Carbon Dating Cannot be Trusted! - Creating the Qur’an with Dr. Jay - Episode 40

Today Al Fadi and Dr. Jay look at the inconsistent business of carbon dating. There is much debate surrounding the dating of manuscripts. The actual figures to calculate this vary by region and in actuality cannot reveal when the document was written. Still, even dating the skin of the animal used flexes considerably. Watch as Al Fadi and Dr. Jay illustrate the wide variances of carbon dating when they review the Sana’a manuscript tested at four different labs. Interestingly enough, this manuscript predates Muhammad entirely!
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[@bestKaffir.underTheSon]

Carbon dating of a live animal said that it was dead for 700 years. So much for accuracy.

[@imjulie830]

😅😅That was funny..

[@mrright1068]

Finally someone addressing this issue. Carbon dating has been erroneous in many fields. Thank you for addressing this.

[@user-ex9pc9ps8x]

Dear Dr. Jay Smith, thank you very much for the clearification, which was told the same by Professor to me to change last name to have better future in 2016 in New Zealand. It opened new doors, changed my personality. I changed my last name from DADAMUKHAMEDOV (GRANDFATHER MUKHAMMAD) to AZIMOV. It impacted my acceptance to the western world with good intention.

[@saloanyousif3308]

God bless you a great video

[@addyap208]

Thank you for exposing the unreliable and wrong source of Quran.

[@hufun3789]

So... Carbon dating writing on Bible parchement also cannot be trusted in bible

[@hufun3789]

Hipocricy of Christians

[@DeltaDonsan]

@@hufun3789the Bible doesn’t need carbon dating - we have more evidence for the Jesus of the Bible than anything from that time, meanwhile the standard Islamic narrative desperately needs the win, as Muhammad and the alleged rightly guided caliphs have nothing else to prove they existed

[@ruramikael]

The theory behind C-14-dating is simple and straightforward. However, sampling and methodology has to be stringent and rigorous.

[@MrSupplementScene]

I think the Quran was originally a Jewish text for people speaking Arabic and Syriac. I think Mel's recent works on Jewish Exilarch's explains how the Quran came to pass.

[@abelincoln8885]

Nope. There's only one book that is clearly "satanic verses" and copied & corrupted the Torah, Gospels & Psalms for its gods & idols.

[@leechrec]

Ah interesting theory. So would you say it was originally a Jewish text then modified later on?

[@MrGreeneyes77]

Where can I see "Mel's recent works on Jewish Exilarch's"? Mel who?

[@karenthompson1337]

@@MrGreeneyes77 Islamic Origins is the name of Mel’s channel.

[@josm1481]

Koran is also the name given to Syriac lectionaries. There's a theory it was a Syriac lectionary converted to Arabic to convert Arabs. Leo III mentioned an Umar writing a holy book for the Arabs. Some believe this is it. The theory it came from Christian lectionary has a number of supporting facts. 1. It's full of Syriac hymns etc. 2. It contains heretical Christan stories, that were probably still in circulation then. 3. The famous mystery letters are explained as references to psalms.

[@emongral]

Wow thank you for that, enlightening in several ways.

[@otisarmyalso]

Keep up the good professional work

[@ConservativeArabNet]

Breathtaking research

[@mysotiras21]

Carbon dating gives a RANGES of possible dates when the animal from which the parchment was obtained died. It requires fine-tuning from other types of dating to be anything like precise. Further, carbon-dating cannot reveal when something was written on the parchment. Muslims love carbon-dating for the Birmingham folios, because those dates are so early. They reject carbon-dating whenever it casts doubts upon the SIN, however.

[@alonzoharris326]

You are a peanut. The dating of the Birmingham manuscript is not only based on carbon dating peanut.

[@Gideon_Judges6]

If you want more on carbon dating and similar topics like evolution, Dr. Kent Hovind is excellent!

[@anderslvolljohansen1556]

Kent Hovind is a young earth creationist. If you cram billions or years worth of radioactive decay into a few thousand, that would have made the world a radioactive wasteland.

[@anderslvolljohansen1556]

"In 1988 and 1991 respectively, Hovind received a master's degree and doctorate in Christian Education through correspondence from (also unaccredited) Patriot University, then in Colorado Springs, Colorado.[notes 1][9][10] Patriot University is a diploma mill." Wikipedia

[@JonK...]

C14 dating is accurate. It's just not precise as the radioactive gradient it uses is so gentle, especially compared to its signal to noise ratio, that any date calculations based on it have significantly flattened error bell curves, making them quite imprecise. This is complicated by variable C14 production and uptake levels, as well as the lack of any carbon of any sort in most inks and environmental contamination. Consequently C14 dates of manuscripts have to be treated as only vaguely indicative.

[@alexandernorman5337]

Carbon 14 dating is accurate, but only with a good known standard. C14 has a half life of around 5,700 years. So after that time, half of the C14 in a carbon rich sample (like paper or animal skin) will have underwent radioactive decay into other elements. So at that first glance it seems like an easy thing to do. But it's not. Because the exact ratio of elements and their isotopes varies by a little bit all across the earth. And so without an exact known starting point, there is going to be an inherent error in the calculation. This is a problem because islam is only ~1400 years old - less than 25% of the half-life of C14. So only a small amount of C14 (present on animal death) has decayed in the samples 1400 years old. Because of that and the impossibility of having the exact starting ratio, it is impossible to get a consistent and precise result. And then on top of that (as you mention) is environmental contamination from people handling the material over the centuries. That's just guesswork. C14 dating is better than nothing. But it is a very rare thing to be able to fully account for all the possible factors affecting the sample. And C14 dating is really better suited for much older material - several half-lives old and where these other factors are in comparison much smaller.

[@abelincoln8885]

Stop the shilling. C14 is only accurate for young ages .. due to the requirelment to KNOW .. initial parant & aughter idiotope concentrations, and origina & integrity of theses iniatial concentrations .. and .. close system so there is no contaminaiton of daughter idotope concentrations. And are have been mutliple false "old" ages for known "young" samples putting serious doubt on anythining that is beleived to be over 5994 years. And you do not need to know the age of a manuscript from the religion ... created 600 years after .... two old religions and clearly plagiarized the teachings from these two for its gods & idols.

[@stephensipe5405]

Could the parts of the Quran early than the trader Muhammad support your belief these were Jewish Christian texts about the one titled Muhammad, the Anointed One, Jesus?

[@rockzalt]

If the fragment was taken to the labs in the order they appear on the chart, contamination could explain how they would average out on an upward line. It would give some credibility towards the idea that it was among the earliest of Qurans and used to create the one we have today.

[@davidyoung5830]

The one of 30 different officially recognised Arabic Qurans written at different times by different men in different places, what you are talking about is the 1924 Hafs Egyptian Quran, there is and was no One Quran, there are many! The Standard Islamic Narrative is both a Lie and unsubstantiated by the evidence!

[@anderslvolljohansen1556]

The testing destroys the sample. So I guess a piece of parchment was cut into smaller pieces for distribution to the different labs. The labs have methods for cleaning the samples before testing.

[@rockzalt]

Human error does creep in, it just might indicate how well each lab prepares their sample as well as actually doing the test. Either way given it's a palimpsest, the Quran went under an editorial process during it's first years and whoever was doing the oral version had mistakes writing it down. It also would make a good case for Bibles with red letters for Jesus' words. Any Muslim who loves their Quran will need to pay all the more attention to Jesus' words.@@anderslvolljohansen1556

[@Soothsayer210]

I understand that Carbon dating an animal parchment could yield different results, especially considering that parchment could have been stored in a warehouse for a long time before use. My question here is, why can't they carbon date the ink on it? The ink contains organic materials which could be carbon dated to a more specific date. Can someone please explain ?

[@av-ir7cd]

I've emailed Dr. Daniel Alan Brubaker and he replied that ink carbon dating is a lot harder to be done because it requires to take considerable amount of sample on the ink itself which will damage the artifact and of course from muslim side they won't give permission or even access to do a test that will damage the artifact itself. On top of that, it is required to do analysis on the text itself e.g. writing style etc. As part of ink carbon dating procedure.

[@anderslvolljohansen1556]

Tiny amounts of carbon and difficult to separate the ink from the parchment without contamination by parchment carbon. Minimum sample sizes needed are typically 3 milligrams, which I guess could be many pages worth of ink. The carbon in the ink could be in the binder that makes the pigment stick, while the pigment could be without carbon.

[@anderslvolljohansen1556]

"[...] in an article for The Christian Science Monitor, Sharon J. Huntington describes these other historical inks: About 1,600 years ago, a popular ink recipe was created. The recipe was used for centuries. Iron salts, such as ferrous sulfate (made by treating iron with sulfuric acid), were mixed with tannin from gallnuts (they grow on trees) and a thickener. When first put to paper, this ink is bluish-black. Over time it fades to a dull brown." Wikipedia

[@mikejohnson5059]

The content of the fragment matters most. It pre dates moe ans us collaborated with contemporary writings.

[@ishtarlew598]

They still need to explain why Moslems read a Quran written 150yrs after Mohammed

[@romandacil3984]

I read Shoemakers' book on the Quran. It was quite interesting the main thing I disagreed with him was if the Muslim Muhammed even existed or lived in the Hejaz as neither seems likely.

[@racecar15]

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[@davidabramovichkosciuszko4216]

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[@earlygenesistherevealedcos1982]

I don't see the problem here. The San'a A dating with the widest error bars has almost all of the error bars of the other three within it. The red is a bit of an outlier. The only problem with the carbon dating is for the Standard Islamic Narrative, since it shows as coming early material that was supposed to be original to Islam much later.

[@mysotiras21]

Good points.

[@bjramsey8083]

The LORD reigns over all the earth forever. HalleluYah. Amen. ❤❤❤

[@MarshaAmmons-pe5kh]

Thank God for I don't have any book called the Quran of course I have a wonderful book called the Holy Bible and what you read about the Holy Spirit and the Son Jesus Christ ❤️🙏 Prayers for the both of you guys and the guest speaker 🔊, he is right on spot with the book 📖📚 books such as the Middle East Country Gaza Strip and Jerusalem has been at War for a long time now still waiting for it to be able to stop the Holy War. 😢😮😊❤❤❤🎉🎉

[@EMBMAXIM..]

❤👍

[@tariqmir181]

This is a book,in which there's no doubt.Only religious book which has remained so pure a text for 12 centuries(Sir William muir) a critic of Islam.

[@anderslvolljohansen1556]

Volcanism near Sana'a migh have released enough CO2 to skew the radiocarbon results? "Parts of the Sanaa plain have signs of relatively recent volcanic activity (geologically speaking), with volcanic cones and lava fields. One such area is located to the north, on the road to the Qa al-Bawn, the next plain to the north, located around 'Amran and Raydah. The modern route between the two plains passes to the west of Jabal Din, a volcanic peak that marks the highest point between the two plains, although in medieval times the main route went to the east of the mountain." 'Sanaa', Wikipedia

[@anderslvolljohansen1556]

The volcano Harra of Arhab is less than 20 miles north of Sannah: "A historical eruption in 200 AD (a VEI 2) took place on the flank of an older cinder cone (Jabal Zebib). Another eruption from the volcano in around 500 AD took place on the south flank of Kaulet Hattab cinder cone. It produced a lava flow that travelled for 9 km (5.6 mi), and caused some damage." Wikipedia

[@geoffreyekeneibe966]

God bless you brothers in Jesus name, amen

[@deltadom33]

Quran was canonised 200 years before the life of Muhammad 😮

[@bestKaffir.underTheSon]

The Quran was canonized in 1984.

[@deltadom33]

I would like to know who actually compilled the Qur'an as it definitely wasnt Muhammad or uthman or ibn zahir How was it canonised Are most manuscripts from the ummayid period How do scholars think how the quran was put together it is like a mix of 10 jigsaw puzzles that were put into one Who decided what surahs go in the quran Did they just pick random numbers

[@defenderoftruth3212]

It was Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) who supervised the arrangement of the Surahs. After the compilation of the Qur'an was completed, it was reviewed by Angel Jibreel (Gabriel). In other words, Allah SWT had a hand in the arrangement of the Surahs, and in ensuring that it is complete, since Angel Jibreel would not do anything without the command of Allah SWT. If you have found the arrangement of the Surahs is like a jigsaw puzzles, then voice your complaint to Allah SWT. Maybe if you have the chance to meet Him in the Hereafter, (which I really doubt it), then try to ask Him if why the arrangement of His last book is like that. -02-03-24

[@bestKaffir.underTheSon]

@@defenderoftruth3212 Al-Lah is Satan/Baal and Jibriel is a demon.

[@mysteriesmadeknown2874]

​@@defenderoftruth3212Satan has a strong hold on you.

[@123dsj123]

@@defenderoftruth3212 Have you thought about taking some courses in Islamic Theologies at Christian colleges or universities? You will find that it is not the Muslims, but the Christians who are the best, the brightest, and the finest researchers, professors, teachers, commentators, and lecturers of Islamic Theologies. They are the people of the Book to whom Muslims must turn for knowledge on Islam. [See Quran 16:43.] These Christians are credible people - a sentiment Dr. Yasir Qadhi allured to when he said, “They are leaps and bounds than they were a hundred year ago.”

[@defenderoftruth3212]

@@mysteriesmadeknown2874 ...................... Satan begged Allah SWT to give him a reprieve until the Day of Judgment before he will be punished. And since Allah SWT made him the accursed angel, he promised to deceive the disbelievers to be on his side. Only the believers of Islam that he will stay away from. -02-05-24

[@AffableCounselorNumber1]

. . . because the people of CIRA International do not agree.

[@attarasool4818]

Suppose by tomorrow we find more accurate instruments for dating which esatblish the Muslims Narrative, do they believe then??? Never!!! Rightly said people who have illness in their hearts would never gonna believe the truth.

[@imankhandaker6103]

...only trust in men wearing tea-towels on their heads? Protecting them from rain/sunstroke indoors?

[@imankhandaker6103]

​@@garybowings1538 Mocking the credibility of ANYONE trying to gain it through clothes. What do the Quraysh know about carbon dating? If you want credibility about that - wear a lab coat not a tea-towel.

[@imankhandaker6103]

@@garybowings1538 Clothing as false piety. Look what a good Muslim I'm dressed up to be. You can tell his bias against carbon dating from costume alone - he might a well be wearing a bishops mitre.

[@williamgarayua5878]

-"He was born 3 years after his father died, and that affects carbon dating and even his diapers." * It is always halal to believe in the Best of All Deceivers for pdoing A+ Taquiyya. 👋🤥🏴‍☠️👈🤣

[@dineshsanful]

Before mohammads cave developed , Hindustan was very much developed and was looted by Islamists

[@anderslvolljohansen1556]

It's called decay rate, aka half life, and it is constant and independent of environmental conditions. That, and the fact that the atmosphere is well mixed, means a calibration curve from one place is valid worldwide. Calibration curves are needed because the ratio of C14 to C12+13 in the atmosphere varies over time due to varying production of new C14 by cosmic rays turning Nitrogen into C14, and varying concentration of atmospheric CO2. Tree rings and annual sediment layers (varves) in lake Suigetsu in Japan are used to make those calibration curves.

[@anderslvolljohansen1556]

Grass absorbing CO2 coming up from the ground might affect the C14 date of skins from animals eating that grass. The underground source of CO2 is decay of organic matter. That matter could in some places be thousands of years old. Even though those amounts of CO2 are small, it only takes a small fraction of several thousand year old carbon to change the result, and the CO2 concentration in the atmosphere is also small. A slight wind would mix the air around the grass and greatly reduce that effect. I would suggest testing both grass and nearby tree leaves and see if their C14 to C12+13 ratios turn out any different. I wonder whether the apparent C14 date could vary within the same goat or sheep if the apparent C14 date of their diet varies over time?

[@anderslvolljohansen1556]

There are volcanic hills around Sana'a. Could CO2 from volcanism be taken up by plants and skew the radiocarbon dating of animals eating those plants?

[@megapro3alexnoir103]

I wonder of how Islam treats women & how Christianity treats women ! Yeah I know both religions teach that men are heads of women but I wonder how Christianity gives women more opportunities & treats them more like humans then Islam ? Because there is many Islamic scholars who claims that Bible also treated women as property like seen in Old Testament!

[@j2shoes288]

women have to cover their head in the bible because they are properties of the men and therefore lower than the man, whereas, the Quran orders women to cover so not to be harassed when they go out.

[@megapro3alexnoir103]

I mean if we know that how Islam treats women ,what Christianity really thinks of women despite teaching that men are heads of women

[@anetao.9545]

​@@j2shoes288Lie. Obviously you haven't read the Bible. 1 Cor 11:7-12: "For truly a man ought not to have the head covered, being the image and glory of God. But woman is the glory of man; for man is not of the woman, but woman of man; for also man was not created for the sake of the woman, but woman for the sake of the man; because of this, the woman should to have authority on the head, because of the angels. But neither is the man apart from woman, nor woman apart from man, in the Lord. For as the woman is out of the man, so also the man through the woman; but all things from God."

[@hetrodoxlysonov-wh9oo]

Jesus made a new covenant Christians follow the NT, the Quran claims men are more intelligent than women, a man can have 4 wives, men receive more inheritance, a man can divorce his wife just by saying it 3 times a woman has to ask an imam, Aisha summed it up "Aisha said, 'I have not seen any woman suffering as much as the believing women'".

[@defenderoftruth3212]

@@anetao.9545 ................... Are the verses in Corinthians from God? Definitely NO. Corinthians is one of the many letters of Paul. And this one is addressed to the church of the Corinthians. The contents of the letters of Paul are just the expression of the ideas, opinions, concoctions, conjectures of Paul. It has no bearing at all to your faith. -02-03-24

[@user-hu3vx9mx9x]

Do they really believe anything at all? The Jews and their allies killed many prophets including Jesus Christ. In the holy bible Jesus foretells of a messenger or comforter who will come and tell the truth about Jesus. If Muhammad is not that comforter then when that mentioned comforter will come? According to the Holy bible the Jews killed many of their own prophets. So it is reasonable that they would have killed prophet Muhammad. According to the foretell of Jesus Christ another prophet or comforter will come and acknowledge Jesus. Who is that prophet or comforter and when and where will he come? Many christian scholars predict that Jesus will come for the second time for mellinium reign in around 2031 but before Jesus that comforter is sure to come as foretold by Jesus The Christians and the Jews claim that Jesus , the son of God was killed by crucification. This means that they have been the deepest cruel against Jesus. It is a very despicable incident in human history. Apart from son of God they did not give Jesus the mere human right. But after killing Jesus heartlessly surprisingly they love and revere Jesus so deeply that Jesus is considered the son of God. It is very hard to believe a nation and their allies who have long biblical history of killing the prophets as written in the holy bible.

[@aaronharun1394H]

If two people gave two different accounts of the same thing contradicting each other, then at least one of them is wrong or inaccurate. 1. There are christians who claim Jesus is God. 2. There are christians who claim Jesus is son of God and not God. 3. There are christians who claim Jesus is both God and son of God. 4. There are christians who believe Jesus is a man (not God, not son of God) Which is accurate? These are all major contradictions in the religion. Different factions occured since after the time of Jesus. There are various Gospels with differing accounts believed to be authored by various men at various periods of time. What is the actual message conveyed by Jesus? Which Gospel is closest to the original actual Gospel and how accurate are they? Moses and Jesus both received Scripture. Moses received the Torah which is a Revelation from God. Jesus received the Injil* which is a Revelation from God. The original Revelation is not authored by men as widely believed of the current Gospels. Whatever is authored by men is not part of Revelation. * The word Injil is closer in pronunciation to the word Gospel in other languages. The original Injil/Gospel is only one book. Allah - there is no ilah (deity/god) except Him, the Ever-Living, the Sustainer of existence. He has sent down upon you, the Book in truth, confirming what was before it. And He revealed the Torah and the Injil. Before, as guidance for the people And He revealed the Criterion (Qur'an). Indeed, those who disbelieve in the verses of Allah will have a severe punishment, and Allah is exalted in Might, the Owner of Retribution. (Al-Quran 3: 2- 4) And We have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], the Book (Al-Quran) in truth, confirming that which preceded it of the Scripture and as a criterion over it.... (Al-Quran 5: 48) O People of the Scripture, there has come to you Our Messenger to make clear to you [the religion] after a period [of suspension] of messengers, lest you say, "There came not to us any bringer of good tidings or a warner." But there has come to you a bringer of good tidings and a warner. And Allah is over all things competent. (Al-Quran translation 5: 19) The Quran is ensuing and latest Revelation and it acts as the Criterion over the current Torah and Gospels. Anything from the current Torah and Gospels that alligns with the Quran would be closer to both the original Scriptures that included the one received by Jesus, wether it be in the original language it was revealed, translations or interpretations. The message of Revelation from our Creator is for mankind that includes the Jews, Christians and polytheists. Just as previous Scriptures, Revelation includes warning mankind of their errors.

[@mysotiras21]

OFF TOPIC SPAM, and a REFUTED LIE besides. Reported.

[@syedosyedo6626]

​@@garybowings1538 All the verse you quoted is about the original scriptures Zabur Taurat and Injil sent to prophet David Moses and Jesus PBUT Revealed by Allah SWT. Now all the scriptures are lost and distorted. Then Jews and Christians wrote books with their hands and adding their own words claiming it's from Allah SWT. That's the bible you have now. We Muslims don't need the bible since we have the Qur'an the Final Revelation by Allah SWT.

[@aaronharun1394H]

The earlier idols (false deities) were statues erected of pious people of previous generations. These people were later wrongly prayed to and taken as deities. These type of misguided beliefs of taking humans as deities or gods exist in pagan and polytheist religions, past and present. A human taking another human as a deity or God is falsehood. It makes absolutely no sense for a human to pray to (worship) another human. Deity Incarnation where a human is believed to be a deity or God coming down in this world as a human is among the misguided claims in pagan and polytheist religions, past and present. Claiming a human is God manifest as a human is among the misguided claims in pagan and polytheist religions. Claiming a spirit in a human is a deity or God is among the misguided claims in pagan and polytheist religions. Claiming God having sons or daughters is among the misguides claims in pagan and polytheists religions. All that I mentioned about idolatry, pagan and polytheist religions you can look it up online including from their own sources. The misguided belief of taking Jesus as a deity or God is against what Jesus himself believe and taught. It is against what all the guided prophets that include Noah, Abraham and Moses believed and taught. It is against the foremost of the religion which is the first and foremost commandment. Abraham did not pray to Jesus which is a man's name. Abraham did not pray to three persons. God is not a human God created humans As great a human Jesus is, he still is human.

[@draftin68]

@@syedosyedo6626 the author of bible is not allah swt, but elohim jhvh, Elohim jhvh never send down alquran,

[@syedosyedo6626]

​@@draftin68 Bible was written by unknown men hundreds of years after Jesus PBUH

[@notthisguyagain8557]

The Quran is incorruptible! How? How can you corrupt 💩?

[@mikejohnson5059]

Well, did they take it to an Islamic lab??? The world will believe them. Lmao

[@defenderoftruth3212]

Jay Smith, what can you say about the carbon-dating of the manuscripts of the Bible that all of them are carbon-dated to the 9th Century, except for a torn one with a size of the credit card that is carbon-dated to the 3rd Century? If the manuscripts of the Bible are carbon-dated to the 9th Century, this would mean that the Bible was written long after the Qur'an. So, your claim that the Qur'an copied from the Bible is quite the opposite. It must be the Bible that copied the stories in the Qur'an. Carbon-dating is undeniable. It has already spoken for itself. -02-06-24

[@defenderoftruth3212]

@@garybowings1538 ................................ 5:46. And We sent, following in their footsteps, Jesus, the son of Mary, CONFIRMING that which came before him in the Torah; and We gave him the Gospel, in which was guidance and light and CONFIRMING THAT WHICH WHICH PRECEDED IT OF THE TORAH as guidance and instruction for the righteous. This verse tells you that the Gospel of Prophet jESUs (pbuh) should be confirming what's in the Torah. In other words, the message in the Gospel is the same with what's in the Torah. Likewise, it's the same with the Holy Qur'an. It also confirms what's in the Torah and in the Gospel. All prophets received the same message since they have the same and one source, which is God. Read the verse below: 7:157. Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered prophet, WHOM THEY FIND WRITTEN IN WHAT THEY HAVE OF THE TORAH AND THE GOSPEL, who enjoins upon them what is right and forbids them what is wrong and makes lawful for them the good things and prohibits for them the evil and relieves them of their burden and the shackles which were upon them. So, they who have believed in him, honored him, supported him and followed the light which was sent down with him - it is those who will be the successful. In this verse 7:157, it tells you that the Gospel and Torah must bear the name of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). It says that you'll find that the name of the Messenger, the unlettered prophet, which is Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), is written in both the Torah and Gospel. Actually, it's not a name, but a story about him. Question is: Can you read the name "Muhammad" written in the Torah and the Gospel? 2:213. Mankind was [of] one religion [before their deviation]; then Allah sent the prophets as bringers of good tidings and warners and sent down with them the Scripture in truth to judge between the people concerning that in which they differed. AND NONE DIFFERED OVER THE SCRIPTURE EXCEPT THOSE WHO WERE GIVEN IT - after the clear proofs came to them - out of jealous animosity among themselves. And Allah guided those who believed to the truth concerning that over which they had differed, by His permission. And Allah guides whom He wills to a straight path. Have you not noticed that in Surah 5:47, the Gospel is singular. It means only ONE BOOK. It is the same with the Torah, only ONE BOOK. And so with the Qur'an, only ONE BOOK. Now, the question is: Where is the Gospel that is only one book? Where is the Torah that is only one book? And where are the descriptions referred to in Surah 5:46 CONFIRMING what is in the Torah, and in Surah 7:157 where the name of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is WRITTEN in both the Torah and the Gospel? There being none in both books are not what are referred to in the Surahs you've given. 4:163. Indeed, We have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], as We revealed to Noah and the prophets after him. And we revealed to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, the Descendants, Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron, and Solomon, and to David We gave the book [of Psalms]. One source. Same message. -02-07-24

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@@garybowings1538 ..................................... 5:46. And We sent, following in their footsteps, Jesus, the son of Mary, CONFIRMING that which came before him in the Torah; and We gave him the Gospel, in which was guidance and light and CONFIRMING THAT WHICH WHICH PRECEDED IT OF THE TORAH as guidance and instruction for the righteous. This verse tells you that the Gospel of Prophet jESUs (pbuh) should be confirming what's in the Torah. In other words, the message in the Gospel is the same with what's in the Torah. Likewise, it's the same with the Holy Qur'an. It also confirms what's in the Torah and in the Gospel. All prophets received the same message since they have the same and one source, which is God. Read the verse below: 7:157. Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered prophet, WHOM THEY FIND WRITTEN IN WHAT THEY HAVE OF THE TORAH AND THE GOSPEL, who enjoins upon them what is right and forbids them what is wrong and makes lawful for them the good things and prohibits for them the evil and relieves them of their burden and the shackles which were upon them. So, they who have believed in him, honored him, supported him and followed the light which was sent down with him - it is those who will be the successful. In this verse 7:157, it tells you that the Gospel and Torah must bear the name of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). It says that you'll find that the name of the Messenger, the unlettered prophet, which is Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), is written in both the Torah and Gospel. Actually, it's not a name, but a story about him. Question is: Can you read the name "Muhammad" written in the Torah and the Gospel? 2:213. Mankind was [of] one religion [before their deviation]; then Allah sent the prophets as bringers of good tidings and warners and sent down with them the Scripture in truth to judge between the people concerning that in which they differed. AND NONE DIFFERED OVER THE SCRIPTURE EXCEPT THOSE WHO WERE GIVEN IT - after the clear proofs came to them - out of jealous animosity among themselves. And Allah guided those who believed to the truth concerning that over which they had differed, by His permission. And Allah guides whom He wills to a straight path. Have you not noticed that in Surah 5:47, the Gospel is singular. It means only ONE BOOK. It is the same with the Torah, only ONE BOOK. And so with the Qur'an, only ONE BOOK. Now, the question is: Where is the Gospel that is only one book? Where is the Torah that is only one book? And where are the descriptions referred to in Surah 5:46 CONFIRMING what is in the Torah, and in Surah 7:157 where the name of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is WRITTEN in both the Torah and the Gospel? There being none in both books are not what are being referred to in the Surahs you've given. 4:163. Indeed, We have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], as We revealed to Noah and the prophets after him. And we revealed to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, the Descendants, Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron, and Solomon, and to David We gave the book [of Psalms]. One source. Same message. -02-08-24

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@@garybowings1538 ........................ 5:46. And We sent, following in their footsteps, Jesus, the son of Mary, CONFIRMING that which came before him in the Torah; and We gave him the Gospel, in which was guidance and light and CONFIRMING THAT WHICH WHICH PRECEDED IT OF THE TORAH as guidance and instruction for the righteous. This verse tells you that the Gospel of Prophet jESUs (pbuh) should be confirming what's in the Torah. In other words, the message in the Gospel is the same with what's in the Torah. Likewise, it's the same with the Holy Qur'an. It also confirms what's in the Torah and in the Gospel. All prophets received the same message since they have the same and one source, which is God. Read the verse below: 7:157. Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered prophet, WHOM THEY FIND WRITTEN IN WHAT THEY HAVE OF THE TORAH AND THE GOSPEL, who enjoins upon them what is right and forbids them what is wrong and makes lawful for them the good things and prohibits for them the evil and relieves them of their burden and the shackles which were upon them. So, they who have believed in him, honored him, supported him and followed the light which was sent down with him - it is those who will be the successful. In this verse 7:157, it tells you that the Gospel and Torah must bear the name of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). It says that you'll find that the name of the Messenger, the unlettered prophet, which is Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), is written in both the Torah and Gospel. Actually, it's not a name, but a story about him. Question is: Can you read the name "Muhammad" written in the Torah and the Gospel? 2:213. Mankind was [of] one religion [before their deviation]; then Allah sent the prophets as bringers of good tidings and warners and sent down with them the Scripture in truth to judge between the people concerning that in which they differed. AND NONE DIFFERED OVER THE SCRIPTURE EXCEPT THOSE WHO WERE GIVEN IT - after the clear proofs came to them - out of jealous animosity among themselves. And Allah guided those who believed to the truth concerning that over which they had differed, by His permission. And Allah guides whom He wills to a straight path. Have you not noticed that in Surah 5:47, the Gospel is singular. It means only ONE BOOK. It is the same with the Torah, only ONE BOOK. And so with the Qur'an, only ONE BOOK. Now, the question is: Where is the Gospel that is only one book? Where is the Torah that is only one book? And where are the descriptions referred to in Surah 5:46 CONFIRMING what is in the Torah, and in Surah 7:157 where the name of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is WRITTEN in both the Torah and the Gospel? There being none in both books are not what are being referred to in the Surahs you've given. 4:163. Indeed, We have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], as We revealed to Noah and the prophets after him. And we revealed to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, the Descendants, Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron, and Solomon, and to David We gave the book [of Psalms]. One source. Same message. -02-09-24

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@@garybowings1538 ......................... 5:46. And We sent, following in their footsteps, Jesus, the son of Mary, CONFIRMING that which came before him in the Torah; and We gave him the Gospel, in which was guidance and light and CONFIRMING THAT WHICH WHICH PRECEDED IT OF THE TORAH as guidance and instruction for the righteous. This verse tells you that the Gospel of Prophet jESUs (pbuh) should be confirming what's in the Torah. In other words, the message in the Gospel is the same with what's in the Torah. Likewise, it's the same with the Holy Qur'an. It also confirms what's in the Torah and in the Gospel. All prophets received the same message since they have the same and one source, which is God. Read the verse below: 7:157. Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered prophet, WHOM THEY FIND WRITTEN IN WHAT THEY HAVE OF THE TORAH AND THE GOSPEL, who enjoins upon them what is right and forbids them what is wrong and makes lawful for them the good things and prohibits for them the evil and relieves them of their burden and the shackles which were upon them. So, they who have believed in him, honored him, supported him and followed the light which was sent down with him - it is those who will be the successful. In this verse 7:157, it tells you that the Gospel and Torah must bear the name of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). It says that you'll find that the name of the Messenger, the unlettered prophet, which is Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), is written in both the Torah and Gospel. Actually, it's not a name, but a story about him. Question is: Can you read the name "Muhammad" written in the Torah and the Gospel? 2:213. Mankind was [of] one religion [before their deviation]; then Allah sent the prophets as bringers of good tidings and warners and sent down with them the Scripture in truth to judge between the people concerning that in which they differed. AND NONE DIFFERED OVER THE SCRIPTURE EXCEPT THOSE WHO WERE GIVEN IT - after the clear proofs came to them - out of jealous animosity among themselves. And Allah guided those who believed to the truth concerning that over which they had differed, by His permission. And Allah guides whom He wills to a straight path. Have you not noticed that in Surah 5:47, the Gospel is singular. It means only ONE BOOK. It is the same with the Torah, only ONE BOOK. And so with the Qur'an, only ONE BOOK. Now, the question is: Where is the Gospel that is only one book? Where is the Torah that is only one book? And where are the descriptions referred to in Surah 5:46 CONFIRMING what is in the Torah, and in Surah 7:157 where the name of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is WRITTEN in both the Torah and the Gospel? There being none in both books are not what are being referred to in the Surahs you've given. 4:163. Indeed, We have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], as We revealed to Noah and the prophets after him. And we revealed to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, the Descendants, Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron, and Solomon, and to David We gave the book [of Psalms]. -02-10-24

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@@garybowings1538 .................... 5:46. And We sent, following in their footsteps, Jesus, the son of Mary, CONFIRMING that which came before him in the Torah; and We gave him the Gospel, in which was guidance and light and CONFIRMING THAT WHICH WHICH PRECEDED IT OF THE TORAH as guidance and instruction for the righteous. 7:157. Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered prophet, WHOM THEY FIND WRITTEN IN WHAT THEY HAVE OF THE TORAH AND THE GOSPEL, who enjoins upon them what is right and forbids them what is wrong and makes lawful for them the good things and prohibits for them the evil and relieves them of their burden and the shackles which were upon them. So, they who have believed in him, honored him, supported him and followed the light which was sent down with him - it is those who will be the successful. In this verse 7:157, it tells you that the Gospel and Torah must bear the name of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). It says that you'll find that the name of the Messenger, the unlettered prophet, which is Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), is written in both the Torah and Gospel. Actually, it's not a name, but a story about him. Question is: Can you read the name "Muhammad" written in the Torah and the Gospel? 2:213. Mankind was [of] one religion [before their deviation]; then Allah sent the prophets as bringers of good tidings and warners and sent down with them the Scripture in truth to judge between the people concerning that in which they differed. AND NONE DIFFERED OVER THE SCRIPTURE EXCEPT THOSE WHO WERE GIVEN IT - after the clear proofs came to them - out of jealous animosity among themselves. And Allah guided those who believed to the truth concerning that over which they had differed, by His permission. And Allah guides whom He wills to a straight path. Have you not noticed that in Surah 5:47, the Gospel is singular. It means only ONE BOOK. It is the same with the Torah, only ONE BOOK. And so with the Qur'an, only ONE BOOK. 4:163. Indeed, We have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], as We revealed to Noah and the prophets after him. And we revealed to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, the Descendants, Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron, and Solomon, and to David We gave the book [of Psalms]. One source. Same message. -02-13-24

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Jesus Christianity cross ✝️ is the only Living God in the whole universe Amen ✝️ 🙏

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you left, why do you worry?

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Because belief in demonic Islam damns people to hell.

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How did British colonizers obtain a "quranic manuscript?" By creating islam.

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