CARDI B IS TUPAC? | All Out Show

In this episode, Jude and Justin talk Cardi B's new album, Invasion Of Privacy, her press run, and her admission that she works with co-writers. The discussion then turns to TDE President Punch's recent article in DJ Booth titled: Cardi B Is Tupac. Easily one of the best callers of the year.
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Justin Hunte is a former Editor-in-Chief of HipHopDX and creator of DX's popular series The Breakdown and #DXLive. Hunte has debated at the prestigious Oxford Union and is featured on Shade45's "All Out Show w/ Rude Jude," as well as Revolt TV’s “Revolt Live” Billboard magazine, digital campaigns for Lexus, Honda, Brisk, and Simple Mobile. Prior to joining HipHopDX, Hunte spent 5 years working in investment banking at Banc Of America/Merrill Lynch and has covered music, politics, and culture for numerous publications. He is currently based in Los Angeles, California.
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[@Tyleya]

Nobody is the new Tupac. I think we should stop comparing today’s rappers to the 1st 2nd and 3rd generation. Today’s Hip Hop is not the same as the 80’s-00’s.

[@KeyloWick]

Tyleya agreed as fuck

[@julianmccracken4663]

Tyleya Within this present gift of music, let the Ego,. go-“ Comparison is just an excuse for their pathetic front, or display of low life= Low SELF esteem. Learn yourself is what Mr. Shakur was speaking about amongst livin in, what hell he was living in, u can’t maneuver by self, unless self overstands thy body. Think, intelligently. Thank u. You.

[@sezarstar3990]

Only a few keepin it alive

[@mooravaccimusiccompany9081]

I just think my area was the Golden Era (90's)

[@bruceleeds7988]

Tupac? Cardi B ain't even on the Level of Missy Elliot

[@MegaTobins696]

Missy Elliot? Cardi B isn't even on the level of Nicki Minaj

[@memyselfi7608]

Bruce Leeds FACTS

[@glocknineteen9190]

MegaTobins696 CORRECT .

[@glocknineteen9190]

Bruce Leeds CORRECT .

[@MegaTobins696]

@Olivia Simmons huh? Are you replying to the wrong comment? I know she is a legend

[@HeyMrFarley]

Pac wrote and recorded Makaveli 7 day theory in 4 days Cardi can't do no shit like that lmao

[@HeyMrFarley]

basically lmao

[@ksager123]

Sean Vaughn lmao

[@MalikEKC]

2Pac died at 25 years old. NO ONE is the new 2Pac. His evolution as a human being in front of everyone in that short amount of time has not been seen in hip hop in the mainstream or underground before or since. No one compares to Pac.

[@tupacshakur3745]

I'm blushing thanks bro

[@ksager123]

Tupac Shakur lmao

[@venod3134]

MalikEKC period

[@AQGOAT24]

Cardi is 25 NOW with her own album

[@bacardim390]

You forgot about BIG fuck outta here sillynigga

[@ricardomarques5639]

How is cardi b remotely like 2pac wtf?? What the heck is wrong with these comparisons lmao, what's next, lil pump is the new nas smh

[@TheCompanyMan]

Punch, president of TDE wrote an article for DJ Booth comparing the two. We talk about it about halfway through the conversation

[@ricardomarques5639]

I know i saw the article, I think it's a ridiculous comparison tho lol

[@philosopher.d]

Lil Pump the new Rakim

[@ksager123]

Ricardo Marques he was trolling tupac's legacy

[@ksager123]

Dilan Ross lmao

[@jamesburgess2k]

I'm really starting to hate how people are starting to use 2pac's name so freely. Stop comparing newcomers to the highest standard in rap, because it'll never be a fair or even accurate comparison. If you want to say "old school/90s" then say that, but don't go Top Shelf with the goat. That's like me comparing every good nba rookie each year to MJ. It's not an accurate comparison and over time, it decreases the level we hold the greats. Punch is dumb as hell for this.

[@TheCompanyMan]

Think its fair to compare ben simmons to lebron?

[@jamesburgess2k]

The Company Man they actually have a fair amount of similarities. Like, it would be weird to compare him to Jordan, Shaq, or Kobe just because "they're good, so its a fair comparison." when there aren't any significant similarities. That's what many others are doing when they only bring up 2pac

[@TheCompanyMan]

agreed. Pac embodies so much more than rap and so many things within rap.

[@theresacarr9374]

Comparing cardi to pac is like Jordan to a new d-leauge player.

[@DanielFreeMan365]

James Burgess exactly

[@nicolasok6284]

I feel like Big K.R.I.T. is also a really underrated artist that's on the same caliber as Kendrick Lamar

[@TheCompanyMan]

Nicolas Ok he’s definitely talented. I’m a big fan

[@Renecide]

The Company Man Thoughts on his latest album? It’s personally my favourite double disc album ever, I love seeing both sides towards him: Big KRIT and Justin Scott 👏🏽

[@danteellison5233]

Nicolas Ok he has a song with Kendrick Lamar

[@scarecrow2811]

Nicolas Ok Krit is great but bitch? Dafuq that gotta do with anything?

[@danteellison5233]

Sucka Free because they were talking about Kendrick being great which lead to this conversation

[@marvinthemartian857]

Here's my analogy on this: _Ghostwriters are the ones who create images in colouring books. _Artists buy the books and add paint, crayon, pastel or whatever their flavor is to the pictures. _Now, you can appreciate the art for how it turns out, but to compare it to a Van Gogh or Picasso is ridiculous.

[@TheCompanyMan]

Marvin the Martian I’m down with that

[@dynamic9016]

Marvin the Martian lovely analogy

[@obriantucker2256]

Marvin the Martian when I hear you're analogy to me that sounds more like manufacturing.

[@teepaint6076]

Great analogy my friend👍

[@enricco1174]

this is brilliant. thanks for that analogy!

[@lasvegas.collective]

If Punch meant Cardi B is Tupac because of her relatability and realness and just ignoring Pac's social impact, then Cardi B is Lil Kim.

[@ksager123]

Carlos Fajardo cardi b is fake as fuck.

[@thenotoriousk.i.m5684]

Cardi doesn't compare to big eazy PAC kim foxy Missy

[@DaPhunkeeFeel1]

Obviously this is disrespectful to Tupac. Nuff said. But what I think goes unappreciated is how unfair this is to Cardi B. Folks should appreciate her charisma and relatability for what it is, appreciate her for who she is, without trying to find some mould for her to fit into.

[@bacardim390]

Sucka Free shut your fake hard ass up. Shut your fake hip hop head shit up. Just stfu bitch

[@NicS_313]

"The greatest co-writers[ghostwriters] of all time" would be a sweet list

[@TheCompanyMan]

RIGHT!!! I'm gonna think about how to put this together.

[@NicS_313]

The Company Man its an interesting topic. I agree with ghostwriters. But shine some light and inform us please! Thanks for program

[@Eighth.h8nry]

The Company Man Skyzoo is very open about ghost writing lol and a very underrated MC

[@TreFKennedy]

Pac is the most versatile artist in hip hop history ever

[@tupacshakur3745]

I went from California Love to Ghetto Gospel to Hail Mary and people still don't think he's versatile smh

[@detumus]

No

[@ksager123]

Devon Dsquared Deloney iLL Writers Guild who is?

[@detumus]

Ok 1st i have to ask whats your criteria for versatility?

[@firstnamelastname7473]

TreFKennedy uhh no my good man, that is eminem

[@empyrealone]

"Ice Cube writes the rhymes, that I say" ~ Eazy E, 1987

[@philosopher.d]

Russell Robinson No one calls Eazy the GOAT

[@KeyloWick]

I like Jude. I appreciate his honesty.

[@FrancisWilly96]

That’s a stretch, a really ridiculous stretch

[@bmst8236]

This felt like a blessing from the notification to the close. Good to see you back with the best pure hip hop channel today

[@TheCompanyMan]

E MAN!!!! What's the latest? How've you been?

[@bmst8236]

The Company Man just been working in the cut, building, preparing been super busy, How ya been, I'm keepin up with ya instragram looks like you been building up a wave under the surface. Love some of the new stuff you been doing, cant wait for it to all hit. The best has yet to come.

[@JordanClemons]

I still think Cardi B is just a trend. These labels are investing in trends, so Cardi fits that narrative. In two years, there will be another "trend".

[@ksager123]

Jordan Clemons facts

[@mattlloydy]

She’s dead behind the eyes

[@disloyalmoon6481]

Agree 100%

[@nishants2691]

i concur

[@lopezdube9043]

Precisely

[@AQGOAT24]

I'm a young (was like 2 or 3 when Pac died), and I think people really aren't giving credit to Tupac's intellect and social messages and activism. He has tons of interviews where he discusses political messages, inequality in the USA etc etc. Cardi B does none of this. Her music is purely about partying fucking dudes etc. Nothing wrong with that, but to compare to Tupac I feel you need much more than just being popular and making some hit records. Her interviews are not interesting at all in that she doesn't talk about anything compelling like Pac did. I love TDE, but Punch was jumping to strongly on the hype train.

[@bacardim390]

AQGOAT24 the person who made the comment has been in the music industry longer than you’ve been alive

[@AE-us9rw]

Exactly! In her interviews, she doesn't even talk like she knows what she's saying.

[@christopherkelly6666]

Daft af

[@Woodrow512]

@@bacardim390 yeah but that doesnt make it necessarilly true, what this boy is saying tho are facts, Pac got really involved with everyone, touched many topics that had to be discussed and made many people think in a wider spectrum. As a rapper, hes probably not the best, there are others that (always arguebly of course) rap better. But when it comes to diversity of topics in and out of music and social conciousness? Pac is number 1 no doubt

[@isaacsykes3]

Jude is a freaking beast!! LMAO!!! All music has regressed, my pop music was Prince..Dope!!

[@AceDelta101]

What. That title....

[@QuestionsAnswerz]

DistantStatic RETARDED TITLE.

[@12w0]

Tomorrow is Saturday. Will Justin finally have the answers?

[@abdulhamidketchman8599]

Yo....not hating. I love this too. But TBD is just so much more personal and focused and consise. We need more of them.

[@lonniewash5860]

PAC is pac, leave him alone and become u

[@DawryMike]

Can you really be considered a rapper if you don't write your rhymes. The medium relies on the lyrical ability of the rapper to get a message across. Unlike singing which emphasizes vocal performances rap is a form of storytelling. So if its not your story are you a rapper or a middleman? I can't answer that question

[@shaylajohnson7287]

mikeframbo ig That's a really good question. Is rap writing a story or the delivery of story? Idk.

[@DawryMike]

Shayla Johnson I guess it has skewed more towards delivery which is why ghostwriting is more accepted at this point. But if that is the case then I don't think you should be honored as a rapper. I don't know what genre that would be but if you can't write your own material I don't think you can be a rapper.

[@shaylajohnson7287]

mikeframbo ig I think that's fair.

[@KiiingDal225]

mikeframbo ig many great storytellers were telling other people stories those who create there own rhymes automatically get more respect but that doesn't mean the artist with ghostwriters should be disrespected since ghostwriters have existed since the beginning of hip-hop

[@DawryMike]

KiiingDal225 That's fair enough I guess. I think my issue more lies with like what Justin was referring to. Calling yourself the greatest even though it isn't your work. That's super frustrating to hear.

[@cyberjazz]

tl;dr Writing matters Damn Justin. The 'roids analogy is on point. No matter how much anyone loves Barry Bonds and/or Alex Rodriguez et al. you MUST consider what the effect of their steroid consumption has on their legacy. Just like no matter how much you like Drake's delivery, knowing that he has ghost writers means he's considered, by some, to be more of a production and a pop artist, which diminishes his claim at greatness or even if he is in the discussion. We know this instinctively in other genres of music and businesses. Steve Jobs is loved by the public for great looking machines, but his Apple co-founder, Steve Wozniak, is revered by people in tech. The best version of "How Can You Mend A Broken Heart" may be Al Green's, but the Bee Gees rightly get credit for penning such a fantastic song. And there is no wonder why Prince himself is revered, having not only penned all of his classics, but rightfully getting credit for ones he penned for others; so much so that inspired by her listening to "Little Red Corvette," and although she wrote the lyrics to "Stand Back", Stevie Nicks later said that it "belongs" to Prince because he wrote and recorded the synth parts that make it so memorable. More than any other genre of music, Hip hop has a history of awarding authenticity and ripping, or at least diminishing artist who fail that test wholly or even partially. Creating, which includes that authenticity along the writing, performing and lyricism, is a part of that expression. It's part of the reason why can we revere artist with varying qualifications; great ability even with small catalogs (e.g. Rakim, Notorious B.I.G., Lauryn Hill et al.), recognize skill and impact (RZA, Ghostface Killah, Pharoahe Monch, Redman, Tupac, Nas et al.), shower praise over longevity with consistency (Scarface, Jay-Z, Eminem, LL Cool J, Andre 3000 et al.) and recognize these qualities in up and coming artist (Kendrick Lamar, Lupe Fiasco, J Cole et al.). All of this reverence starts at the pen and is fine tuned with the other categories and qualifications. When Dave Chappelle was reflecting on Richard Pryor he said “The mark of greatness is when everything before you is obsolete, and everything after you bears your mark.” I would humbly add that your mark is diminished if someone else is holding your hand.

[@TheCompanyMan]

cyberjazz71 AWESOMELY SAID. Thank you CJ.

[@cyberjazz]

tl;dr Irreducible Complexity matters No, no...thank you Justin. From first catching you on The Breakdown to these amazing conversations with Rude Jude, you help keep fans honest and much less hypocritical when stating their bias. Here's one more thing to consider in this conversation. How irreducibly complex is the artist; meaning how much can you remove from what they serve up and still keep them in whatever conversation you're having? Without having a name for it, this is one of Rude Jude's most consistently strong arguments. When judging how great a rapper is, three of the base metrics are "content" (what is being said), "flow" (rhythm, rhyme), and "delivery" (cadence, tone). This is why Jude rightly gives so much love to Scarface as he consistently delivered on all three parts for over 25 years; latter year album sale certifications be damned. How much of the content and flow can be credited to the Emcee who uses ghostwriters? When one uses ghost writers, both content and flow are no longer the property of the Emcee alone. Without those base elements to ones credit, you can't be the greatest "Rapper." In the G.O.A.T Breakdowns and TBD's, it could be argued that you are NOT speaking about the Greatest "Rapper," but the Greatest "Rap Artist" of All time...Greatestofalltime!; and those that disagree most with you, like Jude often does, are speaking to the base sub elements of Emceeing only. The bonus points that come from album sales, streaming numbers, solo albums, cultural impact and longevity as the total artist are fair to consider in the G.O.A.T conversation, but if they are often built on some else's bona fides (producers, ghostwriters, musicians, publishing), that's a house built on a weaker foundation. As you mentioned, we may now be in the transition from ghostwriters to co-writers and we'll be able to give more credit to those who often do improve hip hop by putting the right words/content into the mouths of artist with excellent flows and/or delivery; just like "I will always love you" is better coming from the mouth of Whitney Houston than the songwriter, Dolly Parton. One could make the argument that ghostwriters are the lyricist for the Emcee they ghost for, as they supply the content and certainly influence, if not completely determine, the flow. An artist can shoot for that money and fame, like Cardi B said she was doing, and we can enjoy all they put out. Maybe even label them great in what they did do. You just won't, dare I say...can't, be considered the greater RAPPER of all time. "When I write my rhymes, every line is important to me. Every single word is important to me." - Boots speaking in Freestyle: The Art of Rhyme

[@creatrixZBD]

Perspicacious as fhuk, dude \m/

[@plutoh5791]

Very good listen. Glad you're back Justin.

[@TheCompanyMan]

Thanks Kalle!

[@Marilyninthemedia]

Wtf Justin! You disappear for a month and come back like it’s nothing and then do an all out show. Ok. Ok. 👌🏿 It’s all love though ❤️

[@lmspikes]

He deserves a break

[@scarecrow2811]

Marilyn Maitre Justin don't give a fuuuuck!

[@662chillin]

If the title would have said "Cardi B/Lil Kim" then I probably wouldn't have even clicked on it but when you get your Stretch Armstrong on trying to compare her to a legend like Pac after 1 freaking album then that's why many people are giving the side eye.

[@bacardim390]

662chillin lol stfu

[@picassospajamas8078]

I get the sense that young heads resent Tupac for his revered status and old heads just miss him. I can't think of any other reasons why all these lil's would constantly yap about how whack they think Pac is and why all these old heads are always looking for the new Pac. First they said Kendrick, now Cardi. People are wild.

[@TheCompanyMan]

Jude's got an interesting perspective on that. I think it's probably a little of both. We get to Punch's comparison midway through.

[@ricardomarques5639]

Hey not every young head hates 2pac or 90s rap music, I love pac and i'm only 18, I think he is easily 2pac top 10 rap artist of all time

[@TheCompanyMan]

Who are your other 9?

[@ricardomarques5639]

nas, mf doom, biggie, mos def, jay z, Kanye west, andre 3000, scarface, dmx

[@TheCompanyMan]

"Ain't nothin wrong with that"

[@bmore24t56]

Dude it makes my day when you upload. I literally was about to order a pizza. lol Btw I'm 20 years old I love 2pac, I did years of research back when I was 14. I actually got love for Cardi b also, I really support her. She surprised me with a really good album.

[@TheCompanyMan]

Thanks Bmore!! Dropped a full 34 minute episode since I've been gone so long. I'm a fan of Cardi and her album. She seems authentic to me.

[@eddibower]

We do not live in the era of hip hop. Everything now is pop rap - so the same rules dont apply. Its a different game now.

[@SheenEstevezzz]

Dude I like them but Big Sean is def pop rap, Logic, Lil Uzi and Migos too. Id say if you're looking outside of pop rap (which isnt inherently bad) ur looking at people like Vince Staples, Earl Sweatshirt, Tyler, TDE shit like Isaiah, Q, Jay Rock etc., Danny Brown, Noname and the rest of chicago like Mick Jenkins, Vic Mensa, Joey Purp, Pro-Era, Flatbush Zombies, Beast Coast in general. Once u have listened to all them and more get back to me

[@Woodrow512]

In general it is yeah, for me the time when hip hop was bigger was best, but we still got pretty lit young rappers coming up that aint poppy, like Joyner Lucas or Dax. Hip hop is starting to have a revival it looks like, and while the legends will always be there, im hyped to see new rappers come up

[@dominicsouder4938]

Today's main stream stuff just doesn't seem like art. Pac's stuff was art. Now the question to ask is "what is art?" Michael Angelo made amazing art, so did Andy Warhol - both are extremely different in appearance. Food for thought when thinking about today's people and the "classic" artists.

[@TheCompanyMan]

People debate Warhol often. Pop art is like the mumble rap of it's genre.

[@dominicsouder4938]

I think that is a fair statement, with all respect to Warhol and what he does. But would I ever say I think Warhol is a better artist than Michael Angelo? No. I may say I enjoy his work more, but I think there is a clear distinction in the magnitude, message and beauty of the art. That is the biggest thing that pisses me off today - when I hear comparisons of today's artists that are singing about whatever was trending on Twitter that day to past artists that changed how I viewed the world for the better and I think added to the common good of humanity, it kinda hurts.

[@sphakamisozondi]

best ghostwritters, in no particular order. 1. biggie smalls. 2. Royce da 5'9. 3. rhymefest. 4. Jay z.

[@soberhippy8240]

When are you releasing that episode with MURS?

[@TheCompanyMan]

Sober Hippy I dunno. We should. Haven’t talked about it yet.

[@bmst8236]

Cardi b is perfect for instagram.

[@ksager123]

Mr E Man *backpage

[@backpfeifengesicht8415]

just as fake and shallow?

[@christopherwashington2460]

I've been fiening for new TCM like Ezel from Friday

[@TheCompanyMan]

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[@DanteFiero]

RMG Entertainment Smokey is that you back there takin a shit?

[@lunasmileyy]

Jude looks so weird without his glasses. Like why yo eyes so wet wtf

[@TheCompanyMan]

Ha! I don't think I even realized he wasn't wearing glasses?

[@Ainttrippin]

Luis Luna he's on that molly

[@brendenm9392]

The Company Man he doesn't blink either, watch 1:51

[@Woodrow512]

@@brendenm9392 yeah, big blue unblinking eyes, I love Jude but his look can be so damn creepy hahaha

[@furiousstyles2530]

Oral B is the human car alarm. Facts.

[@RamRam-eu7td]

Good to finally get a video from the company man already (Justin) thanks!! 🙏

[@TheCompanyMan]

Ram Ram 🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿

[@RamRam-eu7td]

Sucka Free God bless you brother.

[@scarecrow2811]

Ram Ram I'm sorry man I didn't really mean it. I was just trolling for fun to see how it felt. I didn't see anything from your mom.

[@bravoanane]

It’s not difficult! You are a rapper. That is your job. Writing raps is the minimum requirement. Minimum requirement! What else are you doing?

[@yeyeboy5050]

Shit right when I started missing the All Out Show. Are you going to post the 2pac notes as a separate video? That's what I'm really eager to listen to.

[@TheCompanyMan]

Edducate yep yep.

[@ihateflatbunz]

cant wait for that video

[@mesgna]

I don't think its a fair comparison in any level. Musically he has got a wide range of content ; class struggle , race issue , problems of inner city . i think Americans take 2pac for granted. Pac is so big ,he has got murals in the shanty town of Kenya , in the favela of latin American. Pac message translate to a global struggle. Cardi B is a classic example of American dream : from rugs to richness which the rest of the world doesn't necessarily relate to . The only arist i can compare pac is Bob Marley , although he was reagge singer.

[@DPAFLESHER]

I understand the irony of what I'm about to say, but I hate a lot of the hate that's directed at the "new school" of rap. I feel like there's so much good hip-hop right now, and yes, there's definitely some stuff deserving of critique, but it seems like old heads like to think everyone putting out music right now is a "mumble rapper." Drake, Cardi, Chance, J. Cole, Wale, Kendrick, Nicki, Joey Bada$$, Nipsey Hussle, and more I'm forgetting right now have been putting out great lyrics with "emotional depth" recently and we'll probably get even more great hip-hop from Kanye and others in the upcoming months. It seems like complete cherry picking to say "I still listen to Illmatic" - like, congrats, you still listen to one of the top ten hip hop albums of all time - obviously you can't compare that to every artist on the Billboard top 200 this week. I'd say there are other eras of hip-hop much more deserving of this kind of backlash (I can't remember nearly as much GREAT music covering all the Bars/Emotional Depth/Sounding Good realms in the Soulja Boy - Tyga era) . So yeah, maybe the article is reaching a bit with the Cardi Tupac comparison. But given Cardi has never once claimed any of the motivations Tupac has, it's irritating to listen to people hate who clearly haven't listened to her album.

[@DPAFLESHER]

And I love Jude, but same with Prince vs. now comparison. There's MAYBE 3 artists on the level of Prince. I listen to the 80's pop station on XM. Not all of it is Prince.

[@TheCompanyMan]

Thanks Dan. I think right now is the best era of music ever.

[@DPAFLESHER]

Is that normally your opinion (i.e. that as music progresses, it gets better, so almost always "now" has the best music)? Or that there are ups and downs and this era is particularly good?

[@TheCompanyMan]

I think there are ups and downs. 04 to 2010 were super subpar. I think the access and variety are off the charts right now.

[@jamesburgess2k]

Dan Flesher I think that comes down to the fact that there's a "Filter of Art" as time goes by. Basically, we only remember the good stuff and the bad stuff fades to obscurity. The late 2000s was great for hip-hop, with kanye reaching mainstream, Lil Wayne and his impact on guys like drake and Nicki, the Atlanta trap music with T.I., Jeezy, and Gucci Mane's influence on later (now current) trap climate. When as a whole, it was the end of the terrible bling era and rise of the internet rappers who dramatically saturated mainstream rap. So I think, 10 or 20 years from now, we will see just how special this era was. It'll take time for everyone to appreciate our generation.

[@TPBCollector]

DOC and Skillz best ghost in history. And yeah, hell nah Cardi B ain't no Pac. Stop watering down Pac's name.

[@UrbanLegend2k11]

I think Punch meant it as attitude wise. Not as a total embodiment of Tupac, which everyone knows she is not. Great video as always. Jude is a giraffe by the way. Oh have you thought about putting these on Stitcher?

[@TheCompanyMan]

UrbanLegend2k11 stitcher?

[@AQGOAT24]

But see Tupac attitude carried into serious topics like income inequality and the struggle of black people in the USA. Cardi is very surface level in her attitude.

[@UrbanLegend2k11]

AQGOAT24 Yeah man, I totally agree with you.

[@420Ruger]

Wat up jus!!!! Where da phuck you've been? There's been a drought and people is thristy.🤓😫😀

[@TheCompanyMan]

Force Ghosting FG!! Great to be back. Been traveling and learning from brilliant people and grabbing content. You’ll definitely approve.

[@420Ruger]

The Company Man very nice my dude. I didn't think I would like cardi b's album but surprise, surprise it's actually kind of fuego. She need to give her ghost writer a raise for real, for real.

[@TheCompanyMan]

I love it

[@JJB855]

Loving the videos at the moment, keep them coming! There's no doubt however that no one will ever come close to Pac, he kept it real and has brilliantly covered issues other rappers can't even dream of, whilst also having an entertaining 'gangster side.'

[@TheCompanyMan]

Well Said.

[@Tod-sc4lm]

Good to have y’all back.

[@TheCompanyMan]

Thanks Gods Son! How you been?

[@Tod-sc4lm]

The Company Man Doing great thanks for asking. Getting my financial state in order but besides that I’ve been blessed.

[@TheCompanyMan]

Great timing for that. I've had to rearrange a few things after the tax reform passed last year. It takes a lot of focused. Glad them blessings are rolling in for you.

[@Tod-sc4lm]

The Company Man Thanks man. I look forward to many more conversations y’all have.

[@fredrickjohnson7711]

big k.r.i.t.

[@ummmnish]

I almost disliked this video on the title alone, but because it's Justin I stayed away from it just to hear them out first.

[@TheCompanyMan]

Jess Moss 🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿

[@LudaQuixx]

I think the biggest problem is the phrasing. Punch obviously wanted attention and said "Cardi B is Tupac" rather than a more agreeable title of Cardi B is derivative of Tupac and embodies some of his good social icon qualities. He knows Cardi B is nowhere near the level of Tupac, he specifically worded it to stir up the pot and its kinda sad yet prevalent.

[@TheCompanyMan]

Thanks, Tairi.

[@devzeppilin]

Best ghostwriters/co-writers: Ice Cube Sauce Money The D.O.C. Mel-Man The Notorious B.I.G. Curren$y & Gillie (Lil Wayne in his prime) CyHi tha Prynce Rhymefest

[@purenotorious5263]

DJ Devinstation jay? Vybz? Mc ren

[@joshuarose4274]

You left out Royce da 5'9"

[@devzeppilin]

Joshua Rose Yes I did, add him.

[@jarethcruz2627]

These are the ones you know about

[@devzeppilin]

Jareth Cruz Basically.

[@TStamp-lw4ku]

Jude says don’t go anywhere then the video ends lol

[@TheCompanyMan]

Ha! We have another segment where we talk the makaveli liner notes. I'll upload that one as well.

[@TStamp-lw4ku]

The Company Man nice 👍

[@TMScott101]

We waiting on ya man. #YOUHAVETHEANSWERS

[@cliterally1791]

Also Eazy E and Bushwick Bill apparently are puppets now. And outside of rap, what about Frank Sinatra? R&B, soul, and jazz singing are riddled with covers. Writing and performing are two different skills, and just because traditionally in hip hop artists have been expected to be skilled in both doesn't mean someone skilled in one or the other is any less talented at what they do. There are plenty songwriters with no voice or charisma and people don't bash their art.

[@TheCompanyMan]

Peter McDermott hip hop culture has different covenants than mainstream success.

[@theresacarr9374]

Yes it does it not hard to read\cover rap song. It closer to talking. Dr Dre janye get passes cus we look at them as producers first. That where there skill lies.

[@devzeppilin]

Where'd Justin get that Scarface shirt?!

[@TheCompanyMan]

I made it. It's for sale on my shopify page. thecompanyman.myshopify.com/

[@devzeppilin]

The Company Man Definitely copping that and the EMOTIONAL DEPTH piece haha.

[@ARx0xoo]

I can enjoy your music if you dont write your own music or not. But to say youre the best when you cant even come up with a hook/bars, concept, or whatever without another persons assistance is nutty. Its like comparing a artist making a painting from scratch to a person tracing/coloring another persons already made picture. Also, leave Tupac the fuck alone already. How does a goofy, pregnant, rapping, former stripper, reality star, with one album remind you of Makavelli? Couldn't be farther from the truth. Lil xan is ice cube too?

[@memyselfi7608]

Itsjust AR 👏👏👏👏

[@LBIIIYouTube]

Justin... Why you keep leaving us, fam!?!? Hip Hop today needs you! Vid was intelligent and thought provoking as usual. Didn't know this debate was even a thing. Yeezus!

[@TheCompanyMan]

Thanks, Leon. Season three is coming. I've been traveling quite a bit, doing a bunch of research, learning from brilliant people. Turning my Ls into lessons. I'm really excited about the new content that's on the way. Thanks for checking the episode! This is my favorite with Jude since the great kendrick lamar debate.

[@LBIIIYouTube]

The Company Man Can't wait for the next season, Company Man! Yeah, this ep was def interesting. I understood what both sides were saying but in the end, guys like Pac are too high in too many people's eyes so comparisons should never feel like a half step. When they do... we get this.

[@Ryattt81]

I think it may be a generational gap. I come from an era of hip hop fandom when we directly connected the artist to the art. We were listening to what the person had to say because we enjoyed the way they delivered it. Now, with instant and fleeting fandom I think the youth are more impressed with a person for being able to cut through all the people who have the platform to become a celebrity. It dosent seem to matter how they got there. A "rapper" can now get respect for understanding the trend and knowing what resources to tap. I find it bogus, but have to recognize that Hollywood is an industry that is built entirely on interpreting other peoples art in a way that will appeal to the masses with the caveat that rap is more like poetry and would be more like a person getting insanely famous for reading the poems of Kipling or Frost, instead of the poet themselves. My issue is the comparison to Tupac using mundane descriptions that almost everyone embodies if they were to become famous. I think of Card I B as the flavor of the month and Jude is right, time will tell if that's right or wrong, the issue is that time has to pass before insinuating a connection to a legend like that. In 10 years if someone said that it could be understandable.

[@lord2ndgoodvibes]

Cardi dont have the 2pac work ethic cardi is 25 years old pac died at 25

[@TheCompanyMan]

She may not have started as early. But Cardi's a workhorse. One of the few traits I think they have in common.

[@TheCompanyMan]

Fax. But I think he'd fuck with her as a person and as a brand.

[@CaramelMamiChula]

The Answer I gotta see the video of him speaking against artists like her.can you please send me the link?

[@CaramelMamiChula]

The Answer now I get what you’re saying

[@TreFKennedy]

Dope vid Justin ✊🏽✊🏽✊🏽✊🏽✊🏽✊🏽

[@TheCompanyMan]

TreF! Thank you brother! This is one of my favorite convos we've had since the great kendrick lamar debate.

[@TreFKennedy]

The Company Man truth homie, we need more of you and Jude for the culture

[@TheCompanyMan]

More coming. Thanks Tre.

[@ohsosaucy]

What about Kanye is he doing the same thing? Can he say he is the greatest? I've been thinking about this.

[@TheCompanyMan]

Kanye wrote his own stuff for a long time, and wrote for other people too. I think he's done enough in his early career to warrant inclusion. But fair question, definitely.

[@ohsosaucy]

The Company Man whew that's a relief cause I kept hearing that someone like Cudi or Chance wrote for him. I would say Ye meets up with what Punch was talking about in his comparison to Pac. I for one think Ye is the most influential rapper

[@theresacarr9374]

Kanye is a producer first, he's like Dre in my eyes,makes best music but I don't rate them as best mc s ever

[@swaggerlikecolgate]

no he hangs with trump and married to the kim .. wtf does that have to do with pac and the black panther movement lmao .. kimye another one of his nicknames also currently has pink hair at 40+ age .. im gone

[@ivangomez1955]

Finally... gettin' my TCM fix 👏🙌

[@ljbeats00]

Alot of these old artist been using a ghost writer, they just ain't being exposed back them because there wasn't any social media like there is today

[@shaylajohnson7287]

I got so excited to see this in my notifications! I was worried you disappeared. :o I made sure I clicked the bell after this.

[@lilliamcruz6778]

People find out a rapper had a writer, and they think EVERYTHING she does is from another writer, so Kanye West is not a hip hop legend and he's not one of the most influential people in hip hop because he had a few songs that got wrote by him?

[@TheCompanyMan]

I think there's a difference between working with writers and needing writers. All artists when they're reaching for success on the next level need collaborators, if for anything cosigns and votes. There are a lot of artists that were never really rappers or emcees that were given songs because they sound good.

[@TheCompanyMan]

Kanye's a great writer. He wrote tons of hooks for artists, including dmx, Jay Z, John Legend. He's also super witty and comes up with great concepts. He just had terrible flow.

[@TheCompanyMan]

Ye definitely fathered a generation. I'm not at your assessment.

[@losgryfog]

Dub Dueces We are witnessing the "video killed the radio star" era of hip hop. Current "Rap Fans" don't care about Hip Hop. period. That's the answer to this entire video. There are racist white kids they call Tupac the goat. They don't adhere to a single trait of Pac's philosophy, but they jack off to the image, branding and that's all. The idea of a "rapper" that doesn't need to BE a rapper, but rather a karaoke performer is equivalent to a guitarist that doesn't play guitar or a drummer that doesn't play the drums. A rapper is a creative force, once that is attributed to someone else, then whoever you hear on the record is not a rapper, but simply a performer. There isn't anything wrong with liking the music, but there also is no debate. a better example is a fashion model, tyra banks is a model. she wears the clothes, she doesn't make the clothes, so no one attributes creative acknowledgement to her. rap is the only place wear this is a debate, the performer doesn't create, yet "fans" still want to credit them with the creation. How many beats do people created drake with, when drake says on the track that boi1da made the beat?

[@TheOtherMJ_76]

I think they do have a space to recognize the ghostwriters and/or co-writers if you want to call it that. I think Kia Shine made news a few years back winning BMI awards for co-writing Drake's stuff on "Best I Ever Had". I agree with Justin and Jude, you can't claim greatness if it ain't coming from your pen.

[@bmst8236]

The female caller a the end was on pointt

[@scarecrow2811]

This clearly don't got shit to do with Jude so don't try it but this whole topic comes from allowing all these outsiders to come into hip hop and we have to talk about and listen to this unadulterated horse shit these days. It's to the point where this whole thing is being completely destroyed and rewritten. There are some van shoes named Tribe Called Quest. You now that idea didn't come from anyone except but an outsider. I refuse to repeat anything in the title or even think about it. Jude said he don't respect it and I don't either. Backsliding is on the horizon.

[@bmst8236]

Love the zoom on judes head right after he gets intense on transgenders lol cinematic

[@themagnifly]

Son of a black panther, revolutionary, actor, wrote his own raps.

[@harvident5703]

good to see you posting.when you go weeks without post I feel like a family member might be in trouble. hope all is well in you personal life...God Bless

[@TheCompanyMan]

Harvi Dent thank you harvi. “A self imposed exile, learn to let the awesome out.”

[@JB-mi3wb]

So about them Makaveli liner notes?

[@kashamir1584]

Get set up robbed and shot at while everyone is trying to play you....liners explained.

[@anthonyponce4576]

Rude Jude and Mr Justin Hunte back in my sub box it's a good day indeed

[@philosopher.d]

Jude's face @13:18 is exactly what I feel when I read a title like this

[@yungndb]

I love that giraffe example the jude made😂

[@selfelevation7]

Yo! That article dude wrote is Idiocracy!

[@TheCompanyMan]

GREAT MOVIE!!!

[@selfelevation7]

The Company Man Indeed! Oscar worthy!... Man get the FOH! ... Smh & lol!... I swear shit like this is done on purpose!.. def Oscar worthy!

[@renzelkamuro2944]

Tupac is literally the Mohammed Ali of Hip hop.

[@SamA-cl5pn]

"Don't Change the Chromosomes" 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@casillasscorer]

In regards to the caller talking about 6 rings, bill Russell has 11 rings and I never here him called the goat

[@TheCompanyMan]

And he was a player coach... And he was the first black coach in professional sports...

[@IdeaStudioBKK]

Got some new TCM! good convo. I'll be honest, it feels like so many people toss people in to the same realm as Pac just to get some buzz.

[@kh7688]

That stuff is "So Far Gone" now. I like what you did there Justin.

[@danteellison5233]

I've been waiting for this one thanks Justin

[@TheCompanyMan]

Thanks for rocking with us Dante!

[@danteellison5233]

The Company Man do you think jude would respond the same way with eazy E who didn't actually write rhymes

[@TheCompanyMan]

He talks about it in this episode. This is probably my favorite episode since the great kendrick lamar debate from a year ago. Jude breaks it down.

[@danteellison5233]

The Company Man ok but don't you think flow,delivery, and style cancel out certain things like writing and could let someone be the greatest

[@TheCompanyMan]

I think if they didn't write it, chances are they didn't come up with the flow and style. Possibly not even the delivery. It's the difference between being a great actor and being a great actor who wrote the movie as well. It's a significant chunk of the pie to exclude.

[@danteellison5233]

Original rap was party rap. "Make money money take money money." Was an old school rap chant: early 70s Rap wasn't really socially conscious until the very very late 70s and early early 80s.

[@danteellison5233]

Walking Classic yeah a lot of people like to act like rap was very very concious at first

[@philosopher.d]

Dante Ellison In the talk of the Greatest of All Time I have never heard of any rapper older than Rakim or Big Daddy Kane even brought up.

[@ashleywatts888]

Dante Ellison actually I would say rap started in the late 60’s when black poets would do spoken word over jazz music. The Last Poets are a super early influence on hip-hip

[@iatialove3143]

1st of All..JUSTIN, u the MAN!!! last journalist IN HIP-HOP!!!!!!!!! don't EVER FORGET that WE (Hip Hop Head, Real Heads) RUN HIP HOP n they will NEVER stop seeking OUR APPROVAL!!!!! so we gotta keep the foundation tight! y'all ain't old. y'all CLASSIC. BIG DIFFERENCE.

[@judbakilam]

This aint the type of channel that needs click bait to get an audience. Most of the people on this channel know and respect Pac and Hip Hop.

[@abstractrealitytim9672]

Thank you Justin your hip hop rating of cardi b's album is the most accurate rating I have heard online and it's how all these fake artist should be judged and rated .

[@xkreaminjhaukinx8650]

You can compare anyone to any great if you try hard enough people do that to validate liking a certain artist and that just proves how much people care what others think

[@rasmussten1206]

Took me far too many minutes before I realized that they were talking about Cardi B being the new 2pac and not Cardi B being 2pac

[@AE-us9rw]

Nowadays, it seems like everyone wants to compare Tupac to themselves

[@fcthree6700]

"How bout dat girl" shoulda been her rap name! lol

[@yungndb]

"Cardi B's album is a really good album. It's balanced, established, vulnerable. But ima give it a 1.5"

[@bmst8236]

Cardi good and marketable but justin reading that tupac link of lineage to cardi n seeing judes lightbulb go on is better....

[@bloodlinehunter]

Justin is an intellectual giant!

[@tezza8061]

I don't think we'll ever see another PAC, not in our life time anyway. Dope conversation, I wish you'd put more videos out though.

[@joyman07]

Rude Jude Has The Crazy Eyezz lol

[@user-me2fo2tw9c]

Justin where you at? Need more breakdowns from the wisest man in hip hop media

[@Purlyfe]

This is a very interesting dynamic. Though I respect Nicki, I'm not a fan. But she has very strong presence and that is a force to recognize.

[@sephirothprime8403]

Flat out...no she is not. She’s fire but she’s no where comparable to Pac even though she’s all about the women’s power movement. It’s just no comparison. Sorry Cardi, still got love for you tho. Now...can we please stop trying to find a place to put crowns legends died with? These men are and were kings in their own right. Y’all worse than tomb raiders in Egypt with the comparison talk. Smh. I shoulda known these unwarranted comparisons were going to be a thing since people started comparing ‘bron to Jordan, and Jordan ain’t even dead yet! And please don’t tell me it’s for views. J Hunt you got more clout than that. If it’s company pressure tell em step off. Fo’ Real.

[@TheCompanyMan]

Nah. It's the title of Punch's article on DJ Booth. We transition to it 15min in or so.

[@sephirothprime8403]

The Company Man full disclosure I did not make it that far. I am just too through with the comparisons. I will watch the full interview after I finish my assignments. My blind opinion let the new artists create a legacy of their own without the comparison. I’m a true hip hop head. Grew up on it since ‘84 and made some money from it here and there on my own skill. Even with my talent I wouldn’t be comfortable with anyone comparing me to Rick Rubin, Dre, JMJ, Primo, Capri, Timbo, Swizz, Pharrell, Mannie...you get the picture. On the other hand, I wouldn’t allow it either. It’s just disrespectful to the goats and ghosts. Much love and keep doing your thing! Been down since the breakdown and imma stay down.

[@a_lacan6870]

She ain't Pac, but I guess you could argue that she exhibits a cult of personality. (22:10) And, Pac obviously didn't think Biggie was really the King of New York.

[@hondafan163]

THIS IS THE TRUTH JUSTIN AND MR JUDE