WHY the Shark FAILED our towing test & a 12% gradient limit?!

[@beefstu84]

Was that John Cadogan's voice?😂

[@LVNITUPM8]

It's brilliant haha

[@hsv215i]

@@beefstu84 Paul getting his own back after the homeoerotic wave remark

[@user-pp6kw6yl6z]

@@beefstu84 he's the OG.

[@rc70ys]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@colwk]

John's voices are way better

[@emmett3067]

Let's be honest, as long as this thing can tow a jetski and get through the Maccas drive through this vehicle is perfect for most trades. Biggest issue is the front and rear logos should be even larger....

[@clipzed]

So bascially a summary from paul. - for most people, this vehicle is great - rides well, fast, well priced, can save fuel if you can charge - not great a towing at the limits, engine limited (bigger engine would solve this). seems like a good buy if it suits your needs.

[@smileydave3907]

Bigger engine yes 3L V6 with no Electric component🤣

[@clipzed]

@@smileydave3907 ... no lol

[@TerryHickey-xt4mf]

@@smileydave3907 get a life.

[@pyrobob208]

Until the electric motor's bearings crap out. Watch some videos from China, rust, bearings all cheap crap, batteries catching fire. Not for me, thanks.

[@jrkr7357]

Right, this test is more at pointing out Shark's weakness point and ignoring ICE pickup truck's weakness .....

[@Analia-t4k]

Super great vid, love how you do things.

[@AllTerrainActionEV]

haha, proud of you stright out calling out the BS. Thanks for the in depth and technical reviews mate.

[@kerynwoods6068]

You are in my view one of the most honest & informative reviewers on KZbin. I will be placing my order as soon as the canopies are back in stock

[@jackiezhang7403]

@@kerynwoods6068 so honest he had a capital letters on “ FAILED “ in most of his BYD shark reviews, so honest he didn’t mention his ford ranger also has 12% gradient limit when loaded. so honest he deliberately set up everything to fail but never really show you how it failed. so honest he got so offended when his true intentions were exposed by others. Over explaining it only made him look more guilty of his true intentions.

[@blertles3]

@@jackiezhang7403cry harder lol

[@vasil7410]

​@@jackiezhang7403 Correct, for a so called motoring journalist, his bias and lack of adequate research is obvious to those who actually think about what he is saying (or not saying).

[@Sulu-d4r]

@@jackiezhang7403 Agree 100%. This guy is a pretty average reviewer. What makes it worse is his smarminess.

[@davidscott820]

​@@Sulu-d4r100%👍

[@michaelreeve-fowkes7100]

12% gradient limit will make launching and retrieving boats at a lot of boat ramps impossible.

[@davec110]

same gradient limit also applies to the Ford Ranger. go read the spec sheet.

[@AllTerrainAction]

@@davec110 this is very true, I said this on another post but no one seems to care. Its bash the new guy around town time only. People too blinded to let new things in.

[@morosis82]

It's probably 12% at max towing limit, which unless you have a giant boat would not be an issue. Yes I know it doesn't say that, but they have to account for the lowest common denominator, which if you read some of the comments in those videos is pretty frickin' low.

[@BigTrevw]

@@davec110 did it fail the 12% grade towing test?

[@davec110]

@@BigTrevw 12% gradient is the testing standard that's present on all Ford spec sheets. i suspect it applies to most tow ratings. BYD used the same and it's a headline for car expert.

[@essie6834]

I have an Outlander phev, and yes with 0% (or whatever the battery is allowed to drop to), going up a hill and towing a decent load at 100km/hr would probably not be possible, but it's easily managed by keeping say 50% or more in your battery until the hills are done, then use the battery for the last part of the leg so you use up all the battery by the time you get to your destination. It requires slightly more thinking than an ICE car, but is also kind of fun managing it on the go as you can select 'save battery' or 'charge' to top it up if required before a hill.

[@vasil7410]

Yes, it a PHEV. Get over it CarExpert. Complaining that the performance of a 1.5L engine, with low SOC, can't match that of high powered electric motors with high SOC, is just bizarre.

[@adampoll4977]

Exactly. This is the reason these kind of PHEVs (I have an Outlander too) have Save and Charge settings that are selectable. If you are going to use V2L camping, you use Save to make sure you have a decent charge on arrival. If you have depleted the battery (or forget to set the right mode for a time) you set it to Charge when on flat straights or downhill to bring it back up. Yes, it's a different type of thinking, but it's not difficult, and is more than offset by the driving dynamics and advantages it offers. Having said that, he's right that very specific situations will expose certain limitations.

[@vasil7410]

​@@adampoll4977For sure, but it's pretty obvious he has an agenda to discredit certain types of car. Or he has decided to trade in his journalist degree for click bait views.

[@terrymarshall4964]

SOC is not related to power until it gets to a critical point where we need to manage the battery. The BMS does not manage demand

[@TerryHickey-xt4mf]

the default setting on the shark is about 25% I believe. And, you can set it higher if you know you will be towing up a long hill.

[@erwinkruger-haye2698]

Well done on “that is Bullsh*t” . Lots of people wishing they could get away with that😂.

[@kizz3r]

Literally followed this channel because of their no bs approach to reviewing vehicles. Specifically this video hahah. Keep up the good work guys

[@_wat2do]

You're wondering where all the negative comments got their information from? - its from speculation because you didn't show any of the SoC or Settings details. Surely its obvious that people aren't going to know the details of your test if you just dont show it or talk about it in your test video.

[@davec110]

here comes a new one...."BYD Shark won't be able to max braked towing at 12% gradient." Do simple search and its the minimum testing standard for braked towing. Ford Ranger had the same rating. seriously? car expert? should of answered that question for the concerned viewer since it doesn't take a expert to find out.

[@DrainCleaningAUSTRALIA]

Sounds like you bought one 😬

[@_wat2do]

@@DrainCleaningAUSTRALIA Nope, i wouldn't buy a byd due to their poor traction control systems. I am, however, always interested in details of a test to see what machines do under different circumstances.

[@TerryHickey-xt4mf]

Very interesting! this is a new era in ute propulsion, that is for sure. Nothing else to compare it to in the past. This is why the comments will be buzzing for the next year or two.

[@hackney7106]

Give it to them Paul!!!👍👍👍

[@mixirabbit998]

Paul absolutely bringing the fire on some of the morons on here. Idiots need to be called out more

[@mrkring1526]

Salty

[@mixirabbit998]

@@mrkring1526 found one of those morons. That was easy

[@clipzed]

lol why do people get so angry about cars

[@SunnyS2711]

@@clipzedI think they own the “car” and can’t stand someone showing them a mirror and saying that’s not perfect and has issues. Accept it and move on

[@clipzed]

@@SunnyS2711 i think it goes both ways... plenty of people who have dropped 140k on a 4wd with mods slagging a 60k car with an inferiority complex... its just a dick swinging contest on all directions with cars.

[@jonathanrabbitt]

Hey Paul, can you let the audience know what that 3kN load is equivalent to in terms of a typical sized caravan loaded at a particular ATM and ascending a particular road gradient? Obviously it will manifest as a speed-gradient curve given the aerodynamic load is not a constant whereas the trailer dyno is holding a constant load. Just curious.

[@siraff4461]

Its equivalent to about 670lbs of force so imagine an engine making 670lbs - a large diesel for instance - at its peak torque directly driving the wheels. Lats take a landcruiser as an example. Its got a 4.3:1 diff ratio so in direct drive (4th in the auto or 5th in the manual) it would need to make 156lb of torque to hold speed with zero other resistance. Of course there is wind, road and other drag so it will need more than that which is why we see it top out around 100k's with the same trailer and its 369lb. Imagine the kind of load that LC would need to hold it level on speed and thats the equivalent its seeing with its wind resistance plus that trailer load. Medium caravan up 5%-8% seems about right.

[@mattyb1624]

I have a feeling the trailer dyno is a little more sophisticated than that, and he did mention it can vary its load on the fly.

[@jonathanrabbitt]

@mattyb1624 Sure, but Paul said that it was set at 3kN.

[@lukepeterson1150]

So refreshing to see such a great response to comments. You do great tests and provide excellent,informed responses.

[@Darkmatter321]

I've had 4 double cab and one single cab trucks in the past 3 decades and I can honestly say the number of times I have towed anything is exactly ZERO

[@jimmyp1433]

I think the 12% gradient thing has to do with the motor's continuous ratings. Once they get hot and limited to those torque figures totalling only 290nm (f+R quoted by BYD) , it won't be able to get up a steep gradient full stop. If on top that it's wet and the front motor torque is cut further due to traction control (with all that weight on the towball) , it'll make the issue far worse.

[@siraff4461]

How did it get a 2.5t tow rating if it can't do that on any road in the country? I thought that it being able to safely operate at its maximum capacity was the basis of engineering compliance? Between that and the Tank lifting its rear wheels under braking its starting to look like some of these cars are getting passed as safe when they really shouldn't be.

[@jasonfields2793]

Same way the other utes have a 3.5 that's the maximum in perfect conditions

[@siraff4461]

@@jasonfields2793 No its not. Thats certified as what they are capable of doing. Same reason they have to be certified with a set number of seat belts and set GVWR and all the rest.

[@jasonfields2793]

@siraff4461 if you say so I'd like to see the ADR that is specific to this

[@Blanchy10]

I have a feeling that Mt Victoria on The Great Western Hwy is going to be steeper than 12%

[@blakeford4496]

Reckon you could try driving up a boat ramp with the 2.5t trailer when you get the production car? Would be good to see if it can

[@mattyb1624]

I'd strongly hesitate driving an EV into or right next to salt water

[@jackiezhang7403]

@@mattyb1624shark’s chassis is hot wax dipped at factory,probably the best rust proof you can do.

[@derser541]

​@@jackiezhang7403 So the chassis is protected but the battery isn't? That's great to know, thanks for confirming how dangerous this can be.

[@jackiezhang7403]

@ how did you get that conclusion? From your single Digit IQ reading or your imaginary friends? Battery is probably the most water proof thing in this car, if you were going to attack it in a offroad situation maybe start with wading depths??

[@TerryHickey-xt4mf]

wow, these replies are something else1

[@SandcAndc]

Good on you Paul! Lovely to see your thoroughness, honesty, and ultimately your unbiased review on the shark 6. Keep up the great work

[@TerryHickey-xt4mf]

on repeat?

[@TheKnobCalledTone.]

That voiceover on the second comment sounds like John Cadogan doing an Alan Jones impersonation 🤣

[@simonv1409]

Hi Paul, love the videos. Could you perhaps relate the trailer dyne test to a real world scenario? What is 3kN equivalent to? Towing 2500 uphill? What gradient, etc etc.

[@syy4815498]

Hi Paul, I am thankful that you deep dive into this and give us a view from your test of this preproduction ute. I am hoping to see more reviews on the production one and hopfully i am going to place my order later.

[@turbostyler]

Thank you car expert for revealing these shortcomings. I was extremely keen on the shark when it was first announced. I mean raptor acceleration, hybrid fuel economy, can do vehicle to load, and most attractive was the tax benefits. But the biggest question mark for me was how well it could tow my boat. I do big Fraser Island trips, towing my boat hundreds of kilometres away etc and I wanted to upgrade from my bt50. This shark simply can't do what I need it to do which is a pity because I liked the concept. I'll probs upgrade to a y62 or a tank tank ute.

[@TerryHickey-xt4mf]

it will be fine, all utes have 'shortcomings' let us wait and see, say mid 2025?

[@purplehazeffc]

It's a horses for courses type of vehicle. If like 80% of ute buyers just drive around town, bunnings trips, school drop off's. This will be perectly fine. If you need to do long trip towing anything heavy, then it's not for you. Just get a diesel ute & an EV/Hybrid for a 2nd car.

[@turbostyler]

@@purplehazeffc I don't really get why anyone would buy a ute for driving around town, bunnings trips, or school drop offs. The only reason I have a ute is for the occasional towing of my boat, trailer, heavy equipment hire. If I didn't need to do any of those things I'd be in a 4 door sedan or even suv as they are far superior in every aspect apart from towing.

[@duncanwallace7760]

Love your reviews and tests. Keep up the excellent work!

[@doneB830]

Be happy with the comments good or bad, this means you are winning. Loads better than not having viewers.

[@MichaelSmith-px1ev]

At the end of the day the BYD can tow my van at a minimum payload of 1.7 tonne with another 500kg of luggage going to BIG 4 caravan sites around eastern Australia. This is what we need it for and it can deliver on what we need.

[@shannonholt6399]

Exact same scenario for me. Question? Fridge in the tray? Power outlet only works when car is on? So we still have to install a dual battery? Seems insane

[@jeffwallis6696]

@@shannonholt6399yeah, I’ve been pondering that same question. Another thought along the same lines relates to the Anderson plug for running the van fridge. It would be nice to be able to have that continue working when you stop for lunch etc. too but I can’t see that being the case either.

[@aftonline]

Seems like there is an opportunity here for BYD to upgrade this vehicle by upping the engine size to a 2L. My Toyota Yaris has a 1.5L engine which can struggle at times on hills with a full car, and that vehicle only weighs about a ton. Yes, I know that the electric motor is going to overcome a lot of that deficiency, but as stated in this video, you can't overcome physics. A bigger engine, with a bigger turbo as well, would allow the overall system to work a lot better, not only to power the vehicle in high load situations such as uphill towing, but also to keep the battery topped up while cruising at highway speeds. As the old saying goes "there aint no substitute for cubic inches". It recently came out that Stellantis reversed their decision to cancel the venerable Hemi V8 which had been replaced by a turbo six cylinder. This is the kind of competition which BYD is up against, and I can't imagine any self-respecting RAM owner ever trading their beast in for a BYD Shark.

[@JohnBolitho-h9p]

Love to see comparisons with new Ford Phev, and maybe a real test of on real roads test over say 200kms where people go on holidays?

[@TerryHickey-xt4mf]

and price as well?

[@yoker84]

Ranger PHEV will be apple with oranges comparison - 3.5t vs 2.5t. But I agree when it comes to Ranger PHEV towing endurance test (just like what he did with Shark).

[@marcezs08]

I love this guys in depth review, it answers just so many questions i had on the shark 6. This is going to be superb for me, who just wants to drag my motorcycle trailer/ motorcycle as a backup vehicle.

[@duncaninglis5407]

You do a good job mate I like your reviews and take them seriously, I’m no engineer but even I was scratching my head at some of the comments.

[@siraff4461]

Don't stress it Paul. I spent a good amount of time in the comments on the last vid saying pretty much exactly what you have in this one. What it boils down to is it has a constant output around 100kW and anything used above that will deplete the battery. If it then uses less it can make some back up but any constant load over that and it will have to de-rate sooner or later. I don't know where these people think the power is coming from. I also agree that for most people this thing will be great but I can think of plenty of use cases where it will de-rate - heavy or hilly towing, long stretches at high speed, headwinds, forgot to charge (or couldn't charge) the night before, all of the above... As a short range ev and a light use pick up it will be nice but its not a workhorse by design and people who try to use them as such will likely find that out in short order.

[@TerryHickey-xt4mf]

Exactly, not for everyone, but will suit most, time will tell.

[@yehaoli829]

You lucky Aussie, it is not available in Canada, not hurt to have more options and dont mention price, new cars are stupid expensive and build cheaper.

[@djblc2201]

Australian here. We are basically a testing ground for a lot of products including cars. These are like the Beta versions. That's OK we're known as early adopters. I think it's great that our government allows these units into our market though it is very political. Interesting times.

[@Spratdragon]

China hates us and talks shit about us. Stupid to support them. Aussies are not exactly bright or patriotic anymore though. Golden era is over.

[@leobattiato4487]

G'day Paul, I've been watching your reviews for years and appreciate the attention to detail you show every time.Peaple who think that an ev twin cab ute does not have it's towing limitations are delusional , ignor the haters and keep up the brilliant work you do.

[@michaelw6173]

That 12% gradient pretty much stuffs you getting out of Sydney (N, W, SW), Brisbane (W), Adelaide (E) and Perth (E).

[@Rick-wy4od]

The problem is that although the petrol motor may be rated at 100kw continuous, that's likely to be at a (relatively) screaming 4500-5000rpm. Its nothing like a lugging diesel loping along at 2000rpm for the same, or 50% more torque output. If these things are used in stop/start city driving, thay'll probably be fine. However, load them up regularly with a decent load, under highway conditions, and that little 4 pot screamer isnt likely to last very long 😂 And this is why the resale value is likely to be so poor down the track. Trade and towing buyers wont touch it because its not really fit for purpose. City dwellers may be reluctant because of nagging doubts about how the little petrol motor has been treated by previous owners.

[@tighematthew]

So Awesome you have done all the real world tests. Man this car will sell faster then they can make them

[@malsmith2012]

Great vid Paul .. One thing that you spoke about that made me think "shit what if" was when you said the regen could get hot and tap out leaving you with friction brakes only going down a large descent. I never knew that could happen in an EV.. On Saturday arvo going down Mt Ousley in my WN Caprice in 3rd /4th to save using the brakes and cruise at the limit I was watching all the big tankers crawling down using the engine as the brake and I told my wife what I learned on your video and said could you imagine coming don here just towing a heavy load and just having the brakes only, no thanks.. As someone who's towed cars quite a bit I couldn't imagine not being able to use the engine to gear down in that situation .. Merry Christmas mate..

[@John-p7i5g]

You'd have to be at close to 100% at the top of the hill for that to happen. If you charged at Heathcote or Campbelltown by the time you got to my Ousley you'd have loads of capacity to soak up the energy via regen. My hybrid gets full at about 1/4 the way down but that only about 1kWh. Even with more efficient regen on a BEV eg Tesla Model 3 you'd possibly only gain 5kWh at the absolute max. Don't quote me on these numbers (still waiting for someone on KZbin to do a test with an EV at Mt Ousley) but basically you'd need close to 100% SoC at the top for it to fill up before you got to the bottom and go to friction only.

[@johnsteve1352]

@@malsmith2012 it's not really overheat, the regeneration cut out is because the charge generated by the regeneration is greater than the battery could take, so it cuts out

[@tim9241]

Big tankers are much heavier than normal cars, so evidently need engine braking more. Not a great comparison tbh

[@CMurdoch-n3t]

I would have thought BYD would have implemented something similar to Nissan's engine braking mode for their e-Power hybrids. Apparently when the small e-Power hybrid battery is full and braking is still needed, they switch the system by sending the regen power back through the inverter and generator to the combustion engine instead of the battery, acting as an engine brake indirectly. If they haven't, it definitely should be set up in the Shark. Though the Shark should have a direct engine connection to the wheels too, so that should (theoretically) be able to provide something as well. Just saying, it shouldn't be an unsolvable problem.

[@John-p7i5g]

@CMurdoch-n3t that's a good idea

[@marklittle3551]

So sounds like the Hybrid Ranger has nothing to worry about.

[@miraphycs7377]

Paul, unlike Toyota's THS BYD's DM-i or DM-O cannot power the wheels AND charge the batteries at the same time because it does not have the planetary power split device. The vehicle can either be fully powered by battery and electric motor, engine charging the battery which turn the electric motor (series hybrid) or direct drive the wheels. There are only three scenarios

[@John-p7i5g]

Please Paul when you do get the final production car can you find out at what weight it does become possible to drive around the track at 100km/hr, not 70, all day long? This is pretty important information for potential buyers who want to tow long distances I think.

[@siraff4461]

Its not just weight but resistance. In something with such poor aerodynamics a small headwind could make a very large difference so its hard to just say a weight. Same goes for inclines, poor weather, choice of rubber and all the rest.

[@dominic-ryan]

Just towed 17500km around Aus. Agree those numbers will be important, however speed isn't necessarily as important as the vehicle feeling well settled to what it is towing. We travelled between 80~85km/h as it made a huge difference to fuel economy and towing comfort. Talking an extra $2k+ on fuel costs for the distance we travelled when paying $2.50/l or more for diesel in remote areas.

[@babeyoulove1883]

Were you trying to say something like: In both of your BYD Shark videos, the truck failed the tests. Then, you released follow-up videos explaining why they failed. It almost feels like you’re trying to cover for them-are they paying you?

[@TerryHickey-xt4mf]

lets face it, this is a new tech and it will take some time for us all to get used to it, but in 12 months I think things will be a lot clearer.

[@DrainCleaningAUSTRALIA]

All the cheap Chinese fan boys will be hurting even harder after resale in 5 years

[@hackney7106]

They will get better,that’s a guarantee.Japanese cars copped the same flack in the early sixties.Grow up.

[@TerryHickey-xt4mf]

why sell it? the warranty is way more.

[@MrMagnat007]

You don't buy a vehicle to make money. You buy it for a mode of transport and these new Chinese vehicles are making a big impact in that respect. I mean why would you dump twice as much money into a Brand name and still have the same issues and problems as right now, alot of the big name brands are no longer the reliable marques they used to be. So these new Chinese brands do have a place in the market and this is why alot of Big Name brands are now hurting as much as they are. Common people (Not Car/Vehicle Enthusiasts) Just want something that will go from A to B with a 7 year warranty and these fill that niche nicely.

[@purplehazeffc]

They are cheap for a reason. But the % loss over a 3-5 year owning span will be huge

[@Spratdragon]

​@hackney7106 Yes but the Chinese are very disrespectful to Aussies. Short memory. They called us chewing gum stuck to their shoe. Why would you want to support that?

[@firstprib7742]

I feel that EVs that are used to tow or heavy off road need proper multi-speed gearboxes like ICE.

[@timorum]

Probably just two speeds - three max.

[@Malc664]

@@timorum It needs much lower gearing to get up that off-road hill Paul tested it on. The more gears the better.

[@nashy008]

Just took one for a test drive/loop. The salesperson said the blue car there had a software update and drove up that off-road hill. I assume this is true?

[@TerryHickey-xt4mf]

let us just cool off a bit and se what happens in 6 months, you will be very surprised!

[@aljoubert8749]

Only if you want a serious off road vehicle. Don't think that is what BYD is aiming for imo

[@SimonFoley-fy4no]

I have enjoyed your videos on the Shark, Paul. I trust your integrity as a journalist and appreciate you making a video like this in response. I myself would love to own a shark and have put down a deposit. I really wanted you to sing the praises of this car for that reason! But, your review has tempered my excitement and i will wait a while to see more reviews and perhaps to wait till an upgraded version comes along. Thanks for your honest review and keep up the good work.

[@davidscott820]

Pisstake?😂😂

[@kirovfactory]

It is not that hard to admit that PHEV is probably the worst option for towing heavy. The advantage of a PHEV is to "smart out" very specific scenarios, namely load varying over a very wide range, heave acceleration at lights, then cruise along for some time, total work is relatively low over the whole time. It is able to smooth out the work by charging up battery when power demand is low to use when demand is high. Now towing heavy is the exact opposite - constant high power out put. For heavy towing you still can't go past diesel, or pure BEV, which at least has the advantage of low cost per km. It doesn't affect the potential buyers - twice a year camping, inner city 2b1b apartment dwelling human being like me, who generally tow SFA. It is still a very good car, can almost say the best option for people like me.

[@TerryHickey-xt4mf]

just do not buy this ute if this is your thing, obvious.

[@JamesPhieffer]

BEVs are great for towing short distances. But they lose half their range if maxxed out. A proper hybrid truck like the F-150 PowerBoost will do fine, because its hybrid system is paired with the 3.5L EcoBoost which already produces more than enough power to tow the maximum amount advertised by Ford. And it has a proper automatic transmission. BYD simply overrated the Shark's towing capacity. It should be whatever the ICE can tow on its own, while factoring in the added weight of the hybrid system. That's why the F-150 PowerBoost is rated to tow less than a regular F-150 EcoBoost with the same engine - because it is also taking into consideration the weight of the hybrid system.

[@aljoubert8749]

Towing a 2.5t load over an average road in Australia is a relatively low work load. Towing a dyno trailer is not :)

[@dzonikg]

I thing that most here have 0 idea about the test.This is not realistic test,you dont tow trailer that actively brake

[@ablet85]

⁠@@dzonikgas a person who teaches physics, how wrong you are just completely hurt my brain. The dyno applies a consistent retarding force to replicate a caravan or load. The reason you use it is to control more variables like wind conditions so best to compare against other vehicles minimising environmental issue and readings I can tell you have no science or engineering background. There is a reason these things exist.

[@jonaqua8850]

Ive ordered one and cant wait to get it, i dont think I’ll ever tow anything 2.5 tonne. If i was going to tow a large van or go full on off road id buy a cruiser or a petrol. Ive test driven a shark the other week and there insane.

[@Zeta-y3c]

Look at the BYD Leopard. It can do 45.1 degree climbs effortlessly. Best to ask BYD if they are going to give the Shark the same mode in their future updates.

[@siraff4461]

Completely different (and much better) drivetrain.

[@Zeta-y3c]

@siraff4461 The Shark 6 is based on Leopard 5. Leopard 5 will have the "violent mode" update on Dec 31 in China. Whether it comes to Australian Shark 6, we will see. What's the point in testing a pre production Shark 6 with "Driving Miss Daisy" settings on. The Shark has not failed like some EV skeptics are claiming. Paul is just giving them fuel to thrash the Shark or any other EV. Every "failure" this far was because of settings set on low.

[@saff226]

​@@siraff4461they definitely should have used that drive train instead of this crap.

[@siraff4461]

@@Zeta-y3c Thats utter nonsense and exactly what he addressed in this video.

[@Zeta-y3c]

@@saff226 ok, guess you're the authority over the 80,000 engineers at BYD.

[@thomasdight1267]

The comments are from ccp officials’ they can’t take criticism

[@rickdias1981]

Thank you very much for making the videos on vehicle performance! Especially on the practical side.

[@christeitzel9609]

i sense some buyers who paid a deposit are being Karen's

[@montaguegray7486]

i do wonder how tied in all the electrics are, how many elements will put it into limp mode or even stop it working altogether

[@user-pp6kw6yl6z]

I had seen elsewhere the user manual, that the maximum gradient for parking with a trailer is also 12% and anything steeper you should use wheel chocks. So theoretically you can park steeper than 12% with a trailer. Has car expert proven that it can't tow steeper than 12%? The answer is no, they have just read the user manual like the rest of us. Some clarification from BYD is definitely required.

[@derser541]

Why do they need to PROVE that it can't tow steeper than 12%? The manufacturer literally states that this is not permitted in this vehicle, whether it can or not is irrelevant. You want to ignore this limitation of the vehicle and do it anyway then kiss your warranty goodbye, and if you have an incident towing up a hill >12% then kiss your insurance coverage goodbye as well. Using your idiotic logic CE should complete a range of other tests exceeding a whole other range of specifications to prove the manufacturer incorrect about their own vehicle. Run along now you bot.

[@user-pp6kw6yl6z]

@derser541 I can assure you I'm not a bot. I have a diesel patrol currently if you are interested to know. Have you read the user manual? It's a user manual that has been translated which is pretty obvious if you read it. My question is what is behind the wording regarding the 12% limitation. Elsewhere in the user manual are some requirements regarding parking with a trailer on grades steeper than 12% (wheel chocks to be installed). I'm curious as to why there are seemingly conflicting statements in the user manual. I'm not sure what about that makes my logic 'idiotic' but I can only imagine its because you can't comprehend what I'm talking about. Good to see CE comes to rescue by liking your comment too, a little thin skinned if you ask me. I just want to know the facts.

[@ablet85]

@@user-pp6kw6yl6zthen buy one and do it. Why expect someone else to breach the warranty of a product? If you aren’t prepared to contact a BYD dealer and ask the question from them. A reviewer isn’t required nor should they run a product out of spec.

[@user-pp6kw6yl6z]

@ablet85 where did I expect anyone to do anything? I just stated a fact. I must be the only one that has actually read the manual is my assessment.

[@user-pp6kw6yl6z]

I seem to have offended a few people with my innocent comment. Maybe I should ask John cadogan for a guest spot on his channel.

[@ElishaMukumba]

15:42 I think this BYD is a pick up for people who don’t want to do pick up stuff. The hybrid ranger will probably justify its price by being able to do all the other bits at the very top end that this can’t do. I’m talking challenging off-road use or towing up more than a 12% gradient. Also before I get attacked because of the Ranger’s low range in electric only mode. Just remember that electric propulsion is better for acceleration than for cruising. So if you’re managing your energy well you want electric power to do the acceleration and petrol to do the cruising on highways.

[@hsv215i]

How did BYD get such a fanatical user base? They’ve been in the country for 5 minutes.

[@purplehazeffc]

It's more the EV fanatics, I think.

[@hsv215i]

@ ah is that what’s going on. Hahah. Genuinely puzzled.

[@Drewww71]

It's the CCP Shills and The 50 Cent Party, also known as the 50 Cent Army or wumao. They are Internet commentators who are paid by the authorities of the People's Republic of China to spread the propaganda of the governing Chinese Communist Party (CCP).

[@aljoubert8749]

How did they get so much haters :)

[@hsv215i]

@ do people hate them? Seem to be more people loving it then hating it.

[@icollidge]

Even with the compromises, what an ideal ute for the majority of ute owners. I hope they do well

[@mrkring1526]

Yeah, except you don't speak for the majority.

[@clipzed]

@@mrkring1526good for me, I want the space without the need to tow.

[@cpt_kick_a_hoe_549]

@@mrkring1526the majority never have anything in the back just get a dual cab ute to make them feel big and tough 😂

[@icollidge]

​@@mrkring1526unlike yourself, who speaks for the majority of online trolls.

[@clipzed]

It’s great for me! I don’t tow but throw a lot of dirty stuff and bikes etc in my tray

[@CaptainSwoop]

Very graciously handled - well done. A technical side note - daylight saving buggered my Nana's curtains so now she won't have a bar of this electric car codswallop!

[@TerryHickey-xt4mf]

ha ha, we are in the curtain business here in NZ, and you would not believe how accurate you are. I will never be able to convince people that daylight saving is ruining their curtains and their paint job on their house, and we are are in NZ! evidently we are close to the south pole.😃

[@johnemerson5383]

So when you're out camping, how long do you reckon it's going to take you to run down a 30 kwh battery considering that's over twice the size of a home Tesla Powerwall?

[@Family_and_Happiness]

I could be wrong, but I think that's about 1200ah @ 12v. That's sizeable, but if you're running an aircon in your caravan off it, it'll get used up pretty quick.

[@johnemerson5383]

@@Family_and_Happiness That's absolutely true but it wasn't designed to run a caravan air conditioner. The V2L is for running a couple of lights, maybe an Engel fridge, a coffee machine, that sort of thing.

[@siraff4461]

@@johnemerson5383 How are you going to get there with 30kWh if it has to use the battery to drive the car half the time? This is the big issue - you might start your whole trip with 30kWh but if you can't charge it - which you usually can't in the woods - then it doesn't take long for it to become a big paperweight that a ~100kW engine then has to lug about on top of all your other stuff. You are highly unlikely to ever rock up at a campsite with the battery full or even anywhere close.

[@Family_and_Happiness]

Should last a fair while then. Hopefully solar can be plugged into it.

[@goaway9977]

​@@johnemerson5383 Pretty lame if that's the case. You've been able to do all that for decades now with after market secondary batteries in your 4x4. If you can't power a caravan for at least one night same as you would at a camp site with power then I don't really see how this is even a selling feature.

[@ayushshakya4057]

Awsome video guys... keep up the honest work and review... wooo

[@4vdean]

the voices to the comments are GOLD

[@Stevesmate4503]

Hey Paul crazy question. Could you do engine modifications to get more power or would you have to upgrade the electrical side of things as well ?

[@bushmagpie3312]

Very interesting, just to add to it, a semi off-road caravan for a normal family is avg of 2100kg, with all your gear it will be at 2500kg. The towing is avg for normal family. As you stated free camping will degrade the battery. We have a Prado and 2500kg is ideal. The 12% gradient is very low especially towing 2500kg caravan, how does it go off-road towing on track? All EV cars are crap at towing. Also thumping charge into battery will murder its life, trickle charging will extend its life if you use the full battery. Do BYD give you a degrading factor for 50% duty cycle?

[@clipzed]

It’s 8 years with more than 70% for the battery. So what if it can’t tow? I don’t understand the big deal.. buy a different car… A phev with 0-100 in less than 6 seconds with more storage than an outlander and some off-road capability for under 60k on a novated lease is pretty good to me. A new Prado is 100k

[@bushmagpie3312]

For a first generation it’s a good effort but when manufacture pushes the dual cab when 90% of all other utes are towing vehicles it lacks the stated focal point of its advertising. Towing, caravans don’t come with Harry Potter wands or Star Trek transporter to get to destinations. They should advertise it to a different group of people.

[@clipzed]

@@bushmagpie3312 mate take a drive the suburbs and you’ll see 99% of houses with a Ute do not have a caravan or anything remotely close to 2T.

[@bushmagpie3312]

@ ours must be only suburb isn’t the norm (caravans, boats & trailers). Each to their own view. Maybe manufacture got marketing slightly off with caravan and projector?

[@aussietaipan8700]

Well said in every respect Paul. For me, my EV is for daily driving and some extended driving. My Diesel 4x4 is the tow car, it does this so well. While I've seen and driven the Shark, it will not suit my requirements and I do not see tradies with trailers purchasing them.

[@purefuel]

2800rpm in the Prado means it was in 4th gear. I've towed with the 2.8l Toyota diesel automatic at 5t Total mass. 5th gear 2200rpm@100kmh is no problem on the flats. This 3kn drag load that this dyno trailer is providing would be like an 8t total mass. Keep it simple. Put the 2.5t trailer on and drive at 100kmh on the flats in to a headwind

[@springweng]

I think you missed one point. when towing , you will need to set the SOC to 70% which means , the generator always come on much earlier and you will always use the electrical motor and also use more fuels.. I saw people in china drive the Leopard 5 which shares the similar DMO as shark 6, from east coast to Tibet. it is a long up hills roads from sea level to 5,000m above the sea level. In this case, people set the soc charge to 70%. during this kind of trip, it will use more fuel, but you wont use power. So In real towing situation here in Australia, we wont have continues uphill road for more than few kms. So it is unlikely the battery to run down to 20% when setting the SOC to 70%. For the 12% grade limitation when towing, you are 100% right, the electrical motor will need to have some inertia to keep going, otherwise, it will be stalled once it is stopped on that grade. I have a caravan weight nearly 3 ton. I have to wait and see.

[@purplehazeffc]

So if setting the SOC to 70%, the vehicle will use more petrol (up to 2x) than an equivalent diesel-powered ute. So then what is the point of having a hybrid powered ute?? When they are all marketed as "efficient" "environmentally friendly" etc.

[@commentkreeper3892]

He literally covers this topic about SOC at 8 mins in. No one is an expert on this car and especially not people in the comments section who probably haven't even seen the vehicle in real life let alone drive one. Its clear this model of the shark isn't designed for towing and if bought for the purpose of towing a van or something I would expect you'll be quite disappointed. I would wait for the rumoured 2 litre version with higher tow capacity.

[@aljoubert8749]

If the battery can assist you will be able to take off from ~23% slope. The 12% limit is with a battery that can provide no assistance.

[@jackh4787]

Bravo Mr Maric. Reading the comments can be a slippery slope for content creators, but this video calling out those tools is completely justified. You literally said it was fantastic hoofing the trailer up that hill. It seems the fanboys can only handle positive commentary.

[@TerryHickey-xt4mf]

is this a road legal production test, if not they will have to go back and do it all again, and they will of course.

[@aussieman3582]

I think a nice small turbo diesel will be better engine in these vehicles. I'm looking forward to future mods.

[@andrer8583]

Paul, regarding the low battery level, I think it is fine showing the edge case scenario, as you did, but one can argue that at the very least you should have started with or at least included the same test at the bowl with the battery starting at 100% to show the more likely everyday situation that most potential owners would find themselves in. This omission is perhaps why people are finding the intent of your previous video a bit suspect. Please include this in your next test with the production car.

[@redl-ine]

If the BYD made taking that trailer up the hill a breeze, why wouldn't you then tow the dyno trailer under the same starting conditions? The indepentant hill test seemed to start at a high SOC, yet the dyno 'comparison' test was done with a depleted SOC. To me its like comparing a tow test with a 100% full fuel tank and a 25% full tank and in the end going 'yep, a full tank allows you to tow further'

[@mikejudywoods6286]

Excellent and Rational Rebuttal to some of those crazy and uninformed comments Paul - People never change!

[@xboxice2005]

If I had this Ute I would plug it in as much as I could I would first treat it as a low range EV kinda like my old Nissan LEAF 😊

[@RobertB56]

If I am not mistaken isn't this the first attempt by BYD at a Ute just imagine what their next lot are going to be like considering the Legacy manufacturers have been building them for years,some ICE owners seem to feel threatened by anything that is an EV vehicle.

[@simonr23]

They have the benefit of over a century of battery and motor knowledge. Plus the same for general automotive.

[@ev0wat]

@@simonr23yet it can’t go up a hill 😂🤭🤣

[@TerryHickey-xt4mf]

@@simonr23 who have?

[@johnsteve1352]

Just a reminder, this Shark is still pre-production units. None of the Sharks have been delivered to customers yet. There still might some big software changes coming.

[@JimmyLLL]

The vehicle has been on sale for a few months overseas. This seems like a crappy excuse.

[@johnsteve1352]

@JimmyLLL different region will have slightly different tunes. And different regions' customer demands will be different so it will need some adjustments

[@grumpyfeet7575]

Don’t buy something on the promise of an upcoming features or fix.

[@TerryHickey-xt4mf]

@@JimmyLLL in l/h drive.

[@Woat30]

A good excuse for the numerous faults " pre production".

[@L-lp9fl]

Might be an easy fix for BYD hope fully and make it even harder for the others to come by. Good for pointing it out!

[@SunnyS2711]

That’s called unpaid/non sponsored review aka true review. Awesome review Paul

[@danegrant201]

Another great video Paul, some people are very sensitive about criticism on EV's even though most of your review was positive.

[@TerryHickey-xt4mf]

it is a new era, so no surprises there.

[@craigst1300]

Paul, looking forward to you doing a full comparison between the Shark and the plug-in hybrid Ranger when they become available

[@TerryHickey-xt4mf]

they are not the same in reality.

[@dominic-ryan]

Great video. I appreciate the direct language being used. I do a lot of off grid caravan camping, so the V2L feature was very appealing to me. Having watched your Shark series though it appears it won't be the right tool for the job. I think people are perhaps forgetting that this is what a utility vehicle is. All the best to BYD, I think the Shark is going to be a hit for metro based dual cab usage. I love the invovation they are bringing to market here 👍

[@siraff4461]

V2L in general is very overrated. The adverts always conveniently forget that you're asking the battery to power the vehicle and whatever you use afterwards - when the battery isn't really big enough for the vehicle in the first place. Its the same shady advertising they use when they quote unrealistic range numbers based on full to flat (which you're never going to do unless you like pushing), then quote charging times from 20%-80% which means you're only getting 60% back in anyway. The best option is still batteries in the van and charge them as you go.

[@dominic-ryan]

@siraff4461 absolutely. It's all a compromise, especially when off-grid camping. Was looking at V2L as more of a backup to the van batteries in those rare events we've parked up and get multiple super hot and/or humid nights in a row and want the AC on. Don't think the battery tech is there yet (especially for shared duties of campsite and running a vehicle) and a small petrol geni is a hell of a lot cheaper for regularity this scenario comes about.

[@siraff4461]

@@dominic-ryan I see where you're coming from and it would be great but its still nowhere near with the batterys we have at the moment. I looked into the solar "generators" but they are ultra limited capacity and take an age to charge even in ideal conditions. A small genny is still the cheapest/easiest way to take power with you. LPG generators are a good option by all accounts. You don't get as much power per size as the petrol ones but since they can share the gas from the van in the first place (if the van has it), it keeps it all pretty easy to stay on top of. A couple of decent bottles last quite a while and you can get them pretty much anywhere.

[@daniellorkin6298]

The only downside is if you don't want the vehicle hooked up all the time. This battery can put out 6kw V2L and the car can idle it back up to 70% when it gets low ready for you to head off again. Really struggling to see how a solar/lithium/petrol generator genuinely outperforms this otherwise.

[@russellseaman8737]

Thanks CE, a lot clearer. I did find the first review excellent but confusing in areas. Thanks for the additional advice.

[@jgalasso7982]

Thanks for the video! I’m considering buying a Tremor, but I’m a bit concerned about the 4-cylinder engine when towing my 2T trailer. Any thoughts?

[@FatalXS]

I just want to tow a two ton boat and put it in and out of the water. Will this be ok for that?

[@jbh2761]

I down loaded the Manuel to read to get a understanding generally of the Shark as I’ve been very interested in this Ute , bloody hell what a novel to read .. it’s good and quietly detailed but it made me somewhat reserved , I think the best thing to do for myself is wait for the Ute to be released and get some feed back from the new owners and take a good test drive myself , thank you Paul as always I appreciate what you guys do presenting all the new vehicles and having a bit of laugh on the way 👍

[@TerryHickey-xt4mf]

did you read the manual of your ranger or your hi lux? you may be surprised. However this discussion is great for our future, and people to come to grips with a new enough tech that seems to get everyone commenting! good for the channel and good for the future of pick ups in the future, sorry, utes.

[@anthonybamford8823]

Thanks mate. A bit sad that you have had to explain yourself. Do you reckon a 1.5t trailer will avoid such an edge case scenario? I only ever plan to tow a camper trailer and boat , both under 1.5t.

[@Mikky-The-Hat]

The 2.5t trailer he towed in real world conditions including a long steep hill did perfectly. He even commented on how well it towed.

[@siraff4461]

Its not so much the weight as the overall load - weight, grade, drag and all that. It looks like it can make 100kW constantly which with an average camper and normal conditions I would say is worth around 90-100km/h. Of course you then have the battery to boost that and so long as it has charge it will do pretty much whatever speed you like but that will deplete over time if you stay above 100kW usage. If you're happy to sit at 80-90k's its never going to drop power off unless you're uphill into the wind for a very long run. If you like to do 120k's its probably going to de-rate regularly.

[@Mikky-The-Hat]

@@siraff4461 again, he tested all of that with the least aerodynamic trailer, in real world conditions, including a long steep climb at 100% of GCM. What reason is there to think it will only be capable of 80-90km/h towing a camper? What calculations did you do to get you there? Maybe you can share your workings?

[@ArgonsGas]

I do the same with my current car a 3.2l Ranger, I just canceled my order as I won't be able to tow the boat up the boat ramp if it's too steap. I could attempt it but if something went wrong insurance may not cover you as you would be operating the vehical outside of it's rated limits. I also tow on sand and when it's soft im sure the BYD would fall over pretty quick as it doesn't have any reduction gears, so it'll probably be fine most of the time I just would't trust it on a steep hill towing or on soft sand towing at all. hence why i cancelled my order.

[@siraff4461]

@@Mikky-The-Hat What reason do you have to think it would do more? You say he tested it with a long uphill? I saw a few hundred yards - hardly anything when we're talking about towing on the road. remember it didn't even do two laps from ~70% charge before de-rating heavily with a 3kn load - equivalent to a medium caravan up a reasonable slope. You seem really keen on it so I'm sure you can explain how a ~100kW engine can stay above the curve when you're asking it to use more than that over an extended period of time. The batteries will get charged with regen on the downhills, won't they? I mean the second law of thermodynamics disagrees with you but lets not let some pesky thing like that get in the way of a good story, eh?

[@laceyunderall68]

Why didn’t BYD put bigger ostentatious letters on the grill? The standard ones just aren’t big enough!I’m so angry 😤 🤭

[@TerryHickey-xt4mf]

I think you being a bit .Sa........ but I think the letters are just right, after all, we have been used to all the legacy guys doing it for decades, and it seems to work.

[@paulargent1003]

Fully agree with you , let's see it in action up a steep winding climb stuck behind a couple of vans or a b double.

[@richardorsulich4698]

The best thing is you didn’t blur the names out

[@chrisyoung7157]

Looks great for the school run, in the city!

[@TerryHickey-xt4mf]

must be a big city? about 80km on ev per day.

[@PhilipStaniland]

I watched the video with the tow tests, I thought it was excellent and the issues raised probably won't concern me, so I placed my order. 😁

[@tld8102]

this is good journalism. but you should've not tested the vehicle until the production model is released. you are not testing this for BDY, you're testing this for the consumer

[@sneakyfoz3692]

That’s on BYD, nothing to do with Car Expert, BYD were happy to supply the car for testing, pre production or not, stupid comment.

[@user-hw8uh1qv4h]

How will it do on boat ramps...?

[@oldskoolchevy1593]

After owning a Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV for 5 years, I got kicked off the PHEV Facebook page for posting my sub-optimal ownership experience and info like this video. There were so many rules I supposedly broke, like not saving the battery for hills so it wouldn’t go into turtle mode (like the BYD did with the trailer). People/PHEV fans don’t want to hear anything negative about their vehicles. I think people take mental ownership of the vehicle because they have made a choice to buy it, thinking they are doing some good moral duty - the vehicle becomes part of their personality.

[@glennO-e9r]

I had an Outlander PHEV, you keep it in charge setting when towing or driving up mountain roads.

[@glennO-e9r]

I had an Outlander PHEV, you keep it in charge setting when towing or driving up mountain roads.

[@jjbee9229]

12% Max gradient for towing seems woeful. It just says towing, so can we assume that means not only towing a lightweight 2.5t caravan but this also means an average 2t camper trailer. Will I void the warranty by going over the 12% That means I can't go on holidays through the Blue mountains or outer Melbourne freeway and even the Adelaide Hills freeway. I guess Alice Springs and surrounds will be ok, If I go the long way to avoid any hills.

[@060racing8]

I feel a vast improvement could be had if a 2-speed gearbox better off-road better towing ability.

[@ev0wat]

🗑️

[@ScottMurrayBestFamilyCars]

Stewie Griffin does voiceovers now. He all growed up.

[@AllTerrainActionEV]

Essentially, from your previous video, I gathered that the Shark 6 could theoretically tow continuously with a power output of around 100 kW, as that's the maximum capacity of the onboard generator paired with the T1.5L engine. In this scenario, it seems you could sustain operation just within that power range? I wonder how long the dino juice engine can keep up with that.. that would be an interesting peice of information to know.

[@siraff4461]

I would imagine thats its rated power so in theory until the tank runs dry - which won't be all that long considering the fuel it was using under that load. Wasn't it something like 32l/100kms? Its got a 60l tank so full to pushing it in under 200kms.

[@AllTerrainActionEV]

@ yeah that’s painful, I do remember seeing a 30L/100 reading somewhere!

[@user-pp6kw6yl6z]

Only some real world testing will prove this, not sensationalised 'media' videos.

[@siraff4461]

@@AllTerrainActionEV Thats one of the problems using undersized petrol engines. They're great until they need a load of boost then they have to pull timing and add fuel to prevent knock so they become very inefficient and drink like a fish.

[@TerryHickey-xt4mf]

@@siraff4461 this is not the vehicle for you then.

[@Daniel-u7x8j]

Gotta give Ford and Toyota a reason to keep handing out the gold level fleet discount!

[@dmaskell]

I would like to see a video with the shark on the simulated country road for an extended period with the trailer, I’m curious how long and steep of a hill you need to get into this situation given on a real road it will regen a bit down hill, charge a bit in the flat, and deplete up the hills. Have you calculated how steep/long a hill your 3kN load is simulating? I’m trying to get a perspective of practically when it would be likely to run into issues.

[@TerryHickey-xt4mf]

if the battery is still full at the top of a hill you will not get regen braking on the way down, that sounds a bit unrealistic to me. Someone like myself has owned an ev for 2 years and is used to the regen effect. Also with the shark, you can set the battery charge level to say, 50% or 70% etc to cater for this possible scenario. This is why we have to learn how to drive using this new tech, it will happen, but will take a bit of getting used to initially.

[@Rusty_Gold85]

Now attach this to the description area of that older video so the complaints are dealt with

[@jonathanrashleigh8771]

@carexpert can you please tell us what the maximum towing gradient for a Ford Ranger is?

[@TerryHickey-xt4mf]

you may be disappointed.