Carb vs EFI on an L Series Datsun 1600 - Dyno Test

Alan, Woody and Tim get their Datsun 1600 onto the dyno for some experimentation. How will changing from a points ignition system to coil packs effect power? What about changing to EFI using some motorbike throttle bodies? Today we find out on The Skid Factory.
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[@dylanngatai4667]

Is it just me or has Turbo Yoda become a much better presenter this year?

[@Millsie18]

Dylan Ngatai yeah bro, thinking the same clearly has picked up a bagga tricks

[@lankyfella]

Dylan Ngatai more comfortable in front of the camera, and he knows what he's talking about

[@coolkidscarclub]

He's perfected the art of shit talking

[@ninjaAAIN]

Lord JeSith all mechanics have haha

[@LittleMikeStarCraft]

100% percent he has; not only that-- his personality is coming through even on the small appearances he has on the main MCM channel. He is a natural.

[@mightycarmods]

Old Nissan and Datsun everything!

[@sandylancaster5901]

sweet car

[@vanderspaced]

Seriously though, every time someone made a Datsun=Nissan joke I was offended on behalf of the 510 1600 and S30. It's nice to see reparations have finally been made 😏

[@bobbobson7882]

Urethra lights FTW

[@a_Fax_Machine]

MCM and Skid Factory episodes on the same day! Gotta love it

[@MultiSPIZ]

Mighty Car Mods Sweet car but the soul is gone now ! Nothing sounds better than Weber carbs If you need efi then make a swap instead of destroying that wonderfull engine

[@wmahomet]

And just when I thought this show couldn't get any better......

[@ster9765]

Couldn't agree more.

[@sebsshenanigans]

I'm still amazed at how they haven't brought this channel past the 1M subs mark yet. This is some proper use-able info in here

[@nicksnicknet]

Carefully places carbs in bin knowing well and true they will be used again somewhere :)

[@simeonscott4224]

not to mention webers cost a pretty penny!

[@lewishuysmans7921]

>throwing granddad in the bin, and going EFI *lightly places granddad in the bin*

[@ChristmasCrustacean1]

webers aren't cheap, someone will buy those

[@alanbutler2579]

Grandad is expensive.

[@carcontrolcommitment]

When is bin collection day at this place?.... asking for a friend....

[@tazziels180series3]

Please adjust the value clearances!

[@TheFridge]

You know when the timing chain needs replacing, because it starts munching on the rocker cover ;)

[@PCSbball]

Boys, this is absolutely the peak of what all of the MCM channels have put out. I’ve been waiting years to see a fully comprehensive video showing what you actually need to go EFI and have ACTUAL LOAD BEARING STEADY STATE SPARK ADVANCE TUNING. My life is much better now. Cheers to you guys!

[@moxyface267]

Loving ya work Woody. Nice smooth scenes and narration! Alan your on a new level on the camera. Had me in stitches

[@andrewmitchell2522]

Thank you Yoda, Tim and Woody. One of my first cars was a 510. I loved it and this bought back many memories. Funny thing is, the 510 only had about 100hp and my current has 400hp yet the 510 was so much fun.

[@dil6969]

The skid factory is great. It's like a different flavor of MCM ice cream :)

[@rolandmatters1619]

My first (legal) car was a Datsun 1600. I fitted some KYB gas shocks and a Pioneer radio/cassette player and drove from Melbourne to Queensland a week after I got my licence in 1977. Fond memories!

[@zennithclark8606]

What a cool setup, the combined years of experience made it look easy.

[@bboydrummer1]

I wanted a Datsun 1600 when I was younger, so I thoroughly enjoyed this video! Also, seeing the work done and the results of the EFI modification was awesome!

[@frisbyfreak420]

Watching those injectors with the throttle plates open is pretty sweet

[@Ginga7r]

Old school and New school merging together Love it Lads. My old Ford Cortina had the Spark-rite electronic ignition conversion in it,it made some difference with start up and running of the car but the main advantage was you didn't have to change points and condensers all the time.

[@timsminigarage]

Having a “Siamese port” engine means it shares one port for two cylinders, not that the intake and exhaust are on the same side of the head.

[@MiG21aholic]

Lol yup could have siamese ports on a crossflow head

[@scootbmx01]

glad i'm not the only one who picked up on this.

[@hotwire96]

Is that sorta the same setup as what the original engine (a series I think?) in Moog's mini had or is that different again?

[@scootbmx01]

hotwire96, similar manifold type but different engine... It was a siamese port too

[@hotwire96]

scootbmx01, yeah cheers, thought I remembered them saying when they were doing that build that it shared an intake and exhaust port

[@evilspoons]

So nice to hear the Australians pronounce "Datsun" correctly instead of "Dotsun" like the Americans. Signed, A Canadian.

[@stateofdisarray679]

Al has the greatest smile. The joy on his face is just genuine.

[@ryannelson2211]

Some of the best hot rodding I've ever seen. V8 parts, motorbike parts, custom parts. Sweetness

[@tloh141]

the fact ur making a video about L series engines and the efi vs carb debate for them in 2018 makes me love this channel and stay subbed. never forget good engines like these.

[@paulsmith9341]

Ahhh, memories. My first ride was a Datsun 521 pickup. I drove that thing through 3 engines, 2 transmissions and 2 rear ends. My second ride was a 69 510 with factory racing suspension, high numerical position rear diff, Momo seats and steering wheel, SW Gauges, scca roll bar. There motor was a L16 with a L18 head and a single Weber 45. It was so fun to drive!

[@lamboferruccio]

Yet another winner guys, all done in stages to document improvements I love it!

[@hpa101]

Great video guys! A pleasure to watch =) - Taz.

[@nigelnigelakiraakira]

My grandpa had a 510 taxi down in Mexico. I remember him thrashing on that thing through the mountains. Wish I could find one now.

[@LXROL]

Yoda for PM

[@mrcaboosevg6089]

If Australia gets any more liberal I'll be surprised if anyone is allowed petrol engines by 2020

[@mad87645]

Can't possibly be shittier than Turnbull

[@satansleftnut25]

I’d vote for him for PM of Canada!

[@paulsmith9341]

My first car was a 72 521pickup and my second was a 69 510 with a bunch of factory goodies. Both were so much fun!

[@gp-vl3gk]

i couldn't stop giggling at the mischievous turbo yoda's considerate and delicate handling of all the old parts that they replaced, thanks for another great episode guys

[@destructo870]

Glane haha i think it was intentionally shown just because we are used to marty or moog throwing it across the room. But yeah just watching this guy is funny af but in such a respectable way.

[@TheCuttz1984]

My first car was a dato 1600 I built it for 2 years during my apprenticeship then it was a write off 1 month after getting my license. There such cool cars and wish I had mine still. Such a great episode guys good shit

[@daos3300]

now that was a gem of an episode. would love to see some supercharger work at some point.

[@tomwaters5115]

I love Alan being the host, I thought he was a really shy bloke but he can easily lead the show!

[@prometheus241]

I've always been really curious to see exactly this scenario. Legendary!

[@Bigcountry1099]

Truly one of the best cars shows on the web. Keep it up.

[@pgs8597]

Brings back some happy memories, good to see the old girl kicking on

[@sirmonkeyboy1789]

Mighty Datto! Haven't seen a 1600 in yonks, awesome!

[@Hoggdoc1946]

Very cool update. I had a 69' 510 2 door from new, was a great little car...

[@austinlawrence945]

I’m a current 2 door 510 owner restoration project . I love seeing them done !

[@noname-sd5dt]

Takes me back to my early 20 of skinned knuckles, text books, glovebox full of jets and chokes, late night Sunday tinkering and arse dyno testing on the way to work Monday. I loved my twin dcoe 45mm webers on cammed l20 s2 910 electronic ignition. nostalgia!

[@jarrodbarker537]

Can't get enough of these videos guys, keep them coming. 👍

[@IdealContracting]

Wow, grew up with my dad tuning his 510's. That's awesome you're a fan al! I love you that much more now

[@K4rt80y]

Dinner and Skid Factory. The perfect date.

[@white0devil0]

I am a simple man. I see Datsun I press thumbs up.

[@clanpsi]

This is awesome! Reminds me of Engine Masters before they completely sold out to Motor Trend.

[@crutdawg]

My first car was a Datsun: 4door, 1600/510. 2 liter, .060 over bore. Schnider cam. Miss it terribly.

[@76S30]

I have that CAS installed on my Z and Tim was of great help in helping me interface it to the Haltech. Tim is a stand up guy! Thank you for your help TIm =)

[@STAG162]

Awww, the feels... used to have an old Scorpion with exactly this type of setup on it -- N/A with twin 42mm Webers and Unifilter socks, went like a scalded cat with a few engine mods and sounded beastly.

[@mightycarmods]

how good are scorpions!

[@STAG162]

the best.. mine was a rare 84 GL and I so regret selling it. Should have sold it off to the folks, they'd have kept it beastly and dad loved it, said it brought out the 'boy-racer' in him. =)

[@BJBFOREST]

I owned a '68 1600 in the late 70s. Loved it. You can simply bolt other Nissan stuff into them EG 260Z 5 speed, 240K diff, 240K front struts and brakes, 240K buckets..Sunny steering wheel. 180B engine. You could bolt on a self learning EFI to one of these...easy peasy

[@iMann_iFail]

It’s nice to see Turbo Yoga become more comfortable and fluid in front of the camera. It’s been nice seeing this series become more mature.

[@jasonbailz9754]

Turbo sigma mags looking great all polished up.

[@davidvincent2838]

Good to see the 'Hoff' in person.

[@TheRangaKing1991]

my dad's bluebird ran for 1 000 000 k's , sold it for 500 haha still worked and ran really well just got to old to keep, lots of fond family memorys of the good hot aussie road trips and fights with my brother haha

[@shaneduncan2996]

i don't know why this just popped into my suggested videos but what a great episode with good data.

[@xanderlander8989]

166k views in 3 weeks is shamefull for content of this quality. This show is legit! I think you guys have really failed to market this. I mean every eposide of MCM should promote this series.

[@cwj138]

That bonnet strut is next level.

[@MerlinOpeth]

Eventually gonna need a kit for my 910 bluebird wagon.

[@punkbloater]

What a pristine little nugget! I would have loved a little spin around the block after, but i guess you can’t get everything... Great show guys, thanks.

[@GMJ37]

Great to see you going from strength to strength Tim! Still love the yellow 2 door ;) as soon as I saw the plates I realized Mick will never shake the P510 bug. Thanks so much for getting some old school Datto magic on the channel Al & Woody. Keep up the great work!!!

[@RyanKiefer]

So awesome that you were able to get Nick Frost to tune the car!

[@beajayparker247]

Old school metal with modern management. Wonderful stuff

[@psyolent.]

really good video guys, i dont know how many discussions there have been about carb vs throttle ; ok you didn't gain a bajillion KW at the rears but what you will gain is driveability.

[@dattepo7534]

I just fell in love with this guy even more

[@sammegson2902]

I own a GU TD42, 2x R32s and a Datto 1600. How funny. Love the videos guys, keep it up.

[@moxyface267]

Oh yeah! Skid factory to all new heights. This will have as many views as "How to turbo" with in a year.

[@vagelisda]

for some reason this was a very satisfactory episode . i didn't even know that i like so much to see efi installed in an old car . this was such an efficient and clean mod. this is my car fetish now i guess.

[@JoeJoeMoto]

So cool. Loved the process. Loved the funny bits with the laptop and Al breaking the strut top cover.... LOL

[@dielauwen]

It's sad to see grandad go. But Time goes on. I did like the Datsun of that era. I only rode in them at that time. The computerized ignition is especially interesting.

[@JPSkriP]

Awesome, my first car was a 1980 B210 coupe, 2nd was a 81 B210 Hatch and 3rd 71 510 with L20B from a BBird, but was pretty beat up, fixed it and later swapped to a SR20DE (never went DET). Loved em all. Looking to do another 510 in future, and doing another SR20, but DET or a VG30DE. Awesome episode

[@shawnerz98]

In the early 80's, i had a '72 Datsun 510 with the distributor and points. California emission laws made the original carb/distributor/points system run like crap. It would be interesting to see what gains an EFI system would have made to a stock engine. Thanks for the video! :)

[@minimountainco]

Tim is a genius!

[@Pablo668]

Those old Dattos were the shit in Rallying for quite a while. I'm betting those carbies weren't really tossed out, someone will want them badly. In my humble opinion the changes on this were less about power and more about a more modern, reliable and tune-able engine management system and possibly more drive-able too. It probably gives more scope to more mods down the track too. Nice work all round really.

[@timheibloem6421]

This guy gets it.

[@mrdatsun211]

Al just went up even more in my book. Not that he needed too!! Excellent work lads this is exactly what I love to see.

[@chrispeachey1]

just FYI, carbon fiber is conductive. so i hope there is some insulation on those terminals

[@MatheusFelipe-xn5zo]

DUDE!!! Watching you throw away those carbs almost made my cry... Wanted those so bad!!! Here in Brazil they're so expensive, I've been daydreaming about dual webers for my bug for years now...

[@Drew_peaballs_128]

That’s a nice Datsun! Well done fellas!

[@numinous4789]

Those Datsun 510s are awesome little cars - lightweight, front engine/rear wheel drive, and can therefore be made into a beast of a sleeper. Imagine an RB26 or an LS in one of these! I'll also seen some drag-prepped ones that were stunningly quick.

[@paulmiranda3281]

Very cool to see a lil p510 on here congrats on the end result. Something I wish I had done to the many datto's i've had. Great work keep it up!

[@FairladyS130]

You need to publicise that crank angle sensor Tim, sounds like a good thing.

[@holmer9413]

My 1st car was a burnt orange 4 door Datsun 510. You have a nice ride there. I'm jealous.

[@torbenalstrup3902]

Well tuned EFI is always good and can improve driveability. But if you had taken those stupid air cleaner socks off of the carbs before the dyno runs you would have seen a cleaner AFR pattern along with a 2-4 hp increse, maybe even 5 hp. Those things are so gross when it comes to corrupting the intake air. So IMHO the 10 hp increase going from carbs to EFI is slightly inflated. Other than that it is a nice and clean installation. I like the way you did the CNP coils

[@kefinkatt]

This is like mighty car mods from 6 years ago. Love the vids mates

[@deantubeful]

Love this kinda stuff. B.T.W my first car was a third share in a Datsun 120Y back in the early 80s and the thing just kept going. Also had an 1.8 bluebird for a short time. Great show. Thanks guys

[@sandylancaster5901]

im so glad you two are making these video. that car is sweet. you two are very lucky to work on such amazing car. come on boys crank it you need to beet the other two people that's on this channel. i give it a year. good luck and i cant wait to see what comes next.

[@lomoDaniel]

I love this car. Always wanted one growing up.

[@symontabbenor2186]

Without doubt the best video I have seen and enjoyed on KZbin this year. Answered lots of my questions abou EFi on old Dattos. keep up the great work .

[@NissanNut74]

Awesome! Love the Datsun upgrades, I hated my CA legal weber on my L18 620. Did like the power though. Dont miss changing points!

[@niallobrien4736]

Great video guys on the progress from points and carb to full efi. Interesting to see. Maybe as a re-cap just a quick explanation of the power curves and how it improved with each different mod and how this translates to better road driving. As said, peak stats kw and nm are just one part of the story.

[@danieltjr5649]

She is a Gem i was wondering when Dato was gonna be part of the show awesome little beast perfect and Al never fails being himself :), keep up the great work guys!!!

[@garageadz]

I would have loved to see a dyno overlay from all of the different changes. I thought for sure that would have been shown!

[@kevinshales1380]

This was epic, great idea with the comparison, awesome little Datsun what more could you ask for, more of this please

[@Danger_mouse]

Thanks guys 👌 Love a Datto, my first car and rallied them, but even better with efi! Nice to see the turbo Sigma wheels on there as well. Can't wait for all the hate chucking the Webers and dissy in the bin 🤣

[@killahkay2112]

Why do I always like the Expensive or stupidly hard to find stuff ???

[@benupde1979]

Love it! Rekindles my desire to locate my first car again, a Datsun 620 pickup!!

[@revans4257]

Yeeeessss! I have been asking for this for a long time on Engine Masters but this is way more applicable to the engines I like anyway! Go Datsuns! Thank you smoking tire!

[@adventurepaul]

Great Vid Guys. Love the Datto, I had one back in the day too. What I would love to see at the end is a basic cost of what you did. I realize shop hr rates and Al's labor probably cant be added for the most part but a basic shopping list for the add on bits , like Haltec, coils, tune etc

[@notso100]

Optimised DCOE will make exactly the same peak power (or power at any point, but not over the range) as ITBs, I think those UniFilters were killing it, I lost 15kW in back to back runs with my old Mazda KL V6 ITBs when I put them on, kills the air speed at the trumpet rim

[@skaltura]

Yea those Uni filters are absolute terror for air flow, kills quite efficiently. Absolute garbage.

[@waimser]

@@skaltura I remember the difference it made when I found the trumpets that fit with the SU set i had. Was hard not to wheel spin for the first day or so, and had me grinning from ear to ear. I imagine individual filters doing the opposite or worse like you say.

[@killahkay2112]

are there better options ?

[@alexs5969]

Thats so cool i live 10 minutes from this shop, ive probably even driven past while you were there

[@kovacspis]

This channel/show keeps getting better and better, Allen is getting more and more comfortable in front of the camera! Presenter material, haha. :D

[@linkstarbass]

Another awesome vid!!!!! Plus props to Cleveland exhaust from a customer from back in the day.

[@dueceproductions]

Skid Factory for the win. Great video gentlemen

[@andrewlewis8500]

my favourite car man allways wanted one the BRE one sounds awesome

[@hazza196]

I hope Al and Woody get paid for making these videos they are brilliant!

[@alanbutler2579]

Go to the MCM shop and buy a T shirt or Lemon Squash cooler and we will get paid.

[@warriormonx]

Love how clean the interior has been done. Not like most of your builds! 🤣 loved it boys. That Datto rocks

[@jamsblast]

one of my favorite cars EVER!!! Alan,as always mate thanks!!!