Shapeoko Pro versus Shapeoko 4 -

Having redefined the Shapeoko lineup, Carbide 3D now offers you a choice between two outstanding machines. Which one is best suited to your wants or needs? The Makers Garage with Kevin and Winston detail the similarities and differences in the two machines.
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[@Model_Student]

Wow, Kevin is an unbelievably good host. How he remembers the overall agenda and individual talking points is crazy.

[@cerberus333dog]

Glad to see Winston as a partner in the Shapeoko group. He is a valued voice in the cnc community.

[@alberto15x]

Winstoy, i remember when you made a video about threaded inserts in the top (shapeoko 2 cnc kit video) lol i also did it the same way 😄

[@iwannaratrod]

Same for my SO3. My second revision had them in from the bottom as do my SOPro. :D

[@iwannaratrod]

Having both myself, I agree. With my Pro I'm more diligent on making sure my linear rails are clean and lubricated with way lube after every use. But I just ran some aluminum plate on it and the Pro ate it for dinner even thought I wasn't running optimally with a mist nor single flute. My SO4.....I just kinda run harder than I did my my SO3, but not as hard as my Pro, then just shut it off and walk away for the night. :)

[@ThomasBFishing]

What table are they set on? I like that set up

[@nickjm007]

Great video. Very helpful. You folks are really stepping up your content to match the quality of your products. Keep up the great work!

[@rockylewis118]

Where can I get that table to hold the Shapeoko 4xxl

[@woogaloo]

Great comparisons and SWEET SHIRTS! I really wish I had opted for the S3 XL rather than the XXL that I currently have. I don't use the extra capacity and could really use the space in my shop. Hindsight I guess...! You are correct in saying "be honest with yourself" because I knew I probably wouldn't have needed the extra size especially with my first machine.

[@SlonUtubes]

I love the tables they are on. Who makes them?

[@carbide3d]

All of the extrusions are custom-made for us and then machined in-house.

[@colinfein4331]

@@carbide3d What about the tables they're sitting on?

[@SlonUtubes]

@@colinfein4331 Yes that is what I was asking! I have the pro already The Extrusion table is nice

[@olavodias]

I believe this is the one: www.homedepot.com/p/Seville-Classics-Ultragraphite-Wood-Top-Workbench-on-Wheels-WEB484/303068669

[@PrestigeChiro]

hi. i had a question. so i have the 3xl. cant seem to get anything to work without losing steps. ive heard everything from squarness to belt tension etc. To be honest, im going to post and sell mine tonight but i wanted to know how the 4,4 pro and 5 address issues that come from belt tension, squareness and anything else that will cause issues. does the 5 even use belts? how ready to go are the 4 pro or 5 compared to others when it comes to ease of squaring and tramming issues and belt tension issues?

[@carbide3d]

You’ll find that the advances made across the resulting machines have vastly improved the user experience. Reach out to [e-mail] Our team is happy to answer all your questions regarding our current line of machines. Also find info here on Shapeoko 5, our flagship machine: shop.carbide3d.com/products/shapeoko5?variant=40249287671869

[@funman11895]

Any side-by-side comparisons of machining aluminum? I’m particularly curious about surface finish from higher rigidity in the Pro

[@vinceramirez4463]

Surface finish is night and day in consistency with the linear rails on the Pro

[@zimotech]

I was thinking about buying a shapeoko pro and I love inlays very much but I can't seem to find any example projects anywhere, are inlays possible with shapeoko or is it just to hard?

[@Penultimaisla]

You are mentioning the Shapeoko 3 but the title says 4. Which of then are you talking about?

[@carbide3d]

This is only about the 4 and 4 Pro. We have since introduced the 5 as well.

[@williamwhitworth5483]

The more important question is: where do I get those shirts?!?

[@b3forgeandbladeworksjarred675]

What is the table that you're displaying these on? I'm looking for an appropriate work bench for when I order mine.

[@carbide3d]

This video has all the info and some options. Carbide 3D - Table Talk - Where to put your CNC kzbin.info/www/bejne/rKW0YZqfjd-al5I

[@christopherinserra3825]

What table is being used to display both CNC's. Looking for something just like that for my set up.

[@carbide3d]

Seville Classics tables from Amazon. They were about $200 each, and they're great.

[@My-ASMR-Life]

I want the Pro but I cannot afford the price. 😞 But it sounds like the Shapeoko 4 is about the same?

[@carbide3d]

They are both very capable machines. What material will you primarily be cutting?

[@My-ASMR-Life]

@@carbide3d I would like to eventually cut more than wood. But wood is what I will first be cutting. I ended up buying the Shapeoko 4 XXL. Is there a way to get files for things I want to make all ready to go? Just upload the file and hit start and it will do it? I really need to get some files that I can sell the product. Thank you for your help. I really appreciate it!

[@jim6402]

If I’m looking at your 4 pro do the belts stretch and if so do you cover them if they need to be replaced Also is there a time limit on the software or do I own it when I purchase every year

[@carbide3d]

If they fail under warranty, we'll replace them. They are consumable on a long enough timeline, but they're cheap and easy to replace.

[@a.j.montie1083]

Definitely going back and forth between brands for my company. Would love to demo and video an honest review. US. based cabinet maker / furnisher.

[@carbide3d]

AJ. Check out our new machine: Shapeoko 5 Pro. It’s the best in class machine and package. The 4x4 might be right for a cabinet builder. Also go to My.Carbide3D.com We are the best CNC partner in the business. And I suggest you vet that remark by checking out our community, the Unofficial Shapeoko Facebook Groups and other consumer directed sites. There you’ll find real customer experiences unfiltered from us. “Who” the company is matters for your CNC success. We believe in who we are as a company.

[@KPhil2713]

I'll add yet another request for info on the tables these are resting on 😆 We all want to know where to get those tables to put our CNCs on!!!

[@olavodias]

I believe this is the table: www.homedepot.com/p/Seville-Classics-Ultragraphite-Wood-Top-Workbench-on-Wheels-WEB484/303068669

[@KPhil2713]

@@olavodias nice find! I guess they stacked them back to back.

[@olavodias]

@@KPhil2713 yes, I saw another video (first look at the shapeoko pro), and at 2:38 it’s pretty clear they are using two tables. I got the XL, looking forward to start using it 😬

[@carbide3d]

Table Talk: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rKW0YZqfjd-al5I

[@codefeenix]

No link in description to your website? :(

[@jordanlee4279]

can either machine create 3d products? what file type does this machine use?

[@DADT12]

Very cool comparison!! Thanks for the video. Wish I would have waited a little to get either one of these instead of the 3 but then I would have had a hard time deciding which one to get. I do have a question for you, what table are you using for both machines??

[@carbide3d]

Hey Juan. The tables are here. Each machine is on two of them placed back to back. I really like these tables for their build quality. - Kevin. www.amazon.com/Seville-Classics-UltraGraphite-Workbench-Organizer/dp/B074WL437T/ref=sr_1_5?dchild=1&keywords=seville+bench&qid=1620393318&sr=8-5

[@GregCormier]

@@carbide3d Slick desks. They are 48" wide, the SO is 50" wide. Any concerns here? Official support answer is not recommended.. I want the Winston answer.

[@adrianuselvers5284]

Can you put the new belts with the wider wheels on the “old” XXL?

[@carbide3d]

Adrianus, both of these machines are new architecture and not backwards compatible with the Shapeoko 3. Both launch videos for the Pro and Shapeoko 4 are linked on the end of this video. Click one of those cards for more info.

[@anotheryoutuber_]

where there is a want, capitalists or makers wont delay...

[@nickr5658]

I’m sure there is a way. The shapeoko 3 works great. There are ball screw upgrade kits out there for the shapeoko. I’m not sure why they used belts? Maybe for the dust?

[@ClintonCaraway-CNC]

@@anotheryoutuber_ that's absolutely true. When the Pro and Nomad were announced in September 2020 the first thing that was said is the Shapeoko 3 isn't going anywhere. Fast forward a little over a year and they are phasing it out Fast!!

[@lucasbraithwaite6852]

Odd question: Carbide 3D, where did you get this table in the video ? I just bought the 4 XXL and it looks to be exactly what I need!

[@carbide3d]

Lucas, we have a whole video on tables. These are included in the rundown. kzbin.info/www/bejne/rKW0YZqfjd-al5I

[@c21delta94]

If I buy the Shapeoko4 can it be upgraded later to the pro version?

[@carbide3d]

Right now, we don't have any plans for an upgrade from SO4 to SO Pro. The costs end up being really high.

[@eyeofamon]

Why 33 inches, though. That's just a weird dimension. The natural size would be to accommodate a 2' x 4' sheet of plywood like is common from the home centers.

[@davidsalvagni3462]

What size are the machines here?

[@carbide3d]

XXL of both machines.

[@scottkintgen7797]

What is the price of the pro. And where do I fine one

[@radhikaravi6549]

Placing titles of these models on the screen and during closeups would help

[@Mir_Man22]

Doesn´t make the use of belt for movement of axes Shapeoko less precise in positioning the tool?

[@deepnineforty5646]

So this machine used to come with the router and now it does not? Plus its 100 dollars more.

[@carbide3d]

Other than temporary promotions, we have never included routers with the machines. We did decide to include the BItSetter with every Shapeoko 4 and that increased the price. (This is the only price increase we've done, even though costs have skyrocketed over the past few years)

[@bryanharness1122]

Struggling to decide on a pro from you guys or the onefinity. Being new to the game it's a tough decision 😪

[@carbide3d]

If you look at the total of what’s offered, it shouldn’t even be a question.

[@carbide3d]

My.Carbide3D.Com

[@bryanharness1122]

@@carbide3d like what for example? I'm a total newbie to cnc. I run a metal shop with manual mills. So I get rigidity is key and looking at machines the ball screw of competitor stands out. The linear rails on yours looks good also on pro but the belts i dont care for. I'm really struggling to see the difference that matters I guess. I like yours has the waste table included. And I like the competitors easy tear down. I want a good product to produce good results for all my followers and customers. Seems your competitors are taking all the influencers and providing them these machines and their taking them for some reason. When Myers switched over I was shocked so I wanted to just ask and see what your all take on it. I'm sure either will work for me but I don't want to regret this purchase....like anyone I'm sure. I need to go visit someone with one of your machines.

[@bryanharness1122]

@@carbide3d btw @samcraft is a awesome guy he also said to go with you all so I am leaning that direction now. He pointed out the integrated level bed which I hadn't thought about. He deserves 👏 from me. 😄. Anyways hopefully I'll have one soon. Thanks for the response @carbide3d

[@jnick67a]

Any idea when the bit setter will be available for the Shapeoko 4?

[@carbide3d]

The BitSetter for Shapeoko 4 should be available in the next week.

[@ClintonCaraway-CNC]

I love the Shapeoko Pro. I have really enjoyed it.....so far it has exceeded all my expectations!! The HDZ/ spindle upgrades are a massive improvement. The HDZ should be standard on the Pro and option for the 4.

[@krtwood]

The Pro should get the HDZ stock for more differentiation.

[@wesleyallen5312]

Where do you buy those tables?

[@carbide3d]

They are from Amazon. Here’s more info. The link for the Seville Tables is in the description. kzbin.info/www/bejne/rKW0YZqfjd-al5I

[@firstcome5740]

At 1:46 where could I get that plastic at?

[@carbide3d]

We have a variety of plastics and other materials available direct. That is a block of HDPE. shop.carbide3d.com/collections/materials/plastic

[@firstcome5740]

@@carbide3d I just looked and I was wondering do you have anything that is around 8x8 1.5 inch thick for the HDPE Sheet

[@firstcome5740]

What software do I use for it?

[@carbide3d]

Either machine comes with Carbide Create for CAD and Carbide Motion for CAM. You are set to go with the software package included with the machines.

[@cheesefries7436]

More videos from the guy on the right please!

[@carbide3d]

Machining Textured Knife Scales from Richlite kzbin.info/www/bejne/lXelgKCcid-Xg7c

[@chrisj9008]

So xcarve with all the upgrades vs the pro...

[@bentebrunsvelt319]

I Like machine Why not ofline work with usb drive

[@langrock74]

You can hook up a Raspberry Pi and call that 'offline'. CNCjs is a solid option to control these kinds of CNCs.

[@SpwnDragn]

lol I feel jipped, they didn't mention the s4 was coming out when I ordered my xxl. 3 weeks after getting my xxl it comes out.. :( oh well still love the CS from this company.

[@nickr5658]

I doubt these upgrades will make much of a difference for most people. It’s a starter cnc. If you stick with it you will want to upgrade to a much higher end cnc at some point, not a shapeoko.

[@SpwnDragn]

@@nickr5658 very true. :)

[@zgemboBA]

No chance to get it from some European partner?

[@carbide3d]

From Italy: www.3ditalyshop.it/?s=carbide

[@290592kresten]

i Hope i comse to EU some day

[@homezero]

Hmmm... So the only differences are the Linear Rails and the End Plates of the side rails? Maybe something about V-Wheels? Not a major difference.

[@nickr5658]

Yep, not much of an upgrade. They are being smart business people and making an “new” model so they can raise the price. This is how you stay in business. The shapeoko is an awesome first cnc. When Winston is taking about more precision in the 4 I would really want to see him prove that. There are many factors that control precision and repeatability and a cnc this light weight it will be very hard to keep repeatable dims and tolerances.

[@mihaelmiles7184]

How much I can get profit if I have CNC business monthly?

[@jEdwinJames9675]

Be nice if you could actually buy the PRO. What a bummer.

[@coulterjb22]

Goodbye SO3 from 2015….hello pro!

[@longliu2901]

I have a shapeoko 3, and i dont think it is worth it is.

[@bentebrunsvelt319]

I dont no😒😒wishful i sal buy!! Need pc with in garage 🙄