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5 Once Oppressive Decks That Are Just Bad Now

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Cardmarket - Magic

Cardmarket - Magic

Күн бұрын

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@CardmarketMagic
@CardmarketMagic Жыл бұрын
Find the decklists here: bit.ly/40bqktA
@lucasporter726
@lucasporter726 Жыл бұрын
Man, the love Cardmarket has of older formats and high power interactions has me salivating over Thoralf and Carl throwing down some Canadian Highlander.
@barath4545
@barath4545 Жыл бұрын
Yeah not even kidding - I got a bonus and decided to buy out 90% of my childhood monored Revised "oldschool"/"93-94" legal deck I played back then. Only I got every single card in Unlimited versions - Not cheap, but dealers just had the cards and only one didn't arrive and I got a refund (a Dragon Whelp so eh). I tried to spec the buyer matcher to all Beta versions but it would have cost 4500 euros LOL.
@reecepate2865
@reecepate2865 Жыл бұрын
i would love to see a canlander episode omg
@juangmalta
@juangmalta Жыл бұрын
You can see Thoralf a bit sad talking about the deck he won with not being that good and it breaks my heart 😢
@kyleellis1825
@kyleellis1825 Жыл бұрын
Take his deck and stick it in any older format. It's esssentially broken. It's the same thing, because the internet has streamlined every LGS/game group. In the 90's/00's, different play groups would have completely different opinions on cards/mechanics. Now, every group is basically the same. The players are cardboard cut out versions of the people from my last group with pretty much identical decks. The meta homogenizes when everyone netdecks.
@idanbhk3875
@idanbhk3875 3 ай бұрын
@@kyleellis1825 Which is why playing off-meta can be a huge advantage, and win you some smaller events. Back in the day I've seen red burn, ad nauseam and some other modern decks get wildly confused and promptly lose to my fine-tuned mono-white modern knights. It probably can't cut it nowadays in modern, but another off-meta deck possibly can. They might not win a global event, but with a good sideboard they can win a smaller one. Or maybe even a bigger one - Miracles was an unplayed underdog when it won. Point is, there will always be some small percntage of players building jank on their own, and sometimes that jank will turn out to be powerful. It's just a shame it's not a common practice nowadays. Even EDH got homogenized, which is a kinda dumb honestly.
@christianhanel2129
@christianhanel2129 Жыл бұрын
Tron has returned, thank you the one Ring lol
@ImIllITeRaTeAnD
@ImIllITeRaTeAnD Жыл бұрын
Humans was introduced by MagicAids here on YT... Mullens took the deck to scg a week after.
@bagsotr
@bagsotr Жыл бұрын
was gonna comment this, not a fan of magicaids content but gotta give credit where credit is due
@JR-xv6mv
@JR-xv6mv Жыл бұрын
Absolutely this
@wolf_8026
@wolf_8026 Жыл бұрын
Was just about to say that lol
@de245733
@de245733 Жыл бұрын
Thank daddy for his masterpiece
@nonlamesniper
@nonlamesniper Жыл бұрын
MagicRainbows?
@poiri
@poiri Жыл бұрын
13:52 huge missed opportunity to call goblin lackey “goblin lacking”
@CardmarketMagic
@CardmarketMagic Жыл бұрын
Hahaha that would have been good!
@andprosser
@andprosser Жыл бұрын
Beat me to it.
@shadovvsmurf
@shadovvsmurf 10 ай бұрын
That intro was the best I've seen. Tron (chucks deck) hilarious.
@mrrodgers0
@mrrodgers0 Жыл бұрын
15:56 - Pilfered Mox {0} Legendary Artifact {T}: Add one mana of any color. Spend this mana only to cast Goblin spells or activate abilities of Goblins. Whenever Pilfered Mox becomes tapped, roll a d6. If the result is 2 or lower, sacrifice Pilfered Mox. (Could also be flip a coin to synergize with Krark and/or his thumb. Notably, in a goblin deck, this is at worst a lotus petal.)
@egyptian316
@egyptian316 7 ай бұрын
Fragmented Mox [0] T: Add one mana of any color. Use this mana only to cast spells with a converted mana cost of (1), or to activate abilities of permanents which have a converted mana cost of (1)
@creamabdul-jabbar
@creamabdul-jabbar Жыл бұрын
i really like these thoralf big brain deck/format evaluation segments! carl does a great job leading the conversation/ getting good insights out of thoralf, too.
@stevenrichardson6643
@stevenrichardson6643 Жыл бұрын
Definitely don’t think Tron is tier-1 still, however, would highly recommend if you have the deck taking it to a random FNM sometime. People don’t think it’s a threat any longer, so when you smash down a Wurmcoil or Ulamog and beat them game 1 because they forgot it existed, it’s pure joy. GL on game 2 and 3 though😅
@StickyBombLauncher
@StickyBombLauncher Жыл бұрын
I agree. I think the point in the video is that - it can't be tier one especially because of all the new cards that hate on the strategy. Tier one decks can beat the hate where as tron gets easily crippled by sideboards
@stevenrichardson6643
@stevenrichardson6643 Жыл бұрын
@@StickyBombLauncher definitely, hopefully March of the Machines brings something good for Tron, miss playing it to be honest.
@CardmarketMagic
@CardmarketMagic Жыл бұрын
This is true for any of the decks we talked about :) it's not because they are not taking down pro tours that they are not fun decks
@stevenrichardson6643
@stevenrichardson6643 Жыл бұрын
@@CardmarketMagic funny enough, Toffles run at Mythic Championship 4 with Tron is what made me get into Magic in the first place, his Tron list was the first I built!
@posaiduck1131
@posaiduck1131 Жыл бұрын
Last time I did that I had wurmcoil on turn 3, 2nd wurmcoil on turn 4 and died to 15+valakut triggers on my opp's turn 4.
@muditjohar5323
@muditjohar5323 Жыл бұрын
Poor decks dying to mh2
@sjdhrjrjejdhdhsh
@sjdhrjrjejdhdhsh Жыл бұрын
Mostly just Elementals, Urzas Saga, Ragavan, and Wrenn and Six.
@mulch8995
@mulch8995 Жыл бұрын
it turns put printing cards into modern isn't good for the format
@mattw1771
@mattw1771 Жыл бұрын
@@mulch8995 define good for the format
@sjdhrjrjejdhdhsh
@sjdhrjrjejdhdhsh Жыл бұрын
@@mattw1771 not power creeping it modern into oblivion is good for the format.
@mattw1771
@mattw1771 Жыл бұрын
@@sjdhrjrjejdhdhsh Well damn I didn’t realize modern was in a state of oblivion I’ve been having a great time
@ursulcx299
@ursulcx299 10 ай бұрын
its so funny re-watching this a year later, goblin is back in full force with sticker goblin, while human isnt as strong as it used to be still, it got some resurgence thank to the aftermath coppercoat guy and Tron is back and niv to light is sitll alive as a low tier 1 high tier 2 deck. 2 of those dead deck making an actual comeback, one struggling but still there and only 2 being dead is kinda fascinating.
@jasonb6860
@jasonb6860 Жыл бұрын
I'd toss in modern Jund and Death Shadow as two decks that also fell off a cliff at various points. Although idk if either qualified as oppressive in their hey day.
@CardmarketMagic
@CardmarketMagic Жыл бұрын
Jund was once so oppressive that it required several bannings in a row! Back in the return to Ravnica days
@JohnFromAccounting
@JohnFromAccounting Жыл бұрын
​@@CardmarketMagic Free Deathrite Shaman. Make Jund good again.
@nicobaur3076
@nicobaur3076 Жыл бұрын
I'd love to see the same type of analysis with zombies in modern or pioneer. Because I'd love to see a zombie deck again in tier 1
@CardmarketMagic
@CardmarketMagic Жыл бұрын
Zombies was, unfortunately, never a popular modern or pioneer deck. But it was a great standard decks in Return to Ravnica and Shadows over Innistrad times :)
@anthonycannet1305
@anthonycannet1305 Жыл бұрын
Magic’s power creep in recent times is crazy. Mh2 warped modern, the phyrexian arc warped pioneer, etc. I tried getting back into pioneer after a few years and it was full of super oppressive cards almost all just from current standard rotation. Neon dynasty, crimson vow, new capenna, dom united. Aside from a select few cards from older sets like co-co, the most oppressive stuff is still in standard…
@noxmtg7017
@noxmtg7017 Жыл бұрын
i agree completely, especially on the modern part. I remember I had just built Affinity a year or two before Mox Opal was banned and I was devastated. What I've been doing to cope is rebuilding all the classic modern decks I love now that the cards are a lot cheaper. I have Faeries, Affinity, and am working on Tron and Jund. After the absurd power creep combined with the introduction of universes beyond, I haven't really been interacting with much of the present product they're pushing. Plus, the removal of the block system made everything move way too quickly lore wise and the focus on commander and digital oriented design, I'm not really mechanically interested in MTG the same way i was before :( Maybe I'm just being overdramatic.
@Tom-bb3fm
@Tom-bb3fm Жыл бұрын
I think that Tron is still very playable and competitive in Modern tho, obviously not as strong as before but it can do really good
@Tryptic214
@Tryptic214 Жыл бұрын
Tron is a deck that would continue to see play even if it's power level drops, because it's a lot of fun to play. That makes it a little hard to tell if its strength matches its play rate
@nekrataali
@nekrataali Жыл бұрын
I also notice a lot of Tron decks aren't playing red anymore which is a mistake, IMO. You really need Pyroclasm available on turn two to deal with Glistener Elf, Ragavan, Dragon's Rage Channeler, Frogmite, Patchwork Automaton, Puresteel Paladin, Stoneforge Mystic, Dark Confidant, Llanowar Elves, and so on and so forth. There's this long list of turn two plays that will result in you dying on turn three or dying on turn four despite having Tron assembled (Oh you have a Wurmcoil Engine to fight off my Monastery Swiftspear? LMAO get double Lava Spike'd). You can't play Lightning Bolt because it doesn't get around hexproof or protection from red. You can't play Warping Wail because it doesn't hit enough targets. You can't play Wrath of God because it's too slow. You can't race them with a Karn because they'll have you in range of burn spells before you exile their board. You can't play Anger of the Gods because it costs double colored mana that you won't have consistently on turn three. You can't play Dismember because you won't have the life. The only solution for this is Pyroclasm to get you through game one against aggro decks or creature-based combo, which Pyroclasm completely BTFOs. Affinity will scoop if Arcbound Ravager isn't on the table. Burn will fizzle out. Infect will be delayed long enough for you to land a Karn or All is Dust. Tron has always beat up decks that are good and fair, such as Jund or U/W Control. It doesn't matter if they blow up your lands because they can't win fast enough before you find another. Unfortunately, people aren't playing as many fair decks in Modern anymore.
@nobacktalk
@nobacktalk Жыл бұрын
@@nekrataali no one is playing those cards except rag and darci, and you dont auto lose to the other cards
@Tom-bb3fm
@Tom-bb3fm Жыл бұрын
@@nobacktalk not even Darcy, maybe to a Ragavan on the play
@t4kato147
@t4kato147 Жыл бұрын
​@@nekrataali did you time travel from 2018? Half of those cards are not played in Modern. And there's a good reason no Modern decks besides control play board wipes anymore - there are no longer any tier 1 aggro decks (only aggro control and aggro combo decks).
@woodysmith2681
@woodysmith2681 Жыл бұрын
I had a Goblin deck (not even close to Tier 1) but it had Goblin Embermages in it: 3R for a 1/1 1 damage pinger than let you search up another Embermage. Warchiefs plus Embermages stacked into something scary. Loved that combo of "Another warchief, now adding 2 embermages that immediately ping and clear the way for lackey and warchief and siege-gang commander"
@JJW410
@JJW410 Жыл бұрын
LOVED this! Please more historical breakdowns! ❤
@saedbcruzreyes6064
@saedbcruzreyes6064 Жыл бұрын
Funny how Tron won a tournament recently? xD I think Tron wins by being ignored and underestimated
@shawnmorgan7834
@shawnmorgan7834 Жыл бұрын
Glorybringer bringing back the memories. Still one of my favorite cards :)
@cPDHtv
@cPDHtv Жыл бұрын
About the Goblin Mox, I was always surprised they never made a tribal mox. "Mox Tribal (0) Legendary Artifact When Mox Tribal enters the battlefield, choose a creature type. Tap : Add one mana of any color. Spend this mana only to cast spells or activate abilities of the chosen creature type."
@schlockfather
@schlockfather 9 ай бұрын
Too broken for modern.
@schlockfather
@schlockfather 9 ай бұрын
Also Tribal is not a gemstone so that doesn't make any sense. Every mox is based off a gemstone of sorts....
@kylegonewild
@kylegonewild 8 ай бұрын
@@schlockfather Chrome is not a gemstone. Too late for that argument.
@schlockfather
@schlockfather 8 ай бұрын
@@kylegonewild oh yeah lmao
@schlockfather
@schlockfather 8 ай бұрын
@@kylegonewild It is still a tangible material at least that can be considered luxurious and or shiny... the hell is a "tribal"
@benjiboy1337
@benjiboy1337 Жыл бұрын
10:14 I'll have you know that Magic Aids (one of the key innovators of the Modern Humans deck) is still working on Humans, with pretty much every new set that comes out, and is (I think rightly) convinced that it will rise again, because every single set has human characters so every single set has the potential to add something strong to the archetype.
@TheSimmus
@TheSimmus Жыл бұрын
Affinity after MH1 and Mox Opal ban lol, I think Hardened Scales endured a little longer. Now we have new Affinity with actual Affinity cards. Though it needs Urza's Saga to last against the meta, so so much for "Budget" deck
@shaneg9081
@shaneg9081 Жыл бұрын
This was what I was expecting to see.
@CardmarketMagic
@CardmarketMagic Жыл бұрын
We chose to avoid talking about decks that got cards banned in them as we figured it would be a little too obvious :)
@TheSimmus
@TheSimmus Жыл бұрын
@@CardmarketMagic good call. I found it to be more interesting to hear about decks that haven't been banned and were perfectly fine, yet still disappeared from the meta game.
@shaneg9081
@shaneg9081 Жыл бұрын
@@CardmarketMagic Okay, that's a fine explanation.... except that once the early bans to the deck were in, it was a feasible deck for a long time. Ravager Affinity was a perfectly reasonable deck from basically the start of Modern and it wasn't "oh these cards in this combination are too good" that got it banned out of the format, it was cards added in Modern Horizons that broke cards it used that got it banned into non-existence. Basically I'm offended that the Horizon sets are being given a pass when those sets are responsible for 90+% of the powercreep in Modern.
@bluevader13
@bluevader13 Жыл бұрын
I don't know if it was a video that you made before, just found your channel a couple of weeks ago; but I love this type of video. Still have my mono-green tron, always loved playing that deck.
@jonahnicholas7373
@jonahnicholas7373 Жыл бұрын
"Goblin Lacking" was right there!
@Grimprospect
@Grimprospect 25 күн бұрын
Bant Spirits in Modern really took a dive
@Narakiomal
@Narakiomal Жыл бұрын
I want that Thoralf look on the Thumbnail to be framed lol
@jessegalvin1187
@jessegalvin1187 Жыл бұрын
As a tron player back in its heyday, this is the best intro I have ever witnessed.
@dexterkairaiuak2955
@dexterkairaiuak2955 Жыл бұрын
Love your content. I just had to watch Thoralf's match.
@valt3rnative
@valt3rnative Жыл бұрын
I also used to play with goblins competitively back in the day, even practically won a Grand Prix qualifier with one, good times. EDH was what brought me back to playing more MtG, since I could play with my old goblin cards again 💚 Now I have 15 EDH goblin decks and counting 😵‍💫
@markusaurelius83
@markusaurelius83 Жыл бұрын
15 Goblins Decks?! But.. why? :D
@valt3rnative
@valt3rnative Жыл бұрын
But... why not? 🤔
@mandrake141414
@mandrake141414 Жыл бұрын
I still play goblins in legacy and the deck is still a high power deck (maybe not tier 1 anymore, but tier 2). The conspicuous snoop combo with kiki-jiki does win on the turn because you make a bunch of copies with kiki-jiki active, then snoop copies boggart harbringer to put sling-gang lieutenant on top which is your sac outlet. Addition of Muxus also really improved it's win rate and playrate. The biggest problem with goblins right now is how strong delver is (Delver used to be a great match-up for the old more control based goblin decks, but new more combo goblin decks really have a hard time against it) and the rise of Plague Engineer as a sideboard card that basically shuts the deck out singlehandedly. The meta share of the deck also gets diluted because there's a number of different viable versions right now (Food Chain Gobbos, BR with Snoop, BR without Snoop) so they usually don't fall under the same category.
@U1TR4F0RCE
@U1TR4F0RCE Жыл бұрын
I know this is the Yugioh player who has only ever played with now quite old duel decks that make me think this way but whenever I hear tron I think of the American Yugioh Player MBT who got his name from one of his magic decks MonoBlueTron, which he has talked about being the definitevly less good but arguably more based version of Tron.
@colinmunro3158
@colinmunro3158 Жыл бұрын
My favourite deck of mine has for some time been a Brion commander deck that makes use of Kiki Jiki as a key card, has several other goblins, and I would describe its power level as a strong 6 at time of writing based on its performance on commander nights at Face to Face games in Toronto.
@jaundicedmisanthrope7817
@jaundicedmisanthrope7817 Жыл бұрын
I love these guys, give us some of the juicy outtakes
@marcoottina654
@marcoottina654 Жыл бұрын
10:46 "ragavan Is .. human-annoying" AHAHAHAH Anyway, I wasn't able to fully grasp the power of the clunky red deck, I wished a bit more of deck mechanics explanation. Awesome video anyway! Understanding the logic behind some successful deck allows me to understand the full picture of the "clock" in which each card is a gear. For instance, Professor of Symbology is a wonderful key piece in my Orzhov reanimator (a cheap one: < 50€): she allows card selection, fills the graveyard with reanimation targets, occasionally she's flexible with the Lessons, can be blinked with Distinguished Conjurer (tokens are offered for value/reanimation, like P.o.S., and D.C. is roughly a Soul Sister ), sacrificed for value, a Cleric (Righteous Valkyrie) and a 2 mana creature (Serra Paragon). That's awesome!
@thork_tv
@thork_tv Жыл бұрын
On the Snoop Combo: Since you have Snoop and harbenger you win because the Last Kiki can Copy the harbenger to put the sling Goblin on top that hast sac a goblin: the opponent looses 1 live
@800mls
@800mls 10 ай бұрын
A year has passed. Tron and Legacy Goblins are back baby!
@danik2834
@danik2834 Жыл бұрын
Love your content guys. Always informative and fun. Danke
@CardmarketMagic
@CardmarketMagic Жыл бұрын
Gerne :)
@hayleyberry3437
@hayleyberry3437 Жыл бұрын
11:00 no no! lets give credit to the right person the deck was created by the youtuber "magic aids"
@CarterPSN
@CarterPSN Жыл бұрын
I played a lot of modern before MH1 and man I would love to go back to the format where Humans was one of the best decks.
@aldeayeah
@aldeayeah Жыл бұрын
Humans was still good after MH1 (well, after some bans), it was MH2 and specifically Fury that pushed it out.
@lastnamefirstname8655
@lastnamefirstname8655 Жыл бұрын
thanks for introducing these old decks.
@magnus6147
@magnus6147 Жыл бұрын
great intro!
@scottrinck9630
@scottrinck9630 Жыл бұрын
That was a great intro
@Aiko7805
@Aiko7805 Жыл бұрын
I think another good example is Grixis Death Shadow in Modern. It had a really fast rise to the top in 2017/2018 but rather quickly fell out of the meta again after being arguably the best deck in the format at one point.
@henryzelman4541
@henryzelman4541 Жыл бұрын
It was the best deck in the format while Lurrus was legal in modern as well
@IrrelevantGeOff
@IrrelevantGeOff 9 күн бұрын
This was great! Love the “historical” content!
@samuelhiggins57
@samuelhiggins57 Жыл бұрын
This is a fantastic video, please do more deck review things and tier lists!!!
@TheSleipnirThe
@TheSleipnirThe Жыл бұрын
Madness deck garbo now pretty strong in its days ( odysee block ) wild mongrel into basking rootwalla into call of the herd worm token , the madness worm and finish with psychatog
@nickhughes8179
@nickhughes8179 Жыл бұрын
I've got a BR Madness deck around Hollow One, Underworld Cookbook, Asmoranomardicadeistinaculdicar, Fiery Temper, Kitchen Imp, Burning Inquiry, Ox of Agonas, Basking Rootwalla, Flameblade Adept, Insolent Neonate, and Street Wraith. It hits hard and fast, and I've gotten people to scoop after turn 3-4. I'm just lacking 3 Blood Crypts, 2 Bloodstained Mires, 2 Searstep Pathway, and 2 Goblin Lore.
@rcashion4853
@rcashion4853 6 ай бұрын
Shiny Mox - {0} Artifact {T}: Add {R}, then flip a coin. If tails, an opponent of your choice gains control of Shiny Mox. Why spend time guarding artifacts when you can just steal them back?
@roydiggerhund
@roydiggerhund Жыл бұрын
funny sidenote: last months goblins won back 2 back the fnm at our lgs. once RG food-chain goblins and once RB kinda stock-list =D turns out that food chaining matrons into muxus wins you games. you heard it here first, time to sleeve up your goblins for legacy again!
@roydiggerhund
@roydiggerhund Жыл бұрын
today food chain goblins won another FNM =D
@darkora_
@darkora_ 4 ай бұрын
I played 8whack goblins in modern up until the modern masters II cards basically made fair aggro impossible, I've not played modern since
@incredibleflameboy
@incredibleflameboy Жыл бұрын
I got the urza tron lands in jumpstart 2022 and got so excited to use them in pioneer before finding out it's all banned. It would have been glorious though.
@skykur
@skykur Жыл бұрын
They aren’t banned. They just aren’t legal. :)
@incredibleflameboy
@incredibleflameboy Жыл бұрын
@@skykur if only that meant I could have used them.
@MFewwy
@MFewwy Жыл бұрын
I loved my goblins deck!!! I even had the collection of 300+ different goblins :) my favorite tribe
@22781dave
@22781dave Жыл бұрын
I, too, was/am a collector of goblins. Still have some i collected from the earlier sets before I left MTG around classic 6th edition.
@nicholasfarrell5981
@nicholasfarrell5981 Жыл бұрын
​@@22781dave oh man, you missed the Goblin boom of Onslaught block.
@thetimebinder
@thetimebinder Жыл бұрын
2023: Modern Affinity, Tron, and Jund are all bad while Tarmo, Snappy, Lili, and Bob all see zero Modern play.
@simonteesdale9752
@simonteesdale9752 Жыл бұрын
The goblin combo does include a sac outlet, as when you've got enough tapped snoops, you use the untapped one to make a Goblin Harbinger and put Sling-gang lieutenant on top. Goblins still isn't good but Snoop + Goblin Harbinger is a kill without anything else in play. Edit: I misremembered how snoop works. You either need snoop to survive a turn, or to have a haste source. You can however make infinite (tapped) snoops in your upkeep if you are about to draw Kiki.
@Goblin_War_Buggy
@Goblin_War_Buggy Жыл бұрын
You cannot play the combo in one turn unless you have a goblin warchief or something Conspicuous snoop only gains activated abilities and haste is not an activated ability if you could do it in one turn it would be a lot more threatening of a combo (at least in modern, legacy could definitely deal with it)
@simonteesdale9752
@simonteesdale9752 Жыл бұрын
@@Goblin_War_Buggy Thanks. I'd misremembered "gains all activated abilities" as "gains all abilities".
@nonlamesniper
@nonlamesniper Жыл бұрын
​@@Goblin_War_Buggy that's why you play split screen. Four activated abilities are better than one😉
@IavraPlays
@IavraPlays Жыл бұрын
You can just use Mogg Fanatic for that, no need for haste when all of your infinite tapped Snoops can sac for damage.
@simonteesdale9752
@simonteesdale9752 Жыл бұрын
@@IavraPlays you need the haste in order to activate the ability Snoop gains from Kiki-Jiki on the turn you play it. I guess Fanatic could replace Sling-gang if you wanted to (Depending on which is a more useful card in the metagame in case you draw it). However because Boggart Harbinger is a black card, this doesn't save a colour.
@endermeap6488
@endermeap6488 8 ай бұрын
12:56 There is a human selfless spirit. Jirina, Dauntless General. It shows up in pioneer humans sometimes.
@gamedaiv9168
@gamedaiv9168 6 ай бұрын
Carl: "what needs to be printed to make tron t1 again?" Wizards: "they only need one ring to rule them all!"
@benjiboy1337
@benjiboy1337 Жыл бұрын
13:00 Speaking of, have you heard of the new Jirina, Dauntless General? Literally Selfless Spirit for Humans, but also giving hexproof and some free graveyard hate to make up for being Legendary. Magic Aids tried jamming her into the deck, and concluded that we still need a little more to revitalize the deck, but that she was definitely a great addition.
@lukamirm.1537
@lukamirm.1537 4 ай бұрын
I really love the insights and meta 'lore' of MtG :) thanks again guys!
@The-Ertai
@The-Ertai Жыл бұрын
Very interesting content!
@Loki-
@Loki- Жыл бұрын
13:51 Goblin Lackey seems a little Goblin Lacking! I'm sure I'm not the first to say that here. 😂
@CakesHere
@CakesHere 10 ай бұрын
Does namesticker goblin count as a mox?
@vinwonsenobi
@vinwonsenobi 2 ай бұрын
I played a Magnivore deck a long time ago that turns 2-8 was destroy the land your opponent played and then drop 2 8/8 haste creatures. had an opponent say they were quitting magic
@rinan5317
@rinan5317 Жыл бұрын
Tarmo and Death’s shadow decks in modern. Oh how the powercreep changed the format
@heathebutler7143
@heathebutler7143 Жыл бұрын
I remember when UR Faeries was the best deck in Pauper. The deck was synergistic, powerful, and had game against pretty much everything. Nowadays everything else just draws more cards than you and it's better to just go Mono U and maximize your nut draws
@CardmarketMagic
@CardmarketMagic Жыл бұрын
Don't forget that fairies in pauper also got numerous bans! Which was a good thing, because the archetype was too oppressive (despite being oodles of fun to play)
@bunnydango
@bunnydango 9 ай бұрын
tron is back in modern :D
@zuzug9753
@zuzug9753 Жыл бұрын
Have you heard about the format called Canadian Highlander? I’m hoping to see you guys play it one day, it would be so much fun.
@michaelsinnreich6626
@michaelsinnreich6626 Жыл бұрын
I'm old enough to remember running 4 force of wills to deal with prosperous bloom.
@rhettk6263
@rhettk6263 Жыл бұрын
Niv to light now to atraxa to light? Thoughts?
@Steamboat2016
@Steamboat2016 Жыл бұрын
Lantern Control and Thopter Sword combo in modern. My 2 favorite modern decks lost to time
@sheepy403
@sheepy403 Жыл бұрын
Old Lantern Control is one of my favorite decks of all time because of how it attacks on an angle I've never seen elsewhere. Losing Mox Opal made life tough enough, but with so many easy answers to / ways to win through Ensnaring Bridge, and Karn and of course Urza's Saga redefining what it means to be a prison deck, strategies like that will never be viable again.
@ChristopherLaHaise
@ChristopherLaHaise 4 ай бұрын
Stasis, Winter Orb, Ley Druid, Instill Energy, and things with Vigilance. Still good?
@vinterbjork4128
@vinterbjork4128 Жыл бұрын
Everyone always asks 'where is Tron', nobody asks 'how is Tron'.
@diecurrywurst5739
@diecurrywurst5739 Жыл бұрын
As Toffel played Tron at the MC, it was the first time I was cheering for Tron
@cameronzwicke5761
@cameronzwicke5761 4 ай бұрын
Don't know what formats altar of dementia is legal in but I used to run it in my goblins deck years ago, to counter sweepers.
@mstieler8480
@mstieler8480 Жыл бұрын
"Tell me about the glory days of Humans" got me giggling.
@deadneck13
@deadneck13 Жыл бұрын
15:40 Sneaky Mox - {0} Artifact Sneaky Mox comes in to play with three stability counters. Other spells and effects cannot add stability counters to Sneaky Mox {T} add one mana of any color. This can only be use to cast Goblin spells. Remove a stability counter. Then, if Sneaky Mox has no stability counters, flip a coin. If you lose the coin flip, sacrifice Sneaky Mox and it deals 5 damage to you and all creatures you control.
@CardmarketMagic
@CardmarketMagic Жыл бұрын
Haha you would have to be really desperate to tap it that third time 😅
@deadneck13
@deadneck13 Жыл бұрын
​@@CardmarketMagic hey, Toffel said it should explode sometimes!!
@nickhughes8179
@nickhughes8179 Жыл бұрын
Tron moved to Pauper and helped get Arcum's Astrolabe, Prophetic Prism, and Bonder's Ornament banned. I used to play Spawn Tron. You either get your Tron lands or drop out enough Nest Invaders, Brood Birthing and Kozilek's Predators until you get 4 Eldrazi Spawn, then use them to free cast Hand of Emrakul or to ramp up to Ulamog's Crusher. Banning the eggs killed my deck, unless I want to drop $20 for a playset of Chromatic Star. I know Chris Cox would love that, it's probably why Prophetic Prism really got banned. Too efficient for a 35 cent card.
@drewwirsching3865
@drewwirsching3865 Жыл бұрын
Goblins are in a weird place but not bad would definitely say they are better in modern. They have so many tools and the deck is super consistent unlike humans you move through your deck really fast. I would love a 1 mana goblin like that elemental tho would be so cool.
@blueredlover1060
@blueredlover1060 Жыл бұрын
Tbf, Tron did get Karn, the Great Creator, but that's nothing compared to the support that Izzet decks got in the time since. I'd say you'd need to get a good spaghetti monster or two that are powerful and undercosted as well as good colorless targeted removal to make it happen.
@outputcoupler7819
@outputcoupler7819 Жыл бұрын
I played legacy like 15 years ago, and ran into that goblin deck all the time. I played a prison deck that ran absurd amounts of creature removal, and goblins was still fast enough to just run me over a decent amount of the time. Beep beep, 11/2 Goblin Piledriver coming through!
@RIP_Texpert
@RIP_Texpert Жыл бұрын
I remember when goblins was the best deck in modern, I made a mono black control deck with every black boatdwipe I had and phyrexian obliterator as a win con because you couldn't kill the thing without wiping out half of your board
@lessercrow
@lessercrow Жыл бұрын
I'm sure someone has pointed this out but Goblin Recruiter is indeed a card that exists and is in fact banned in Legacy
@MrABK108
@MrABK108 Жыл бұрын
Lol, decks I remember from back in the days: "Miss America" UWR control with goblin trenches and Urza's wrath "Elf opposition" "Tooth and nails" tron "Psychatog" UB control ... I'm old
@TerminallyNerdy
@TerminallyNerdy Жыл бұрын
Toffel tossing the deck at the start just made me lose it. "TRON?!" *toss*
@trevorthomas9936
@trevorthomas9936 Жыл бұрын
I'll jsut say this I got to 6:29 by them time I felt I needed to comment this but ive never net decked, granted I've never one in a competitive setting but I still had way more fun trying to figure out my own thing than I would have net decking.
@andrewbaynard2914
@andrewbaynard2914 8 ай бұрын
Watching this a year later, when Goblins are the #1 deck in Legacy is quite hilarious.
@triez7454
@triez7454 Жыл бұрын
so fun to watch this video after lotr, tron just needed 4 mana draw deck + protection....
@Swnkmstr
@Swnkmstr 4 ай бұрын
man, i loved that like 2 week period where i pulled an expedition Eye Of Ugin and got to play it in my tron deck. Tutoring an Ulamog or Emrakul was cool asf. Too bad low cost Eldrazi had to ruin that for us.
@thepoofster2251
@thepoofster2251 Жыл бұрын
Throwing that deck must have been so satisfying! It made quite the thunk
@terriblejungleplayer4668
@terriblejungleplayer4668 Жыл бұрын
Very funny to see humans being seen as an outdated deck right after we got the new mono white humans making huge waves
@lucasmertens1625
@lucasmertens1625 Жыл бұрын
Toffel asks for a human selfless spirit and gets it! Jirina, Dauntless General incoming. Let’s see if it was the missing piece as he predicted
@robertgreen6499
@robertgreen6499 Жыл бұрын
Oh yea this is another hit for a video. I played lots of Legacy / type 1.5 and man the decks we used to play lol.
@rijkscheffers1844
@rijkscheffers1844 5 ай бұрын
wasn't goblins/ mono red stompy a huge part of the legacy format (maybe only online), cards like ___goblin and muxus goblin grandy, and broadside bombardeers, with soullands
@appeardead
@appeardead Жыл бұрын
Mono Green Tron won a massive tournament that i went to just last week
@rhysgab4990
@rhysgab4990 Жыл бұрын
the grul/fires of yavimaya i template is also and example..use to be a go-to for timmies and spikes alike.. i dont know if wotc put out creatures that sucks efficiency-wise or they forgat that stratedgy exist around player bases..
@InfinitusGamer
@InfinitusGamer Жыл бұрын
To a Eldrazi Tron player like me....this hurt...
@jorritdriessen5728
@jorritdriessen5728 9 ай бұрын
"Goblins Suck" Wizards: Ok here is Name Sticker Goblin now it's the 4th most played deck
@GeekoTreecko
@GeekoTreecko Жыл бұрын
2:41 All the modern horizons 2 cards that were broken Blue: counterspell Blue in a nutshell
@GMontag
@GMontag Жыл бұрын
If you want Legacy Goblins to be playable, unban Goblin Recruiter.
@Lik3aBoss154
@Lik3aBoss154 Жыл бұрын
Watching this video in the future after the one ring…. Boy oh boy how Tron has changed 😂
@SquareGrills
@SquareGrills 6 ай бұрын
Turns out what goblins needed was a sticker card...
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