Islam's Top Scholars Are TERRIFIED of This New Argument Against Islam (w/ Dr. Sijuwade)

[@rob30823]

Internet is destroying Islam

[@cupra2Jock.]

Deus Vult

[@DC3Refom]

​@@cupra2Jock.amen rother of. rice st

[@CoolPigeon98]

it wants doing

[@morrisallensheriff5241]

😂😂😂 you guys are funny Islam has the truth, they worship one God, the God of Noah, Ibrahim, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad You guys can attack them with any argument but they have monotheism You have polytheism You worship a prophet Your entire religion is resting upon religious innovation 😂😂

[@marclacey2263]

@@morrisallensheriff5241 You should try learning a little bit about these religions if you want to comment about them. Your knowledge seems to come from a faulty source. Islam is an obvious cult. It needs to go.

[@kardew973]

who recites quran is muslim who understands quran leaves islam.

[@Mx-rr3qm]

Facts

[@GamingBeastGB2000]

Facts

[@5GBasel]

True

[@AlonzoHarris235]

@@kardew973 The trinity is three gods.

[@SlaveofAllah-u2t]

@AlonzoHarris235Literally the trinity the same as paganism but they don’t admit it isn’t monotheism

[@Hameroid]

With each minute, my concern for Dr. Sijuwade's saftey deepens. Let us offer him our prayers.

[@apolloniatyds1402]

I thought the same within the first few minutes, there’s already been too many horror stories upon preachers but the Dr’s work is far more solid on an educational level n that’s a worry let’s pray for Dr Sijuwade n others like him too, may the Lord keep them safe healthy n Blessed

[@RNMom19]

lol, this is so ridiculous. What are you afraid will happen to him? The bubble that you all live in is quite toxic.

[@trytobkind]

Eh?!!

[@CovocNexus]

Why do even Christian scholars use BCE/CE instead of BC/AD? If we can all call Thursday, Thursday regardless of it's association with Thor, then why can we not say BC/AD to honor the religion that gave us our current calendar?

[@mysotiras21]

I always us BC/AD, and always will.

[@JMJ.516]

The true believer scholars don’t do that.

[@blingcicero6570]

I'm an atheist and I think bce is stupid it still admits the common era is Christ's birth. I will use AD/BC.

[@g0nchyy]

Before Christ Era and Christ Era 😊

[@CovocNexus]

@@g0nchyy That's just cope. If the people that came up with BCE and CE were OK with that view of it, they never would have created BCE/CE. The C in the CE stands for Common Era. As a matter of fact, one of the arguments the proponents of this change came up with is that some people find the term Christ, offensive. A lot of Jewish scholars didn't like that fact that they always had to refer to Jesus as the Christ when using BC.

[@dfwherbie8814]

Muslims often deny significant issues surrounding the Quran’s preservation and the historical origins of Islam. Setting aside the controversy of the Satanic Verses, the unresolved discrepancies between Qira’at (variant readings) and Ahruf (modes of recitation) challenge the claim of perfect preservation. Theological inaccuracies, such as the Quran’s misunderstanding of the Trinity (5:116) or the bizarre notion that Jews crucified someone they believed to be their Messiah (4:157), further complicate the narrative. The claim of the Quran’s divine preservation becomes even more untenable when considering the evidence. Non-Muslim scholars generally agree that the Quran, in its current form, was finalized in the 8th or 9th centuries AD, more than a century after Muhammad’s death in AD 632. This timeline is supported by the absence of complete Quranic manuscripts from the 7th century, and early fragments like the Sana’a palimpsest reveal textual variations and editing, contradicting the Quran’s own claim of being divinely protected from alteration (15:9). When analyzing the origins of Islam, the historical evidence suggests a political movement as much as a religious one. Muhammad’s role in uniting the Arabian tribes laid the foundation for a system that Islamic leaders after his death weaponized for rapid military expansion and imperial governance. The early conquests of the 7th and 8th centuries indicate that Islam functioned as a tool to legitimize political ambitions rather than merely a spiritual message. This raises significant doubts about the traditional Islamic narrative, suggesting that Muhammad’s image and teachings were likely shaped and amplified posthumously to serve the interests of those seeking to consolidate power under the banner of religion.

[@AlonzoHarris235]

@@dfwherbie8814 You are funny. Scholars affirm that the quran was complete in the 7th century. We have 100% of Quranic manuscripts from the first century. You have no clue how scholars date manuscripts. I can ask you simple basic questions right now and you will run away.. You are just projecting your own ignorance on others.

[@enfetkis83]

This is the most well written comment I've seen. Become a preacher or something lmao

[@AlonzoHarris235]

@@enfetkis83 It’s not even academic. We have 100% of Quranic manuscripts from the first century.

[@AlonzoHarris235]

@@dfwherbie8814 This is proven false. We have 100% of Quranic manuscripts from the first century. The consensus of scholars affirm this. You don’t even know how scholars date manuscripts. Your comment is completely false.

[@dfwherbie8814]

@ haha much appreciated

[@TheCrusades1099]

WITHOUT LIES islam DIES!!!

Don't forget this cult was spread by terror, Muhammad himself said so, look at the example of many other cults which does not use threats and violence they usually remain small or disappear completely, by instilling fear for their very life people remain without question!

[@andreas8185]

Without lies, islam would not begin

[@RNMom19]

@@andreas8185 the lies are the ones you tell yourselves about Islam. Have you even opened the Quran or read any material about the basics of Islamic teachings by Muslims scholars? It’s clear where you get your information from and it’s quite sad the amount of intellectual dishonesty inherent in these comments.

[@zarabees2123]

With lies , Christianity thrives

[@greg3412]

Who would want the heaven as described in Islam? Sounds closer to hell.

[@GIG911]

Also watch Christian Prince

[@nslvip]

Mind boggling why he doesn't get as much coverage as he deserves. He's bar none IMHO.

[@djoloffc]

lol Christian prince is like a studio gangster or a keyboard warrior. Always hiding behind his computer

[@dfwherbie8814]

Christian Prince is a horrible person, I’m good. And I feel like he’s Christian in spite of Islam, and not because he truly believes in Jesus Christ. He knows NOTHING about the Bible.

[@dfwherbie8814]

@@nslvipbecause he’s a horrible person

[@nslvip]

@@djoloffc spoken like a true loser lmao

[@MarkPatmos]

I think Muhammad began with an inclusive view of Christianity and the Jews but this changed. I think it changed maybe because Jews and Christians didn't accept Muhammad was a genuine prophet during his lifetime but could be wrong. I think this is why there are clearly contradictory claims in Islam about previous Abrahamic religions. As well as I'm not sure Muhammad understood previous Abrahamic religions.

[@AlonzoHarris235]

@@MarkPatmos Your comment is a logical contradiction. Does this inclusive view require to accept him as a prophet?

[@MarkPatmos]

@AlonzoHarris235Yes and no. It says to judge by previous scriptures which would suggest Muhammad was clearly a false prophet, but also seems to state that Muhammad is confirmed as a prophet in previous scriptures. But not an expert on Islam and Quran. I think Muhammad wasn't aware what was written in previous scriptures explains a lot. Muhammad isn't at all confirmed as a prophet in previous scriptures would seem to undermine Islam.

[@AlonzoHarris235]

@@MarkPatmos What does judge mean? You are butchering the quran. This verse is not talking about theology. This verse is talking about rulings like an eye for an eye. Christians came to the prophet for disputes in LEGAL matters. He was the head of the state. Judge is about rulings. This is not about theology. What does Hakam mean in Arabic? The context is about rulings in legal matters. If he is not aware of your bible. Why do you claim he is affirming your bible?🥴

[@MarkPatmos]

@AlonzoHarris235The Quran confirms previous scriptures, so it is actually Allah who confirms previous scriptures according to Quran. I think Muhammad never read them. (surah 5:68 for example)

[@AlonzoHarris235]

@@MarkPatmos It confirms previous revelations. Revelations that are given to Isa and Musa. It doesn’t confirm any previous physical book.

[@ereksa]

Why is this guy using Prophet Muhammad title? He isn't a prophet. What did he prophecy? What god did he prophecy for? A simple charlatan cannot and should not be called a Prophet

[@MichElle-zc9tu]

No profit from prophet m ohammud.

[@jojojo3521]

Because he's talking about Islam and Muslims use that title for Muhammed, just like non Christians oftentimes say Jesus Christ instead of simply Jesus, even though they don't believe he was the Anointed One. You are getting worked up for nothing.

[@yahayamuhammad4119]

As a Muslim, i need to learn about all arguments against Islam in order to counter them.

[@jimmyjimjim3311]

Good luck….😂😂 good thing you probably haven’t heard about God logic, David Wood, and Sam😂

[@lcano22]

Counter these nutz

[@w1zzk1dd]

​@jimmyjimjim3311 lol those 3 always gets cooked

[@kevinjenkins2108]

Think long and hard about what you wrote. ‘You want to learn all of these arguments, so that you can counter them.’ What this man in the video is sharing is interesting, but what is more interesting and important is what is actually written in Qur’an and Ahadith. If you are going to defend Muhammad and Al Islam, you must first learn what the the meaning of words and phrases the books actually mean. This sounds like a weird statement, but you as a Muslim already know what I am talking about. Food for thought… +/-99.9% so-called reverts do not speak Arabic. +/-20% of the Islamic word speaks any form /dialect of Arabic Out of the approximate 20% of the 250m speakers of an Arabic dialect, only about 60% are educated in Modern Standard Arabic (MSA). In short, native speakers educated in MSA still have to be taught (trained) in Al Arabiyyah al Fusha (Arabic used in Qur’an). People, like my wife, learned to recite the Qur’an at an extremely early age. Yet, she had NO idea of what the she was saying. She only learned to mimic the sounds of words correctly enough to pass the oral exam…if you will. She knew only what someone told her is right and wrong. And, what my wife and in-laws experienced is the norm or typical storyline around the globe.

[@faithgurl08]

You cannot use falsehood to counter the truth lol

[@giovanibenjamin9655]

Islamic reformation is hilarious. W Christianity 💯🙏🏾

[@SHA0071000]

why calling that guy prophet mohammed.. it's simply mohemmed.. one bad guy like dat

[@kamomaru1]

Respect his prophet Muhammad. Jew before you won't even call Jesus any good name.

[@johnchrysostomon6284]

This is not new Godlogic has touched upon the Koranic idea that the torah is still for the Jews, the Injeel for Christians and the Koran for Moslems... and that the Arabs needed a 'prophet of their own' AND That the tolerant verses existed, but they were abrogated

[@elidyson256]

Arab had injeel, Muslim destroyed arab

[@esimm595]

The Koran says Jesus was given a book, Jews were given a book and now Muslims get a book. (Chapter 5)Its writers didn’t know Jesus didn’t carry around a book and never gave his followers a book. (

[@sweynforkbeard8857]

@@elidyson256 Mohammed had the original Quran that actually confirms the Bible, Uthman burned it and substituted what he wanted.

[@apolloniatyds1402]

My grandfather told me about mhmd zealousy n wanted to be like Jesus n have their own religion, I bring this up over decades n others shrug it off so I appreciate these well educated intellectuals, let’s pray for their safety

[@tonyjesshope6861]

My particular issue with Islam is that it fails on the historicity of the area, the Hijaz. Mecca never existed prior to the 7/8th Centuries there is no archeological evidence. Where is the evidence of its existence? Surely if Mecca was a centre for trade in southern arabia where is the evidence. It has no water of its own; even in later centuries it was necessary to bring water into mecca by a canal aqueduct. Today all the water is provided from the desalination plants on the coast at Jeddah. Mecca is barely mentioned in the Quran and where is the proof of the existence of the man himself.

[@mysotiras21]

Agreed. The SIN is simply incompatible with the known history of the 7th century Middle East.

[@someone-w9n]

That just because Saudi Arabia prohibit archeology in the area. Look up Persian or ancient Egyptian sources or Roman or greek sources. It matches with Arabian Peninsula geography and Hijaz which was mentioned as Hagrit in Persian sources.

[@kingyeshua89]

@@someone-w9n its not only because of saudi arabia.. its also because there is no mecca on any map found around arabia prior to the 8th century..

[@theg-men8961]

@@tonyjesshope6861 the Kaaba did exist and there’s some external sources that talk about it. It was a place of about 200 pagan Gods and Allah was the chief God. You can google statues of Allah and his daughters and you can see they found their little statues. Muslims took over the Kaaba and destroyed everything and tried to make it monotheistic. Circling the Kaaba was pagan practice they kept. Ramadan as well, the 5 daily prayers as well. Really, muhammad tried to keep pagan, Jewish and Christian practices and their people to try and make it easier to convert people since he was surrounded by all 3.

[@apolloniatyds1402]

Exactly I’ll have to agree, there’s a whole bunch that don’t add up, mhmd imo was a false prophet n was zealous of the stability of the Jews n Christians theologies n wanted to be someone like Jesus, to this day Muslims say they love Jesus as a prophet trying to bring Jesus down to mhmd’s level n insecret despise the Lord Jesus n believing slaughtering Christian’s n Jews n taken parts of both religions in the Quran which makes it look further corrupted n the fact mhmd n alls were made up to be in par with other religions, that’s my take on it though the Dr’s here are absolutely wonderful, let’s pray for their safety

[@ifeomanwandu4841]

Thoroughly enjoyed that!!

[@testtest-bb2dt]

Always read Chapter 9 of Qur'an carefully when you want to understand Islam's view of other religions.

[@jackieann5494]

Very important information . Thank you very much !

[@micaiahm1]

This is as strong as the Islamic Dilemma.

[@brandonscorner9184]

It's too complicated for the average Muslim to follow, not necessarily because of intelligence. They're just programmed to not follow logic.

[@ABDO-n7n5l]

Both are very weak and easily refuted

[@Selahhhhhhhhhhh]

​@@ABDO-n7n5li love when muslims say this, but don't actually do what they say is easy to do. You guys just throw these words out and run. 😂😂😂

[@bullymaguire23]

​@ABDO-n7n5l, you say this, but your scholars refuse to say anything about it because it'll cause people to have doubt and leave islam. Have we forgotten what yasir qadi did?

[@igorsigetlija5810]

@@ABDO-n7n5l John Damascene, born Yūḥana ibn Manṣūr ibn Sarjūn, was an Arab Christian monk, priest, hymnographer, and apologist. He was born and raised in Damascus c. AD 675 or AD 676; HE WROTE HOW ISLAM STARTED HE WAS THERE !!!!!! “the heresy of the Ishmaelites,” There is also the superstition of the Ishmaelites which to this day prevails and keeps people in error, being a forerunner of the Antichrist. They are descended from Ishmael, [who] was born to Abraham of Agar, and for this reason they are called both Agarenes and Ishmaelites. They are also called Saracens, which is derived from Sarras kenoi, or destitute of Sara, because of what Agar said to the angel: ‘Sara hath sent me away destitute.’These used to be idolaters and worshiped the morning star and Aphrodite, whom in their own language they called Khabár, which means great. And so down to the time of Heraclius they were very great idolaters. From that time to the present a false prophet named Mohammed has appeared in their midst. This man, after having chanced upon the Old and New Testaments and likewise, it seems, having conversed with an Arian monk(,Arianism is Christian heresy cult !!that declared that Christ is not truly divine but a created being). According to the Alexandrian presbyter Arius (4th century devised his own heresy. Then, having insinuated himself into the good graces of the people by a show of seeming piety, he gave out that a certain book had been sent down to him from heaven. He had set down some ridiculous compositions in this book of his and he gave it to them as an object of veneration. He says that there is one God, creator of all things, who has neither been begotten nor has begotten. He says that the Christ is the Word of God and His Spirit, but a creature and a servant, and that He was begotten, without seed, of Mary the sister of Moses and Aaron🤣. For, he says, the Word and God and the Spirit entered into Mary and she brought forth Jesus, who was a prophet and servant of God. And he says that the Jews wanted to crucify Him in violation of the law, and that they seized His shadow and crucified this🤣. But the Christ Himself was not crucified, he says, nor did He die, for God out of His love for Him took Him to Himself into heaven😣. And he says this, that when the Christ had ascended into heaven God asked Him: ‘O Jesus, didst thou say: “I am the Son of God and God”?’ And Jesus, he says, answered: ‘Be merciful to me, Lord. Thou knowest that I did not say this and that I did not scorn to be thy servant. But sinful men have written that I made this statement, and they have lied about me and have fallen into error.’ And God answered and said to Him: ‘I know that thou didst not say this word.”🤬 There are many other extraordinary and quite ridiculous things in this book which he boasts was sent down to him from God. But when we ask: ‘And who is there to testify that God gave him the book? And which of the prophets foretold that such a prophet would rise up?’-they are at a loss. And we remark that Moses received the Law on Mount Sinai, with God appearing in the sight of all the people in cloud, and fire, and darkness, and storm. And we say that all the Prophets from Moses on down foretold the coming of Christ and how Christ God (and incarnate Son of God) was to come and to be crucified and die and rise again, and how He was to be the judge of the living and dead. Then, when we say: ‘How is it that this prophet of yours did not come in the same way, with others bearing witness to him? And how is it that God did not in your presence present this man with the book to which you refer, even as He gave the Law to Moses, with the people looking on and the mountain smoking, so that you, too, might have certainty?’-they answer that God does as He pleases. ‘This,’ we say, ‘We know, but we are asking how the book came down to your prophet.’ Then they reply that the book came down to him while he was asleep🤣. Then we jokingly say to them that, as long as he received the book in his sleep and did not actually sense the operation, then the popular adage applies to him (which runs: You’re spinning me dreams😂.) When we ask again: ‘How is it that when he enjoined us in this book of yours not to do anything or receive anything without witnesses, you did not ask him: “First do you show us by witnesses that you are a prophet and that you have come from God, and show us just what Scriptures there are that testify about you”’-they are ashamed and remain silent😅. [Then we continue:] ‘Although you may not marry a wife without witnesses, or buy, or acquire property; although you neither receive an ass nor possess a beast of burden unwitnessed; and although you do possess both wives and property and asses and so on through witnesses, yet it is only your faith and your scriptures that you hold unsubstantiated by witnesses. For he who handed this down to you has no warranty from any source, nor is there anyone known who testified about him before he came. On the contrary, he received it while he was asleep.’🥱😴 Moreover, they call us Hetaeriasts, or Associators, because, they say, we introduce an associate with God by declaring Christ to the Son of God and God. We say to them in rejoinder: ‘The Prophets and the Scriptures have delivered this to us, and you, as you persistently maintain, accept the Prophets. So, if we wrongly declare Christ to be the Son of God, it is they who taught this and handed it on to us.’ But some of them say that it is by misinterpretation that we have represented the Prophets as saying such things, while others say that the Hebrews hated us and deceived us by writing in the name of the Prophets so that we might be lost. And again we say to them: ‘As long as you say that Christ is the Word of God and Spirit, why do you accuse us of being Hetaeriasts?🤔 For the word, and the spirit, is inseparable from that in which it naturally has existence.❤ Therefore, if the Word of God is in God, then it is obvious that He is God.💯 If, however, He is outside of God, then, according to you, God is without word and without spirit. Consequently, by avoiding the introduction of an associate with God you have mutilated Him. It would be far better for you to say that He has an associate than to mutilate Him, as if you were dealing with a stone or a piece of wood or some other inanimate object. Thus, you speak untruly when you call us Hetaeriasts; we retort by calling you Mutilators of God.’ They furthermore accuse us of being idolaters, because we venerate the cross, which they abominate. And we answer them: ‘How is it, then, that you rub yourselves against a stone in your Ka’ba and kiss and embrace it?’😘🕋 😅Then some of them say that Abraham had relations with Agar upon it,😮 but others say that he tied the camel to it, when he was going to sacrifice Isaac. And we answer them: ‘Since Scripture says that the mountain was wooded and had trees from which Abraham cut wood for the holocaust and laid it upon Isaac, and then he left the asses behind with the two young men, why talk nonsense? For in that place neither is it thick with trees nor is there passage for asses.’🤯 And they are embarrassed, but they still assert that the stone is Abraham’s.😵 Then we say: ‘Let it be Abraham’s, as you so foolishly say. Then, just because Abraham had relations with a woman on it or tied a camel to it, you are not ashamed to kiss it, yet you blame us for venerating the cross of Christ by which the power of the demons and the deceit of the Devil was destroyed.’ ✝This stone that they talk about is a head of that Aphrodite whom they used to worship and whom they called Khabár🕋.🆘 Even to the present day, traces of the carving are visible on it to careful observers.

[@achristian11]

Excellent work ❤

[@earthsmoke9450]

This guy can’t prove Mohammed even existed. No one can.

[@blingcicero6570]

Wasn't expecting him to like American football

[@Matthew-cp2eg]

When islam teaches a different genesis then there is no reconciliation

[@Himathyyy]

And a different Jesus

[@JMJ.516]

@@Himathyyyand a different everything

[@MichElle-zc9tu]

@@JMJ.516 JMJ👍🏻👏💪🏻🙏🏻💃

[@MrWoodsy140]

Great presentation. Really interesting.

[@EasternRomanOrthodox.]

☦️I studied all of St. Theophanes the Confessor's Chronicles & that is not what he teaches. The holy Chronicler describes the 1st Arabian Muslims (then Hagarites, Mohamadeans or Ishmaelites) as cruel to Christians, destroying Churches & were only tolerable when in their interests & in the times of the wicked Iconoclast Emperors when they allied with the heretics.

[@Martin4Mary4Ever]

I hope this gets a response, since it's a good counter claim to the premise.

[@EasternRomanOrthodox.]

@Martin4Mary4Ever Thanks, sure is.

[@zosiawane8235]

This is such an interesting way to assess continuity. Can the problem not also be extended to test the claim of “abrahamicness” aswell? That is to say, there is a claim via prophethood that Islam is the same religion (doctrine) of these historical figures who are part of an organisation of messengers sent by Allah to teach said doctrine. However, in reality the doctrine differs radically (as evidenced by history and manuscript evidence) as well as organisationally - the revelation happens to a different people who are both geographically and temporally removed from the original revelation of biblical tradition?

[@Goldfox2112]

It has - but the torah and injeel has always been rejected on the basis of them both being lost/corrupted, and so the previous prophet's teachings are taught by most dawahgandists s to be tawhid and whatever is in the quran itself.

[@anthonysmith-m3w]

Where are the 124000 prophets pis-lam claims to have come? They can only make the Jewish Prophets.

[@mysotiras21]

ARGH!!! Please give a summary or timestamps on this lengthy video! I very much want the gist of the argument, but don't have 3+ free hours to spare to watch this!

[@AdventusQ]

Fascinating. The thesis even explains the many ecumenist passages in the quran better than the traditional sources.

[@valerieprice1745]

The carbon dating on the only early copy revealed that the manuscript actually predates the purported lifetime of Mohammed by a full century. Textual criticism revealed that the copy claimed to be the earliest Quran is actually a Christian lectionary in Syriac. It does contain Quranic verses and poetry, which were originally Christian worship songs for liturgy. Islam is a mess. Nothing Muslim scholars claim is actually true.

[@g0nchyy]

Can you please provide a source? Your comment is really interesting

[@AlonzoHarris235]

@@valerieprice1745 You don’t even know what carbon dating is. Your teacher is the uneducated person Jay Smith. He doesn’t even know what carbon dating is. He thinks you can pick any date in the range with carbon dating.🤣

[@frankjaeger9068]

I think he's referring to the Birmingham manuscript. If we go the earlier date then it's older than islam and if this is true then its possible it was actually written by Christians to be used in church and not Islamic at all.. The word Quran itself is Syriac which means 'the reading '

[@g0nchyy]

@@frankjaeger9068 Thanks. Do you have a paper or book regarding this at hand? It's really interesting for me.

[@abj136]

@@g0nchyy That’s not what valerie was talking about. Check the channel Islamic Origins for the research and background to what valerie was writing.

[@servantsofchristph8700]

This feels like a missing link to the questions why! Thanks guys

[@AlexC-dr5qb]

Great video

[@RickyMasterChiefLaw]

Whatever Muslims have been using against Christianity have been turned back against them. They blame Paul or Constantine for changing the true teachings of Jesus. They reap what they sow. God is good!

[@valerieprice1745]

I'm glad he said playing Houston will be an easy one, cos I don't think it will be, and that's like saying the Titanic was unsinkable. I'm from Houston. We'll see what happens.

[@jmisc]

33:08 it starts great “TIT: Traditional Islam .. what?”

[@thetheoreticaltheologian2458]

A major problem with islam is, is that it talks a big game about their god “allah” but when it comes to allah actually demonstrating being the “greatest” God, he falls very short of that. For example when asked, what is the greatest act of love that allah has done for us? They got nothing. How does allah demonstrate perfect justice towards sin/evil that his followers have done? They just say “he just forgives it” but that seems like allah just sweeps many many sins under the rug and doesn’t deal with it. Or it’s placed on sinful people as one of the hadiths says. The problem with that is, both the Holy Bible and the quran says that no bearer of sin can bear the sin of another. The very being of allah, 1 God 1 person is flawed in that he would be lacking the ability to express love and therefore since he lacks the ability to express love he couldn’t be love since he can’t actually express it, since there is only 1 person to who he is. He would also be very dependent on another person “a created lesser being” in order to finally have the ability to express love. A god who lacks the ability to express love who is completely and totally dependent on a lesser being, is no god at all. The quran also gets many things wrong especially speaking about Christian doctrine of the Blessed Holy Trinity.

[@mohamedseptember790]

Hang on hang on so you explicitly quoting scripture by saying no soul can bear the sin of anther yet the entire concept of Christianity is 1 innocent man bearing the sins of the entire humanity? Where's the justice in that?

[@someone-w9n]

The God of Islam is practically copied from old testament, even early Muslims wrote about this, Jews of Yemen knew about that. It's called Isreali texts in Islam. Look it up.

[@kamomaru1]

Quran talking about trinity what Quran are you reading

[@AlonzoHarris235]

@@thetheoreticaltheologian2458 Your god also expresses hate in the bible. Does he hate the second and third person in the trinity before creation as well?

[@failedjokes5469]

They eagerly cite Bart Ehrman to criticize Christianity, ignoring that the Quran and their other texts are equally open to textual and historical criticism. The issue lies in their tendency to place the Quran above scrutiny, treating it as an untouchable truth. They often rely on the standard narrative-especially the claim that the Bible was corrupted-as a defensive mechanism, blocking any progress toward an objective view of Islamic narratives. Those who attempt to move forward are quickly dismissed as “liberals,” a label Islam has yet to reconcile with, unlike Christianity, which has embraced such challenges in its evolution. (Excuse me for a bit of generalization here to make things short)

[@emje8707]

The claims of ehrman can be addressed can the Muslims address this without threats lies and mental gymnastics???

[@emje8707]

The claims of ehrman can be addressed can the Muslims address this without threats lies and mental gymnastics???

[@AlonzoHarris235]

@@failedjokes5469 The bible is corrupt. That’s not a claim from Muslims. That can easily be proven. Christianity can’t preserve text or theology. Everything in your religion is updated and changed.

[@mysotiras21]

BINGO!!! Subject the Qur'an to the same degree of skeptical scrutiny that the Bible has received over the past 2+ centuries, and the Qur'an collapses like a house of cards. This is exactly what is happening now. And the Muslims are outraged and gob smacked, because they assume that the Qur'an is too holy for such analysis.

[@amarth00]

@@emje8707 I dont like to say it but ehrman's claims have in no way been refuted yet, lack of historical evidence leaves many questions open

[@Woodsbilley]

DR.Josh please get a mic

[@ljnouata9088]

Dr Josh Sijuwade lost a debate to Dr Ali Ataie regarding the Trinity theory.

[@Vinsanity997]

This thesis is what we were taught in the history program of my college

[@MrAgonizomai]

IF premises 2 & 3 are accurate (I believe them to be), THEN Islam today is DISCONTINUOUS with Muhammad’s Islam. THEREFORE Islam lacks (a) Doctrinal continuity, and (b) Organisational continuity with the founding community of Islam as established by Muhammad. If there is discontinuity with the founding community of a present-day religion, outsiders are entitled to question the faithfulness of the community to its founder’s faith, teaching and organisation. They may legitimately discount the contemporary teaching and organisation and call for the community to radically reform itself to merit the name it claims, or to abandon its claim to the name. This is not a hostile position for Christians in relation to Islam. It seems to call them back to true faith and to reasoned and valid understanding of the faith they claim. Islam, as at present constituted, needs to disappear, and a closer alliance between Christians and Muslims needs to be formed. There is a strong argument that Islam was originally a Christian sect concerned that the doctrine of the Trinity was wrongly conceived, and that Islam acquired its contemporary features in reaction to the resistance to that idea that it faced. The call should therefore go out to all Muslims everywhere, to leave Islam and return to the original fold of the community of the people of the Messiah whose identity, existence and nature point ineluctably to the deduction that he is God in human form.

[@amarth00]

Very well put together and valuable data

[@nacimiyu]

God bless you 🙏

[@starshipchris4518]

Great presentation, synthesis, and conclusion. I didn't want it to end. As an aside, just from an historical perspective, I think Abd al-Malik flies under the radar as one of the most important and influential people in history.

[@clarekuehn4372]

Luther revolution wasn't "easy". The guest is ignoring wars, martyrdoms, spy rings, land grabs, etc., to assert Protestantism.

[@SOX-9]

I don't know the history well enough but could the early inclusivity explain why christians were easily conquered by muslims. Maybe at first, they just seemed like a another empire not threatening to Chrisitians in particular, and it was only later that the suppression of Christianity started taking hold, by which time muslims controlled all the political machinery.

[@andrew-x3n4r]

same thing thats happening in the west now, if history has not taught us! islam spread by gaining trust and living amongst the non believers and when in superior numbers used the sword. Muhammad signed a treaty with Constantinople declaring that no violence would take place between muslims and others. a week later he took Constantinople by force! ive been studying islam for years and I swear that all that is happening in the west now is exactly how islam spread in the first place.

[@frankjaeger9068]

Christians were not easily conquered, bear in mind the Roman Empire was suffering defeat from within splitting into East and west. According to modern standards Islam as an empire is virtually decimated ever since the treaty of Kalowitce. The only war to win now is bringing them to Jesus.

[@abj136]

The traditional history is that Islamic caliphates conquered much of the world. The current scholarship is that caliphates did indeed conquer, but they weren’t Islamic yet when they began conquering.

[@someone-w9n]

Because Christnaity ruined the native religion of Egypt, Syria, Anatolia, Rome, and most of the region. Egypt used to have a big army, and after Christnaity they had no army and Christians there teamed up with Arabs and allowed them in the land just to save their pope Benjamin whom Byzantines exiled. That just one example. Christianity didn't protect these lands... It was just a matter of few centuries until it got conquered

[@SOX-9]

@someone-w9n evidence please because this sounds confused

[@michielvdvlies3315]

im from th Netherlands what moved me last year (2024) the syrian orthodox church in my country grew by 400% mainly because of islam, and most of them refugees or millennials

[@BigBroTejano]

Odd how I don’t see anyone complaining about “clickbait” titles… almost like y’all don’t actually care about the titles and just the subject Cam is talking about.

[@dfwherbie8814]

Yeah, Wes has gathered, albeit unwittingly, a rather toxic and heretical fanbase

[@MarkPatmos]

@@dfwherbie8814How are Wes’ supposed fanbase responsible for Cameron’s clickbait titles?

[@jeremias-serus]

@@MarkPatmos Would you call this title clickbait?

[@MarkPatmos]

@@jeremias-serusYes, but didn’t really have a problem if it got more views

[@dfwherbie8814]

@ it’s not clickbait. Wes has said some pretty dumb things on theology and church history. For starters, he creates a false dichotomy within Christianity where only Protestantism and Catholicism exists. It’s as if he’s never heard of Orthodox Christianity. Which I find hard to believe. So that forces me to think he’s intentionally being disingenuous when he says things like “Catholics worship Mary,” or “the Catholic Church was formed in the 9th century,” and “only Catholics use terms like ‘Eucharist’,” and that they retroactively apply Eucharistic theology to the early church, kinda like a forced-fit. And that’s so patently false. Not only do eastern and oriental orthodox Christians practice all 7 sacraments (only exception in Christianity being with most Protestants), but they use “Eucharist” to refer to the body and blood of Christ. The earliest written reference to the Eucharist outside the New Testament appears in the Didache (1st century AD), an early Christian manual of teachings, and in the writings of Ignatius of Antioch (early 2nd century AD, who was also a disciple of the Apostle John), who used the term to describe the sacrament.

[@mieboques994]

Romans 1:25 says, "They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever

[@danjumadogonyaro1759]

Islam and the Quran is Muhammad’s creation, what’s there to debate about?

[@BigBroTejano]

Well there is the debate if Muhammad was a real person or not. And if Islam started as a Christian heretical sect that over time morphed into the distinct religion we know it as today.

[@Himathyyy]

@@BigBroTejanoIslam is closer to Hinduism if you look more into it , I’m an ex Muslim , glad to have JESUS

[@jimmythegeordie2638]

The Quran (Ayran Christian Hersey as outlined by St John of Damascus; who lived in Damascus during the reign of Abdul Malak and his predecessor, via the Hersey of the Ishmaelites) is Abdul Malak's creation, Islam and Muhammad are the creation of the Abbasid Empire along with the bastardization of Abdul Malak's Quran for their own political whims.

[@AlonzoHarris235]

@@jimmythegeordie2638 John of Damascus is an uneducated person. His claims about Islam are proven false. He even invents chapters and verses in the Quran that don’t exist. He is also a liar.

[@AlonzoHarris235]

@@danjumadogonyaro1759 The trinity is three gods.

[@JaySamurai79]

Dr Josh aye? Congrats bro. I remember when he use to come Speakers Corner awhile back.

[@petethepeg2]

Regarding speakers corner in London and it's most powerful rebuttals against Islam , which are very simple , direct and very powerful , I urge folk to look up Dr Jay Smith and Pfander films. But caution as the Islamic world won't appreciate you !

[@AlonzoHarris235]

@@petethepeg2 He has weak arguments. That’s why he hides in his channel with yes men. All his ‘arguments’ can be used against Christianity.

[@petethepeg2]

@AlonzoHarris235 LOL ! On the contrary , thanks to people like Dr Jay Smith , the cat is out of the bag and people can see Islam , the Profit and the Quran as completely fraud . Thanks for bringing it up !

[@cjk3922]

Hey, maybe Joshua could give some sample of Churches being built under the Rashidun caliphate?

[@Martin4Mary4Ever]

This is the best argument against Islam that I've seen yet.

[@stufreeland5709]

Standard Islamic Narrative or SIN for short.

[@CovocNexus]

Love Joshua's work. He helped me see Monarchical Trinitarianism as acceptable. Glad to see him still coming up with great arguments. Let's see how the Muslims accept this one. Most dawah guys will dismiss it, but the academic Muslims will have to deal with this.

[@EasternRomanOrthodox.]

☦️Sorry but his model has nothing to do with the Monarchy of the Father as taught by the holy fathers & the only correct view of the Trinity. His Model is Partialism. And stop calling it "trinitarianism" & promote that philosophical mambo jumbo surrounding it. We are only Christians & that entails the correct belief in the Trinity. You legitimize the Arian so-called "unitarians" & make our faith sound stupid & a game for the 1% elites.

[@youmnaification]

This argument is baseless. Dr. Sijuwade is talking about Pan-Abrahamic in his article. The Prophet Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but believed in ONE GOD. He submitted (i.e Muslim) to the will of GOD. Moses believed in ONE GOD as well, however his followers didn't keep the commandments and that's why GOD sent Jesus to fulfil what Moses came with, but again only few that believed in Jesus and later they changed the Gospel and made Jesus as son of GOD and sometimes refer to him as God.

[@kimballchoo]

Watch Sam Shamoun.. he is eloquent both in Bible and quran.

[@AlonzoHarris235]

@@kimballchoo 🤣

[@marc3dartist601]

@AlonzoHarris235 Wrong answer Alonzo, are you out of your mind today? The only answer you should give is: Sam Shamoun believes in 3 gods...

[@paulrussell6495]

​@marc3dartist601 call him and prove to him he worships 3 gods. You won't, tho you will hide behind your keyboard like a coward

[@ianbaker-h7h]

Christian Prince is amazing in his biblical knowledge humour and persistence.

[@bryanhodgespl00ip77]

Fascinating discussion!

[@o.d6013]

Damn i remember Josh from speakers corner like 5-7 years i think now

[@MarkPatmos]

The Quran seems to be arguing against a version of tritheism that includes Mary. Jesus even is assumed by Allah to have been making this claim on the Day of Judgement, where Jesus defends himself as though it might have been a claim he made. (Surah 5:116) Presumably this is an argument against what is understood as Christian doctrine. If it is understood as a fringe Christian belief why is Jesus having to defend himself as though he may also be responsible for it?

[@ahmaduahmed8760]

The point is Jesus pbuh never claimed to be god. All these crap about trinity were developed after him and put their words into his mouth. Example 1 John 5:7 there are 3 that bear bear witness...this verse has been purged from the Bible believed to be a later addition. Meaning someone wrote a lie in the scripture. The Qur'an says Jesus pbuh will testify that he never asked people to worship him. Trinity started from Aranism, modalism, etc, the confusion was so much that a council, nicea, had to decide who Jesus pbuh was, simply by voting. If truth is absolute and eternal, it wouldn't wait for a council to decide that. Since that what happened then the true teaching was either lost or made obsecure.

[@houstoneuler]

@@ahmaduahmed8760 Jesus repeatedly claimed to be God, he just didn't use the exact words that muslims demand. The pharisees recognized that he was claiming to be God, which was why they tried to stone him several times, tried to run him over a cliff, then finally pressured the Romans into crucifying him. It was not blasphemy to claim to be a messiah.

[@brandonscorner9184]

​@ahmaduahmed8760 you're argument on the trinity doesn't matter to the original comment. The Author of the Quran, who is supposed to be all knowing includes Mary in the Trinity. If your Allah is the author of the Quran and all knowing, how does he make that mistake? The obvious answer is the human author of the Quran didn't understand Christian or Jewish theology when they wrote the Quran. And accidentally included Mary into the trinity.

[@julien-cp3fx]

@@ahmaduahmed8760 Textual criticism allow us to know when a passage is added. We removed the forged version of 1 John 5.7 because we know it's false. We put the original verse instead because we know it and we know it's the right version. And if we don't remove passages where Jesus claims to be divine, that's because we have strong evidence those passages are authentic. Matthew 4.7 and John 17.5 are examples of such verses. If arianism, modalism or partialism were declared heresies, that's because they don't fit the biblical data. this is also because the trinity is based on the bible that many christians before NIcea believed in the trinity (although some details were understood in various ways). This is for this same reason that once they stopped being persecuted and could organize councils, the trinity was rapidely defined without major disagreement. But non of this removes the original problem : the poor understanding of the trinity in the Quran in 4.171 or 5.116, that seriously challenges the supposed Quran inerrancy.

[@mysotiras21]

Great point.

[@crusader_2028]

Other than the hadiths (written 300 years after the time of "Mohammed" or the "anointed one") do we have.

[@wesb211]

Excellent

[@Repent4JesusChrist]

Rubbish is Garbage. Save the World,🙏✝️🕊

[@teresabastone7599]

This was a great episode, I learned quite a bit of new and compelling information about Islam. Thank you very much for imparting important knowledge. May God Bless you both and your families, as well. 🙏🏼❤️🙏🏼❤️🙏🏼

[@ghsense2626]

All talk none of you can defeat Daniel Haqiqatou

[@narrowgate4498]

Was beast when he was debating in speakers corner years ago 🙌🏽

[@oldgazaplayer2024]

I always laugh when Muslims say peace be upon Muhammad but Jesus says he is peace ,so the prophet is in hell ?

[@Terri-b4d]

Go teach your diversity equity and inclusion in saudi arabia or Pakistan....good luck

[@g0nchyy]

?

[@Terri-b4d]

@g0nchyy ?

[@MichElle-zc9tu]

Lord Jesus Christ conquers with The Word (Holy Bible). islam conquers with the sword (bloodshed). Never forget The Battle of Lepanto and how the brave though outnumbered Crusaders defeated the blood thirsty ottomans.

[@20july1944]

I watched this, I can't make sense of it. Can a Christian summarize this for me?

[@Weebgamer236]

stop being adhd and watch the whole preentation

[@Giant_Meteor]

He is alleging that early Islam at the time of Mohammed was okay with Christians being Christians and Jews being Jews... that is the real Islam. But shortly after Mo's death, the various militant Islams appeared, Sunni, Shia, etc. and so none of these can be the real Islam. The real Islam is extinct. I don't find this argument particularly persuasive, but whatever.

[@Akhgy]

@@Giant_Meteoryeah it’s not a strong one, but it’s basically the truth.

[@20july1944]

@@Giant_Meteor Thank you. I inferred it was something bizarre like that.

[@0786AHA]

​@@20july1944 Just another analysis based on outside looking in. Lol. Bizarre is correct.

[@eltiempo2020]

It’s quite fascinating and even amusing to see so-called religious “experts” openly criticize other faiths without hesitation. First, Christianity not only embodies many of the worst aspects of religion but also fails to connect in any meaningful way with the Old Testament creed, prophets and traditions . Judaism, on the other hand, is highly tribal, egocentric, narcissistic and borrows heavily from other ancient religions from East. Meanwhile, Islam references both the Old and New Testaments prophets, but does so in a vague and ambiguous manner. At the end all of them fail with claims.

[@BathwaterBender]

How is surah 9:29 inclusive? Lol

[@brandonscorner9184]

If you were in Dawah mode, and the argument was that Islam condemns Christians and Jews. You'd bring up Surah 2:62.

[@BathwaterBender]

@brandonscorner9184 I'm pretty sure 9:29 still applies. That verse says whoever truly believes in Allah and the last day, of any of them. But how do you make them believe if they don't. You fight them. Until they believe or pay the jizyah

[@g0nchyy]

But surah 9 is one of the latest surahs of all the Qur'an in chronological order. It's the 113. Surah 2 is just the 87

[@BathwaterBender]

@@g0nchyy Love the changed book out of order claim lol. It still follows though doesn't it? First Allah says whoever believes, and then says what to do with the ones that don't believe. Just fight them.

[@BathwaterBender]

@g0nchyy Gotta love the changed, book out of order, claim lol. Either way, though, 2 comes before 9, 87 comes before 113

[@decktator]

Right off the bat there’s so many angles to tear this argument apart! Muhammad (saw) never founded the religion. It was always calling people back to the truth… the truth of Moses, Abraham, Noah, Jesus (pbuta) etc… so yes it was inclusive in the sense that what u were originally taught we include. It became exclusive when xtianity changed, the bible changed, xtian scholars started adding and taking away from the scripture!

[@gondala]

I am muslim, and I always watching the debate between muslims and christians. The muslims always asking very critical questions to christians and to me this questions sometime to the level of "atheist" or "nonbeliever". I mean, those muslims asking as if they are atheist and not believe in God. This tactic to me was interesting, and sometime very fundamental thought provoking. After sometime and lot of lot watching those debates, then I did the same method to ask my own religion (i.e. Islam). You know what? Actually, the Islamic religion and tradition is actually has the same "problems" with christianity. For example, muslims always asking the reliability of bible because this and that. Then, when I did some researches, I have come to the conclusion that we cannot believe Quran as 100% reliable. The reason is, Quran that we have today comes in few stages. From no dots and harakat or vowel signs to the standarization as we have today... The problem that I have is how do we know that the commentator/scholars/scriber of Quran didn't "missed" or make mistakes when they give dots and harakat to make certain word or meaning? Uthmanic Quran didn't have dots or harakat (vowel signs), so people can read different ways so that it would have different meaning/words. Since we don't have "full" book of uthmanic Quran so we cannot 100% of certainty to say that Quran is 100% reliable. Do I change my religion to christianity or become atheist? The answer is NO. I do believe in Oneness of GOD and all messengers, and I know that Christianity is actually also problematic. My perspective to religions (Jewish, Christianity, Islam, and so on) now is more "open minded". I mean, religion must make a person closer to God, kind to people, do good deeds, believe in final judgment and hereafter, etc. So, one religion to me has certain "syariah" or "laws" that it might come from God or inspired from God. However, over time, people may have "corrupted" their religions from adding the interpretation or adding different meaning to their scriptures. My point is, over times, we cannot 100% guarantee that one religion is 100% correct, because human are always making mistake even they intended to make it good or better. So "corruption" can be intentionally or unintentionally.

[@GIG911]

Watch Christian Prince and you will find out the truth.

[@AlonzoHarris235]

The Quran is not a book or script. You are conflating Quran with Mushaf. How do you know how to read a script in the first place? You rely on memory. You can’t read any text or script without relying on memory.

[@AlonzoHarris235]

@GIG911 Christian Princess believes in four gods.

[@DA-0091]

Bro everyone will tell u their faith is right. When I spoke to God, it came over time. I dedicated time to spend with him n talk to him like he was my friends. Slang n everything. I told God, thru Jesus his son to talk to him. In that time, the Holy Ghost would show me how I wasn’t being faithful to god, then one day, he spoke. The universe literally was in synchronicity when he spoke. That’s the best way to find God. He’s lead u

[@williammceuen8831]

I like your honesty.

[@jmisc]

This kind of argument is useless to be honest. Go simple and show that it is the theology of Satan and wrong.

[@mohammedowais6682]

lol! terrified! It's not a new argument. Infact not an argument at all. It's a subjective reading in to the text that simply isn't there. Sorry to say, what a let down. Was expecting my faith to crumble with that sort of title 😂

[@kamomaru1]

I'm also disappointed about video well he confirmed the perseverance of the Quran at the time of the prophet

[@mandandi]

Herman Moll, born in 1654 to 1732 in England wrote in he book called History and Geography, Atlas Geographus - Complete system of Geography ……..Sanon Vol 4 pf 5. and on Page 39 of the Modern Africa in General, Muslims killed Africans and burned their books, according to this books from 1700s.

[@mortensimonsen1645]

AFAIK one of the caliphs must have been Christian, due to some of the coins he minted (they had crosses on them). So I am sure the early Islam was more inclusive since it was basically a Christian heresy. Much later the empires developed "Islam". To say that the Quran is early is misleading - since it includes earlier Jewish legends. Of course, it is "early", but not because someone (Muhammed) received it in a cave.

[@AlonzoHarris235]

The crusaders had moons in their coins. They must be Muslims?🥴 There were also coins minted with firealters in the 7th century. They must be Zoroastrians as well.🥴 There is contemporary historical evidence that Christians didn’t accept coins without crosses. It’s perfectly in line to use coins with crosses in lands that are almost all Christian. It doesn’t mean the caliph is Christian.

[@mortensimonsen1645]

@AlonzoHarris235 Islam teaches that Jesus did not die on the cross. To use the cross is to signal that you believe this is significant. If you manage to believe the caliph so soon after Muhammed had taught them all to deny the Trinity (an *extremely* important part of Islam), then proceeds to mint the coins with crosses, then you surely believe in a very inclusive Islamic world. It's much easier to accept that this whole story of "Islamic" caliphs is a later fabrication.

[@AlonzoHarris235]

@@mortensimonsen1645 You can read Hoyland. He has contemporary 7th century sources that Christians didn’t accept the coins without crosses. That’s why they minted the coins with crosses like the Byzantines. Your conspiracy theory is proven false by contemporary evidence. The caliph didn’t forbid Christians to practice their religion. Why must he forbid crosses on THEIR coins used by CHRISTIANS. How do you explain firealters in the former Sassanian empire. Are they Christians and Zoroastrians at the same time?🥴

[@AlonzoHarris235]

@@mortensimonsen1645 This is proven false. You can read the work of Hoyland. He shows contemporary Christian evidence that they didn’t accept coins of the caliph without crosses. That’s why the crosses were minted on coins used by Christians. The same goes for the former Zoroastrian land. The coins were minted with firealters.

[@mortensimonsen1645]

@AlonzoHarris235 please share reference to this proof

[@ranita899]

Islam is further damaged by the internet

[@GIG911]

✝️

[@djoloffc]

As a Muslim this is a joke. Islam always believed if you die as a Christian or Jew by denying the prophet you will go to hell Surat 98:6 . That that’s sound like inclusive

[@yarnybart5911]

What difference does you being a muslim make? Your judgement is poor, so what's the likelihood you know what a joke is? If someone thinks the sun sets in a spring of water, does it matter what else they think, as a muslim or as anything else.

[@brandonscorner9184]

I was listening in and thought this argument was too nuanced for the average Muslim to follow. You're the proof that it was.

[@AlonzoHarris235]

@@brandonscorner9184 It’s a dumb argument.

[@brandonscorner9184]

@AlonzoHarris235 it's not. You just need more than surface level knowledge on historical Islam.

[@djoloffc]

@@yarnybart5911 why Christians keep repeating these weak tired arguments Allah never said the sun set in a muddy spring. The verse say it appeared to dhul kal nay. This is what Allah said about the sun surat 21:33. Now you don’t believe in 1 God, you believe in 3 in 1 god. Learn how to count

[@PaulHiggins-p1y]

Remove the PLO

[@newglof9558]

Even Muslims are not aware of the Hundreth Name of Allah: The One Who Is Really Nice (Al-Shakhs Al-Adhi hu Latif Haqana) Allah is really nice, yet you reject Islam.

[@NicooRico]

Where did you get this information from?

[@newglof9558]

​@@NicooRico you aren't aware of the Hundreth Name of Allah? He is really nice. A really nice god. Why do you reject him?

[@mysotiras21]

Allah claims to be a lot of nice things that he is not - like merciful.

[@Dawa_GuY]

Quran 3:99 Say, "O People of the Scripture, why do you avert from the way of Allah those who believe, seeking to make it [seem] deviant, while you are witnesses [to the truth]? And Allah is not unaware of what you do."

[@wheatblue7592]

It's genuinely entertaining seeing how horrendous Christian apologetics have been ever since the supposed saint John of Damascus made his pathetic attempt of criticising Islam by making up a whole new surah that is non-existent. I have no idea how this horrendous argument by Sijuwade even went through the publisher, but he relies on outdated thesis that early Islam is strictly exclucivist in salvation when this has been rejected by consensus. Being under Islamic governance and sovereignty, having your existence acknowledged due to close proximity in shared tradition does not entail that the Prophet SAW extends salvation to the people of the Book. In fact, the Quran is clear. Those who say, “Allah is the Messiah, son of Mary,” have certainly fallen into disbelief. The Messiah ˹himself˺ said, “O Children of Israel! Worship Allah-my Lord and your Lord.” Whoever associates others with Allah ˹in worship˺ will surely be forbidden Paradise by Allah. Their home will be the Fire. And the wrongdoers will have no helpers. Al-Ma'idah 72. Does Sijuwade even know about the concept of dhimmitude? The contract of protection where all churches, synagogues, lives, wealth, etc is guaranteed and that they are exempt from military service in exchange of small tax payment? How does this acknowledgement of living under the sovereignty of Islamic caliphate suddenly entail that salvation is extended to them? Come up with something better on par with the logical problem of the trinity and incarnation instead of this garbage.

[@AlonzoHarris235]

I thought the same thing. He even quotes Neuwirth. Neuwirth literally says that chapter 112 is a direct engagement with the Nicean creed..🤣

[@polokucoch8112]

LIST OF FALSE CORRUPTED qurans (DIFFERENT VERSIONS) DIFFERENT LETTERS, DIFFERENT SPELLING, DIFFERENT WORDS, DIFFERENT MEANING, DIFFERENT SUBJECTS, DIFFERENT THEOLOGICAL MEANING : Al-Athram Quran: This DIFFERENT CHANGED VERSION of the quran is NOT one of the 7 qira’at. It is different than the other qurans in spelling, and is used in some small circles that focus on preserving this VERSION of the quran. It is primarily used in Tunisia. Al-Duri an Abu Ja'far Quran: This DIFFERENT VERSION of the quran is NOT one of the 7 qira’at. Its transmitted reciter was from the 9th century and this version is mainly read in Algeria and Morroco. Qumbul quran: This DIFFERENT VERSION of the quran is based on the recitation of a scholar named Qumbul Shafi'i. It is used mainly in parts of Indonesia Ahmadiyya quran: This DIFFERENT VERSION of the quran is based on the recitation of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. It is mainly used in Qadian and other parts of India Hafs an Aasim Quran - This DIFFERENT VERISON of the quran is used in Bangladesh and standardized in its islamic institutions. Although the difference it is known for its linguistic style. Ya'qub al-Hadrami Quran - This DIFFERENT VERSION of the quran is primarily used in Yemen and more specifically was used in Hadramawt, However, even within Yemen today, its usage is minimal, with the Hafs recitation being more common and taking over as the main quran. Ad-Dukhan quran: This DIFFERENT VERSION of the Quran is based on the recitation of a scholar named 'Ali al-Hudhaifi. It is used mainly in parts of Saudi Arabia Abu Bakr quran : This DIFFERENT VERSION of the quran, also known as “mushaf al-Madina” is based on the recitation used in Saudi Arabia. This quran was first printed in 1985 under King Fahd Complex. Al-Mubarakpuri quran : This DIFFERENT VERSION of the quran, that was interpreted off of the the quran by Safiur Rahman Mubarakpuri of INDIA. This quran is mainly used in South Asia, Pakistan and Urdu, and INDIA. Khallad Quran - This DIFFERENT VERSION of the quran is used in Egypt, Morocco, Algeria, and Tunisia, and Saudi Arabia. Ironically this quran is NOT really used for recitation. One of the readers of the different versions of qurans didn’t read this VERSION of the quran until after 844 CE. Two hundreds years after the death of allah’s partner mahamed. Hamzah quran : This DIFFERENT VERSION of the quran, also known as the "Mushaf al-Hamzah," is primarily used in Indonesia. This particular version is named after Hamzah al-Kufi. Ruways quran : This DIFFERENT VERSION of the quran is associated with the city of Ruwais in the United Arab Emirates (UAE). This version was first printed and distributed in this region. It is named after Ruwais because it was first printed and distributed there. However, its usage might not be as widespread as some other versions of the quran. Rawh quran : This DIFFERENT VERSION of the quran, also known as the "Mushaf al-Rawh," is primarily used in Iraq. It is mainly used in the Shia region of Iraq for Shia muslims. Sunni muslims do not used this version of the quran. Hafs quran: This is the most widely used DIFFERENT VERSION of the Quran in the world today, and it is based on the recitation of a scholar named 'Asim ibn Abi al-Najud. It is sometimes called the "standard" version of the Quran. Warsh quran: This DIFFERENT VERSION of the Quran is also based on the recitation of 'Asim ibn Abi al-Najud, but it has differences in pronunciation and spelling and meaning compared to the Hafs Quran. It is used mainly in North and West Africa. Qalun quran: This DIFFERENT VERSION of the Quran is based on the recitation of a scholar named Nafi' al-Madani. It is used mainly in North Africa - Libya, Tunisia, Alberia and Morroco and is one of two major styles, particulalary the absence of vowels. Al-Duri Quran: This DIFFERENT VERSION of the Quran is based on the recitation of a scholar named Abu 'Amr al-Dani. It is mainly used in Sudan and parts of West Africa. Al-Bazzi Quran: This DIFFERENT VERSION of the Quran is based on the recitation of a scholar named Ibn Kathir al-Makki. It is used mainly in Syria. This quran is specifically used in scholarly communitites. This book features unique diacritical marks that only follow al-bazzi method and rules which are different than hafs and warsh qurans. Khalaf Quran: This DIFFERENT VERSION of the Quran is based on the recitation of a scholar named Hamzah al-Kufi. It is used mainly in parts of Iraq and the Gulf region. Al-Susi Quran: This DIFFERENT VERSION of the Quran is based on the recitation of a scholar named Yahya al-Yazidi. It is used mainly in Morocco Ibn 'Amer Quran: This DIFFERENT VERSION of the Quran is based on the recitation of a scholar named Abu 'Amr ibn al-'Ala. It is used mainly in parts of Egypt Dima Quran: This DIFFERENT VERSION of the Quran is based on the recitation of a scholar named Ibn 'Ayyash al-Dimashqi. It is used mainly in parts of Syria and Lebanon. Shu'bah Quran: This DIFFERENT VERSION of the Quran is based on the recitation of a scholar named Shu'bah ibn 'Asim. It is used mainly in Yemen Hisham Quran: This DIFFERENT VERSION of the Quran is based on the recitation of a scholar named Hisham ibn 'Amr al-Fuwati. It is used mainly in parts of Sudan Abu Jafar Quran: This DIFFERENT VERSION of the Quran is based on the recitation of a scholar named Abu Jafar al-Madani. It is used mainly in parts of the Arabian Peninsula Ibn Kathir Quran: This DIFFERENT VERSION of the Quran is based on the recitation of a scholar named Ibn Kathir al-Makki. It is used mainly in parts of Syria Abdullah ibn Thabit Quran - This DIFFERENT VERSION of the quran is mainly used in parts of Uzbekistan. Al-Laythi Quran - This DIFFERENT VERSION of the quran is used in Libya and some parts of North Africa.

[@AlonzoHarris235]

@@polokucoch8112 Bot alert.

[@polokucoch8112]

your IGNORANCE is MIGHTY. you horrendously babble like a fool in the king's court. No substance : Show me where John of Damascus fabricated a "whole new surah"? Give me chapter and verse and DO NOT give me a reference or critique of text. If you can't then you've lost all credibility. And on early islamic views on salvation : "Indeed, those who have believed and those who were Jews or Christians or Sabeans-those who believed in Allah and the Last Day and did righteous deeds-will have their reward with their Lord, and no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve." (Quran 2:62; 5:69). And when you talk about Dhimmitude, which was and is common knowledge, Its application is more social and political than theological. Quran 3:199): "And indeed, among the People of the Scripture are those who believe in Allah and what was revealed to you and what was revealed to them, being humbly submissive to Allah. They do not exchange the verses of Allah for a small price. Those will have their reward with their Lord." STOP WITH ur HORRENDOUS IGNORANCE...

[@polokucoch8112]

@AlonzoHarris235 The Bot returns!!! Find mahamed's partner allah's injeel yet? 🤣

[@PaulHiggins-p1y]

End the POL

[@Marz-sd4ps]

As a muslim, I’m ready for a nice laugh. Let me get my popcorn

[@Christiansstillstruggle]

I laugh everyday at the fact that Mohammed thought the Jews he lost turned into rats because they would avoid Camel's milk forbidden in the Torah and how Mohammed thinks the sun sets in a pool of water 😭😭😭🤣 Silly Mohammed 🤪💀💀💀

[@jamesjones11301994]

Nothing to laugh about bud. History is not on your side

[@Marz-sd4ps]

@@jamesjones11301994 Yea now that I watched it, I could admit just how right I was. Actually it was one of the worst, ill-informed, incorrect, desperate arguments I’ve heard. But I do like Josh, I believe he will become a muslim, May Allah guide him and you.

[@Chickennugget146]

​@Marz-sd4ps you cornier than the popcorn bro sit down

[@grumpygranny724]

What's it like, living in the 7th century??

[@AbuJordyn]

Cameron is wrong on his premise. It was inclusive it was a criterion.

[@Clos_Goldstienburg-III]

Did Uthman get the order to burn the other diverse Arabian tribes Qurans from Muhammad or Allah? Or did he take it upon himself to decide the route Islam will take?

[@kamomaru1]

But you not paying attention to the video listen to the geust

[@ccodyguy]

What about abrogation?

[@OumarO-hr4in]

I urge all of you to watch Joshua vs jake about trinity

[@lucienlagarde8093]

I didn't know that's what's going on in islamic scholarship in the accademia. Traditionalists would not like that pluralism but that sound interresting. I knew that base on Haddiths there are bunch of random speculation and so much exaggeration in the point that you even think that Mohamed wasn't a real person and i knew the true Mohamed is different than the Mohamed we were told to believe in muslim tradition . And my intuition didn't lie to me

[@lynnewilkins0123]

All religions except for the Gospel are created from “works” by man, his idea of morality, his spiritual beliefs, his wants, what he thinks his God/Gods needs, to gain approval acceptance for ultimate reward. Man has to sacrifice or withhold his impulses his flesh to overcome, then simply make better choices to atone. No God or Idol or religion has an answer, a permanent solution for evil, for sin and death. Gods anger wrath judgement follows our slavery to sin. Why is there sin, evil. It’s always been, it’s spiritual. For a time we were alive eternal apart from the law. When the command was given sin sprang to life in our hearts in our flesh and we died. So does the law bring death, by no means, it is true holy it is life. It points only to our evil heart. In this “awakening” this knowledge the law became weak cursed so that sin in us could become more sinful and mortal. So then we all fall short of Gods glory. It’s referred to as the sinful wicked evil age. A time of slavery. No slave can oppose his master. First Adam the natural man. Anyone born from birthing pangs is cursed. The ground upon which we came is cursed. In this state we are wretched cut off from God. But… our Heavenly Father always had a plan of redemption of reconciliation. Enter our creator our father the fulfilled word of God. The second Adam. Only in Jesus is there life. Only in Jesus is there no longer a cursed weak law. He obeyed his father in all his ways, he saved every disciple given to him. He was tempted by Satan and was victorious. Then he willingly knowingly had to address the requirements of a weak cursed law. Shedding of blood. Every person born of Adam’s seed is under a curse, Jesus the spiritual law of life took our curse upon himself. He washed the serpents feet the curse undone. Sin lost its power lost its hold on death. Jesus was immediately declared Gods son, victorious, glorifying his father, himself taking his place on the right hand of his father, as he had from the behinning. PTL

[@mohamedseptember790]

Okay nice poetry. But doesn't explain why this wouldn't be created by man. Sounds like a Greek mythological story to me.

[@lynnewilkins0123]

@ the birth death resurrection of Jesus is historical. The five books of the Old Testament, the Jewish nation their history, their persecutions and successes are Devine no doubt. Gods chosen nation his beloved son. It is beyond speculation that ALL nations will turn against Israel and Jesus, it’s prophetic. Jesus is the only way the truth the life. He is the appointed High Priest the perfect lamb slain, his Kingdom is not of this world. In Adam you have ethnicities, cultures, skin color, racism, division, hatred, love of money power, sexual impurity, violence, wars, poor rich thin fat, diseases, aging death. Only in Christ there is no more Jew or gentile male or female we are one in Jesus.

[@adamdonovan4071]

It seems to me that the discontinuity is within Ms lifetime. He was inclusive when he was trying to gather power and exclusive when he was rationalizing exploiting his power. He was poisoned after raiding a J village, that’s not very inclusive. I think the argument is true and correct, but I think they will cling to the exclusivity at the end of his era to defend their current exclusivity, rather than being willing to acknowledge that M preached different messages based upon his own power, not revelation.

[@theusu7178]

Spot on, Bingo.

[@abj136]

M didn’t preach anything because he didn’t exist. The Q was assembled by empires after he was supposed to have been preaching, and M’s biography was invented much after. Look up “Standard Islamic Narrative”.

[@jamalkhan3708]

Modern Muslims are much much better than their role model Mo.

[@MichElle-zc9tu]

all 🐍s in the grass.

[@Hadeed20]

This is a strange argument. The tenets of the faith are derived from the Quran and sujuwade doesn’t dispute the early dating of the Quran. His argument is trying to use coexistence to show that coexistence to disprove Islam? Muslims escape to Christian Ethiopia 4 years into prophethood. The Ethiopians defeated the Jewish Himyarite kingdom not too long before, there’s Byzantine and Persians and their Arab proxies all over Bahrain and Palestine. Muslims were constantly in contact with these peoples

[@ThePeopleOfTheWayJohn14.6]

Daniel 7:13-14 New International Version 13 “In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man,[a] coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. 14 He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed. Read full chapter Footnotes Daniel 7:13 The Aramaic phrase bar enash means human being. The phrase son of man is retained here because of its use in the New Testament as a title of Jesus, probably based largely on this verse. New International Version (NIV) Holy Bible, New International Version®, NIV® Copyright ©1973, 1978, 1984, 2011 by Biblica, Inc.® Used by permission. All rights reserved worldwide.

[@zigzagzallakabam4823]

This was lengthy, informal, but not correct. Ive only been muslim 3 years and have been studying, and I've yet to see one of these videos of christians making a claim that Islam is false turn out to be true. I've had many talks with the local christian community, local theology department of a christian college, and for 1. Theyre always polite, respectful, and never make fun of islam. 2. Many times they only know of islam theough an orientalist framework, which has not just given the wrong info on islam but also many nonwestern cultures, religions, etc. I cant make a simple comment addressing all of his claims and mistakes, however I invite the brother to present this and discuss with islamic scholars near him, and not some street dawah people. Genuine intellectual exchange of ideas, after all we are both calling to the ways of our lord, no matter which side, and that requires compassion, empathy, and respect.

[@omar0bin0thabit]

The video’s title feels like classic clickbait, presenting an argument that’s been repeated by evangelists for over 25 years, now simply repackaged as a thesis. Dr. Sijuwadi, "the Philosopher," reiterates what has been known since the earliest days of Islam: a Muslim man can marry a Christian or Jewish woman, and communities have lived together harmoniously since the beginning of Islam even as Families. There's nothing groundbreaking in acknowledging this. As for the question of salvation, haven't you encountered Christians today who reject the Trinity or believe Jesus (PBUH) is a messenger or teacher rather than God? These individuals often strive to reconcile their beliefs with both the New and Old Testaments. Your real issue seems to be an unwillingness to admit that such individuals have always existed. This isn’t a new phenomenon-it’s part of history but not a part of your polemic bais.....