Carbon Fibre Game Changer | Inside 3T's Italian Bike Factory

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@gcntech
@gcntech 3 жыл бұрын
What do you think of the finished product? Let us know down below👇
@S44BBOI
@S44BBOI 3 жыл бұрын
Still lust over the top Steel bike over a carbon one.
@PrzemyslawSliwinski
@PrzemyslawSliwinski 3 жыл бұрын
11:42 80°C? Does it mean spilling a hot espresso can weaken a frame?
@hymen0callis
@hymen0callis 3 жыл бұрын
Very lovely, but unfortunately outside my budget. Also: if it's 1x only, I think I have to give it a pass. (Edit: doesn't seem to be 1x only actually)
@PISCHIK04275
@PISCHIK04275 3 жыл бұрын
TIME bicycles yawning?!
@keithevans5667
@keithevans5667 3 жыл бұрын
Looks amazing 👏
@Hambini
@Hambini 3 жыл бұрын
10:52 + -0.001mm of tolerance and alignment. Yeah whatever...
@pugmandan215
@pugmandan215 3 жыл бұрын
The master has spoken 🔥
@blackdoublezero
@blackdoublezero 3 жыл бұрын
i loved the bottom bracket gauge moment and the 'perfectly' round comment - clearly a misguided nod to @hambini .....all i have to say is - "3T, prove it ! "
@Yes-sc1pb
@Yes-sc1pb 3 жыл бұрын
HELLO HAMBINI FANS
@jonnythelegs2597
@jonnythelegs2597 3 жыл бұрын
bits of it might be lol
@Wildschwein_Jaeger
@Wildschwein_Jaeger 3 жыл бұрын
Some people have to wear hats...even indoors.
@brianbob7514
@brianbob7514 3 жыл бұрын
Cool to see manufacturing coming back to Italy.
@user-uh6lm5wv6n
@user-uh6lm5wv6n 3 жыл бұрын
I agree 100% man. If this is the direction for other Italian brands bring that shit on. 👌
@c.g.c2067
@c.g.c2067 3 жыл бұрын
exactly that is what all companies should do
@tonyg3091
@tonyg3091 3 жыл бұрын
Carbon woven frames have been a thing for quite some time now-Time and Festka come to mind.Happy that 3T is going this way.
@The2808erik
@The2808erik 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah glad to see some brands are still innovating and not just selling rebranded OEM china frames.
@vipergtsrgt1
@vipergtsrgt1 3 жыл бұрын
I think this is just the next step in what they started. It goes beyond Time and Festka in the complexity of the frame shape and the speed of production.
@Upthegicker
@Upthegicker 3 жыл бұрын
1 micron tolerance on bottom bracket? As a toolmaker I doubt that very much!
@stuartthurstan
@stuartthurstan 3 жыл бұрын
Have to agree with you there. I've worked with CNC machinery for over 20 years, and those kind of tolerances are difficult enough to maintain in precision grinding. Most lathes and work centres will maintain 0.01 under good conditions. I would expect there to be at least 0.01, probably more, between the mould and the bottom bracket plug otherwise just assembling them would become a very tricky job.
@project-rtf7455
@project-rtf7455 3 жыл бұрын
Especially with carbon filaments, I agree 👍
@adnartmadmartm8718
@adnartmadmartm8718 3 жыл бұрын
"By doing it this way, 3T reckons it can achieve a +/-0.001mm of tolerance" Somewhere in the UK, Hambini is starting to rub his hands together and opens up his little book of expletives.
@MisterAndyS
@MisterAndyS 3 жыл бұрын
...that he authored.
@maxwellmc9734
@maxwellmc9734 3 жыл бұрын
😁 😝 Brilliant as soon as he mentioned bottom bracket.. 😅
@michaelskelton8516
@michaelskelton8516 3 жыл бұрын
When I heard that I thought immediately of the dreaded H.😬
@bicyclist2
@bicyclist2 3 жыл бұрын
Agreed.
@haroon420
@haroon420 2 жыл бұрын
Yes. But I think Hambini likes to review customers bikes and not those sent by the marketing departments as we know they’ll be perfect.
@chrisaldrich6917
@chrisaldrich6917 3 жыл бұрын
An Italian company yet Ollie wears a Belgium shirt to the factory
@gcntech
@gcntech 3 жыл бұрын
He'll be appropriately fined.
@leebackus9875
@leebackus9875 3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely great point Chris. He should have borrowed my wool Campi jersey I bought in Rome in 1983.
@gielvh
@gielvh 3 жыл бұрын
As a Belgium I feel honored.
@tomwagemans1872
@tomwagemans1872 3 жыл бұрын
@@gielvh Me too
@monkeybizniz2095
@monkeybizniz2095 3 жыл бұрын
Chris Aldrich well spotted. Ollie should have 'dropped' it! 🤔😝
@Bz7
@Bz7 3 жыл бұрын
I'm a Mold Enginner and also cyclist this video is very accurate to the process! I was surprised, congratulations!
@DrJRMCFC
@DrJRMCFC 3 жыл бұрын
Love these factory tours. I’m a happy long time customer of 3T bars, stems and seat posts. Great quality. I believe they also own THM? This frame building process is fascinating. Made in Italy too!
@justinbetz6060
@justinbetz6060 3 жыл бұрын
"Top secret, we can't show you!" The next two scenes its just casually sat on the table lol
@volodymyrdonets4166
@volodymyrdonets4166 3 жыл бұрын
So as for the basic idea of this processing is not so big secret, actually I have a few ideas how it works (It can be air balony, with some ultra stiff elements, or some kind of mechanical device). Too much pathos for me.
@simonkirchweger6090
@simonkirchweger6090 3 жыл бұрын
@@volodymyrdonets4166 I think its like a plastic bottle with ice in it Frozen you can put preassure on it but after that it melts and you can easily pull it out
@Anton-zb9dc
@Anton-zb9dc 3 жыл бұрын
@@simonkirchweger6090 epoxy is not capible with low temperature and moisture, that's definitely not the case
@adamjankowski7679
@adamjankowski7679 3 жыл бұрын
Wax. Low melting temp wax... if you are worried about it impregnation the carbon the put it in a bladder or plastic coating ect before install. Melt away the wax and pull out the thin bladder. Done
@heavyweather
@heavyweather 3 жыл бұрын
@@volodymyrdonets4166 will be some wedge and a multi part form. Just like any inside form tooling that needs to get removed.
@jasonjaeger7383
@jasonjaeger7383 3 жыл бұрын
I really like these gcn factory tour videos!
@hymen0callis
@hymen0callis 3 жыл бұрын
1:41: Hey, props to whoever came up with that editing! Please more videos like this.
@NefastusJones
@NefastusJones 3 жыл бұрын
That's a special fountain using anti-water. 3T built a robot for that.
@jim9685769
@jim9685769 3 жыл бұрын
Except for the cameraman who's like a kid with his first camera, constantly fiddling with the zoom button. In, out, in, in, out, in, out, out, out, IN!
@robbeelsas
@robbeelsas 3 жыл бұрын
I want Hambini or Peaktorque to get their hands on one of these frames
@richardhaselwood9478
@richardhaselwood9478 3 жыл бұрын
Agreed.
@jonnythelegs2597
@jonnythelegs2597 3 жыл бұрын
It'll happen
@dietbountyicecream1444
@dietbountyicecream1444 3 жыл бұрын
@@jonnythelegs2597 it is the same method as with Time frames
@robbeelsas
@robbeelsas 3 жыл бұрын
@@dietbountyicecream1444 method yes, execution: who knows? 🤷
@troywillis9873
@troywillis9873 3 жыл бұрын
At least some talk of tolerances and QA but yes, let's see what happens. Also love that my next potential expensive purchase was built using a popstick but if it works then it works!
@jonathanfroggatt5865
@jonathanfroggatt5865 3 жыл бұрын
That was truely fantastic to see a lovely frame like that being built in its home country…… I want-one ♥️
@BikeLife154
@BikeLife154 3 жыл бұрын
I look forward to seeing the price of 3T bikes drop now as their process for making carbon frames is cheaper and simpler!
@moistnugget4019
@moistnugget4019 3 жыл бұрын
LOL
@BikeLife154
@BikeLife154 3 жыл бұрын
@@moistnugget4019 yeah LOL 😂
@justinwbohner
@justinwbohner 3 жыл бұрын
I was going to say the same thing, since they're using women, which reduces labor costs to 77c on the dollar.
@SMlFFY85
@SMlFFY85 3 жыл бұрын
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
@davidd1492
@davidd1492 3 жыл бұрын
Yeh. Not going to happen. Knowing the industry as it is now they will probably double in price.
@sebastianboros3140
@sebastianboros3140 3 жыл бұрын
This is high quality GCN content. Ollie’s 3T factory tour is full of interesting information and is very entertaining.
@Jayman5281
@Jayman5281 Жыл бұрын
After working for a bike manufacturer, I’m always intrigued by all the different ways each company creates their products. Carbon fibers and engineering combined is truly fascinating. Thanks for each episode that showcases this tech!!🤙
@jaggedsphere
@jaggedsphere 3 жыл бұрын
I used to get giddy with lust for guitars.. Still do but now I can add Italian bikes to my gear lust.
@sbsb4995
@sbsb4995 3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic work by 3T. Respect.
@benturp3492
@benturp3492 3 жыл бұрын
Need to send a frame to HAMBINI then I'll be impressed
@teunluijbregts2533
@teunluijbregts2533 3 жыл бұрын
Agree.
@ezquiel700c
@ezquiel700c 3 жыл бұрын
100% see how long it takes him to say its bullshit :)
@Breezy.m16
@Breezy.m16 3 жыл бұрын
Was thinking the same.
@bartoszsmietana1
@bartoszsmietana1 3 жыл бұрын
@@ezquiel700c Or wankers :P
@anieste
@anieste 3 жыл бұрын
Definitely send the frame to Hambini especially being the tolerance of the bottom bracket has been told and now we want to know if it is as such...if not...be prepared for the power point reaming!!!
@July87Jan
@July87Jan 9 ай бұрын
This video has quadrupled the appreciation that I already had for my 3T racemax. So cool!
@chrisridesbicycles
@chrisridesbicycles 3 жыл бұрын
I love that Europe is starting to switch on the brains again instead of moving every production step to China. There is also an emerging carbon manufacturing industry in Portugal and Spain that is worth a visit. The top secret UV-glue is a clever thing, I guess they can save resin by doing so as well.
@klaytonickinson
@klaytonickinson 3 жыл бұрын
It's always been about maximizing profit as it is for any businesses. European labored product cost 8 times over than chinese-made carbon parts in some cases. And the quality difference between higher end chinese-made carbon parts and european made parts is almost unnoticeable. For an average Joe, it's hardly justifiable paying $10,000.00 for an euro carbon bike when you can build one for $4,000 with the same shimano parts & performance.
@chrisridesbicycles
@chrisridesbicycles 3 жыл бұрын
@@klaytonickinson The quality difference is exactly zero. What you get for the higher labour cost is insurance and human rights. What I still don‘t understand why even things that are 100% machine made still have to be made in China.
@davidsuper179
@davidsuper179 3 жыл бұрын
@@chrisridesbicycles you probably didn’t understand Chinese styles. Highly efficient auto machine AND human labor made their market competitive
@Aubreykun
@Aubreykun 3 жыл бұрын
@@chrisridesbicycles It's not just the short term human rights. It's that you aren't funding Xi's warchest and espionage fund.
@maikino8002
@maikino8002 3 жыл бұрын
The increasing cost of energy will
@Willjcbaker
@Willjcbaker 3 жыл бұрын
Another high quality infomercial. Cheers GCN for the great content.
@markzzzsmith
@markzzzsmith 3 жыл бұрын
I think one of the ways it is so obviously an ad is that Oli is talking about all the 3T processes like he's all fully across them because he works for 3T. Obviously he doesn't work for 3T, so it just isn't authentic.
@allanfoster6965
@allanfoster6965 3 жыл бұрын
Also 3T have a shed load of reputation to make up after the alleged sponsorship and supply to Team Blue (was that what it was called) with their 'innovative 1x system' 3T Exploro debacle.
@c.g.c2067
@c.g.c2067 3 жыл бұрын
@@markzzzsmith what's all this fuss about three quarters of manufacturing companies make silly claims... even vaccine companies do... you like the frame, good you buy it. you don't like it, well don't buy it.
@humstrumbangtwang
@humstrumbangtwang 3 жыл бұрын
Let Hambini have a sample frame. If it’s as good as 3t say, it will be the bast advertising for the product. It might even tempt me away from my Columbus airplane aluminium frame........but I doubt it.😉
@Led899
@Led899 3 жыл бұрын
Hambini is only an hater. For him only his product are good....
@mtbsieppo
@mtbsieppo 3 жыл бұрын
Not just a hater but a justified hater. The crap bike companies try to get away with is ridiculous
@aaron___6014
@aaron___6014 3 жыл бұрын
Only a few cyclists, who buy new frames, watch hambini.
@dzrdza
@dzrdza 3 жыл бұрын
Nah, dude, watch literally anything from Luescher Teknik. That's THE guy for anything carbon. May be a little boring in his explanation, but nevertheless scientific and practicall especially.
@automaticraccon
@automaticraccon 3 жыл бұрын
I will never understand the obsession with Hambini's alleged 'finds'. He never presents any hard evidence on his claims and when needed he pulls the secrecy card due to his employment situation. He is a little coward hiding behind a pseudonym slinging mud at people.
@einundsiebenziger5488
@einundsiebenziger5488 7 ай бұрын
Wow, 3T finally managed to build a good-looking bike frame. Also, Kudos to the factory worker for wearing a T-shirt with the old 3T-Logo from back in the day when 3T (tecno tubi Torino) made the nicest titanium stems and the lightest aluminium handlebars ever.
@kstethespokes1051
@kstethespokes1051 3 жыл бұрын
Fascinating! Thanks Ollie
@IronHorsey3
@IronHorsey3 Жыл бұрын
What a great video and thanks for making me smile with this beautiful illustration of bike creation, Ollie! Only wished to hear more about your ride. Thanks!
@swampy1584
@swampy1584 3 жыл бұрын
What a stunning piece of kit
@jameslowe2979
@jameslowe2979 3 жыл бұрын
Don't forget the UK has its own emerging carbon frame building industry too. Check out Lowe Cycles, Warrington, England. GCN give me a shout, kettle is always on!
@jhunterrd1493
@jhunterrd1493 3 жыл бұрын
They can archive tube shape but weight/compliance is a lot harder this way compared to manual layup where you can play with fiber orientation/thickness.
@johnkimball314
@johnkimball314 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for saying this. Filament winding has significant drawbacks to the this type of manufacturing. Specifically, it doesn't allow for optimized fiber orientation. And it has a minimum thickness in order to close out the winding pattern. With prepreg layup, you can optimize the layup in areas that need it and remove material in areas that don't need it. In this way you can create stiffer and lighter frames. And the use of M55J fiber (ultra high modulus fiber) is not necessarily a good thing in a bike frame. It is some of the stiffest fiber available, but it is also very brittle and will fracture much easier than Intermediate modulus fiber. IM fiber is very stiff and has super high tensile strength which makes it stronger in higher loads. And way more comfortable to ride.
@reason43poole37
@reason43poole37 3 жыл бұрын
Love this guy he has that great quality of giving us information with I don't know it all presentation. Perfect.
@ebikescrapper3925
@ebikescrapper3925 3 жыл бұрын
Time have been making the best carbon frames for years, everybody else is catching up. Can 3T make a round bottom bracket shell?
@GCNuser123
@GCNuser123 3 жыл бұрын
watch the vid! it’s in there!
@maxgonzalez214
@maxgonzalez214 3 жыл бұрын
Yes.
@JibbaJabber
@JibbaJabber 3 жыл бұрын
Now they can !!
@bengt_axle
@bengt_axle 3 жыл бұрын
You can if you use a mandrel!
@mabozza85
@mabozza85 2 жыл бұрын
@@GCNuser123 just watched your orbea doc on gcn+ Great work that was. Impressive bike. Whats your views on it now?
@molfar9049
@molfar9049 3 жыл бұрын
nice to see bike making is back in Italy… but are they reducing the price?
@mikew9743
@mikew9743 3 жыл бұрын
More like a price hike for made in italy
@Christian-pw5ws
@Christian-pw5ws 3 жыл бұрын
I seriously doubt it. The marketing department of 3T will probably use that to justify an increase of their prices. Bike manufacturers are always increasing their prices, until people stop buying. When that happens prices will just fall back to normal.
@fiorentinobici6943
@fiorentinobici6943 3 жыл бұрын
filament bikes cost more
@bronson911s2
@bronson911s2 3 жыл бұрын
Seems to me 3T are bringing some jobs back to Italy through the cost savings of manufacturing in this manner. Those Italian jobs will then pay Italian taxes. Maybe they could lower the price at some point, but they have a lot of bikes to sell to offset the cost of manufcaturing the machinery used, plua R&D.
@mikew9743
@mikew9743 3 жыл бұрын
@@bronson911s2 italian labours not that expensive now days And they are doin in house manufacturing which further cut and cost As long as QC improves and customer pay same price then it looks like a win win to me
@tzed2509
@tzed2509 Жыл бұрын
I thought I really wanted a 3T frame BEFORE I saw this video but now I really have to have one!
@andygiff07
@andygiff07 3 жыл бұрын
Stunning frame/bike and great to see they have a nod with Made in Italy on the frame 👌🏻 given the container issues and environmental impact coming to the fore I wonder how many other manufacturers will follow suit 🤞🏻
@nameberry220
@nameberry220 3 жыл бұрын
at 4k per 40 foot container it costs about $8 per bike, at 20k per container it's only $40 per bike. Shipping is really cheap.
@chevyyyyyyy
@chevyyyyyyy 2 жыл бұрын
Wow! Italy. My fellow Italians have recovered their dominance in production tool technology; are once again on the cutting edge of innovative bike tech and design aesthetics. I wonder if Lombardy is a hot region for bikes? I just recently purchased a handsome, multi-color Ciöcc bike from Curno there but the company gets its tubes from Taiwan, the ownership openly admitted. I see 3Ts in my local bike shops in California.
@gianlucapetitti7482
@gianlucapetitti7482 11 ай бұрын
Consider that Veneto Lombardia and Piemonte are regions in Italy that produce bike as Bianchi pinarello bottecchia 3t cinelli wilier scarpin colnago kuota etc etc better or not but the passion is hot
@bruin4937
@bruin4937 3 жыл бұрын
Gorgeous and very impressive technology. I wonder if the other Italian bike makers will start having their frames made by 3T instead of going to Taiwan for that work? Would 3T even entertain this idea or keep the benefits of their unique frame building technology to themselves, at least for some years to come?
@vmarano4
@vmarano4 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you Ollie! Great video.
@villiano1
@villiano1 3 жыл бұрын
i'm missing how they joined the tubes together. the ends of the tubes all had frayed carbon fiber strands. how did they join them together???
@rosomak8244
@rosomak8244 2 жыл бұрын
cut and glue
@durianriders
@durianriders 3 жыл бұрын
9:44 that oldschool 3ttt logo!
@naimas8120
@naimas8120 3 жыл бұрын
I found the legend here
@TheSamwhyte
@TheSamwhyte 3 жыл бұрын
If 3T makes a bottom bracket shell that's precise by 0.001mm does that mean it also has to make its own bottom brackets? Because surely mass produced BBs won't fit to such a precise space?
@likemarksee
@likemarksee 3 жыл бұрын
It means your bottom bracket won’t creak, which is usually a fault of the frame. Like when cannonade event a standard that they that themselves cannot manufacture to.
@TheSamwhyte
@TheSamwhyte 3 жыл бұрын
@@likemarksee But won't there now be more clearance, or more chances at least for ill-fitting mass produced BBs? Because mass produced BBs are manufactured with less precise measurements
@likemarksee
@likemarksee 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheSamwhytecombination of both the BB and the shell could cause a poor it. Usually it’s the frame that causes a problem. Tolerance of the BB does not need to be any higher, just because the frame is more accurate. The BB tolerance would need to be within a suitable/specified range. If the frame is accurate, that’s one less variable that could cause a poor fit. I would think most good BB’s are within a suitable tolerance, as that’s much easier to achieve than high tolerance on the frame.
@philspencelayh5464
@philspencelayh5464 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting video. Apologies were made on a number of occasions for the noisy machines, doing their job. They were very quiet compared to the "music" which was not necessary at all.
@antonioraffa123
@antonioraffa123 3 жыл бұрын
Reassuring to see such marvellous and significant developments being achieved back in Italy 🇮🇹 Fortza Italia! Well done!
@Chrisrides
@Chrisrides 3 жыл бұрын
I think the mandrel is made out of silicon and then pressurised with a fluid so it's hard enough to hold a shape but can be "deflated".
@EtO124
@EtO124 3 жыл бұрын
Less Labour intensive, less time intensive but still the price goes up. Cycling industry is a joke.
@Coloneljesus
@Coloneljesus 3 жыл бұрын
RnD costs go up, marginal costs go down.
@chirpy999
@chirpy999 3 жыл бұрын
Its been like that for ever, someones making a fortune
@hectorchavez1807
@hectorchavez1807 3 жыл бұрын
It’s called capitalism.
@cjohnson3836
@cjohnson3836 3 жыл бұрын
Not fun also not secret fact; retail costs are almost never related to production. Marketing sets a target retail and then determines desired profit window. Engineers then design to fit the window. Not the other way around.
@ArthurD
@ArthurD 3 жыл бұрын
@@hectorchavez1807 and China got really good in it apparently. Chinese frames are made better by the day and are also cheaper than ones made by fancy brands. No overhead costs, no marketing BS, less labour costs.
@Wildschwein_Jaeger
@Wildschwein_Jaeger 3 жыл бұрын
Engineers assembling?...labor prices just went up.
@mr.z2618
@mr.z2618 3 жыл бұрын
this is uk wording, where engineer mean technician. TV engineer, air con engineer, maintenance engineer, service engineer etc. non of the is really engineer 😉
@galenkehler
@galenkehler 3 жыл бұрын
We need to crowd fund a 3T frame for Raoul to cut up and see if these bold claims are legit!
@c.g.c2067
@c.g.c2067 3 жыл бұрын
definitely 3t over German bikes
@englishcyclist
@englishcyclist 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent Infomercial, for a minute I almost thought I could afford a 3T haha then a trip to the website to get the pricing on the 60th year edition Europe: €19,610, USA $19,610 + $750 transatlantic fee (all shipping & duties incl).
@mitchellsteindler
@mitchellsteindler 3 жыл бұрын
It's a special edition. Only weirdos would buy that.
@leebackus9875
@leebackus9875 3 жыл бұрын
@@mitchellsteindler Weirdos with tons and tons of money.
@khazsilverstar
@khazsilverstar 3 жыл бұрын
Looks great, but with all this trouble, why not mold along the rear triangle? Seems doable with two extra parts in the mold. It seems there now are glued weak spots in key heavy-pressure structural areas?
@Calum_S
@Calum_S 3 жыл бұрын
A round bottom bracket shell? Truly a manufacturing revolution.
@allanfoster6965
@allanfoster6965 3 жыл бұрын
Possible Hambini video?
@404nobrakes
@404nobrakes 3 жыл бұрын
@@allanfoster6965 if 3T is serious, they'll make it happen. He's the only reason this conversation is even happening.
@allanfoster6965
@allanfoster6965 3 жыл бұрын
@@404nobrakes Tru dat😉😁👍
@mathewrose2951
@mathewrose2951 3 жыл бұрын
@@404nobrakes For those of us who only get a new frame every 5 years and put 100,000 km on it, I'd pick their frame over competitors that have recently been given the Sunday Roast treatment from Hambini.
@MrHansBattle
@MrHansBattle 3 жыл бұрын
Really cool video and very impressive "layup" and manufacturing technique for carbon (my background is in motorsports) -- would love to see an analogous video of an S-Works Tarmac or analogous frame being manufactured.
@randallsmith7885
@randallsmith7885 Жыл бұрын
Adaptation of Time Bicycles process. Glad to see this kind of innovation.
@DrChronic_DirtyDishes
@DrChronic_DirtyDishes 9 ай бұрын
I am absolutely obsessed with my 3T Exploro with Ekar and Shamal wheels! The best bike I’ve ever owned 💯🥂
@H4rd5tyl3
@H4rd5tyl3 3 жыл бұрын
I didn't know GCN was belgian like me, cool, I want that shirt please
@xandrovangoethem4081
@xandrovangoethem4081 3 жыл бұрын
the "secret ingredient" is UV epoxy resin, same type they use for sewage liners.
@miniac60
@miniac60 3 жыл бұрын
Might even be the similar to what I use to coat my printing too.
@billsomerset238
@billsomerset238 3 жыл бұрын
Great video. Makes me want to go buy a 3t.
@apicharjiratanan4285
@apicharjiratanan4285 3 жыл бұрын
Just carbon looks very pretty 😍
@yendoradon7836
@yendoradon7836 3 жыл бұрын
I appreciate you showing the manufacturing process. I ride a Time Alp d’Huez made using a similar technique. I will definitely purchase this TTT bike made using this weaving process.
@Reanimator999
@Reanimator999 2 жыл бұрын
Time Alp d’Huez is RTM, not similar technique. Time is almost 20 years ahead of 3T when it comes to RTM.
@jamiemackenzie9708
@jamiemackenzie9708 3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic to see a carbon frame made in Italy 🇮🇹 I think I may just get myself one!
@BurtsCram
@BurtsCram 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you guy’s once again going above and beyond
@bubblesezblonde
@bubblesezblonde 3 жыл бұрын
Dr Bridgewood is a treasure. Love his presentations.
@dzrdza
@dzrdza 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, if you like kindergarten science mixed with paid ads. Guys whom a proper cyclist should watch are Peak Torque, Hambini, Luetcher Teknik, Oz cycling, Shane Miller - GP Llama, Durian rider, etc. They are the ones who are not paid for advertisments. I think even Ollie is sometimes ashamed for having to jump hoops like a trained dog, instead of being proper reviewer and scientist (as he calls himself).
@andrewbardwell4832
@andrewbardwell4832 3 жыл бұрын
The whole point of carbon fibre is the the material has directional characteristics- you can orient the fibre in the direction of the load. Weave the fibre fails to take advantage of the full potential of the material.
@matteo.ceriotti
@matteo.ceriotti 3 жыл бұрын
I also thought about this. Surprisingly (or not), no mention of this issue in the video. Seems to me however that fibre angle can be changed in the weaving process up to a point.
@robertosottocornola
@robertosottocornola 3 жыл бұрын
Sometimes one right comment!👍🏻👍🏻
@clewk9557
@clewk9557 Жыл бұрын
Saw this video and went out and bought a 3T. Flipped it over one day and noticed a sticker on the underside of the frame that read made in Taiwan. Turns out not all 3T bikes are made in Italy. It’s an okay bike but probably would have purchased something else had I known.
@mikaelshikael
@mikaelshikael Жыл бұрын
Is the exploro pro made in italy or Taiwan?
@gabrielmark4732
@gabrielmark4732 8 ай бұрын
if it is a version made in Italy, it is made in presezzo, if it is not made in Italy, yes, it is the Asian version
@tbonestillz
@tbonestillz 3 жыл бұрын
Just bought a 1x Strada and I’m loving it 😍
@MazzaJ
@MazzaJ 3 жыл бұрын
“Greater consistency, voids and gaps/ensuring resin adhesion” all these concerns are the farthest thing from my mind when I blasting down a hill at 45-50+ miles on my Litespeed T1SL Titanium frame. Absolute peace of mind, and at 17.5lbs with pedals I’ll absolutely line up next to any of these ultralight Carbo/plastic/composite bikes.
@MazzaJ
@MazzaJ 3 жыл бұрын
Impressive manufacturing all around and glad Italian made vs Asian frames
@Abhitips224
@Abhitips224 2 жыл бұрын
It’s funny people try and make fun of carbon composites when modern aircraft like the Dreamliner is flying millions of people around the world and it’s made of carbon composite. A clear example of a lack of knowledge and feelings taking over. A well made carbon frame will blast down any hill without worry for decades. Colnago is a good example. Their C40, C50, EPS and C59 still blast down any hill and command high resale prices. Titanium is not a superior material to carbon. They are just both materials with different characteristics. There is sound reason it’s not used in bike racing except for chainrings and cassettes whereas carbon composite is preferred for the frame and everything else. When well made, it’s very light, very strong and no other material can currently come close. Goes to say it’s the preferred material for planes, race cars and high performance machines. Titanium used to be that exotic material 30 years ago and as good as it is, it never caught on even then due to the poor cost to performance ratio.
@bicyclist2
@bicyclist2 3 жыл бұрын
If and when Hambini gets his hands on one I'll know whether or not its good. I'm not a fan of bare carbon anymore. I used to be back in the early 2000's when carbon was still a pre-preg fabric. If I had the money to buy one I'd want it painted Italian red. Thanks.
@mofomartianp
@mofomartianp 2 жыл бұрын
LOL, If you asked him, he'd tell you he's the only competent engineer on the planet. Meanwhile hambini charges £300 for his bottom bracket - a piece of aluminum tube with 2 bearings XD XD Any machinist can make you one to the same tolerances for like £25. Hambini is a con artist and a piece of garbage.
@evilldead6824
@evilldead6824 28 күн бұрын
just got my Eploro and absolutely love it. Not to mention getting it for 1500 bucks from 4k!
@mib7483
@mib7483 3 жыл бұрын
This helped make my decision to purchase a 3T Exploro Max.
@FlowJunkie65
@FlowJunkie65 2 жыл бұрын
Lucky you, Ollie, that you got to test-ride this fab bike! :-) I wish Bianchi would use 3T-manufactured frames for their road bikes!
@derekness7900
@derekness7900 3 жыл бұрын
Sadly there’s nothing special about this. Making a preform using a carbon tow wit a UV activated binder and injection epoxy in a two part tool with internal bladder consolidation has been around for 40 years (Dowty propellers) . When they started I thought it would be novel like may towpreg in a two part tool - They should give that a go!
@lIIustration
@lIIustration 3 жыл бұрын
How do they remove the mandrel from the carbon fiber part after the epoxy’s cured? 5:30
@fraserdavidson6900
@fraserdavidson6900 3 жыл бұрын
@@lIIustration I’m thinking they design the tubes with a draft on them, so that they can cut the ends and slide them out. If you look at the tube he handles, it’s got a really fuzzy end that’s been cut.
@hotelzambia
@hotelzambia 3 жыл бұрын
@@lIIustration The mandrel is made from wax.
@lIIustration
@lIIustration 3 жыл бұрын
@@hotelzambia oh that is a great idea! Heat it up and let the wax drip out.
@derekness7900
@derekness7900 3 жыл бұрын
@@lIIustration The mandrel is only there during the layup. They remove it before cure and replace it with bladder that is pressurised what the mould is closed. It is like an inner tube. This is easily pulled out after cure.
@blessedheavyelements8544
@blessedheavyelements8544 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent Presentation Gents! Not university level but not grade school either. Good length. Excellent camera work and production values as well. Good job all! Best Regards and Best Wishes!
@malloooteke
@malloooteke 3 жыл бұрын
Love the belgium gcn shirt.. Is it availlable in the store?
@GCNuser123
@GCNuser123 3 жыл бұрын
sure is!
@cyclomalo3909
@cyclomalo3909 3 жыл бұрын
@@GCNuser123 Cant find them in the gcn webshop, only the frenc, spanish and italian ones. i need this home of cyclist hero's belgian shirt ! :D
@СемёнСемёнов-ы1ь
@СемёнСемёнов-ы1ь 2 жыл бұрын
5:22 How long does it take training to saddle on such a mandrel?
@AmaroqStarwind
@AmaroqStarwind 3 жыл бұрын
Think we'll see carbon chains next?
@ScottMoyse
@ScottMoyse 3 жыл бұрын
It was all amazing... until you showed the 5-Axis Maker being used to cut mounting holes.. I heavily question the repeatability of that hobbyist grade router.... it looks like 3T have modified it somewhat, but it's not an industrial quality CNC at all. Nonetheless, I'm still salivating and thanks for the video & insight into the facilities! I commend 3T from bringing manufacturing home through automation, if only other manufacturers followed suit!
@rosomak8244
@rosomak8244 2 жыл бұрын
It is industrial quality (you saw it used in the industry). Don't get a fetish about the required precision for those joints. Those are screw joints anyway.
@MrYoumitube
@MrYoumitube 3 жыл бұрын
That's great I really enjoyed the video, Can 3T now have their bikes back in stock!
@navicto
@navicto 3 жыл бұрын
But they’re employing robots IN ITALY!
@MrYoumitube
@MrYoumitube 3 жыл бұрын
@@navicto They are slacking off and should be sacked.
@RobinHood-yk8og
@RobinHood-yk8og 2 жыл бұрын
Those secret collapsible mandrils look like they could be really handy for other manufacturers.
@mikew9743
@mikew9743 3 жыл бұрын
As a current 3t exploro owner i certainly hope moving bak to italy will improve their QC Love my bike but it does creak once a while
@chrissinclair6086
@chrissinclair6086 3 жыл бұрын
I have the Strada Team. A creak once for me ended up being the SRAM dub BB (not my first bike with this issue until torqued correctly) and the next the pedals on the carbon crank arms. Frame has been superb. Always drawers comments does a 3T
@mikew9743
@mikew9743 3 жыл бұрын
@@chrissinclair6086 um.. I shall give that a try I am runin sram dub as well
@_Digitalnative
@_Digitalnative 3 жыл бұрын
My occasional creaking seemed to stop after about 1,500km. Quite happy with the way it rides now.
@robertosottocornola
@robertosottocornola 3 жыл бұрын
That’s one of fhe reasons to start production in Italy
@Refridge41
@Refridge41 3 жыл бұрын
Curious. Is the method called Pultrusion? The use of string type fibres to build the carbon along with resins to bond it together.
@johnkimball314
@johnkimball314 2 жыл бұрын
Pultrusion is a method to draw fibers through a heated dye and introduce resin. the end product is only linear profiles like tubes or rods.
@jc3496
@jc3496 3 жыл бұрын
Whats with the small tire clearance? Looks to me that a little bit of mud is going to grind out the frame
@8paolo96
@8paolo96 3 жыл бұрын
the racemax has really small tyre clearance in 700c but huge with 650b, with 700c you can fit 37/40c tyres and be super aero, more than that I won't feel safe. But i've seen riding it with 650b x 50c tyres no problem
@jc3496
@jc3496 3 жыл бұрын
@@8paolo96 i can believe that its works nicely at first. But the way i use my (cross) bike i need the clearance to compensate for the none straightness of my rims over time or spoke breaks that can occure. Even the tire deformation when cornering with low air pressure will make it touch the frame.
@D_isco_D_ancer
@D_isco_D_ancer 3 жыл бұрын
The sexiest frame design out there. No coincidence that it is Italian.
@jaivora423
@jaivora423 3 жыл бұрын
One of the BEST episodes ! Thanks for doing a GRAND job in explaining the new technologies being implemented in bicycle manufacturing. 👌🏼
@ThePMantis
@ThePMantis 3 жыл бұрын
I reckon Time has a neater approach.... similar process...just better. Can GCN give them some air Time...they deserve some positive exposure for using RTM manufacturing. I'm really hoping Time do well because I feel some of the quality of other approaches is inferior despite the ever higher, ludicrous prices charged. Lets hear it for TIME!!!!!!
@niels3426
@niels3426 3 жыл бұрын
Almost 500K congrats
@JC-pm5sh
@JC-pm5sh 3 жыл бұрын
Bike weight & Free hub sound?
@catladyrai
@catladyrai 3 жыл бұрын
GCN editors really like reverse water shots!
@MrDazP1adv3ntures
@MrDazP1adv3ntures 3 жыл бұрын
Well spotted !
@keithevans5667
@keithevans5667 3 жыл бұрын
And a campag Cork Screw! Oh YESSSSS
@yumedan
@yumedan 3 жыл бұрын
What a cool video and truly amazing bikes 🤟🏼😜🤟🏼
@mp.design
@mp.design Жыл бұрын
Toray M55J is 2x stiffer than the commonly used T1000 but also more fragile. Applied in the bb area must get an amazingly responsive frame.
@caperider1160
@caperider1160 3 жыл бұрын
Filament winding has been used by Time cycle, long before 3t right?
@louisyoko2723
@louisyoko2723 3 жыл бұрын
Time bicycles have been using this method for donkeys years. I like how this infomercial never directly claims that 3T are first to do it yet the general tone of it is that they are some sort of pioneers who came up with this process in house. Bit of f-ache news, eh?
@JR-wj9bh
@JR-wj9bh 3 жыл бұрын
They're the pioneer
@louisyoko2723
@louisyoko2723 3 жыл бұрын
@@JR-wj9bh Yeah, Time are the pioneer.
@JR-wj9bh
@JR-wj9bh 3 жыл бұрын
@@louisyoko2723 yeah, also 3T
@louisyoko2723
@louisyoko2723 3 жыл бұрын
@@JR-wj9bh yeah, you might want to check the meaning of the word pioneer.
@JR-wj9bh
@JR-wj9bh 3 жыл бұрын
@@louisyoko2723 Pioneer, is a Japanese multinational corporation based in Tokyo, Japan, that specializes in digital entertainment products. The company was founded by Nozomu Matsumoto in 1938 in Tokyo as a radio and speaker repair shop. Its current president is Susumu Kotani.
@amfinc2
@amfinc2 3 жыл бұрын
16:34 Is that a wine bottle opener? "Everything you could need to go for a ride" 🤣
@EtO124
@EtO124 3 жыл бұрын
Actually it is an campagnolo whine bottle opener costs 200€
@amfinc2
@amfinc2 3 жыл бұрын
I figured!
@banzobotic
@banzobotic 3 жыл бұрын
"If you give the same ingredients to a Michelin star chef, the meal you get at the end will be radically different", Me: "Yeah radically smaller"
@Thetoad738
@Thetoad738 3 жыл бұрын
Clearly that GCN hack has never worked in a kitchen or peered in one. Even the Michelin restaurant has Latin American cooks making the food. Marketing goes a long way.
@GCNuser123
@GCNuser123 3 жыл бұрын
@@Thetoad738 🤔 my best friend has worked in several michelin kitchens.
@rhubarbpie8709
@rhubarbpie8709 3 жыл бұрын
Michelin stars are circle-jerks for rich white restaurateurs and their admirers, all in the name of big bucks. And yes, most cooks barely get a living wage
@edwardcunha1629
@edwardcunha1629 10 ай бұрын
This is why I want to buy a 3T
@Алекс-г2щ
@Алекс-г2щ 2 жыл бұрын
Итальянцы меня поражают, какие крутые вещи они делают! Авто, мото, вело.🤯🔥🔥🔥🔥👍💪
@donaldostrem4982
@donaldostrem4982 5 ай бұрын
Let's not forget Italian food.
@wcannoy
@wcannoy Жыл бұрын
Those disolvable/wash-away mandrels are very handy...
@navicto
@navicto 3 жыл бұрын
I’ll save my excitement for when someone passes the savings in manufacturing to consumers.
@Aubreykun
@Aubreykun 3 жыл бұрын
It does happen, 3T just get the big benefits of it now for being the first who took all the risks of investing in the R&D and tooling up their factory with new custom-made machinery
@gpurkeljc
@gpurkeljc 2 жыл бұрын
That is certainly one beefy down tube. Does 3T have anything that is perhaps a little more svelte in the pipeworks?
@Ropetable
@Ropetable 3 жыл бұрын
amazing. bring back the industry.
@likemarksee
@likemarksee 3 жыл бұрын
The weave on that down tube looks incredible. I think Giant are another company that has the capability to manufacture bike frames from filament, but there are hardly any others?
@smithpauld1501
@smithpauld1501 3 жыл бұрын
My 2008 Specialized Roubaix Elite has beautiful blue clear-coat over the layup, which the Big Red S messed up with way to many decals. Regardless, I'm happy to see that kind of finish again.
@likemarksee
@likemarksee 3 жыл бұрын
@@smithpauld1501 probably pre-woven carbon sheet on the Roubaix.
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