, should've won earlier

[@Arcdemon44]

Kenrith is just nutty how versatile he is.

[@infamous0ne789]

Kenrith is nothing without Seedborn Muse

[@CaioRCS]

It's just sad that the Kenrith player coundn't see his (almost certain) win at the end. He could reanimate the Linvala (fulfilling his promisse) and in response to that gained enough life to kill the Sisay player and reduce the Heliod's life just enough so the sovereign didn't win the game on that turn.

[@Arcdemon44]

@@CaioRCS There were a few points during the game where I was questioning the Kenrith player. I have a downright nasty Kenrith deck and I saw multiple chances to win or severely hamstring the rest of the table.

[@neoboyam6548]

Infamous 0ne That’s so untrue but ok.

[@michaelgreen930]

It becomes arch enemy everytime I play kenrith.

[@jordanlawlor89]

Crazy game! I'm blown away with how well each of these decks performed.

[@alexchowin]

spotted a small error, being the one to go first, I think you can't play start game effect gemstone caverns...

[@bram8731]

Correct you cant

[@lokumo13]

Kenrith & Seedborne Muse work so well together. I won a 6P game with those two, going through my deck super quick every turn and gaining life to keep me safe when I looked for the Vigean Graftmage(Grabbed an entomb with a draw, put VG to the yard and then pulled it back) and the Incubation Druid(was already on the field)combo and milled all 5 players out.

[@GraveGeist482]

This was a fascinating game to watch, at some point or other in the game, it feels like each player could win it and there is some great interaction from all!

[@jmobley6]

Very solid game! The interaction was awesome to watch and man was that Thassa deck amazing with the value you kept getting from blinking. I can't say I've ever seen a Sisay stax deck but it was very interesting. Thanks for the quality content!

[@VzDeath]

Before cracking the homeward path Martin would've had Solemn go to the graveyard because you controlled Elesh Norn.

[@michaelatbarnett]

I really like that Thassa deck. Seems fun and interactive! Although the deck does seem fun as well to pilot, I think this game proves why I dislike Kenrith so much, though. What doesn't he do? He's got too many abilities with no focus really. I miss the old, simpler commanders. :/ Always love and appreciate the content!

[@chrisbos7696]

A Deal is a Deal and should always be kept, no matter the results :). Well played

[@rexone9564]

I have a thassa deck as well. And let me tell you, you steal 1 commander and the whole table tries to kill you.

[@jamespooh2]

Loved this. Great back and forth. Congrats Martin

[@duelistzephyr1465]

I’m just surprised you didn’t steal the homeward path with the agent of treachery triggers. Could’ve continued stealing permanents without worrying they’d get returned and then you’re in such a dominant position to win

[@MTGMuddstah]

It was actually my first time playing Agent and Martin's deck. I definitely could have had some tighter lines of play.

[@Someone-lg6di]

@@MTGMuddstah someone once stole my commander while I had a untapped homeward to be honest wasn't sure what they were thinking

[@JmLyan]

@@Someone-lg6di Homeward Path is so sneaky. I've had a game where I was playing it myself and didn't realize at first that I had it and could use it to get my stuff back. Abilities on lands are really easy to miss, especially one with a rather niche effect.

[@bobby45825]

I argue to everyone in my group that homeward path is a MUST in every commander deck, moreso than sol ring or reliquary tower. Too many powerful stealing effects in commander.

[@fredcrinson2715]

This was one of the better games I've enjoyed watching. Love your channel, dude!

[@stevenlorenzo6540]

Love the Vendilion Clique playmat. That’s definitely my next one.

[@johnfinitygaming7307]

Loved that reaction to winter orb 😂😂😂 great video

[@MulliganaUno]

Clasic commander game where the one player who do almost nothing wins at the end

[@bobby45825]

My group just dog piles me typically when i don't have any real early game since I play a heavy costed mid to late game 4-color good stuff deck.

[@noalsono8481]

Is there a reason Metamorph couldn’t copy Ashen Rider at 11:55?

[@tedgop1932]

Thank you!!!! I thought the same !!!!!

[@MTGMuddstah]

Because I'm a silly goose

[@noalsono8481]

MTG Muddstah understood, we all make silly goose moves sometimes. I still thought you did really well piloting someone else’s deck though

[@DarkEinherjar]

He wanted Seedborn Muse's untap power, though he should definitely have copied the Ashen Rider to get rid of two permanents, then blinked it to become the Muse.

[@noalsono8481]

DarkEinherjar this is what I was referring to, just seemed like he missed a couple of free removal hits there before becoming the muse

[@sergiofarina2161]

Hey Muddstah. Thanks for the consistent videos. Wanted to ask, what tripod/camera stand do you use?

[@Kelsonar]

The communal groan at the winter orb was priceless! xD

[@riverground]

I believe you may have missed it, but gemstone caverns only allows you to put it onto the battlefield as a pre-game action if you are NOT going first.

[@ultiplayer1]

@9:30 Max's Wood Elves should not have been put in the graveyard due to Austere Command being cast. Modes chosen were Enchantments and Creatures with cmc 4 or more.

[@BelieMyBurial]

had a good laugh at the player with the Trinisphere constantly having to overpay for like mana dorks and shit lol

[@ignalol]

2:45 when you target fiblzip, doesnt he goes to the library?

[@MTGMuddstah]

Thassa's trigger is an ability, not a spell.

[@dotpic]

only with a spell not ability

[@thumbwrestler12]

That was a cool game and quiet a surprising end.

[@redstoneplaysmc1639]

Kudos to Max for keeping his word, even at the cost of being able to stop Martin and probably win the game. Such a gentleman :)

[@daredewley9231]

Just getting through that intro but what an opening hand in kenrith!

[@R___________________]

Loved that late game spree of creature theft lol

[@1234573332]

Wouldn't Martin's Solemn have been dead due to Elesh Norn's ability as it entered even if Homeward Path was activated, cause I would think so

[@AhGotcha]

He didn’t take Elesh back before playing it, so yes. It’s a state-based effect, which can’t be responded to. It resolved, he got the etb, but it entered as a 0/0. I’m pretty sure he wouldn’t be able to use Homeward Path in response to Solemn being a 0/0 and save it. He could do it in response to Solemn’s death trigger, but not in response to the state-based effect. Solemn dies, he gets Elesh Norn back, then draws a card. If he did it in that order.

[@1234573332]

@@AhGotcha I thought so, thanks for the reminder

[@TheRealMonstaa]

That thassa flicker deck looks like so much fun!! Might try a cheaper version of it^^

[@MTG_Brewzl]

Very good high Power gameplay 👍

[@dillonkolk6310]

Did max play the commanders quarters deck 🤔

[@gabeleclaire8797]

Wouldn’t elish norn have killed sad robot when it entered the battlefield as its a 2/2 at around 14:45 before Martin gained control of it again

[@AidanWR]

9:29 Max incorrectly puts the Wood Elves into the graveyard, but I don't really think it would change much

[@Famjiixdd]

gemstone caverns can't be put into the battlefield as a pregame action if you are going first.

[@MajuGen]

Everyone's talking about gemstone caverns and I'm just like "Y does fphthp never enter tapped?"(thalia)

[@leoschwab9669]

i like that somebody is playing mono white

[@DarkEinherjar]

*sees Winter Orb and Trinisphere in opening hand INSTANT ARCHENEMY

[@dannyvera4441]

Why does thassa’s art change at 6:15 and then again at 10:40??

[@MTGMuddstah]

To visualize when she's an active creature VS when she's an enchantment. Martin likes to do that with his TBD commanders if he can.

[@09Dragonite]

Why is it that your channel is the only one where I actually want the mono U player to win?

[@bullitzin]

Fun game, fellas! That Thassa treachery was cool

[@DevineExtermination]

The swords to plowshares choose an illegal target when it targeted the gilded drake before it etb’d....or am I wrong about that?

[@bobby45825]

With the ETB on the stack. The creature swap doesn't resolve if Drake is killed before the resolution of the ability.

[@lolthsangel]

Is there a decklist available for these?

[@shilohartisan]

14:00 i think you have 2 seedborn muses, they should give you two untap triggers. unfortunately linvala is keeping you from using kenrith to do anything with it... but speaking of which, if you targeted Mom and Linvala he could only protect one of them. if he protects mom then you can steal linvala and he can't use mom anymore. if he protects linvala then you can steal mom and then steal linvala on the next go around.

[@shilohartisan]

also, should have stolen that homeward path lol.

[@Bumbum_Inspector]

Question: Why would you not gain control of the creatures when Gilded Drake got hit with Swords to Plowshares? Gilded Drake still entered the battlefield and his ability would've had to be countered to stop it. Swords To Plowshares doesn't act as a counterspell.

[@danriemer9724]

The oracle text states if you can’t make the exchange then you sacrifice the card. Also, you can’t make the exchange if Gilded Drake isn’t on the field so the ability fizzles. gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=5837

[@DarkEinherjar]

701.10a A spell or ability may instruct players to exchange something (for example, life totals or control of two permanents) as part of its resolution. When such a spell or ability resolves, if the entire exchange can’t be completed, no part of the exchange occurs. Example: If a spell attempts to exchange control of two target creatures but one of those creatures is destroyed before the spell resolves, the spell does nothing to the other creature.

[@7someone]

This was a great game one of the best I've seen in awhile.

[@MarkusKohl-cv5mj]

Gemstone Caverns only works like that if you're not first

[@chocolatedrop2760]

What’s the heliod deck list?

[@CrimsonKnight0x]

I know it didn't change the game at all but shouldn't the cradle have been exiled after you were taken out while in control of it? Just curious.

[@MTGMuddstah]

No. Steal effects that happen to permanents on the board become nullified when the player controlling the effect is removed. If I had stolen it with something like Praetor's Grasp, Bribery, etc, where it comes in to play first on my side of the board, then it would have been exiled.

[@DarkEinherjar]

When a player leaves the game, these things happen, in this order: -All objects they own leave the game with them, even the ones they don't control; -All spells and abilities they control that are on the stack leave the game; -Effects that grant that player control of objects owned by other players cease and those objects return to the previous controller; -After that, if there are still any objects under that player's control (stuff owned by other players but that they cast or put on the battlefield under their control), then those objects are exiled. For simplification, think of the default controller, the player who cast or put the object on the battlefield under their control to begin with. If that player leaves the game while controlling that object, then that object is exiled.

[@evafox9696]

Can I just say that new Kaalia art is GORGEOUS?

[@faerie7dragon]

Man, what a great game, specially the winter orb reaction. Seriously though, Kenrith isn't quite Golos, but he is certainly certified *all kinds of lame.*

[@brandoncreek5709]

Disagree, but that's the best part of commander. So many ways to play and have fun.

[@Zaalbarjedi]

You can't start game with Gemstone Caverns if you are starting player. Also, creatures you blink and nonbasics enter tapped under Thalia.

[@oscher88]

That 8/8 flying divinity of pride that could've have attacked Martin...

[@EvilShade82]

Really ballsy from "new Nick" to play Stax on his first game with your playgroup, or had he played some games with you before? Kenrith seems to be an awesome Commander, if build right. Maybe i need to pick him up and build a deck arround him in the near future. All in all a really nice game. Enjoyed watching it a lot.

[@MTGMuddstah]

Technically, this was our third game of the night.

[@EvilShade82]

@@MTGMuddstah Ok that almost counts as first game ;-) And thanks for all your content, i'm loving it.

[@CaptBackwards]

Last time that particular Nick will be welcomed at the table 3:22

[@radicalpalomino]

That Sovereign win was beautiful

[@dalaismatthew]

seems like you put a gemstone caverns out going first Muddstah

[@MTGMuddstah]

Dangit! That's what I get for playing with someone else's deck.

[@PauloRubensCastor]

I'm looking for that sisay list

[@riyadtwal8726]

When Martin destroyed all enchantments with Austere Command, he forgot to put his Daxos in the graveyard

[@madFEAT]

So many nonbasic lands were played untapped while Thalia was out! They even fetched for shock lands and had those come in untapped! :/

[@MstrKipper]

The classic starting turn one with a pre turn gemstone, while going first XP

[@Brandopee]

Love the content, but did Daxos do nothing (gain life triggers) including not dying to Austere Command? 😂

[@MTGMuddstah]

Daxos only triggers on creatures that Martin controls. He didn't exactly have many of those.

[@philipdaviddavies9478]

that kenrith opening hand is insane...

[@thisisludo]

Good job, Andrew!

[@Spulverin15]

Hahahaha, this sissay Deck, he is like the only relevant player that get staxed by the Orb and consistently pays 3 mana for moxes:D

[@couver2997]

Was something shutting down Daxos' lifegain? Because if not shouldn't Martin have won on his turn 12 upkeep? On turn 7 he played solemn which should have put him at 38 life. Solemn dying to austere command should have given him one more life for 39 and then felidar and Elesh should have put him at 41

[@juanpedrofranco2322]

Andrew forgot the tassa's trigger on 5:38

[@miscellaneousgoblin910]

Kenrith group hug: I see...

[@exsimon]

You put down the gemstone while going first? Cheater 😂

[@HarveyBear24]

i'm pretty sure he would have still got the seedborn muse when gilded came in since it would have to enter for him to use swords, and drake would take seedborn as soon as it enters.

[@Blackvolttage]

From all the mistakes they made this game this one they played right. For the exchange to take place, the drake needs to be on the field.

[@HarveyBear24]

@@Blackvolttage I mean you're right drake need to be on the battlefield to use it as an ETB affect, but drake also needs to be on the battle field for him to use swords, lol. since it's a ETB affect it takes priority.

[@DarkEinherjar]

Martin pulled a Luigi and won by doing absolutely nothing. :D

[@gustavomartinsdesouza5548]

That Gaddock Teeg deck dressed as Captain Sisay

[@hellNo116]

Another small error. The solemn dies to the status of the elesh norn before she is taken back.

[@guisseppimelon8224]

I fucking slapped my head when the sisay player recast the winter orb when kenrith was not only the major threat, but had a seedborn muse on board. He straight up handed kenrith the win.

[@greengandalfziggy1]

Okay, Martin just randomly winning with Felidar Sovereign was not AT ALL what I expected. Every other player is doing crazy shit for most of the game, and here's the mono-White player durdling and was apparently either totally overlooked at the right time or his opponents just had no interaction at the wrong time. Good on him, Kenrith is degenerate, Sisay stax earned audible groans, and Thassa was no slouch. A great battlecruiser EDH game!

[@Ianoxen]

I won a similar way with Test of Endurance. My opponents just forgot I had it.

[@lucasbuitrago8150]

Love the lvl of craziness of this game

[@bigtram5312]

All that work just for the Felidar Sovereign to win. I love it

[@John_Smith_Dumfugg]

It made me so sad to see Martin miss all those Daxos lifegain triggers

[@arc486]

Oh f*ck, it turns out i've recognized the background theme while looking at Dimension W. It's some good violin remix from shi no butou, am-I right ?

[@wesley147208]

Oof, you can't cheat in gemstone caverns if you're the starting player.

[@AidanWR]

I'm sure most people rushed to the comments to point out the Gemstone Caverns misplay, but I'm rushing here to comment about playing Fblthp on your turn with Leyline out

[@dancook6114]

God that sisay deck was miserable. Not even sure how it actually wins without the tappedout link in the description

[@mtgsus]

I truly don't understand how that deal from Max even happened. Martin had the win on board on his upkeep and Max was obviously doing most work with Kenrith the entire game. It's almost like they don't like you Andrew.

[@Devilish420]

Man I really need to get a agent of treachery for my aminatou flicker life gain & drain deck.

[@dugie9]

I was wondering why you didn’t take control of homeward path when you had the chance, you would’ve most like won the game if you didn’t... as always, nice game,,,

[@johnmalayny2437]

5 color decks ruin everything, but glad to see blink Thassa go off for once.

[@smokeydad78sc68]

Martin is the king of getting ignored because his board doesn't look too threatening and then stealing a win out of nowhere. Gg Martin.

[@pedrosergiot]

I think everyone forget the effect of Thalia...

[@deant01]

i liked the game, there was alot of action and reaction

[@paulg7401]

Man, the level of frustration playing against a stax deck is always through the roof for me, we actually banned this strategy in my casual group. Great cideo as always, keep up the good work !

[@Ben-eb7wn]

stax as a way to fight combo is nice

[@gregnanni4409]

So many Thalia missed triggers!!! (lot of opponents' nonbasics entering untapped)

[@tanphat10toan13]

luv your vids