Carbon wheels-brake pads,which to buy?

Carbon wheels require a carbon specific brake pad. This video will help you select compatible pads.

[@pottery1950]

Best rim brake tutorial out there!

[@chargers44k]

*Looked at a lot of options for getting my **Latest.Bike** . Great find in SAVA. Super light, nice components, really good value as it comes with many options only found in much higher priced bikes.*

[@MrNeurovegal]

This is indeed the most useful and informative bike maintenance video I've seen in a long time. Thanks for your work. Extremely clear and demonstrative.

[@franciscoalonsocolomalonso5546]

Hi Mr. OZ, really, for me, you are the best bicycle mechanic on the whole youtube, and I believe too, your are the best from all over the internet. Fantastic and greetings from Brazil. Thank you very much, Francisco Alonso Colom.

[@chiefrocker12]

Excellent Video. I am in the process of building up my first carbon wheel set, and all your reviews are very precise, especially when you were starting to do spectrum analysis on hub performance and putting into real world drag co-efficient. Too rights!. I would not expect anything else from a person from the city of churches. Cheers

[@LLroomtempJ]

Thank you for this video. This is very helpful. I just purchased my first road bike, a sava herd - it has carbon wheels and I've heard that it ships with brake pads that are not appropriate for carbon wheels. This video gave me much more information than I was seeking, but this is all soooo good

[@DANIEL-ls5ku]

Every time I watch you videos I always learn something new!

[@chrismason5179]

Very thorough and well presented as usual.

[@independentmind1977]

Those Baradine pads look a lot like the Reynolds Cryo blue pads that I recommend often. If they're anywhere close to the quality then they'll be amazing at that price, I might give them a shot

[@pgbus1]

Another outstanding video from Oz. Thanks

[@fireline122]

gosh best video explaining this... why you dont have more views.. so clear..

[@stevenleffanue]

+Fire Line1 Glad you found the vid helpful Fire Line1. Just uploaded it several hours ago...it will get more views in coming months :)

[@Alwen71]

A good idea that i use, specially when cleaning my pads after a bad weather, is by using fine sandpaper to take the rub off then clean it witch scotch brite. And to avoid squeaking brakes I use a rubber band between the brake levers and the inside of the handlebars to lock the callipers, then set the pads correctly and tight the bolds afterwards.

[@danfuerthgillis4483]

Weather it's Carbon Rims or Alloy Rims here is you should be braking ( done this for years) 1. Allow 3-4 mm on each side of the rim between the brake surface and rim surface 2. Setup the torque on the brake calipers to be softer ( less tension on front and back bolts equalized) 3. Now that you have the right clearance and the brakes are softer ( not hard to pull) step #4 4. Learn how to brake properly by alternating braking like this: Back to Front, Back to Front, Back to Front do this 4 times alternating back and forth ( half way on the brake levers just to make small contacts with the rim brake surface. Been braking like this for years now and it is similar to a Vehicle ABS system, also the pads will last years, the wheels will last years. For downhills this is extremely important to brake like this as this way there is much less heat in one area of the time if you had the brake pads closer and therefore were pulling levers heavy.

[@s1mpleniko488]

Thanks for this. The only difference on ABS is in cycling it depends on the rider skill. It is a basic skill but not everyone are learning this

[@danfuerthgillis4483]

S1mple Niko Yes it also takes some time to not be scared due to having the pads not close to the rims, but as you get more confident you can bring them out further as you get used to this different style of braking.

[@s1mpleniko488]

@@danfuerthgillis4483 yeah great and also for emergency stop I just put my weight at the rear and slam the brakes. Im sure that it is safe because of experience but kinda need to learn that

[@s1mpleniko488]

Just wanna know. Does braking too hard shorten the life of rims? About how many months or years its lifespan if used carefully

[@stevenleffanue]

No difference. If you dont brake at all they will last a lifetime 😂

[@AdamQueen]

That's why I was only using wheels with aluminium brake track, like RS81, since long down hill is quite common in my riding routine. And thanks to current disc brake trend, finally got full carbon wheels with disc brake.

[@stevenleffanue]

+Adam Queen Nice move Adam. Enjoy the dependability of your dusc brakes.

[@AdamQueen]

Yep, road hydraulic disc brakes are really nice, except the initial setup, which I chose the harder way, build from frameset and internal hose routing is really a hassle. Anything wrong means a new hose and re-bleeding. And the pads are, surprisingly, less durable than rim brake pads. My previous RS805 pads only last about 5000km and when I found the wear, the pistons were pushed so far away that took a lot of force to push them back. Hopes there would be some videos about road disc maintenance.

[@stevenleffanue]

+Adam Queen Sounds like youre getting very familiar with hydraulics,Adam. Yes,there will definitely be a need for vids on 'how to' for hydraulics.

[@DesChew]

Nice video. Appreciate your tip at the end of video.

[@benadrylion4678]

Are those baradine pads still your best recommendation for the price? Thank you very much, great video!

[@stevenleffanue]

They were at the time. Not sure what's available now as we are almost all riding disc brakes now.....sorry.

[@snowstorm504]

Thank you for this video 🙏🏼

[@scottsmith588]

Great video with sme excellent info on brake pads, braking and pad maint...well done.

[@tommonaghan111]

Really well planned video. Great stuff

[@aweryc]

Best ever video about pads! Thank you very very much! And Frome Russia With Love! Спасибо огромное! Просто огонь!)❤️👌

[@stevenleffanue]

Glad you like the info David and greetings from down under 😎

[@yourtht]

OUTSTANDING VIDEO THANK YOU

[@fredsanguino703]

super helpful vid I expect you continue with this chanel

[@dksrival15]

Thank You for sharing this information

[@tn9274]

Been using baradine blue pads for quite some time after watching your video. doesn't remember which one. however since I ride in relative flat area, the brake pad seems to last forever. recently just have quite burn mark after long descent on hilly ride. when cleaning, I feel the pad were not rubbery as new as far I can remember. can you confirm same experience of hardening pads after some time? should it be replaced? as for the skid mark, mine doesn't want to come off with soapy water and sponge. probably already baked to the brake track.

[@pedrodasilveira]

Very informative video. keep up the good work 👍

[@michaelwalsh5048]

Thanks for another great vid, liked and subscribed.One question: I bought the Yoeleo Wheel Set with 50mm rims for 25mm tyres. While I was replacing my Break Pads I found that the Dura Ace Brakes cannot be widened enough so not to have rim rub. Loosened the cable turned in tensioner ect. The only fix I have is opening the brake lever thingy to the open position. Apart from looking for thinner brake pads, do you have a fix for me. Thanks and keep up the great informative content.

[@stevenleffanue]

Difficilt to say without seeing your situation...Release the cable a bit or yes,use thinner pads.

[@alvarodigital]

Holy so much good information! Thanks

[@Sunday_Morning570]

Awesome video, thank you my friend 👍.

[@vaughanoneill8]

Hey +Oz cycle - great video as always. Can you recommend a method of cleaning the carbon brake track to remove pad residue? Cheers 👍

[@nichohmungah4200]

I would really appreciate to know the solution

[@stevenleffanue]

A dishwashing scouring pad with laundry liquid will do it Vaughan.

[@pedrodasilveira]

Great video. Thanks 👍

[@ahafeezs]

can you make video about disc brake pad? I'm planning to built a new bike with disc brake set up as well as building the wheels too. A few insight beforehand would have been a great help! cheers!

[@stevenleffanue]

+Abdul Hafeez Sadon Do you mean the 'pads' themselves or a complete bike?

[@ahafeezs]

just the pads themselves. I wonder if the pads between roadie braking system with the full hydraulic, semic hydraulich(trp hy/rd) and mechanical disc brake (trp spyre) have any differences.

[@TheBioAbyssal]

Brilliant video! Thanks for a the great info.

[@Thracium]

Thank you very much for the as always great review and shared information. I just found the BARADINE brake pads on Aliexpress! GOOD LUCK! P.S. I'm a little bit afraid from the carbon brakes on wet wether, I'm still waiting for my first carbon wheels but read a lot about the problems breaking on wet ... would you share more info after 7 years of the video :) about the carbon rim brakes on wet? :) ;) :)

[@stevenleffanue]

Same as alloy rim brakes - disc brakes are better!

[@stevenaraya2113]

I really enjoyed this video, extremely informative. I have a question, can I use pads for carbon wheels on aluminum wheels?

[@stevenleffanue]

Yes

[@useforstuffer]

outstanding! thanks

[@stevezodiac491]

I wouldn't have full carbon wheels for the reason carbon is a totally inferior braking surface for friction and heat dissipation to aluminium rimmed carbon wheels.

[@darkhero168]

Thank you Oz

[@charlieharper4975]

Excellent

[@cymonfeliciano7476]

My breakpads at the back are not high enough even though i already adjust it up fully but still the breakpads hit the rims and not the break line can i do something about it or just buy another caliper

[@AfonsoRamosmtb]

OZ, so the biggest problem is the brake surface right? Why not buy carbon wheels with aluminiun surface? Would this make a safer wheel?

[@stevenleffanue]

+Afonso Ramos True,alluminium brake track also has better heat dispersion. But a full carbon rim is one piece....it can be built as a stronger wheel. Alluminium braking surface rims have the alloy glued to the carbon. Ultimately up to the individual useage. Full carbon rim with disc brake...theres another combination . :)

[@pokerchannel6991]

Hi. Wold I b a crazed idiot animal if I were to try carbon paste on the carbon rim for gd braking? Thx

[@stevenleffanue]

Yeh,crazy,haha. Carbon paste is abrasive and would accelerate the brake track wear.

[@knutk.7062]

Thanks for the Video :)

[@stevenleffanue]

+Knut Knutzen Thanx for watching Knut.

[@akamaiathletes]

Do the baradine pads work well in wet conditions?

[@unogazzy84]

I bought the Mavic ex721 rim and for brakes, the Avid single didget 7. The avid pads gets metal shards very often and it sounds horrible. Is that because of the rim is bad quality or the pads? I've had bikes with rim brakes before and I have never heard that scratching noise like pads with metal shards make when touching the rim.

[@stevenleffanue]

+unogazzy84 Foreign matter comes from both the road and rim brake track. Unless you are riding where small bits of metal are on the road,especially in the wet,it will be from your brake track. Use softer compound brake pads...the ones you have are probarbly eating away at your brake track. If still no success get new rims. Also,regularly cleaning your pads helps as the metal shards in the pads will continue to dig into your rim.

[@user-rc8eq9jq4f]

great video i am using campy bora 35 and i am using cork brake pads and my braking surface is in great shape like new, but the braking on the rear is terrible when descending i fear for my life any suggestions?

[@stevenleffanue]

Try 'Swiss stop' brake pads.

[@kl-ke9ec]

I would say the braking surface is the only thing still preventing me from switching to carbon wheel. I have using apply wheel for years and I'm confident with it when I squeeze on the brake, understand the basalt surface offer heat resistant however its only has 2-3 year life span and there is no way to resurface it ? What you think on carbon wheel with alloy braking surface, it will add weight for sure but gives better braking performance?

[@stevenleffanue]

+k l Yes an alloy rim with carbon section will have alloy brake track which is harder wearing. However these wheels are not as strong as a full carbon rim. So it depends on your useage and weight demands on the wheels. Generally speaking they will be fine.

[@kl-ke9ec]

oz cycle interesting, are you saying to have the alloy braking surface will actually make the wheel weaker? Is that because less layer of carbon are used at braking track? Even the over weight is heavier with alloy braking surfaces

[@stevenleffanue]

+k l The glueing of carbon sheeting to an alloy rim is a weak spot.Usually the spoke nipples are attached to the carbon section which transfers the forces to the alloy rim through the bonding area. A full carbon or full alluminium rim has more structural integrity than a 2 part section-rim.

[@kl-ke9ec]

Thanks, I was always under the impression that Alloy integrated with carbon would be stronger, didn't realize they have to be put together that actually is point of weakness. I live southern California, getting the wheel wet isn't really my concern as we rarely rain here, I just worry about the downhill braking, it scares me frankly knowing that wheel will heat up and cause brake to fail as well as damage the wheel and tire.

[@stevenleffanue]

+k l If heat buildup is an issue on long decents,disc brakes would be ideal for you.

[@malikmahrez5248]

Thank you

[@mikeh6286]

Hi Steven, Mike here. Baradine has a few different blue carbon pads. I've seen model numbers like 453pro1&2,468,473 and I'm not sure which to try.

[@stevenleffanue]

+Mike H Hi Mike. 453 (green colour) is for ceramic braking track. 473(red),468pro & 468cc (blue) and 453 pro (blue) are all good for carbon brake tracks. 468sc are for alloy rims. Hope that helps :)

[@rb8001]

excelentes dicas! 🇧🇷

[@stuartdryer1352]

Thanks!!!!

[@johnjaredcalilung7282]

Will i place the pads just below the warning or maybe move a little increment lower ?? Hope you will reply thankyou

[@stevenleffanue]

Not exactly sure what you mean Johngo?

[@stoRmiman]

Good Video thanks

[@keithorourke30]

Hi the break track on my wheels have some smooth bits like the first example picture at 1:12 in the video, Does that mean they finished or just get better break pads , Thanks Keith.

[@stevenleffanue]

+Keith O Rourke Wear spots like that are common Keith. Most often it is the outermost hard layer which has worn down to the next layer, which is a slightly softer laminate. Its when all the layers wear down to the carbon fiber itself thst its time for new rims. Your brake track can still last 10,000km quite easily. Check your pads are clean of grit. If not already, use a soft compound pad...they sacrafice themselves rather than your brake track.

[@keithorourke30]

oz cycle Brilliant Thanks.

[@kikoy08]

This vid is just basically brakepad replacement, not what you need to use for different kind of braking surface

[@delsur66]

Hi Oz, i was thinking in toeing my pads as i wish they stop squeking, but don't you think this would make them act as a debris gathering point? Cause the proper alignment would not be achieved until a certain braking force is applied. Moreover if you make many soft brakings during your ride... I think brake surface life on the rim would be compromised.

[@stevenleffanue]

For carbon rims use a soft pad

[@delsur66]

@@stevenleffanue right now i'm using exactly those yellow ones you show on your video (Teamcarb). They didnt squeak on my first carbon rims but i got new wheels and they squeak on them... Guess not only the pads, but the combination with the carbon surface is the key...

[@christianoronaldo4409]

Awesome video

[@wagwanyute]

6:36 does anyone actually know what compounds are used in carbon specific pads? what is all the other silvery bits? if you look closely, even new pads will have sparkly bits in them not sure what their use is. both black prince and cheapo ashima carbon pads have tiny silvery bits in them. am I just crazy?

[@dmitryhetman1509]

Aluminum probably for heat transfer

[@mikeh6286]

Does anyone know what pad provides best stopping power in the wet? Lets say you're racing in the wet or touring mountains and have to descend in the wet. I would see myself swapping pads to something good regardless of lifespan or price.

[@111bonus]

Kool stop salmon is a popular one for wet weather. I think they are great but haven't tried any other ones specifically for wet weather.

[@cliffcox7643]

May I ask, what is the advantages of the direct mount brake, vs the older center mount brakes?

[@edwinzapata8904]

What about using carbon breaking pads with aluminium rims?

[@stevenleffanue]

+Edwin Zapata Yes you can

[@DK5stars]

Thak you 👍

[@johnnyboy4711]

how would you clean of the grit/accumulation on swiss stops for example

[@Drago0900]

Scrape it off after scrubbing with water

[@cliffcox7643]

I use fine sand paper to create a new surface and remove the glazing. then wipe off all residue with just windex.

[@steve97384]

@@cliffcox7643 don't use sandpaper as he told you not to in the video

[@stevenleffanue]

Pick out large matter with a dental pick. Then a metal file or gyprock sanding mesh to bring up fresh pad.

[@tn9274]

have you ever use shimano r55c4 carbon pad? hoping some information on it compared to swiss stop black prince or reynold cryo blue or even the recommended baradine.

[@stevenleffanue]

I chose Baradine blue because they are soft which has the least wear on the brake track. Harder pads like Swiss prince have good braking power but of course chew off the rims braking compounds quicker.

[@tn9274]

@@stevenleffanue interesting. i see the baradine visual appearance seems similar to reynold cryo blue (old version) and ritchey pad. thanks for your reply.

[@sherazasad3727]

@oz cycle what about swissstop yellow king flashpro ??

[@leandrorosemberg5318]

@@stevenleffanue and about the shimano r55c4 carbon pad?

[@codexTu]

@@leandrorosemberg5318 noise on dry, on wet bad braking. I will recomend to you others

[@giancarlorodriguez3876]

DISK BRAKES ??

[@markmarzan2743]

Road bike disc brake is sa solution 😊

[@celoxrynn7214]

where can you buy these baradine pads in Australia?

[@stevenleffanue]

Wiggle...branded 'lifeline'

[@durkaflip]

How do the Baradines compare to Swiss Stop Black prince brake pads? Did anyone try them both?

[@popitn2nd]

Are the baradine pads for carbon wheels Or aluminum?

[@stevenleffanue]

Blue ones for carbon

[@popitn2nd]

oz cycle Would you recommend Swisstop flash evo black prince brake pads for zipp carbon wheels?

[@stevenleffanue]

Yes

[@grabslide]

Strongest non squeky pads ?

[@stevenleffanue]

Swiss stop black prince

[@grabslide]

@@stevenleffanue thanks but carbon isn't for me, are bxp any good? Ordered them but I already wasted some mony on clear bmx pads - they hold the wheel really strong but because of squeking are not usable (odyssey gum/red are so far the best, reds are a bit sticky though)

[@DDGB08]

😊

[@user-sn4zp2ny5e]

change ya pads

[@xchubbyxwubbyx]

what if you have a basalt brake surface? can you still use those recommended brake pads?

[@stevenleffanue]

+xchubbyxwubbyx If you mean those blue,Barradine pads?...yes they are excellent on a basalt track.

[@xchubbyxwubbyx]

is there a way to private message you? i was not able to find the Baradine brake pads and also i have some other questions :D

[@stevenleffanue]

+xchubbyxwubbyx Yes,you can message me on facebook... Steven Leffanue or Oz cycle

[@xchubbyxwubbyx]

thank you, messaged!