Ford XR6 Turbo v Commodore SS | Drag Race | Drive.com.au

[@triss87tr]

My missus and I would happily have both sitting side by side in our garage and take turns in driving them! Long live aussie muscle cars.

[@snapperhead1355]

To right mate both are awesome

[@phattjohnson]

That's awesome! Have you guys upgraded yet? :P

[@willmcc05]

@@phattjohnson only upgrade would be getting the hsv and fpv equivalent

[@jaseygee3903]

How is it a "tie" when the XR6 has a lower 0-100 and a higher trap speed ? ? ? Biased BS....Both great cars, but seriously The XR6 is clearly the winner.

[@mrcheesesmith]

Down the straight ford wins, but If you are looking for a commuter car with style and features you get way more bang for your $ buying a holden

[@cmrcz7550]

I do things out of spite as long as its not done more than about 130,000 KS. After that, Commodores are just about toast

[@MTT-ic3ci]

ronald howsley if you are going to compare the falcon with commadore speed...try a turbed l67(sidi sv6 engine), fg xr6t was released to compete with it but they never turbed the l67, to retaliate, instead Holden kept putting money in there own pocket. There isn't any difference other then dohc heads and the piston setup. All motors have potential it's up to the driver. Holden aus killed themselves its a shame really.

[@dootsmith8857]

@@MTT-ic3ci Not even close mate, the l67 was another variant of the prehistoric Buick design originally available in Commodores from the VN. Don't get me wrong, it's a great engine but will never compete with a Barra. The Alloytech V6 that Holden designed (as in the Sidi SV6) is completely different, and it's a piece of shit. 'Sidi' stands for Spark ignition direct injection, which is fkn stupid because without 'spark ignition' no petrol car on the road will run. LOL

[@MTT-ic3ci]

@@dootsmith8857 LFX and some LTTs are not a sidi engine and they are actually very capable they leave the line quicker then alot of cars at.4.8 to 100, both N/A the sv6 is actually quicker then a barra, but obviously agaisnt an xr6t it would get pulled in fairly easily, but yes those variants are shit. the l67 pushed the barra along and was superior in its time, the barra was considered sluggish junk until they turbo charged the beast haha but I agree with everything you say.

[@darrenharbrow9039]

Commodore tuned for sure. Never seen one run a 13.1 and 175kmh terminal speed. XR6 T spot on for its time.

[@phattjohnson]

Haha this is the most inconclusive Ford vs Holden video ever.. and I LOVE IT :D :D

[@raye3370]

It's so fucking sad to see the falcon going. I'm gonna miss the FALCON..

[@bobbafrett8685]

I agree. I have had 3 Falcon turbos, a BA, a BF2 and an FG2 G6E. Great cars. Now have a Mustang 5.0 that doesn't seem any quicker than my G6E turbo.

[@meganjay30]

hey wtf.. the falcon is home grown too!!!! falcons were only ever built here in Australia...

[@BadDriversNSW]

That's so true ! The Falcon is more homegrown than the Dunnydore.

[@meganjay30]

Hahaha yep, there only more holdens around because there's more fkn junkies around .. 😂😂

[@MTT-ic3ci]

Lol truth th commies are rebadged opels, apart from the ve and vf were the only true Aussie manufactured commadore.

[@shanejackson4978]

@@MTT-ic3ci What a stupid comment. I own a 2001 SS Ute, and it is not made by Opel. The Holden is MADE here in Australia. The new ZB Holden is a rebadged Opel. But all Holden's have been made in Australia since 1948! When the Commodore came out in 1978, it was similar to the Opel/Rekford made in Germany, but it was built in Aust by Australians.

[@MTT-ic3ci]

@@shanejackson4978 my was point was the ve vf and everything before.....obviously...im quite familiar with the commadore. I am working on a Ls as we speak.

[@out_on_bail]

Haha what a joke, How much did holden pay for you do make this video. No Standard SS stands a chance against any FG xr6 turbo

[@stevea9572]

what a load a shit

[@stusan7402]

They are 6 litre v8's mate of course they give a 6 cylinder turbo a fair run

[@stevea9572]

Your a dreamer

[@howtofixyourtech9945]

Mark short is a cockhead of a car jorno. Not sure if you’ve seen the xr8 fgx vs hsv clubsport video yet but it’s no better, in fact it’s even more annoying.

[@makka72]

If you pause it at 1:58 it looks like to me that the turbo was across first. But I may be wrong.

[@lQuadXl]

Fake. biased on the Commodore. No way a N/A unmodified v8 can get THAT close to a lighter turbo 6. Especially an Aussie Turbo Barra!

[@shanejackson4978]

kerb weight for the XR6T - ‎1,620 kg (3,570 lb)-1,740 kg .. for the SS - 1,622-1,780 kg (3,576-3,924 lb) .. - bugger all difference.

[@Eshayzbra96]

@Cory O'shannessy lmao i've raced plenty of SS's before i got my turbo tuned, and I always won.

[@DylanDiPowa]

LegionaryWithAGladius doesn’t mean a modified ss can’t take the win, manual ss is so much quicker than an auto

[@Eshayzbra96]

@@DylanDiPowa the Auto Turbo would still win lol

[@DylanDiPowa]

Ok

[@hsvsv8]

To suggest modifying one to beat the other is ridiculous. Obviously a bigger turbo will add power. But, with the bigger turbo comes more boost, so therefore bigger intercooler is needed, fuel delivery will need to be upgraded too (injectors & more than likely fuel pump), exhaust & tune too. The SS, with an exhaust, cam, CAI & tune will jump from 270 kw (manual) to around the 400+ mark with the only change to the fuel system needed being bigger injectors. All for a lot less too.

[@konner5213]

when you slow it down to 0.25 you can clearly see the falcon get in front and win.

[@Drivecomau]

A little behind scenes background, we tested each car with the same driver with a VBOX. What we filmed was a combination of those tests and also non-timed runs for filming.

[@351HOON]

Just bare in mind if it was a hot like it seems to be that would affected the turbo big time, I guess that's one the advantages of having an na engine

[@DylanDiPowa]

351HOON heat affects both cars, my ssv with a otr intake is so much more responsive in cold temps. Hot, not so much

[@T1000.Android]

Yes track conditions play a major roll but I have never seen an xr6T tie with an SS from the factory.

[@braydenparker8537]

^^and that's just facts

[@bennugent4426]

That’s right, the XR6T always wins

[@T1000.Android]

@@bennugent4426 yep, by about half a second.

[@MrMuso1563]

Were they both Autos or Manuals? Why is the VF SS all of a sudden as fast as the FG Turbo when previously with the VE SS there was no contest? Is it the greater traction with the SS rear tyres. It would be interesting to see how they would fare with a Cam and exhaust in the SS and a Tune/exhaust etc in the FG XR6T probably similar result.

[@MrMuso1563]

I wonder how quick the FG XR6 Turbo would have been with an underdrive pulley or at least the electric power steering pump. These Ford Turbos even with slight mods and tune are 'ball tearers' with sub 5 sec 0-100 kph very easy but traction is an issue. With mine when boost hits in 1st gear loss of traction is a pain and in the wet forget it. I think Holden's chassis is better in this respect and the new VF is great, good work Holden :-)

[@MrKrueger88]

That couldn't be further from the truth . Drive one and you'll see the falcon turns in better and gives much better feedback through the steering wheel . It's a far more modern and complex suspension , and a lot better than the commodores . Bit late now as you've probably sold it now , lol

[@johnboy5167]

​@@MrKrueger88 that's wrong the VF Holden is far superior to any Ford 😂

[@nzmarco]

@@MrKrueger88 Barra and ZF all the way, however looks, build quality and handling go to the Holden

[@Pinpointplastering]

I race my mates 2014 ss with my xr6 turbo always , and I always blow him apart sometimes over a car and a half , both stock so this video is very hard to believe.

[@AH-ji4xk]

+Baldwynmayhem its hard to fuckup straight lines in two autos.

[@MY_USER_WAS_TAKEN]

a car and a half is a fuck load in racing ..... kid shut up and buy a car

[@babaljitkaur7472]

Anthony yeah

[@mcraejustin]

Yes it was stopped, the supercharged motor is a GS or a GT mate. Not XR8. XR8 may return this year but it will be a rebadged GS.

[@danieloconnell8960]

Yep that's it. There may also be some other improvements too, as an average of 10rwkw is quite a bit for removing just one pump. It's made the biggest difference with the V6 Commodores with one auto reviewer testing the SV6 ute at 0-100km/h in 5.9 seconds.

[@homelander-enjoyer]

But are you talking vf ss? or ve ss? pretty sure VE made a bit less power. Either way both these cars should be making better times even when they are stock... As for the 317 running a 13.4, that seems realistic if it was stock and on bad tyres?

[@DaShizNit80]

Thats bullshit, my G6E turbos pulls 12.7 down the 1/4 mile stock as a rock!!!

[@DaShizNit80]

the night i bought my G6ET i was drag VE SS which has more KW and Nm then the VF and not even they could keep up!! How the fuck does this one end up with the same time???

[@2JZGTE30BMW]

Claudio Inacio Ve ss has more kw and nm with the same exact engine and tune as the VF?? Get your facts straight.. They both have the same (270kw) L77 engine, the auto has 10kw less (260) due to it's cylinder shutdown program. and 'i was drag' lol how old are you?

[@DaShizNit80]

Tim Huth If your going to come back by attacking my grammar or my age, then your proving to me and all of us you know f*&k all. Its KZbin, not English class!! Whatever why you want to put it. If you line up a VF SS and XR6T, stock as a rock, I can bet you my car for yours that you'd be staring at the XR6T tail lights at the end of the straight!!

[@2JZGTE30BMW]

i called you out with your knowledge dumbshit.. Vf same exact engine and powertrain as the Ve. You are the one who needs an education mate. Your saying the stock xr6t is faster? boo hoo. i have a modified Ve ss ute and we all know stock v stock the turbos are faster.. Just for the record yes KZbin isn't an english class, but your grammar is pathetic. Proving you don't know anything about the Commodores is saying i know fuck all?? Lmfao and 'all of us' ? You speak for the whole internet buddy?? hahaha

[@DaShizNit80]

Tim Huth Well if you read my original comment you see i was refering to the video which was bullshit, even you just finished saying yourself!! "we all know stock v stock the turbos are faster.." So before you fucken start insulting me, read the fucken comment first, you dumbshit!!! "all of us" for all the people that get bullied by people like you, that have no comeback lines and resort to insulting people for their grammar or they way they speak!!!

[@MrMuso1563]

So having the electric power steering pump is kind of like an under drive pulley mod, in that there is less load on the engine and therefore more power.

[@jrckelley]

fyi my fg xr6 turbo has 250,000km and ....... 460rwkw. cost me a bit over 10 grand. no reliability issues (new clutch was a given). the secret is finding a good tuner I like the SS but having driven one I would like to see what tune the boys at holden loaded into that one (hey - test the ford at the same time) also - are they manual or auto

[@tristianapple388]

Just recently bought my self an FG Mk2, beautiful car.

[@steve1714]

There are a lot of internet racers complaining on here about the times. Magazines, forums and stop watches lie, but the scoreboard never lies. This is what these 2 cars run stock taking off on the green light without sitting there for one minute stalling it up. Accept it.

[@KavinskyLovefoxxx]

i'd like to know the temperatures on the day...

[@perpetualgrin5804]

Check with the BOM.

[@GMH_GTR]

There is a lot more improvement there to be done. My 2010 xr6t went 12.73@110mph with a 1.9 60ft completely standard.

[@steve1714]

Did you take off on the green light or sit there building boost?

[@T1000.Android]

I have made up my mind, no more watching anything from this car channel!

[@warfl4g]

i agree, also manual is easier to spool on a turbo and the ability to control revs/tyre spin without electronics taking the skill out of it

[@danieloconnell8960]

Both autos, the Falcons ZF is still better though. Despite Holden still saying the VF makes the same 260 or 270kw they do make a little bit more power now thanks to an electric power steering pump instead of running it off the motor via ad belt. They've picked up about 10kw to the rear wheels.

[@Kneedragon1962]

Not quite what I expected, either. Still, stands to reason. These are direct competitors, so the factories would have aimed them at each other. Why should it surprise us that their performance under ideal grip was more or less the same? Really, we should roll our eyes and nod, pretty much what you'd expect from a Ford/Holden match-up.

[@mangrovejack3450]

both go as good as each other, there you go

[@hesgotamotor8288]

Nope clearly the ford was in front of the holden in every clip and its a short drag race, pfffffffffff wat ever oooooh yeh of little knowledge

[@natelove187]

I’ll rather have the Holden Commodore with its MAD MAX 6.2 V8 👀👍🇺🇸

[@TheAlmightyClipse]

Onya mate!! 👍

[@blakecaruana3173]

When it comes to 6 cylinders the ford is the king but when it comes to 8 cylinders holdens are number 1 against ford because they had to supercharge it to get 335 kw out of it and a non supercharged 6.0 v8 from gmh gets 260-270 kw non supercharged and if holden did the pathetic thing like ford and supercharged their xr8 just to get ahead then the holden would eat the ford alive

[@fredlachy]

+Blake Caruana Agree about Ford and the six and Holden with the 8. Also prior to VE Commodore lacked an IRS while the AU had it many years before. Also, GTS is supercharged and there's no denying it's a beast. My mate has a MY14 STi and couldn't keep with a MY14 GTS through tight hinterland roads.

[@rodneymcgiveron]

+Blake Caruana Typical Holden crap...6.0 litres versus 5.0 litres....you goose..Okay , the Ford is supercharged but the Holden is way bigger cc's....Argue with that.. "Australia's Own "..Not quite true anymore..First of all Commodore imported the Opel from Europe in the first place...then when the poor old 202's couldn't handle it they imported a Nissan engine , then the Buick 3.8 litre V6....and now the Chevrolet stuff... From the XA onwards Ford has developed our own Ford Falcon , not an American knock off...Developed a 6 cylinder 4.0 litre engine that Holden could only dream of and even the V8 has an Aussie touch ...unlike the all American Chevrolet import.which is still pretty good.though.. Sadly too many Aussies have deserted both Ford and Holden in favour of cheap and nasty Asian crap and by 2017 neither will exist for manufacture...Cheers

[@brendonburgess9721]

+Lachee Brun IRS was standard on Commodore from VT onwards. AU was optional IRS. BA finally got standard IRS, but cheaper, less sophisticated system.

[@brendonburgess9721]

Sorry, I meant that the control blade system on the BA was a cheaper, simpler and lighter irs system to build, when compared DIRECTLY to the AU. If you look at them side by side, the AU irs is more sophisticated(over BA), but way too heavy and intricate. Both are better than the semi-trailing arm Commodore irs, I whole heartedly agree with you.

[@TheWretchedWorld]

sorry got confused i've heard a few people say that the commodore's irs is superior to the falcons of that era and its just such an ignorant comment to make

[@turbodewd1]

I live in modest traffic Canberra and I get 10.5L/100km! Now considering the power on tap at all points in the rev range, thats fantacular!

[@Sober351]

Actually the zf's are now holding about 600hp in stock form now people are getting the zf tunes right. A stocker would destroy the zf if it was setup wrong. Nizpro have done a lot of research on this and are holding their cards close to there chest.

[@peteregrigg]

There must have been something wrong with the Falcon , I've got a 2011 FG XR 6 Turbo manual which absolutely eats 6 litre SS commodores. I went for a test drive in a brand new Craig Lowndes SS Commodore on Wed 4/2/15 at Melville Motors in Perth with the Indian salesman. I was disappointed , it was gutless compared to the Turbo, I only got to the end of the street then turned around and went back to the dealership. I was looking forward to giving this thing a good run down Burke Drive. It was slow.

[@coopsnz1]

It's funny the drivetrain in America they can get 300 kW out if ut

[@tinsajohn5467]

Ben Chesterman

[@joytech23]

+Ben Chesterman I think Australia have stricter emissions laws than US, allowing them to get away with more power. I've noticed a few cars make less power in Australia than they do in other countries.

[@Cykoid]

+Phillip Pirikahu the xr6 turbo wasn't allowed in the u.s because it didn't comply with their emission laws

[@joytech23]

Cykoid​ have any references? The turbo definitely does fit under the emissions table for every year it has been out if we are considering g CO2e/mi/km. I know the 5.4L didn't pass emissions requirements even though it originated in the US. Edit: little formula didn't paste properly on my phone

[@rogerseacombe7037]

All of a sudden a 'stock' SS is faster than an E series R8 LOL The Ford time is about right then of course much faster once tuned

[@TheHusky2001]

so there saying the falcon is. 01 quicker to 100kph and then it crossed the finish line traveling 1 kph quicker but both cars ran 13.1? something doesnt add up. i think this might be bullshit. Theres a walkinshaw 375 pack ss on youtube running 12.8 and you guys reckon you ran 13.1 in a 260 kw ss. I dont think so. vf ss 13.7 all day long at the friday caulda park drags.

[@sct911]

learn to drive the car right, last wednesday i took my stock 2010 xr6 turbo to WSID and got a pb of 12.8

[@gurey00]

Cool! Goes to show that conditions make a huge difference. I thought the Falcon was gonna smoke the Commo, but it seems the weight that Holden have dropped from the Commo have helped it keep up! Would have loved to see the winner averaged out over 5-6 runs down the strip! Nice job!

[@JaayDogg010]

I find it hard to believe the auto 6.0 SS could run a 13.1, that’s about what the VF2 6.2 gets down the strip with 44kw and 53nm more torque and wider tyres

[@steve1714]

My stock 6.0L did 13.0 with perfect traction and perfect conditions.

[@danieloconnell8960]

I reckon its a better gearbox, it's quick shifting and intelligent. I'd say they're safe up to 320rwkw and easily more if you don't take it to the drags.

[@TheWretchedWorld]

More gm propaganda. The figures for the XR6T are correct, however that SS is some sort of mule its making significantly more than 260kw.... My mates standard VE E3 GTS with 325kw barely gets close to the time that VF has set and that had over 65kw more power. Absolute Bullshit. Its common knowledge that an XR6T will take any VE to VF SS by about half a second down the quarter mile.

[@jinkazama3120]

Rolls eyes 13.1 is about right for both cars maybe slower for the ford. I know boys who have gotten 11.8-9 in stock xr6 turbos

[@TheWretchedWorld]

+Jin Kazama rubbish

[@jinkazama3120]

They make the same power the same Torque? Correction the Falcons 12s stock.

[@TheWretchedWorld]

+Jin Kazama high 12s I believe but Falcons have a Well documented overboost function. It was part of the pr when the fg first got lauched on 98 Ron and with the optimal conditions it pushed the torque output up to 586nm

[@AlsAllAussieAdventures]

ahahah you know "boys" that's have done 11.8 quarter in a STOCK xr6t?? please show me the video or evidence off this as id love to see... Until they lay off the devils lettuce mate.

[@RTadzB]

I like the fact that the SS is cheaper, better on fuel and has a much better interior. No doubt the XR6 has potential but in the end its just a over powered fleet car ( interior wise )

[@RandomDriverWA7697]

Hell I have never seen a dead heat drag race, but it makes for a good video I guess.

[@nottimus]

So let me get this straight, you guys had to find the most optimal conditions for the holden considering it got its arse handed to it. In your last test it was damp and since the Ford has more power and torque and how that is delivered the holden should have won. Pathetic

[@yusuf.alajnabi]

Why don't that put both v8s to the test and put the boredore supercharged 6 against the falcon turbo.

[@Lickedykuratz]

Great comparison! To all of the Ford fanboys screaming "shenanigans," the fact is, when the ambient temperature is warm, turbos don't make their optimum power. How do I know? Well, I live in Canberra, and I used to own an F6 Typhoon. In summer, my car felt pretty ordinary, and SS Commodores could hang with me, no sweat! BUT.......... On a "minus 8 degree C" morning, hardly anything could even threaten me, except other Ford turbos.Turbo engines suffer massively on even a slightly warm day. N/A engines, while still succeptible, don't suffer quite as bad. So this test is pretty accurate as far as I am concerned, but on a cold day, the turbo would beat the Holden.Ford fanboys, just accept it. I owned an F6 for years, and lived in Canberra, so I like to think that I should be able to give my opinion. And Holden fanboys, please accept that the XR6T "IS" a faster car, but only when the air is cool and dense. Simples!

[@billybodybuilder]

+Lickedykuratz Excellent, unbias & factual comment. I own both an BF F6 & VZ SS , what u just said is exactly what i've experienced in both ! and i'm Tassie. Yep F6 loves the winters here lol

[@themancuniancandidate2744]

Yep. I'm more of a Saab turbo nut, but my tuned 9-3 turbo is noticeably livelier in winter here in Perth (ie it torque steers like a bastard)

[@jrckelley]

i see he said both autos - I have tested the new ss with a v-box. in an auto it would never get 5.0 as it has the low output v8 (manual gets the extra). any one thats driven an auto holden V8 recently would know that there is a definite power drop with the auto and doesnt come close to the xr6t (go test drive one). Once again i say the boffins at holden have been playing with the ecu - not knocking the holden product but fair is fair

[@broke123]

me neither, my mate owns a thunder ute and gets chopped every time in my xr6t.

[@bohdiwillan9368]

Both cars are great could see my myself cruising in both oh BTW the xr6 turbo was designed And made in Australia it wasn't imported

[@ReaLzEdits]

Bohdi Willan Can say the exact same thing about the SV6 then. And stop being so "Aussie" proud. The FGX is a frankencar. A front from the American Mustang the rear end off a Jaguar XF. Oh but don't worry, they kept the same shitty interior that was made right here :D have a lovely day.

[@ronaldhowsley6725]

You moron Holden is Gm so 80% of the parts are of shittier cars like Chevrolet's and Vauxhall's so yeah it was imported.

[@liammccallion9837]

+ReaLzEdits also the falcon has an Australian made engine. Unlike the sv6

[@ReaLzEdits]

Liam McCallion Alloytec is made here just wasn't designed here.

[@liammccallion9837]

+ReaLzEdits what a shit heap of an engine

[@7s29]

Both great cars, I still can't fathom why people prefer bloated SUV's that look like crap and handle even worse.

[@666demonknight666]

I always wonder how can the ZF handle the power of a 9s car. But many people do think Ford's ZF is better though.

[@CAIDMASTEROFPYRO]

Mines going good with 410kw

[@holdenlsssz]

There is always some excuse with the ford fairys, when there beloved XR6 loses... They were paid by Holden, The car was tuned bla bla.

[@PeterRay85]

What part of its was a tie don't you understand? How did the ford lose? Holden drivers really aren't that bright

[@Josh92SA]

holdenls1ssz250 LOL Holden doesn't compare to Ford.

[@holdenlsssz]

PeterRay85 im talking in general dickhead. Ford fans always have an excuse.

[@holdenlsssz]

Josh Miller Your not wrong. Holden are a couple classes above.

[@Josh92SA]

holdenls1ssz250 Couple of classes above? How so? I've taken a look at the stats, Ford shits all over Holden.

[@mandoleene]

i raced a 307kw gts holden in my 270kw fg turbo and beat him

[@TwistedApex]

mandoleene mando I am a Ford fan, but I have to say that you won probably because of other factors

[@yusuf.alajnabi]

I raced my heavily modified 308 5sp manual vn bt1 a 911 porshe and I only just won by half a car length I reckon it was because the idiot didn't know how to drive. Then funny enough I raced my stock ef falcon futura against a commodore vr Calais v8 and I beat him lol ford falcon sixes are the best.

[@garethcurtis7545]

@@TwistedApex No, they beat them all day long. FG turbos are 310kw plus in the real world, over 270kw at the wheels, commode is less. Ford underate their cars significantly, Holden pump their numbers up.

[@TwistedApex]

@@garethcurtis7545 Lol why did I say that 5 months ago? Your totally right

[@garethcurtis7545]

@@TwistedApex I guess until you've owned or been around these cars it's hard to know

[@xcp747]

Launch without wheel spin¿¿ I heard alot of wheel spin

[@cmyfalcon]

Are you normal. A shit box Vs an XR6 Turbo. And you expect us to believe that a shitty holden kept up with the falcon. Yeah right. .......

[@victoriandogtrainingacadem5814]

1:03 in Commy makes less power and torque from a v8 I know what’s going to happen here.

[@WHOHATESTOWORK]

So how tf im at the lights and still crush ss commys everytime? Bullshit review

[@rabbit73au]

The commodore V8 cannot have more power wit the AFM than manual does not have AFM if you want to cam the V8 or give it more power you need to deactivate AFM but they are both great cars I would be happy with both if I could afford both

[@JohnWickFour]

Good vid, hmmmm no camara showing them both off the line at same time - conspiracy theory. They forget to mention FG's "overboost feature which engages temporarily when the throttle is fully depressed at speed, the peak power will remain constant however the torque will increase to provide the driver with 586 N·m" SS had no chance same for same, especially with more torque available through out rev range. Just saying.

[@jasonfields2793]

Rollin In It It is impossible to increase the torque without the power rising as power is torque multiplied by revs in basic terms

[@Kodiak212Dozer]

I know jack shit about drag racing but running the same time at the same speed doesn't seem to me like the Falcon "reeled in" the Commodore. They are both equal, you don't need to make excuses for either.

[@sircefiro]

Both awesome cars, I'd prob take the ss

[@kentaylor2950]

im holden all the way but the xr6 won that. wonder if the vf2 6.2l would do a bit better on this day. but its always been said, you want a 6 get the falcon, an 8 get the holden.

[@MrHC1983]

All these people talking crap about a standard SS. Always "the smaller one"... in this case the six cylinder. God... No offense but I've taken my heavily modded SS (closer to 600HP at engine) against a very LOUD tuned bigger turbo XR6T..... and wasn't impressed. Now before you rage, don't get me wrong as someone who does all my own engine work tuning and the rest. The XR6T was on the wish list for me to check out and mess around with as the engine seems pretty sound ... seems like a great package. But the truth is that engine..... was let down by putting it in a FORD. Much like the VE SS...... being stuck on a 6 speed auto as Holden left Australia. Both engines could of moved forward with 8 and 10 speed auto's and bettter diff's as a result of more gearing and we could of all enjoyed the life of them longer. The biggest take away in Australian motoring I think is the simplicity of the engine's and repairing them. I miss that.

[@MrJmcgaw87]

I hope you realize the xr8 ford was never stopped. They still make them. Hence why there is for perfect example. A supercharged 335 xr8 fg 2012 model. Do your research. Properly.

[@stealthslayer4406]

The Xr6 is assisted by a turbo Holden is naturally aspirated hows that fair.

[@thispranksux7374]

I agree, if the so called " Barra " engine is so good, take the turbo off it and try again ☺

[@thispranksux7374]

@@chabobox1 I know that the motor is a Barra by name 😊 my point is that if the Barra engine is such a strong and apparently powerful engine, then run the xr6 without the turbo installed on the Barra against the holden, as was mentioned in this section... a turbocharged engine against an n/a engine... is not really fair , maybe they should just turbo the holden so that both cars are running turbos...😊 I do not doubt that the Barra is a good engine for daily driving, just would like to see both cars either with or without turbos, not turbo vs n/a 😊

[@thispranksux7374]

@@chabobox1 I completely understand your reasoning and logical analysis of the two cars, I just get frustrated at the way some people carry on about the xr6 turbos against holdens, nice talking to you mate 😊

[@calebroy8957]

the fact that the holden has 2 extra litres of capacity and 2 extra cylinders should make up the difference. if you really want to test the forced induction ones, take the old vt supercharged v6s against a barra turbo of the same year, and the barra is only running like 7 pounds from factory which is nothing at all and comparing a 4L inline 6 NA against a NA 6L v8 ins't fair, with all the extra cylinders and capacity the ss should still be producing better numbers then the xr6T.

[@germanshepherdlover2613]

I think only one of those press release cars was stock.......and it has a snail on the exhaust side........why is this VF SS with 260 kw faster than the HSV's.....makes no sense........something very fishy! A friend of mine has a manual VE SS with work done to it (tune exhaust cai etc) and he said he won't race Ford Turbos because they usually win by quite a margin.

[@nhfalcon]

What a disgraceful comparo. Commadore said do NOT run anywhere near that stock. Xr and G6t will go under 13 all day tho....at the strip. Dousche said

[@oldfashionedwrx3574]

thing is with the drag strip is you get insane traction, on the street you don't get anything like it. same with a proper track you get insane lateral grip on turns. things like rally tarmac sprints, off road, streets made into temp tracks are really difference. both auto... no skill to even do this.. your just bragging about who has the faster car lol just put it in sports, launch and wait simple as that.

[@turko8869]

On a cold day the xr6 turbo would beat the 260 and 270kw motors holden produce. Boost beats cubes!!

[@davidgriggs3967]

Boost and a longer stroke beats cubes even if it's only a 4 litre inline 6. Torque wins race's not hp.

[@URN-A55]

Lol wow never knew ford fans are so sensitive lol.

[@shapy1188]

Better then being dead meat like holdens mate 😂😂

[@Muso-kr4wd]

Rubbish this does not make any sense, the only thing that makes sense is that the commodore was not stock but the ford Turbo was. Every write up I've seen in the magazines puts the VF SS or SSv at around 5.5 - 5.7 secs only the Ford T produces consistent 5.0 secs flat 0-100 or 13.1 secs 400m!

[@coopsnz1]

Ss is lighter now

[@Muso-kr4wd]

Still not as fast as a stock FG xr6t even if it's lighter, it would need more power approx 300 kw to catch the Ford Turbo, remember Ford under quote their turbo power figures most FG turbos are more like 300 kw's at the engine. This article is rubbish! The SSV Vf is half a second slower than this VF SS wtf? I'd still take the SS instead though because of the V8 sound and the modern designed interior as well as superior chassis. But I'd still be looking at FG turbo tail lights in a straight line race!

[@Smithy2222]

steven smith its the torque that makes the difference not the power.

[@Muso-kr4wd]

And the XR6 turbo have heaps of torque across the range. This is the only review I've seen where the ss was as fast as the xr6t, all others I've seen the SS is noticeably slower than the XRT.

[@GreendragonDMX]

the best part about this video is, this is Holdens new car to a out going model Falcon...FH Falcon is lighter and more fuel efficent then current FG is, we have a updated model to take the fight to...and as far as im.concerned its taken GM and Holden 11 years to catch the Turbo and put it on a equal footing (altho ROAD test 0-100 XR6T still tromps it) Ford next model willl blow the SS out of the water alltogether because if FPV does go we should see the XR6T with 310kw

[@CurtisLSA]

lol

[@doogledoesstuff207]

I'm loving how biased this video is.

[@DylanDiPowa]

My stock xr6 turbo smokes cammed v8s all day. Oh how I admire some Barra owners stupidity. We have all heard someone say this before

[@toddm3824]

It's not the motors' limits that are the problem - its the rest of the mechanics. Have a chat to your performance mech about all the poor fuckers who have modded to 280 plus rwkw who have blown stock diffs, oil pumps, tail shafts. Actually they probably don't tell you that bit unless you've more than $5k to spend.

[@lobsterwhisperer7932]

its the drivers.

[@ssv6.057]

comparing a 260kw na v8 against a 270kw turbo..makes me laugh..why not check out the 2014 supercharged gts vs supercharged fg 335..ford dosnt have a hope in hell when they both run chargers..comparing c a turbo to a na is like chalk and cheese

[@AH-ji4xk]

+ssv 6.0 its basically the same deal.. 400kw v 300kw... but sites refuse to post auto v auto soooo take it to the streets. goodluck finding two stock ones tho

[@maxwellatkinson4250]

+ssv 6.0 2014 supercharged gts got destroyed by the falcon gt watch the vid on wheels motorsport

[@jinkazama3120]

No. It doesn't. Many motor mags have covered these cars. Firstly the gts is a 6.2 litre. Then it makes 430 kW at the fly. Much more than the ford. Finally the lowest I've seen a stock gts go down the quarter is 12.1. From what I remember the xr8 sprint and the 6 we're all with the commodore in 12 second range

[@user-sn8wu6kw1p]

Yeah you are right mate. Oh hang on the FORD NATURALLY ASPIRATED MUSTANG GT 350 with a SMALLER ENGINE AND LESS POWER WILL CHOP THE BOOSTED VF GTS 😂😂😭😂😭😂😭oh no don't do it to them ford 😂😂😂😂😂

[@user-sn8wu6kw1p]

+ssv 6.0 ^^^^^^^^^^^^lmao

[@thispranksux7374]

Bloody amazing how all the ford lovers call this bias...😂😂😂 what's the matter.... can't admit that holden is not as bad as you people would have us believe.....

[@jrburger95]

Not hard to understand mate. Falcon has more power and torque than the SS, and has a quicker 0-60 time than the SS, so it makes no sense that they would tie, and even if they did truly tie it's still embarrassing for Holden since the SS has a V8 while the Ford has a I6.

[@thispranksux7374]

@@jrburger95 yes the Ford had a 6, but it is a turbo, seems that Ford likes to put turbos on everything... is that the only way Ford can get their cars to move

[@jrburger95]

@@thispranksux7374 So, who cares if they put a turbo on it when it makes more power than a LS engine?

[@thispranksux7374]

@@jrburger95 at the end of the day mate, Holden's are a better car, don't need a turbo to get them to move, I also heard that Ford engines make great boat anchors 😆

[@jrburger95]

@@thispranksux7374 Holdens are great cars since they support local businesses, like mechanics and tow truck companies, since you'll be needing them every day when you drive a Holden.

[@danieloconnell8960]

daniel3203 is absolutely correct. The LS series motors from GM are still really good motors but the smoothness and tuning potential of that Ford 4L I6 with the 6PH ZF auto is amazing! Basically with a simple tune your getting 300rwkw and with with a few other bits and pieces you'll have 400rwkw on tap. The reason the Ford sells worse is because of the tech and looks, it a bit limited and lets face it the Holden looks a hundred times better.

[@TkMinecraft9999]

Then when you add a bigger turbo to the xr6, you watch the Holden get flogged ;)

[@CurtisLSA]

then you add a turbo or a supercharger to the SS and bye bye xr6

[@tomdesoloc8287]

How funny that the xr6 turbo cant touch my acadia ltzv even its not on the sport mode😁

[@mitchellnelson466]

Put the meth pipe down mate, no one believes you

[@tomdesoloc8287]

@@mitchellnelson466 i dont need you to believe until you see it

[@TheAlmightyClipse]

Acadia's do have a bit of speed to them but I doubt it.. I'm pretty sure they have the Alloytec engine that's in the VZ-VE-VF

[@mitchellnelson466]

@@TheAlmightyClipse it’s got near 600kg on the XR, even an NA FG XT could outpace it with absolute ease.

[@tomdesoloc8287]

Yes is quietly related to vz,ve,vf engine but suit 9 speed auto to make it more powerful to support his weight .

[@gpet23]

Da skyline iz da best

[@sudz2522]

They need to talk tires

[@aaronwithell1986]

Holden all the way

[@aevan104]

Aaron Withell Holden cant make a decent 6 cylinder and they can't even try to make a decent v8. ignorance is bliss.

[@TwistedApex]

Angus Evans Holden engines are shit, but the make of the cars in recent times, proves to be decent

[@menatworklanddownunder3955]

Tech fan for made even shiter motors 2000 xr6 was faster then the xr8 so fuck off with Ye bs holden is the really leading company and brocky would say so and go learn somthing about cars

[@CurtisLSA]

@@aevan104 V6 commodore was never ment to be a performance engine. If you wanted performance or more power holden would always tell you to go buy the V8 version, the V6 commodore was always targeted for a a family car market since day dot Ford lovers need to understand that and stop thinking that the V6 commodore was produced to be a high HP/ performance engine . Good luck to the fords and their turbos..................

[@aevan104]

@Curtis LSA my point isn't that they're a performance engine, my point is, regardless of the v6's purpose it's a shit engine and that's coming from someone that owns and loves a 30 year old v6 commodore. Holden hasn't made a good engine since the 5L and even they're not great, they just sound good.

[@turbodewd1]

oops, I have the XR6 Turbo

[@dohceb01]

Haha sure. Stop making false advertising for Holden. Your giving Holden fans hope. They're going to think that they have a chance when they line up an fg xr6t at the lights. Thats just plain cruel. And when they get smashed, they're going to go back the the holden dealership to ask for their money back. Haha what a joke...

[@germanshepherdlover2613]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/h4XdZIWhndOon7s Here are the two same cars again and the Ford was quicker by a fair margin, I would have the VF SS myself but the Turbo Ford is quicker, especially with the over boost feature. something definitely wrong in this video!

[@schumifan78]

My vacuum cleaner sounds better than an inline 6, V8 manual all the way, sooooo much more character than a booooring inline 6 that can't make power without a turbo bolted to it.

[@falconxh4000]

nice one man. my stock 15 year old inline 6 falcon still produces more torque than a brand new commodore v6. go put a chev badge on ur common door and stick your head up ur arse

[@bradplahn]

falconxh4000 bro falcons are nothing but heaps of shit hahaha keeeeep on living in the past old man

[@falconxh4000]

I just put a chev badge on my vacuum cleaner and now it looks just like a commodore!

[@bradplahn]

Keep onnnn dreamin' driving around in your ratchet ass pieces of shit Fords hahaha

[@falconxh4000]

Holden fans write such educated comments

[@dohceb01]

When I get to line one up, and I smash it, ill let you know and then you can talk shit. Its platform is almost no different to the ve ss ( which I have NEVER lost a race to yet....I haven't even lost to an R8 yet), yet its faster than the ve gts? Wake up! Its all great publicity, but in the real world its going to get owned.

[@pete9124]

And a great way for the 2 Big Aussies to go out RIP

[@dougcollingridge2067]

Gotta turbo that SS

[@zoelizeslifeasbestfriendsv7689]

Ford FTW🤟🏻

[@mcraejustin]

Is that like a VL turbo? LMAO.

[@georgeblair6960]

the F6 beats the Holden easily

[@cantastra]

Lol a few days ago I’m driving to work and this clown in an R8 takes the bait I offered, pull up to next set of lights it was a very Thor: Ragnorok moment when, me, in my stock XT got beaten out by the R8, only to see an F6 well ahead of him, “I can’t beat you, but he can”. Barra the world!

[@menatworklanddownunder3955]

Are you sure your not lieing the r8 is 100 times faster are you sure it wasn’t turbocharged are it was a xr8 so stop talking bs

[@thispranksux7374]

@@menatworklanddownunder3955 HSV R8 ya goose... not xr8

[@paulee304]

ill still take the xr6 turbo $500 buck flash tuner and ya get and extra 50 rwkw did it to both my ba and bf turbos was awesome never had any problems for years whats it cost ya to get an extra 50rwkw in a vf ss bet its a few grand at least... and probably still makes its max torque at 4850rpm or something when the race is over

[@Drack19919]

No the SS engines come out restricted you actually get more power from a tune on a SS than a XR6T, unless you tune the XR6T on E85 and with the tune it also removes the restrictions.

[@DaShizNit80]

Drack19919 i got a simply tune on my g6et, i was pull 310RWKW, another 2.5k of upgrades 410RWKH. and that just upgrade to the top end. Lets see you do that with an SS for the same price!!

[@Drack19919]

Claudio Inacio A tune and 2.5k of upgrades will give you 410RWKW??? haha pass me whatever you're smoking buddy, show me a standard G6ET with a tune and 2.5k worth of upgrades ONLY making 410RWKW, don't forget you are comparing a N/A engine to a force induction engine as well. just lol

[@DaShizNit80]

You seem to be the type that knows all the specs on paper, but has no idea what to do when you pop the hood! Sorry an extra $500 for a Dyno tune . Cooler, Injectors, 3" Cat, Battery conversation kit. And you've got your ford over 380RwKw. Ask any performance garage!! Yeah I'm comparing it to a N/A car, yet it does stop Holden lovers from trying to put Ford down. At least we can say that the XR6 & G6ET as 100% Aussie and not Chevy!!

[@2JZGTE30BMW]

Claudio Inacio Battery conversation kit? So you can talk to your battery?? lol

[@zurasho043kranky7]

holden uses nothing but V8's, that's why they're a heavy piece of shit, plus they have an ugly look to it! the front end is literally like "hEy KidS wANnA BuY sOmE dRuGS?"

[@andgate2000]

Hey ...lets put a brand new car against a 5 year old car.mmmmmmmm

[@xclsv1350]

The Ford should of smoked the Holden 💯 Ford Gang

[@potaka79]

Um.....Trap Speed, Falcon wins....