Carl Jung: The REAL REASON for Nietzsche's Madness

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@raymond_sycamore 9 ай бұрын

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@miglriccardi 9 ай бұрын

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@mouradmhm3244 8 ай бұрын

One significant factor contributing to Nietzsche's madness is the profound conflict between his ideals and his personal limitations. He championed a philosophy of unapologetic acceptance of life, yet he was an exceptionally sensitive individual. This sensitivity is evident in his writing at times. In "Ecce Homo," he extols the concept of *amor fati*-the love of fate-but in the same work, he also states that the only excuse for God is that He doesn’t exist, revealing a deep-seated resentment towards the world. This internal contradiction between his philosophical aspirations and personal disposition likely exacerbated his mental struggles.

@prorok21 8 ай бұрын

A true INTJ

@tr7b410 8 ай бұрын

Me thinks his over thinking about his own egocentric nature drove him to madness. Have you noticed how agitated people with mental illness appear.?The egos destructive nature is on display. This is how the eastern philosophies counters the egos narcisstic awe of itself & is destroyed in deep meditation, which ironically enough stimulates the kundalini shakti=the jumping off place towards a higher introspection than the EGOS MACHINATIONS. Only in SAMADHI can the ego be destroyed.But what is SAMADHI.? Google search Ramana Maharshi-Be as you are Chapter 12 Experience and Samadhi...Sahaja samadhi-the unified field of awareness or Born Again when the ego is destroyed along with its subconscious mind-unconscious mind revealing the superconscious mind 24/7.Godspeed

@EllyCatfox 8 ай бұрын

@@redguy2489wonderful insight. Thank you. 💜

@tr7b410 8 ай бұрын

@redguy2489 His intellectual hubris gifted him 1 thing:A critical thinking mind,like Ram Dass aka Prof Richard Albert's use of LSD gifted him you are not your thinking mind.Enter his Guru in Sahaja Samadhi Neem Karoli Baba. To understand Samadhi Google search Ramana Maharshi-Be as you are Chapter 12 Experience and Samadhi...Sahaja samadhi-the unified field of awareness or Born Again when the ego is destroyed along with its subconscious mind-unconscious mind revealing the superconscious mind 24/7.

@urbanbowman61 8 ай бұрын

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@Laradicequadrata 9 ай бұрын

here we go boys, more of Jung and Nietzsche. You made my day

@laurelsoderholm9480 8 ай бұрын

You are a love! !

@ryanrohn4561 9 ай бұрын

There is a depth of mystery one need never stop exploring, when it comes to the territory these 2 men dove into, at their own risk : it's a topic I'll never grow tired of. Multiple readings of Jung's Memories Dreams Reflections and Nietzsche's Beyond Good and Evil, and Thus Spake Zarathustra. So much yet still to wander through. Excellent work with this presentation!

@scribbling2much 7 ай бұрын

Nietzsche changed the direction of my life. I love the measured reason with which Jung brings clarity to Nietzsche's very emotional philosophy, that is so experiential an absorbing. Thank you for this. I was fortunate to have met one of Carl Jung s associates before he died. The reverence he held for Jung and the companionship of those that worked with him was something I will always remember.

@jillfryer6699 7 ай бұрын

Indeed you were fortunate!

@allenandrews2380 9 ай бұрын

Man. I'm fascinated by what I call " compensatory display" and it relationship to how our immune system works on the biological level. So often we meet people who are compensating for an inner frustration or attempting to work something out on a deep personal level, but much like those biological systems, we can take it to far , and end up cannibalizing ourselves. I believe jung was definitley wise to notice this lack of integration in nietchze,and so many of us. Great presentation as always.

@alykathryn 8 ай бұрын

“That, I thought, was his morbid misunderstanding: that he [Nietzsche] fearlessly and unsuspectingly let his No. 2 loose upon a world that knew and understood nothing about such things.” . . . “And he fell-tightrope-walker that he proclaimed himself to be--into depths far beyond himself. He did not know his way about in this world and was like a man possessed, one who could be handled only with the utmost caution.” (C. G. Jung, Memories, Dreams, Reflections) “When Zarathustra had thus spoken, one of the people called out: ‘We have now heard enough of the rope-dancer; it is time now for us to see him!’ And all the people laughed at Zarathustra. But the rope-dancer, who thought the words applied to him, began his performance.” “Zarathustra, however, looked at the people and wondered. Then he spake thus: Man is a rope stretched between the animal and the Superman-a rope over an abyss.” (Nietzsche, Thus Spoke Zarathustra)

@jillfryer6699 7 ай бұрын

Extraordinary. The abyss

@ryan.1990 3 ай бұрын

Your pfp is hilarious, no way you think you actually look like a woman 😅

@_7.8.6 9 ай бұрын

Jung looks at Nietzsche how Nietzsche looks at Socrates

@Bldernnr 8 ай бұрын

Nietzsche was anti Socratic

@xonack 7 ай бұрын

how’s that?

@_7.8.6 7 ай бұрын

@@xonack read his critique of Socrates

@alexgrimsson6143 7 ай бұрын

close..but not exact enough........

@Venmaylove 6 ай бұрын

2 fluffy cats in the bush is better than one short haired cat in the hand

@alejandrotality 9 ай бұрын

I usually find it difficult to find good commentary on intellectual titans like Jung and Nietzschie because people speak about them as though they are super heroes, but listening to you makes me feel like both Jung and Nietzschie as just people. Don't get me wrong, I still find both of them to be true sages, but now that I see them as more human figure, their knowledge feels more understandable now. Thank you for the podcast, it was genuinely illuminating

@MsJavaWolf 9 ай бұрын

I definitely noticed this in myself when I think about the ancient Greek philosophers, someone like Plato is like a mythical figure to me. At least I noticed it, but it's still not easy to be unbiased about their views.

@AjNotsri 8 ай бұрын

… I think both men were great thinkers. I don’t think anyone can stand with Nietzsche as far as depth psychology and continental philosophy except Kirkegaard and Dostoyevsky. I would wager that both Nietzsche and Jung were at least honest in their own development of perspectives in trying to understand how this place works with all of the various variables that go into what a man is and what he can become. I do believe both had their own daemons running in the background (like computer scripts…not ironic that this is what they are really called in Information Technology )…because atheism and materialism were already dying it just took awhile for the stench to reach the populace. The only truly intellectually honest atheist is a nihilist and if that nihilist can pause his script for a second and look at the sheer impossibility of the evolutionary theory, the Big Bang, irreducible complexity, the Goldie locks phenomenon, Fibonacci sequence, fractals, etc…then he will quickly become some type of agnostic and be swept up by the Likes Of William James, Gnostics, Jung, etc…If that newly agnostic can keep going and trudge through that oneness modality mess and really start humbling themselves they may actually start beginning to understand and close in on the fact that there is a creator singular that is…now the task becomes who is the creator? I know Nietzsche and Jung’s own daemons, archetypes, etc…kept them running around trying to find out and figure out why reality seems to be able to provide both evidence for and against any particular view on almost any topic. This has become even more clear in the age of information. Nietzsche’s descent into madness was his will to order which became an actual possession! Jung it seems was able to stay a bit more fluid but just as deceived! Both of these men were deceived.

@alejandrotality 8 ай бұрын

@@AjNotsri I think that the biggest barrier that keeps the vast majority of people who are trying to understand The One Creator is contending with the existence of tragedy and evil. "If God is all good, why does evil exist?" or "If the universe is truly neutral and devoid of meaning, why do objectively bad things exist?" etc... I like Jung and Nietzsche a lot and regarded them as superheroes because they gave me mental tools to approach this barrier. Nietzsche by questioning morality, which helped me remove it from its status as an absolute thing, and Jung with his research on the Self helped me understand that God didn't make a mistake by creating evil/tragedy and that Jesus and Satan are one and the same because Jesus, being an image of the Self, must include its evil side in order to be whole and perfect, which he has in Satan. Even this understanding by itself might be too much for those trying to understand The One, if they haven't gone through the transformation that you described. I don't imagine that someone who hasn't lost their adoration for conventional images and icons, just to later rediscover that same adoration after falling in love with the orderly chaos of Existence, could ever come to terms with a Oneness that allows Evil / Tragedy to exist... because that would require them to also accept their inate and enacted human evil. Something akin to crashing headfirst into Nihilism at 300 Km/H.

@bobvillanueva712 6 ай бұрын

Plainly put JUNG and NIETZSCHE are all about BUDDHISM, yea?...................................................

@alejandrotality 6 ай бұрын

@@bobvillanueva712 maybe. What connections have you found?

@phantomggg 8 ай бұрын

I’ve only read Jung’s Man and His Symbols. I’ve listened to many talks like this about his life’s work and my inevitable deep dive into the rest of his work is essential and over due. Talks like this rekindle my excitement for knowledge I’ve yet to receive. My interest has been focused on Hegel for the last few months and I’ve been avoiding studying these two thinkers alongside each other, but after this episode I think I will.

@MichaelRobertson-i8f 4 ай бұрын

Being 74 years old and my Grandmother was a Lutheran from Germany heritage while my Grandfather was Danish and he lived to the age of 91 . He would tell me stories about his childhood and his life until I was 23 years old. I have his old Double barrel 16 ga. Shotgun and his fly rod being made of split bamboo and the flys he made. Being the oldest of 7 children I feel so Blessed to have known all of my Grandparents and my brothers have asked me about them. My Grandparents on my Mothers side were German females and Irish and Danish on the Male side. I told German when I was in Junior High School . Thank you for giving me the opportunity to express myself. Personally I have become a Gnostic and follow The Book of Enoch, I only wish that my Grandfather could have seen these writings.

@sethmortimer1161 8 ай бұрын

Lately it occurs to me that Neitzshe was one of the few philosophers who lived as he thought. His final years were famously spent in silence categorised by commentators as an mental illness of unknown aetiology. What if this was not pure "will" to explore the precipice and become anchorite. Oh and there it's now talked about in this post.

@ExistenceUniversity 3 ай бұрын

So he proved his philosophy is insane

@alchemybyangela 8 ай бұрын

I was listening to a completely unrelated video while decorating my new apartment and when it ended your video (quite thankfully) was next on autoplay. Having had a philosophical mind since my young teens I'm always interested in and in search of channels like yours. I'm tremendously grateful for having been newly introduced to your channel. With love and appreciation from a new subscriber who's excited to listen to more of your older and all of your new to come videos.

@2009Artteacher 9 ай бұрын

Thanks for looking at this from all sides. I was fortunate to have Dr. Marion Woodamn as a high school English Teacher for five years. In my graduate year, she left teaching to attend the Jungian Institute in Switzerland. Later, she became an international icon in Jungian Psychology, an analyst, and the author of five books. I was raised a Christian, so I understood well the opposite views of Philosophy and Psychology. She would talk about them from time to time. Certainly, when entering university, I was way ahead of the game due to her teaching, which most had no clue about. I actually entered therapy, and the Dr said I was obsessed with the mind. Much due to it was the waters I was raised in. I always emphasized that one, when reading Nietzsche, should first read the great works he challenges or inverted as his personification of the antichrist that came before him. I want you to know that you are well presenting the philosophers who influenced Nietzsche. IT IS IMPORTANT! Many read Nietzsche as a comic book hero and hang on his every word rather than critically sorting it through to see the underlying works he changed from its religious and philosophical form into psychology. Many use the term inflated in everyday language, though in its proper context, as you refer to Jungs analytical view as a persona identification with an archetype. Nietzsche's persona identifies with the saviour complex (Christ) and wisdom ( Sophocles), wanting to cause a paradigm shift by knocking the pillars down rather than as a bridge. He, in fact, horrified the reader through his violent obsession. Jung has the psychologist tempter to absorb and listen before analyzing what he is trying to say. Your wording as a skit of the story of Abraham is biased toward Nietzsche; you have God telling the man to kill his child. Though he left out the angel's voice ( as in the Bible), it became his enlightened consciousness, raising him from the unconscious to consciousness. In psychological terms, ego awareness is where he chooses not to, as in Jung's psychology. Nietzsche would have no part of consciousness. Thanks again.

@laurelsoderholm9480 8 ай бұрын

Love this

@aguspuig6615 26 күн бұрын

Love this. Also a friendly piece of advice from someone with a comparable writting style to you. Separate your stuff. Into paragraphs. Much more people will read it. A wall of text like that is daunting to stare down, and might lead people to miss out on awsome ideas.

@zerotwo7319 9 ай бұрын

super ultra dope thumbnail.

@Christopherogley 7 ай бұрын

The same photo on the front of a book by him..my pal put a sauve ket moustache on him and still has the screensaver 20yrs later ...it's slowly becoming an archetype

@ImJustAnOnion 5 ай бұрын

Wicked mega dope comment ❤

@emmabovary9374 6 ай бұрын

All his life, Jung was frightened that he would become mad, like Nietzsche. And he did, after his breakup with Freud. Unlike Nietzsche he recovered and used his experience of psychosis constructively. This fear, however, and posthumous rivalry, robbed him of compassion for Nietzsche.

@alena-qu9vj 6 ай бұрын

Why should anybody have compassion for Nietzsche, him, who despised compassion above all?

@De_Selby 6 ай бұрын

@@alena-qu9vj tell me you know nothing about Nietzche without telling me you know nothing about Nietzche.

@alena-qu9vj 6 ай бұрын

@@De_Selby At least I know how to spell Nietzsche properly 😅

@emmabovary9374 4 ай бұрын

Sadly, some of these comments are made not by persons who know Nietzsche’s writings and biography well, but desperately want to appear important. NB Nietzsche despised pity which is rather different from compassion. His correspondence reveals that he had too much of compassion, and his ‘mask of hardness’ was a defence against it. In effect, a defence against himself.

@alena-qu9vj 4 ай бұрын

@@emmabovary9374 Original "Mitleid" definitely translates "compassion" and aparently google is full of experts who just want to appear important: ..."Nietzsche is known for his penetrating critique of Mitleid (now commonly rendered as “compassion”). He seems to be critical of all compassion but at times also seems to praise a different form of compassion, which he refers to as “our compassion” and contrasts it with “your compassion” (BGE 225). Some commentators have interpreted this to mean that Nietzsche’s criticism is not as unconditional as it may seem - that he does not condemn compassion entirely. I disagree and contend that even though Nietzsche appears to speak favorably of some forms of compassion, he regards the nature of all compassion to be fundamentally bad. Furthermore, I suggest that Nietzsche’s discussion on different forms of compassion have significant implications for achieving greatness and meaning in life. More specifically, I argue that, for Nietzsche, “our compassion,” however regrettable qua compassion it is, may give occasion for a rare and peculiar insight into “co-suffering” with others, which in turn results in overcoming compassion entirely. I also argue that although Nietzsche objects to compassion, he approves of a form of what feminist theorists might now call “anticipatory empathy.” Even though a large body of literature has evolved over Nietzsche’s critical evaluation of compassion, his understanding of a non-compassionate response to suffering is, in my view, rather overlooked and should receive more attention. abstract from "Nietzsche’s Compassion Vasfi O. Özen" being jutst one of the many expert opinions. But if you think your opinion is the only holy truth just enjoy.

@davidkinney867 9 ай бұрын

I think there's enough documentation about Nietzsche's physical illness driving him into ?insanity? to say Jung and many others unfairly judge his insanity as a pure insanity unaffected by illness. In truth I believe Freud and Jung were far more indebted to Nietzsche than they wanted to admit. He was a brilliant thinker with concepts that opened their eyes. I prefer to think of Nietzsche as Walter Kaufman did as deserving to be known as a great thinker.

@kevinbeck8836 9 ай бұрын

Only sane comment. Was getting nauseous with all the Jung dickriders. I’ll be frank, Jung is having a moment because Peterson cant resist name dropping him. History had mostly forgotten about him and after Peterson goes Jung will go with him

@xmathmanx 9 ай бұрын

The seminars on Zarathustra mentioned here went on for May years and the book is about 1400 pages, so you can't reasonably doubt that Jung considered him very important

@xmathmanx 9 ай бұрын

In these seminars Jung states explicitly that he thinks the effort of writing Zarathustra was what caused Nietzsches breakdown

@lotharlamurtra7924 9 ай бұрын

@@xmathmanx this is what Jung said. Because the inflation of the archetype. Let’s think about it. Are more “archetypal inflation” in Jung’s writings?

@xmathmanx 9 ай бұрын

@@lotharlamurtra7924 yes, of course, it was a main theme of Jungs

@jrfii-yt 9 ай бұрын

Looking forward to your future content. I'm excited for the broader topics you mentioned at the end of this video.

@LDJ-r8e 8 ай бұрын

56:44 I love measuring someone’s soul based on how much truth they can tolerate. After the last few years I appreciate and value so much more than before, someone’s ability to handle difficult truths about our reality. I never realized how few people can actually handle the truth whole truth. I figured it was maybe 40-50% of people that could be described that way. But after the pandemic and all of the other revelations, revelations about our governments and institutions, the way the world works, over the last decade I realize it’s more like 5-10% of the population that can actually stand the truth.

@garyhambleton2374 8 ай бұрын

In light of the current political climate, the mind boggles at what you would characterize or define as 'the truth.' It seems evermore to mean whatever you choose it to be, regardless of how far it strays from someone/everyone else's truth. Good luck with trying to convince others of your interpretation of it. That is the basis of the individualistic, relativistic notion of 'truth.'

@ChristineMeyer-hs9rg 8 ай бұрын

I agree with you. There is truth and there is reality. Neo Marxism strives to convince us otherwise. The idea is to create cognitive dissonance, confusion and demoralisation. In particular over identity. What people find most difficult is the depth and breadth of evil being perpetrated upon us. 100 years of psychological research into human behaviour is being employed to effect mind control and shape behaviour. This is mainly constant exposure and repetition of what they want you to accept. They use fear as motivation as people "herd" with the majority when threatened. They researched the medical field as being the most efficacious to induce this behaviour. They invested a lot of time in creating specialised "experts". The news readers held their positions over many decades to form a relationship with people. The manipulation of the statistics and the use of modelling also comes from Psychology. They discouraged critical thinking in education and stopped educating people and started training them instead. They projected larger numbers of compliance than actually existed so that people would cleave to the "majority". Nothing was done that was not meticulously planned. If you know and love our creator God then you can understand evil and protect yourself from it. Faith gives protection from fear. They know 15% of people cannot be hypnotised. That's why the censorship was so strong and unforgiving. They divide to conquer. God had to "die" to create the environment in society conducive to their plans. These plans are made hundreds of years in advance and carried through generationally. Technology has given them the means to potential absolute control. Evolution was introduced to undermine God. People want to be seen as "educated" and "intelligent". They get people to invest and implicate themselves and when they do it's so much harder to admit that you were fooled and partly culpable. They are occultists from the old Mystery Schools. They have been around for thousands of years but remained hidden. It helps if you have read the Bible but most people haven't. This is why they hate Christians. All of this is no surprise to us. They worship the adversary. They are a sex and death cult. Murderers and liars.

@user-ms2mr2mc3g 7 ай бұрын

I can relate. Dug deep into WW2, and who controls the media and ivy League institutions.

@johnwibbels4678 7 ай бұрын

Sometimes it takes one’s madness to explain another’s existence and sanity.

@MrAmohameda1 7 ай бұрын

But is denial, denial, and demolition your standard of truth and a standard for intellectual independence, like Nietzsche’s method, for example? Goethe faulted Voltaire for his negative mentality and said that what he affirmed was no more valuable than what his old mother affirmed. That is, the value of human beings is what it proves, not what it denies Do not imagine the truth as a denial or contradiction to the majority, and consider it without criterion an indication of uniqueness and the power to bear the truth.

@entriun 9 ай бұрын

Hello hello thinkers. I would recommend to all of you the book "Nietzsche and Jung: The Whole Self in the Union of Opposites" by Lucy Huskinson. The book is derived from her doctoral thesis. What is important in this work is something similar to the content of this video - the similarities and differences in the thoughts of these two. Additionally, the book is an excellent review of all works by Nietzsche and all works by Jung through the prism of the "struggle" of opposites. The book also provides a good insight into the pre-Socratics, such as Heraclitus. There is a thread that connects these things and I think it leads very interestingly and intuitively to Bergson, Deleuze, and I will highlight Whitehead with his "philosophy (theology) of process". Finally, you should know: Support for this channel also from Serbia, I will try to spread the commendable work of this channel. Bravo!

@Big_Tough_Guy 9 ай бұрын

As the internet becomes more isolated and crazy, I'm finally going to get back into reading books lol, and I think I'm gonna start with this one. This sounds right up my alley. Thanks

@hlop8199 8 ай бұрын

Thanks for this book suggestion, and greetings to you in Serbia. I visited your country 3 times last year and look forward to visiting again. прелепи Београд!

@GodLandon 8 ай бұрын

I'm very interested in Whitehead, so I appreciate your comment greatly.

@AjNotsri 8 ай бұрын

@entriun 8 ай бұрын

@@AjNotsri Your thinking is interesting, especially in light of the fact that I have recently been encountering texts (specifically an audiobook) by Justin Popović, a Serbian theologian and priest who was educated at Oxford and who dealt with the philosophical and theological analysis of characters from Dostoevsky's novels. I was actually surprised at how Dostoevsky had already posed all the possible questions that confront humanity through the dialogues of atheist - theist, moralist - immoralist characters. Your statement that an atheist can only be a nihilist is something that was also a natural conclusion in Dostoevsky, which St. Justin Popović pointed out. On the other hand, there are scientific facts that you mentioned which are difficult to refute or interpret (or perhaps they don't need to be interpreted), and they remain.

@RealityFiles 9 ай бұрын

This is my favorite lecture this far. Long time listener. And I find jung's perspective potent and fascinating

@brendanerickson2363 9 ай бұрын

Best channel on YT! Thanks so much for the great content!

@ArtDuomo 8 ай бұрын

Thanks!

@gus8310 9 ай бұрын

Thank you very much for delving into, I do not have the time nor the will to sit down and read these books but am very interested in them. I find it hard to understand them sometimes. You have helped my understanding of philosophy 10 fold, thank you again.

@kalervolatoniittu2011 9 ай бұрын

Hear hear

@andyroobrick-a-brack9355 9 ай бұрын

Yeah, as someone with ADHD, I get too distracted to sit down in a quiet room and read a book. I can't stay still, I hate doing things in a linear fashion, I have to be exploring, creating and thinking my own thoughts, and these podcasts help me to process this information in a characteristically less strict, less linear fashion.

@Boris_Matijevic 6 ай бұрын

This was excellent thank you. You rarely find content that is of this high quality. I will definitely be supporting your patreon.

@untimelyreflections 6 ай бұрын

Thank you!

@sunflare8798 9 ай бұрын

"Mystical explanations are considered deep. The truth is that they are not even superficial" - Nietzsche foresaw Jung and those like him by a long shot

@lotharlamurtra7924 9 ай бұрын

I agree.

@Laotzu.Goldbug 9 ай бұрын

Jung is right about Nietzsche. Nietzsche is right about Jung. Their criticisms are not mutually exclusive.

@drackaryspt1572 9 ай бұрын

@@Laotzu.Goldbugexactly both understand and disagree with eachother whilst being right and wrong in different bits of their holistic views on the world, in my opinion. I think the right way to analyse them is to understand what they get right from them and why they were also wrong in other ways.

@HiperStyle 9 ай бұрын

We must not forget that Nietzsche was influenced by Darwin and the materialists of the 19th century.

@lotharlamurtra7924 9 ай бұрын

@@HiperStyle Indeed. Conversely I think there is no darwinism in Jung’s mind. Nevertheless Evolutionary Psychology in one side and Collective Inconscious and Archetypes in the other, have much in common. Jungians and Evolutionary Psychologist should think and work together!

@anthonycbash 7 ай бұрын

I also greatly enjoy the expansion beyond Nietzsche but appreciate your desire to keep the podcast centered on him. I found these two episodes on Jung very valuable and essential to better understand Nietzsche. Thank you!

@Vic-on5ic 8 ай бұрын

Carl Jung has saved the psyche of humanity.

@shootingstar3371 7 ай бұрын

thank god will have superman trump to the rescue. :D

@antoineduchamp4931 7 ай бұрын

Carl Jung saved my psyche, and my life when I wanted to end it

@antoineduchamp4931 7 ай бұрын

Carl Jung saved my psyche, and my life when I wanted to end it

@IULIUSLXIX 4 ай бұрын

True

@IULIUSLXIX 4 ай бұрын

@@antoineduchamp4931🤯 wow happened to me as well. When I found Jung I came to the conclusion that that was the way how god's were created by the human mind. And Jung help us a lot on how to deal with our self and also connect us with the divine.

@m.d.sharpe8892 8 ай бұрын

Really great talk. This is the first video I've watched of yours and you seem to have a way of presenting ideas fluidly, embedded within a greater narrative that makes the talk easily comprehensible

@Trenerdify 9 ай бұрын

I clicked the video because of the funny thumbnail. Made me chuckle, well done!

@Christopher-g3d8z 8 ай бұрын

Fabulous program.I am so deep into this program. The day after Orthodox Easter Pascha. The Church is darkened at Midnight and a one holy flame ignites all the candles and the members walk by in procession circular-everyone must leave the Church and the Priest is the one last out. On returning, he bangs the wooden cross loudly 3x on the door and shouts Open the Door! The members follow him back to the transformed Church.

@naziaamin3547 29 күн бұрын

I am reading Thus Spoke Zarathustra...and he's my favourite philosopher. After hearing this podcast, I feel Nietzsche had ADHD. I also studied Buddha, and I felt Buddha also had ADHD. They were both consumed by the mind, their default mode network was very active. Nietzsche embraced the madness, and advised us to 'become ourselves', BUT Buddha feared the madness, and taught us mindfulness and meditation, which breaks the patterns of our thoughts, and rewires our brain. One day I cling to the Nietzschean philosophy, and the next day I switch to Buddhist philosophy. One day I embrace solitude, and the next day I realise the importance of community. I think God is our own mind. Whatever we feed it, it becomes our God. Our mind has the power to descend us into madness, or even kill us, and it also has the power to heal us, and to make us happy. Now people with ADHD live in their heads, they can't produce dopamine, and they also lack norepinephrine, as per neuroscience. Yet people like Leonardo Da Vinci and Albert Einstein are considered the two most gifted geniuses of all time. What do they have in common? They both have ADHD. They became what they were, despite having ADHD, or because of it. Becoming is better than not becoming, but you have to understand that you can become mad in the process. Don't trust your mind always, it has the power to consume you, to deceive you. Be authentic, become who you are, spend time in solitude, but also understand your own mind, understand the patterns, understand the thought process. You will know when to rewire the brain, when to seek companion, and when to seek a community. Don't be in the herd, but keep a few sheep close by, they will save you from going completely insane.

@kevindame3757 5 ай бұрын

This is a perfect lecture as a pre-requisite to actually reading Zarathustra. Well done thank you for this information!

@elledoublar 7 ай бұрын

Bedankt

@dominickbisozio 7 ай бұрын

Damn dude you just got yourself a subscription..you did an excellent job of breaking all this down. I was able to follow you all the way threw with out losing any focus and or interest. Keep sharing/making content 🤙🏼

@SamanthaShelley 8 ай бұрын

Great video!

@uberboyo 9 ай бұрын

This was excellent!

@alejoblanco1980 Ай бұрын

This is the first time I listen to your podcast. This is absolutely out of the ballpark. This lecture is basically many semesters' worth of philosophy, psychology, and theology. You're going to put the education industry out of business.

@untimelyreflections Ай бұрын

Thank you!

@ranikalakaar 8 ай бұрын

This was so well done. Thank you.

@cheri238 9 ай бұрын

Thank you, as always, thoroughly engaging and informative.

@Thum8warri0r 9 ай бұрын

Would be so on board with as much Jung related work as you want to put out.

@paulatreides9895 9 ай бұрын

Brilliant!! That was Awesome! Will listen to several times. And share, of course.

@LizafromWhere 5 ай бұрын

So happy the algorithm gifted me this. Even happier when I saw the quality of the comments. I will both listen to and read all. What a beautiful community I stumbled into.

@chalykoff 8 ай бұрын

what an excellent lecture. how do i find more of your work.

@untimelyreflections 8 ай бұрын

Subscribe to the channel! 🙏

@brianlee360 9 ай бұрын

All that falls, rises; all that is lost finds its way back; all that is forgotten is remembered again.

@tarnopol 7 ай бұрын

I think what Jung was looking for was the word "syphilis."

@Roman4x 6 ай бұрын

Brilliant!

@erwinwoodedge4885 6 ай бұрын

that is the common understanding. but it is contested more and more.

@walterhoenig6569 6 ай бұрын

Gotta gave sex to get syphilis.

@KimmoteräväkynäNurmi 5 ай бұрын

No, it's always been a poor bs explanation about Nietzsches condition.

@mentalitydesignvideo 5 ай бұрын

@@KimmoteräväkynäNurmi poor as in "not entertaining enough"?

@Joseph-ax999 7 ай бұрын

This is why studying the ancient myths is so fascinating. These people were in touch with fundamental truths expressed in a way they could understand.

@kenswain3400 8 ай бұрын

At 38:38, you use the phrase "Terror Management Theory" in speaking of the notions of Freud. Since the 1980s this phrase was adopted to refer to the work of 3 experimental social psychologists who set out to test the theories of cultural anthropologist Ernest Becker. Upon hearing the phrase here, I couldn't help wondering if Freud actually used it, and also whether you have heard of the TMT studies I refer to; one of the psychologists, Sheldon Solomon, is a friend of mine. The Ernest Becker Foundation dissolved last year and many members would not discuss the work of Jung with me, they tending towards rigid secular materialism. Delighted you are using him in your interpretations here as I believe Jung's ideas will finally have to be considered in any comprehensive survey of the psychological nature of Humankind.

@lavbusarac2547 8 ай бұрын

My father once told me that madness, depression and despair justify itself. Describing it makes you emphatize with it, thus descend into it. The real answer to despair is emptiness that lies beneath

@MichaelDamianPHD 8 ай бұрын

Emptiness of what sort

@regimentsystem3306 5 ай бұрын

Lost in translation, lacking context, or meaningless gibberish

@MANFAQYOU 5 ай бұрын

@regimentsystem3306 I interpret this as: If you try to rationalise/make sense of your disorders, you'd trick yourself into normalising it. You then wouldn't try to pull yourself away from it due to "Well, logically, this is what should happen. So I'll let it happen". The only way you could solve the problem is (now this is the part I'm confused about) - recognising that rationalising without improvements is futile (can't just sit there and think) OR - recognise the dire aspect and push into action first and foremost (do now, think later) If this is what he truly meant, I don't particularly agree

@regimentsystem3306 5 ай бұрын

@@MANFAQYOU as someone who has had severe mental problems from childhood trauma and cured all of them over the course if 10 years without the help of spineless professionals, this is all a bunch of rubbish to me. Srep one is knoe thyself, Step two is to know the enemy/issue, understand why it is here and how it is sustained, understand the mechanisms and weak spots. Step three is Cut off its supply lines, strike surgically and put something positive into the hole where the enemy once dwelled. Mental health is war, so nothing can be achieved without good reconnaissance, intelligence, and the intention to win. Displace the enemy, settle his territory, or help allies settle in the enemies territory. Conquest.

@lavbusarac2547 5 ай бұрын

@@MANFAQYOU Excuse me if I confused you all. I generally like to pick up high end statements and questions, because it makes me think. I spent 2 years depressed and constantly ruminating about emptiness, and all the bad gibberish in my life, until I realized that my lifestyle and thoughts justified the depression. I was finally able to see depression being something other than myself, like a tiny layer of ungratefulness resting ontop of my head and colliding my thoughts against each other into a black hole of self loathing. I realized then (few years ago) that depression is not a sickness but a trap

@ggrthemostgodless8713 9 ай бұрын

42:04 ""...You can poke all sorts of logical holes in it, and accuse Jung of STATING things with certainty that are just speculation..."" Damn right I can; THAT is My view of him on all things.... I never liked Jung, his muddled mind and all the rest, passing as depth or underground thinking, his so called profundity is vomit, of all sorts of good nutritious foods that he could not stomach, like Nietzsche's clarity and truths. Jung's archetypes etc which seem to be infinitely divisible is just crank, an almost irresistible drug for the soft sciences and thus "therapists" love it, not so with Nietzsche. For Jung to say Nietzsche was NOT an atheist and thus suffered from it, and somehow led to his mental condition later, that is just pure.... I lack the words for what this is!! So he was an atheists that KNEW his god was dead?? Is a contradiction in terms!! Pure low level therapist, which next always proceed to explain, What I really mean by that is... so why not say THAT to begin with, and not the avalanche of bullsh!t your books are filled with. This is not against YOUUUUU the creator of this video, I know you are commenting and analysing what you got... just in case there is no confusion. This is my view of Jung not you.

@kevinbeck8836 9 ай бұрын

Glad to see I’m not the only one nauseated by Jung

@sunflare8798 9 ай бұрын

"Mystical explanations are considered deep. The truth is that they are not even superficial" - Nietzsche foresaw Jung and those like him by a long shot

@ggrthemostgodless8713 9 ай бұрын

@@kevinbeck8836 Jung is like a scammer of dreams or word salads... I like this video's analysis of it, but to say is fair play with Nietzsche bc N. also made statements of fact is misleading I think, this a different in KIND and also DEGREE of it. But Jung's bs is what allows people like Jordan Peterson to go on for hours on iffy and vague bs that his mostly young audience cannot challenge. Good luck, glad you too can cal him out on it.

@nicolaswhitehouse3894 9 ай бұрын

I agree with what you said. They are several things in Nietzsche philosophy that is a lot more convincing that Jung. Nietzsche isn’t a mystic by any means if we really read and analyze his books and connect them to scientific facts. There is also the fact that : -Nietzsche superior knowledge on history. -Nietzsche superior knowledge of words (philology) -Nietzsche proves with scientifical proof how an evaluation has occurred. -Perfect knowledge of Greek and Latin. Can understand French.

@nicolaswhitehouse3894 9 ай бұрын

@@ggrthemostgodless8713There is also couple of grotesque errors in my opinion from Jung such as : Jesus is the archetype of individuation. How so ? Someone who wants to individuate wants to fight himself, masters his passion. These activities doesn’t exist within Jesus. His bodies already knows that he is in kingdom of heaven. He lives his life just as he will live in paradise. He doesn’t seek redemption nor does he have the goal. He lives in a perpetual bliss. How can one say Jesus is the archetype of individuation or hero buggles me.

@darrellprice7014 8 ай бұрын

You have isolated just the portions of writing I wasn't sure I was looking for. Carl junior especially was so prolific that once you find a particular point of interest it's hard to sort through the whole corpus of work four other mentions related to that same subject. Thanks because my own efforts of study are impaired by disability illness and such I often find myself caught up and study for hours but with work so vast hard to tell if I've gotten anywhere on any particular idea. Then mentally and physically exhausted with what feels like not much to show. Always rather I have been impatient and lacking in concentration so this obviously helps focus

@AIainMConnachie 9 ай бұрын

Bravo. Masterful overview

@Jules-Is-a-Guy 9 ай бұрын

41:55 Your summarized opinions at this timestamp, are spot on imo, well done. Jung was probably in some sense, too much of a speculative mystic, and Nietzsche, probably too much of a disagreeable cynic. Nevertheless, there have hardly been two, more brilliant individuals in the past few centuries, and any thoughtfully derived 'synthesis' of their work is guaranteed to be fruitful.

@egoncorneliscallery9535 9 ай бұрын

No need for synthesis. It is diversity. They dont need to reconsile..

@nebula_Mage 9 ай бұрын

Nietzsche was impressive for the exact reason that he created a work that transcended the limitations of the philosopher, unlike other philosophers who limited themselves to the barriers of their own reason, Nietzsche perceived the void of the "death of god" and really went to the end and transcended himself , his life apparently going on a different path from his philosophy itself shows that even though he suffered from Cadasil due to his father's genetics, with intense intellectual activity he prolonged his life span and managed to overcome his living conditions within the scope of his work, thanks for the Deleuze's quote btw.

@Dunge0n 9 ай бұрын

"Stuck in bed... Deep Crisis.... I despise Life." -Nietzche's diary

@nebula_Mage 9 ай бұрын

@@Dunge0n Yep, This kind of thing his life is full of and he managed to channel the opposite in his philosophical work, different from Schopenhauer, that some would even say had a better life

@Dunge0n 9 ай бұрын

@@nebula_Mage It's really just simple stubbornness, in my opinion. A bit more verbose and erudite than people are used to, but still. I often think Nietzche would have rather simply "lost his mind" through intense exercise than words, if his health wasn't so cursed. Instead he had to 'convince' himself to go on, like so many do, with self-penned gospels of 'hope': denying death.

@Dunge0n 9 ай бұрын

@@nebula_Mage Honestly I don't find much admirable about life or how he, or anyone, decides to 'tame' it. Nobody ever succeeded. I've never liked negotiating with the dragon that's gonna eat me in the end. There really isn't an end to the anti-human horror I'd authorize, if it somehow made me immortal.

@nebula_Mage 8 ай бұрын

@@Dunge0n agree 100%, I'm not really talking about him, about his life, how he lived, I'm not admiring a person but rather how exactly his work ends up being impersonal and much bigger than him, as if he had really surrendered to a random impersonal unconscious aspect, it has elements who are similar to him but there are so many things so far from who he was that it really seems like something of collective unconsciousness, or just some reverberating atavism even

@alohm 9 ай бұрын

And Nietzsche was the cause for Jung's own break with reality, maybe even multiple times. He even feared he may have had schizophrenia(funny how it means a split mind/consciousness/personality) as a result of the deep thinking about meaning and purpose he found within the philosophy of Fred... 5:00 I would push back and point out that the quote about religion was one of a religious view to life, one not unlike Fred - In that gott ist tot because we no longer believe. I will put the Jung quote below. Among all my patients in the second half of life-that is to say, over thirty-five-there has not been one whose problem in the last resort was not that of finding a religious outlook on life. It is safe to say that every one of them fell ill because he had lost what the living religions of every age have given their followers, and none of them has been really healed who did not regain his religious outlook. As Jung and Campbell would point out: Tat Tvam Asi - We are as God - and it is the self and the sacred within that we are missing, or overlooking - A phronesis is required - not a major shift - An awakening to the truth we used to know but forgot - Anumana in Sanskrit... 14:45 _ wonder if Jung saw the resonance of Nietzsche in Zarathustra - when we rebuke a hermit - might as well end him as he may never come down again - the idea that authentic voices in the status quo are denatured and thus rarer than rare? Isn't Synchronicity - seeing the connection, the meaning in unrelated events - schätzen to Nietzsche - perspectival- we divine meaning - we evaluate the value... Not intrinsic meaning outside our perspective? schätzen 1. (= veranschlagen) to estimate, to assess (auf +acc at); Wertgegenstand, Gemälde etc to value, to appraise; (= annehmen) to reckon, to think What is truth? > as William James and a friend agreed - truth is agreement. Pretty obviously influenced by Beyond good and evil? Not that truth does not exist - but to find truth we must be present and educated - be an individual actor - an agent rather than a camel - carrying traditions(peer pressure from dead people) to decide what is a valuable truth or not? As Jung said - "if what I held to be error guides me better than what I knew as truth: I will be guided by the error. "

@christopherhamilton3621 9 ай бұрын

Nietzsche the cause of Jungs break? You wanna explain that? 😂

@alohm 9 ай бұрын

@@christopherhamilton3621 You could read Jung say the same. In much of Jung's work he outlines the insights, and the dark places he was sent. Individuation as example, the Shadow.

@alohm 9 ай бұрын

I did not mean to insinuate it was the sole cause - The horrors of the great war also played a part. As Nietzsche said, and obviously influenced Jung: We are a complex of parts - that make up the whole - us. Gestalten.

@AjNotsri 8 ай бұрын

@alohm 8 ай бұрын

@@AjNotsri I also argue that Nietzsche died for this ideas... Or he had his own hell: that he cared for our lot, and when we ignored the hermit... They gave up the Geist and died...

@Brainteaser5639 8 ай бұрын

I like the way you take me with you to your new found compartments of the boat , where one realises that life is but a drean and all one to do is to keep rowing. These men, you included may be the wood work that makes the strong boat that takes anyone that finds themselves on board.

@RichardBrent90111 9 ай бұрын

Tremendous episode!!! Truly spectacular!!!! Do you do group or private philosophy teachings?

@hakonlhre736 8 ай бұрын

This is so good! This is an example of the information revolution's profound side. Can I ask you to please never start using AI for narration? AI has its place, but please inform us if you do choose to use it. Its getting harder and harder to discern. But it matters. On some level it affects us, even when we cant consciously catch it. We need human voices talking to us now. Thank you and thanks to everyone else that keeps engaging and expanding my mind. In stead of numbing it with bite sized and harmful dopamine hits. Big fan

@joeyrufo 3 ай бұрын

18:05 I do a lot of yelling myself! It's only because I'm still at the early stages of figuring out how to talk about what I've been learning! Because the way I learned it isn't necessarily the way everyone else will/can learn it!

@davidtrindle6473 5 ай бұрын

We rarely know what causes mental illness in people.

@damin1916 9 ай бұрын

Perfect timing, I'm about to take a walk to so I can listen to this at the same time, btw your last Jung video was excellent!

@robnorris8053 5 ай бұрын

Thank you for your work among Jung and Nietzsche..

@JoseBetancourt-xk9rc 9 ай бұрын

Great lecture as always!!! Which ever direction you take the podcast I’m sure it’ll be extremely interesting.

@DreamsEnd8 6 ай бұрын

The thumbnail brings me joy

@auriolhays4287 7 ай бұрын

As a musician...I must confess...your sharp mind is equally matched by the cadence of your voice.

@jillfryer6699 7 ай бұрын

interesting way of putting it.

@harryanderson7282 6 ай бұрын

"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." This is what came to mind listening to this, and I really couldn't help feeling that the Nietzschean abyss Jung stared into stared disturbingly back at him with a mocking refrain of, "Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones." What do I mean by this? Well, I believe Jung's charge of insanity against Nietzsche, his accusation of archetypal inflation this is could just as easily be hurled back in Jung's own face. For didn't Jung himself admit to an act of mediumship when receiving his Seven Sermons To the Dead? Perhaps we can even take this further and make the claim that Jung's Seven Sermons To the Dead was just his attempt to try and reach the same heights/depths of insight that Nietzsche achieved in his Zarathustra? That Jung's sermonizing Basilides was just a copycat Zarathustra, and that his "dead" were just the Last Men that Nietzsche/Zarathustra had prophecized against years earlier? Yes. I really can't escape the feeling that Jung, by hurling accusations of insanity at Nietzsche's literary ghost, wasn't perhaps trying to deflect inquisitive readers from perhaps drawing certain conclusions of their own regarding Jung's influential "proximity" to Zarathustra. Yes. I do believe that Jung doth protest a little too much in this regard.

@dustysoodak 8 ай бұрын

Really nice selection of commentary on Nietzche’s writings.

@DarthBananna 7 ай бұрын

do you have the script you used for this video still? it's very interesting but trying to follow the video is throwing me off for some reason, simply reading it would be easier. however the youtube transcript isn't all that great. auto generated captions get confused.

@chrisparnell2241 4 ай бұрын

After all these listenings, I just realized that Jung only needs the idea of god for his idea to be true. Sometimes we listen so intently for one idea, we miss the obvious.

@LitlEngineMusic 8 ай бұрын

Thank you for the great video! Love this channel!

@gaskoart-tm5bv 9 ай бұрын

Amazing content, thank you

@MsJavaWolf 9 ай бұрын

Do you plan on making a video about Hume or Wittgenstein at some point?

@ganjaericco 8 ай бұрын

7:28 People know Marx said, "Religion is the opiate of the people," but not that he says two paragraphs later, "The criticism of religion disillusions man, so that he will think, act, and fashion his reality like a man who has discarded his illusions and regained his senses, so that he will move around himself as his own true Sun. Religion is only the illusory Sun which revolves around man as long as he does not revolve around himself." - Critique of Hegel's Philosophy of Right Marx wanted man's ego to be 'lord of the universe' as stated here. Marx was also obsessed with Mephistopheles in Faust, who you mentioned was a trickster figure in the archetype video; Marx's favourite quote of Mephistopheles being, "Everything that exists deserves to perish." I'm not religious, but it's just fascinating to see this.

@NoInfoNecessary 5 ай бұрын

Marx, like Nietzsche, was a bitter schizo.

@elsW123 6 ай бұрын

This is the first time I've not been turned off by Nietzsche and Nietzschans, thank you, it's great, I love both this and your podcast on Jungian archetypes. A crucial question though: can I find anywhere in your podcast some much more significant discussion of patriarchy, matriarchy and the feminine? (I was quite alarmed by your dismissal of 'truth is a woman' at the beginning of that episode, but maybe Nietzsche only throws this metaphor out in passing, too?) Currently it seems to me that at least half the picture is missing (for male listeners as much as for female ones, and others). Contemporary figures that could be brought in to your enquiry to start to fill the void might be Linda Kohanov ('Power of the Herd'), Marion Woodman... (just off the top of my head)

@TimeAttack-TV 8 ай бұрын

I take a deep bow. This lecture was true profound youtube gold. Stay away from the trappings, in ALL aspects of life… ☯️😮‍💨

@PhilosophyPlayground91 2 ай бұрын

59:55 Exactly! It's so refreshing to see someone with the same view.

@mountainjay 7 ай бұрын

That thumbnail and title is hilarious 😂😆😂

@netguy73 Ай бұрын

Nietzsche didn't write the book. he "subconciously recalled key points" thinking he's writing it, he was actually recalling the book he read as a kid in 1800s. As mentioned in "Man and his Symbols" book by Jung.

@loonesworld 8 ай бұрын

This thumbnail is pure gold i laughed so hard and had to watch, great video too ofc.❤

@thomasgerber1472 7 ай бұрын

The thing is that psychoanalysts are the most aphysical people around, Nietsche at least was propelled by chronical headaches, which is unlike emotions a highly physical experience.

@IvanBaker3 2 ай бұрын

Great podcast. I would love to hear your take on Daniel Everett's language philosophy with regards to Piraha in the correlation with atheism, language use, epistemology, et cetera. I believe that most of all of philosophers, east or west, were trapped in the 'environmental' structures of society, ancient and modern. But the study of the fringe cultures, such as Piraha, destroys much of what has been tried to assume as universal "facts". Especially in the case with Piraha in contrast with Greenberg's universals.

@isk3755 9 ай бұрын

I believe this is one of your better videos

@christopherthomas5395 8 ай бұрын

Appreciation.

@kevinbeck8836 9 ай бұрын

Turnabout is NOT fair play when Jung is holding himself up as some objective source who is conducting “science” whilst Nietzsche outright says he’s a poet and invites you to disagree with his interpretations

@laurieprice535 8 ай бұрын

One thing overlooked in Neitzsche's writings is his excellent sense of humour.Many times after he rounded off an aphorism with a witty expression I would vurst out laughing.like many men of an intellectual nature I imagine Neitzsche to have been a man of a lusty temperament and a powerful libido and he may well have found a release in brothels .

@rapidopato 7 ай бұрын

I haven't read the seminar about Nietzche but taking into account Jung's diagnosis of Joyce's daughter, Lucia, I wonder if Jung considered something similar thinking about Nietzche: “Doctor Jung, have you noticed that my daughter seems to be submerged in the same waters as me?” to which he answered: “Yes, but where you swim, she drowns.”

@Petros_Michalakopoulos 8 ай бұрын

Thanks for uploading the video. I am heavy into Nietzsche and i am really curious into diving into Jungs critique of him.

@JesseGilley 9 ай бұрын

Really great dialogue on these thoughts. Nietzsche was a key to my juvenile insight, and absolutely influenced my philosophy. As I've aged, though, I've gravitated to Jung's thought. I think Jung's effort is also universally valuable, where Nietzsche's is niche. Both undoubtedly have their place. All that said... I wonder what Nietzsche's output would have been had he married the woman of his fancy.

@levongevorgyan6789 6 ай бұрын

The problem with Jung is that he attributes shared mythologies to inner psychic truths when they are more realistically attributable to shared ancestry or from spread. For example, while it's true that we see dogs associated with death among native American tribes and European peoples, it is also true that both of these groups descended from a common ancestor, the Ancient North Eurasians, which others, like say the Austronesians or Africans did not. So it is likely that this was a mythical invention of the ANE peoples, and it has survived in one form or another among their descendants. Or the Chaoskampf. Whether it started as a Proto Indo European Myth or a proto semitic myth, it spread from these not too distant regions and their descendants, giving rise to Zeus vs Typhon, Marduk vs Tiamat, Thor vs the World Serpent, etc, just as the chariot spread from the Indo Aryans to the rest of the Bronze Age world. People interact, and spread religious ideas. Aphrodite came from the Phoenicians, who in turn got her from Ishtar. Zeus, Tyr, Jove, Tiwaz, and hte other sky fathers of Indo European myth aren't manifestations of some ancient Archetype, but descendants of the same ancient Indo European god. Comparative Mythology has discredited Jung, in my opinion.

@kayakMike1000 8 ай бұрын

Jung said... He doesn't believe in God, He knows... Extremely compelling.

@jahjahjag 4 ай бұрын

Who's to say we as human beings are incapable of glancing, rarely, into the realm of creation? That our consciousness is born with this ability inherent, being created as a fractal part from a bigger, divine consciousness (ie. God). And once you had that rare glance, even being 98-99% sure of something... Wouldn't that qualify, then, as an actual knowing?

@globalamoeba8910 3 ай бұрын

@@jahjahjagI don’t think it has to be rare. It’s inherent within being a product of nature. If you widen the gap of ego consciousness the clarity of inherent nature becomes increasingly vivid and it doesn’t go away with the presence of the ego either. It’s just the “thing that is”

@jahjahjag 3 ай бұрын

@@globalamoeba8910 Rare, depending on what you'd view as such, no, it's just that the majority of people still are prefering to stay down in their egoic self almost as if they are actively avoiding it. When on the death bed, then IF at all, do they start opening up (again talking about the vast majority). "Thing that is" - the problem with "it" is that words cant really inherently give it a clear meaning that is to be understood rationally. Rather it has to be felt, experienced, to know it. Quite a divine conundrum, eh.

@hw-rg7gn 9 ай бұрын

Fascinating episode that addressed some of the concerns I've puzzled over re Nietzsche's philosophy, albeit raising new questions.

@Pugilist379 9 ай бұрын

This is your best video to date. Going to watch this again.

@sterlingkuhlmann6270 9 ай бұрын

A very interesting discussion. Thank you for your videos and content

@kristijohnson1216 6 ай бұрын

Very lovely explaination and tone.

@beam3819 8 ай бұрын

I read that after Freud visited Jung at his home Freud got so scared he never went back. He said the house was demonic.

@untimelyreflections 8 ай бұрын

Wow! Do you know a source for this? Would love to read more

@rb5519 9 ай бұрын

Haven't listened yet, but a "like" just for the thumbnail! 😂

@majmage 6 ай бұрын

Fantastic talk, thanks! (Genuine question as I know very little about Nietzsche:) Near the end you describe him finding an archetype when wanting to make war on that very thing. Was Nietzsche's goal actually an archetype, or religion specifically? Because I know for myself I try to champion truth and so religions (which we don't know are true) are something I'd prefer to see removed, but I'm completely fine with archetypes. In fact arguably I've made my living with them, as a game designer who regularly creates new content using established archetypes. It seems an important distinction, but maybe the description was just a flowery way of trying to portray Nietzsche's goal with irony.