Carl Sagan at MIT - Management in the Year 2000: Sloan School Symposium 1987

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[@simonmeasures7952]

When I see this guy speak I can't help but dream of the kind of world we would all be in with humans like him as world leaders.

[@thulyblu5486]

We'd need to change how we choose our leaders. In a Kingdom we chose like this: the most brutal guy gets the throne and from then on his offspring gets the throne. In our democracy we changed that to the person who is most popular gets to be on top which usually leads to the most skilled liars getting the job. There was a political movement in the 20th century called technocracy who wanted only skilled experts to be deciding things. The best doctor would be in charge of national health, the best economist would become minister of economy, the best diplomat in charge of foreign policy and someone like Carl Sagan would be in charge of Science. The movement died due to lack of support, I'm not sure why. The tribal pleasure of political parties combined with the lies of their leaders was too enticing in comparison I guess.

[@DipayanPyne94]

​@@thulyblu5486 That is not a new idea. It's called Aristocracy. It has existed since Ancient times. Greece had it. India had it. And so on. Today, we have Corporatocracy.

[@1974riceman]

He really couldn't have been more wrong. Basically everything he says in this speech became dead wrong within a few years. Ha.

[@joaosampaio4039]

@@1974riceman yeah, stupidity is off the charts now.

[@sandal_thong8631]

38:00 "The psychological screening for highest officials is not what it should be." Spot on. Prior to that, he mentions evident fact that madmen (e.g. Hitler and Stalin) can achieve the highest office in modern industrial nations. In the remake movie _The Day the Earth Stood Still (2008)_ the scientist, Helen, tells Klaatu that those running the government and military are not the true leaders, and instead takes him to John Cleese(!). He's playing the part of a Nobel Prize winning scientist who makes the argument that mankind must have its chance to solve its problems the way Klaatu's race must have done. Epistocracy: rule by the experts. Sadly, the year the movie came out may have been the tipping point for Earth. If we chose in 1987 to eliminate coal in 20 years and gasoline in 30, we'd could have done the former by 2007, and the latter by 2017. Dr. Sagan mentions if we had fusion technology in the 2000s. But even with existing fission technology, America couldn't build a couple big reactors in GA and SC without delays, cost overruns, and corruption by 2020.

[@vulcancolossus346]

When Dr Carl Sagan starts speaking, his voice gives me goosebumps. He was an extraordinary being on this planet which sadly we lost him so soon :(

[@Sybilalma]

I listen to him to calm down if I have anxiety. His voice is the most soothing voice ever…

[@patkennedy2620]

@@Sybilalma His voice puts me to sleep

[@EddieVBlueIsland]

God took him because of his anti-Christian beliefs - he is now burning in hell according to my religion.

[@SpiderLore]

He sounds a bit like Kermit the frog but at a lower pitch. His speech is not particularly impressive.

[@LordVader1094]

​@@SpiderLoreWrong

[@sandbach7195]

Sagan is one in a billion.

[@zerotoux]

1 in 7.7 billion!!!

[@TX_BoomSlang]

"Widespread critical thinking is an essential precondition for the higher standards of leadership that we desperately need, and for the higher standards of education and awareness of the problems we face, which I think is required of every citizen." -Dr. Carl Edward Sagan

[@knockshinnoch1950]

An exceptional human being. I was enthralled for the entire 58 minutes- not 1 slide or visual aid of any description yet the audience was spellbound throughout. Few people could command an audiences attention in this way. An absolutely fascinating insightful enlightening presentation delivered in a structured practical clear manner.

[@TheVanillatech]

The best teachers have that ability. A teacher I had at school sat on his desk, sleeves rolled up, simply looking at us and talking to us and asking questions to make us think. He so rarely opened a textbook or reference book, even more rare he used the blackboard. Amazing teacher.

[@sandal_thong8631]

I imagined the CO₂ and temperature graphs as he moved his hands, but of course from his perspective he went correctly from his left to his right, while vs time should have been left to right as the audience sees it, so his right to his left.

[@pascalegea9792]

He was truly a brilliant mind and human being.

[@academicsravinder1598]

Always sobering and refreshing to listen to great Carl Sagan .

[@ernietech2256]

There was a man who lived on Earth name Dr. Carl Sagan. He knew things. Big things. Important things. Monumental things. He tried to tell us these things but continued to play with our toys and ourselves. Now that man is gone and because we ignored him, we will never be the same. He tried.

[@nataliepapolis]

He would be aghast by trump

[@debralee1401]

Everything he talked about has escalated 34 years later, including the ignorance and incompetancy of politicians and the general population.

[@sandal_thong8631]

Perhaps not the rise of mysticism and fundamentalist religions, which he mentioned in _The Demon-Haunted World_ and _Contact._ Instead we've had in the last ten years the rise of far-right regimes using fascist-tactics in many countries, which he didn't anticipate, other than talking about madmen.

[@mlbonfox8199]

2021’ everything in this video is 💯 percent still revelant

[@agentviktor3297]

Which shows us how big of an assholes governments an average Joes still are.

[@6thgentexan140]

His presentation has literally given me shivers several times as I listened in 2023! God help us all. I think Carl Sagan would be vastly disappointed but not surprised that "we" did not/could not heed his words...

[@sandal_thong8631]

I wondered what technology we had in those years '80s-'90s would be discovered dangerous in the 2000s? One of them is PFAS chemicals used for some firefighting foams and nonstick cookware, etc. The commonality in that and other hazardous chemicals, like Agent Orange, PCBs, DDT, CFCs, etc. is that (like dangerous food additives of the late nineteenth century) the burden of proof of safety is not on those manufacturing or distributing the product, but on others to prove they are unsafe.

[@Ramesh-mq7uo]

one thing i think he would appreciate is that we are slowly fixing the ozone layer

[@thespy5845]

Such brilliance and foresight.. Absolutely spot on and absolutely relevant today.

[@brendanmilligan7778]

What blows my mind is that the problems with our environment that we were causing were well known and scientifically proven in 1987 and yet it is 2022 and we still find a way to argue it’s validity. Even worse we’ve done very little in the means of slowing these issues. Absolute insanity

[@Smaug84]

I suppose it's the reality of capitalism. People care more about money than long term consequences. You could see that replicated across so many other human caused ills. Such as the utter indifference of trying to stop Covid to mass extinction. Money is all that matters to those greedy for it. Banks never cared that land privatization would lead invariably to homelessness. I guarantee they care when violence breaks out in response though.

[@pepper419]

Industry, fuel companies, Monsanto and Bayer are real villains in all this. Companies that don't care who or what they kill.

[@greatestone4eva]

deadass.

[@brianmilligan1787]

No no no the idea is to make it worse Banks governments bonuses

[@brianmilligan1787]

Are you a relative

[@nisachannel7077]

An incredibly intelligent man!

[@johnmolloy7325]

With an equally intelligent wife. J.

[@arangeofevs973]

What an amazing scientist and speaker. His very last sentence summed it up for me; a higher ability to critically think on what is being discussed. Too few people have the ability to critically think.

[@kasturiswami784]

This man is so relevant today. In india we are harping back to some mythical past and scientific temper is absent from public discourse. Our political leaders are woefully ignorant and want the population to remain ignorant so that they can manipulate them. Orwellian times all the time!

[@twonumber22]

Hang in there, friend.

[@alesscav99]

Same in Brazil

[@mauricioramirez9744]

Same in the US. Like living in an alternate reality

[@twonumber22]

@@mauricioramirez9744 Sure is. I try to lead by example and plant seeds of curiosity instead of lecturing and such. If that doesn't work, then I yell at them. lol

[@WayOfThinkingInMalayalam]

👍

[@CornerStaple]

This is super relevant. In fact it's getting more relevant with age.

[@AndrejicRadomir]

Many thanks to MIT for publishing this!

[@Emma-rw9ro]

Thank you MIT for putting this up. It is distressing that the tone in regards to global warming has changed little over the 30 odd years since this presentation.

[@AD-kv9kj]

The internet has really not helped. The internet, once hoped to be some great platform for global free speech, learning and democratic progress has in fact merely become the world's greatest misinformation and propaganda tool to powerful multinational corporations and the political parties they're in bed with. Endless mindless distractions, opinion echo chambers on social media platforms as everyone's feeds and recommended media are cherry picked to suit their pre-existing opinions and preferences, immense advertising platforms, faked reviews, government and corporate misinformation "bots" and agents working tirelessly to drive and manipulate social media discussion threads to suit their purposes and also platforms which give gross and neurotic human egos a place to be as arrogant and nasty as they like with little to no real consequences as would be often found in real life interactions with other human beings.

[@sandal_thong8631]

One problem is that meteorologists didn't educate themselves about the topic, resulting in the subject not being part of the weather for decades. Another is the sheer corporate power to obfuscate (i.e. lie) and delay; people didn't really pay attention to the Exxon scandal of a few years ago where they had two sets of scientists: one to tell them the effects of global warming on their infrastructure so they could adjust, and another group to lie to the public in the media that it's uncertain at best or a left-wing (or Chinese) hoax at worst.

[@bernaldelcastillo1768]

This lecture is so frightfully real!

[@sepiae]

34 years later... Anyone care to compare? Only started watching to see whether this is a Sagan video I'd watch a little later. Of course I ended up watching the whole right away. Never fails to be as significant this many years later.

[@sandal_thong8631]

The good thing about YT is that you can listen on 1.25 or 1.50 speed if it's a long video, provided you can hear and understand correctly.

[@Patrick-pt2vq]

what a wonderful guy

[@reinlich]

Thanks for uploading this, I love this man :)

[@Morphixx]

30+ years ago Carl was talking about climate change, and we still aren't listening.

[@hippodoesyes6475]

Global Warming?? Every year it gets colder and colder, where's your global warming LIBTARD. That "science", as you sheep call it, is just CNN propaganda!!!! Listen to daddy Trump, he will tell you that it doesn't exist! (He's never wrong)

[@kennyaintdead5488]

@@hippodoesyes6475 lol ok…

[@Mhats]

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[@doctorae724]

@@hippodoesyes6475 WOW!!! Willful ignorance and indifference truly CAN be found in any arena! Just from this speech alone, it is evident that Dr. Sagan was NOT a political puppet. This took place in 1987, long before it was even conceivable that a clown like Bump would be considered a candidate for president, let alone receiving votes. But I'm not surprised. You and your kind are the tangible evidence of the creed: "How the mighty have fallen". Sadly, there is no known cure for it, so we have to strap on our seat belts; To the downward spiral we go with deliberate speed..

[@hippodoesyes6475]

@@doctorae724 It's scary that something so obviously satire can be mistaken for an actual viewpoint. What does that mean for the world we live in?

[@justinlassiter7671]

absolutely stellar human being

[@pepper419]

Carl, you really knew how to predict the future. You were amazing.

[@andycapo13]

We need a column in every newspaper called "Carlstrology"

[@VantaSiyah]

really love him!

[@HughMartell]

GENIUS, PURE GENIUS!

[@JudgeCommitee-ck5wq]

He is a genius he went to MIT like the bank man Fried FTX undercover team that solve the communist issue against the Twitter virus now we’re not exposed to Twitter virus and we’re going to keep $100 trillion NASDAQ thanks to MIT geniuses like bank man at this man

[@Jay-ft3xh]

Republican President Eisenhower "We need an adequate defense, but every arms dollar we spend above adequacy has a long term weakening effect upon the nation and its security"

[@sandal_thong8631]

That mirrors my sentiment that after a certain point additional spending on defense weakens us.

[@tyleroconnellt]

@55:30 "What I think is most urgently needed is a comprehensive baloney detection kit" Still very much needed :P

[@Remnants100]

@ Tyler 0'Connell - 49:16sec. "Criticism is the lifeblood of scientific method" - was another statement made by Dr Sagan which should be both allowed and embraced by society today.

[@sandal_thong8631]

Sounds like a chapter from _The Demon-Haunted World,_ one of three must-reads by Carl Sagan (besides _Contact_ and _Cosmos_ though the latter could be watched instead).

[@jameshanna8762]

​@@Remnants100Indeed. Science has become a religion that tolerates no questions or criticism. Sagan would have been canceled during the past few years, if we were lucky enough to have him with us. He would surely have objected to the absence of a control group as the world insisted that everyone pile into the test group during the global experimental gene therapy crusade.

[@gopalmenon609]

Genius and an eye opener to enrich us with the knowledge of cosmos.That leaves us to appreciate our rare blue planet.Knowledge leads us to wisdom

[@rodneykawecki1770]

I really like your speeches Carl.

[@muhanuzimark3189]

Very intelligent man

[@sirmium12]

Now, that in fact is a teacher!

[@sammythehandyman9305]

I’ll be talking not so much about weather there’s intelligent life elsewhere but weather there’s intelligent life here” 😆😆😆

[@marlenefumagalli7252]

Just Brilliant and so updated👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

[@Bulldogg6404]

I wish I could have met him and shaken his hand in my lifetime.

[@sandal_thong8631]

He said in _Cosmos_ something like we could read 1000 books in our lifetime, but the question is, "Which books?" If you watch _Cosmos_ instead of reading it, that counts as one, _Contact_ a sci-fi book about SETI is two, and _The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle In the Dark_ would be three that he wrote worth reading. Books I think he said, are a one-way communication from the past author to a future reader. I think that's a good legacy. I think highly of _Lies My Teacher Told Me, Everything Your American History Textbook Got Wrong_ by James Loewen, _Guns Germs and Steel_ by Jared Diamond (as well as his _Collapse)_ and _How Fascism Works_ by Jason Stanley.

[@pathtoknowledge6847]

Wonderful

[@margarita8442]

He is ahead of his time !!!

[@jaguarantony]

I miss Carl Sagan . To me he was a genius of Science and Astronomy. He was extremely intelligent and one of the best.

[@mauricioramirez9744]

Sagan had an ability to scientifically deduce the most probable scenario that would result from unbridled pollution of the atmosphere. This was over 30 years ago and we are now just starting to see what he was talking about. The greater catastrophes to come as he mentioned will most likely happen and sooner than expected. Our current state of affairs can only accelerate the inevitable disasters compounded by a willful ignorance that has permeated the general population like a cancer that has metastasized.

[@joernhaese1906]

... well said ... pinpointed!

[@sandal_thong8631]

In 1987 corporate wealth and power and the Republican Party worked together to promote anti-environmentalism. At that time that party was whining about the liberal media that wouldn't give their voice a fair listen. Also, it was said, "You're entitled to your opinion but not your own facts." Ten years later they created Fox News and Rush Limbaugh radio to push lies to the faithful, such that one party rejects legitimate media (ABC, NBC, CBS, Washington Post, New York Times, L.A. Times, AP, PBS, NPR, BBC and DW) telling us the facts that the rest of us can agree upon with standards of integrity.

[@nb8298]

Thank You

[@crumplezone1]

When Carl he describes our ancestors I can see them in my minds eye as if I am there with them and stealthily hunting with my family for our next meal

[@athnealerodney9884]

Prof. Sagan was indeed an intellectual giant among us mortals.... his perspectives echo in today's scientific ethos...

[@pas9ify]

So relevant today. Such a prophet.

[@motivo-academy]

And still, 36 years later, we have not learned any lessons from these great minds.

[@strawberryblur]

To było niesamowite. IT was amazing! Strasznie brakuje teraz takich ludzi. We miss those People now urgently.

[@thomaspowers1369]

This man was uniquely endowed in all ways but l believe missing in some way a large piece of faith. He ranks in my mind like others who missed the enthralling aspect of their own observations, and the comeasurate humility of their accompaniment. Like Marx and Freud.

[@dillpickleboy1128]

He broke it down into layman’s terms and yet here we are. What does it take to convince the world :/

[@sandal_thong8631]

Probably the same thing it took to convince the legislators to support the 19th Amendment: extremists to make the old lady-suffragettes meeting politicians for tea look reasonable. The most active were arrested outside the White House for protesting, (what we'd consider lawful today, though the president didn't like it), then when they went on hunger strikes in detention for their confinement (and rancid food) they were force-fed, which got them even more attention to advance the cause.

[@yutubl]

I always liked his astronomy TV series (seen in 1970s northern german TV NDR). In the 1980s I had astronomy beginner books explaining the reason for the 400°C hot venus atmosphere is its CO2 richness and it green house effect.

[@ivan5844]

I love Carl Sagan's videos.

[@angelizqn]

This is the kind of President we need. Can you imagine?

[@AD-kv9kj]

Absolutely, but anybody like Sagan becoming, or even running to become, a president or prime minister of any nation would quickly find themselves utterly smeared and destroyed by a powerful and vicious barrage of propaganda. He'd have been called a communist sympathiser, a dangerous lefty loon, an enemy of the USA, a heretic and evil immoral anti-Christian and god knows what else. Half of the problem is not only the powerful political parties and businesses which carry out these propaganda attacks and manipulations of voter's views, but the very people themselves who are so so easily duped into buying these kinds of ideas. The UK came a hair's breadth away from voting in a guy who wanted to dismantle our nuclear weapons systems, tax corporations properly, renationalise vital public services, remove the enormous fees on higher education and so on. He was destroyed by opposing businesses and political parties via right wing media platforms, being labelled a terrorist, a dangerous communist etc etc. Even despite the fact he was a pacifist, a democratic socialist and loved his country so much he'd dedicated his entire life to both working for his constituency and on all kinds of national issues, as well as protesting many injustices and wars and so on. Volunteering at homeless shelters, refugee shelters, farms, festivals etc. Meanwhile, the British public then vote in quite blatantly evil, corrupt businessmen looking to pretend they're all patriotic and great while clearly just abusing the nation for their ow profits and selling everything off the the highest bidder. Absolutely bonkers. Nothing can be done it seems. People are absolutely hell-bent on idiocy and forcing themselves to learn the hardest ways imaginable. The entirety of the evolution of human society has been this way. Things are pushed and pushed and pushed until complete disaster...only then have societies finally decided they have to change anything, and even then, it very quickly seems these lessons are forgotten and then argued over by future ignorant generations.

[@andycapo13]

If someone told me that this conference was hold yesterday, I believe it!

[@MisterMitchMM]

Sorely missed.

[@desrobireja]

20 min in.... 30 plus years on... wow

[@darrellee8194]

Actually, one of the things we were apparently very good at was running long distances. 1:44

[@tishahouse846]

Listening from the ukwales❤️

[@KiranRavuri1]

Amazing & enthralling lecture. So relevant for today, scares the hell happening in Ukraine and how close we are for the nuclear winter. Thanks again!

[@sandal_thong8631]

I'm not sure Carl Sagan mentioned Nuclear Winter in this seminar, though he has in many other presentations.

[@lutaayam]

You know this man would never win a presidential election. Not in America at least. This is my concern about democracy

[@sandal_thong8631]

Years ago, I realized Americans would vote for Lex Luthor over Clark Kent every time. Following that, I learned that a way to prevent extremists from getting elected is to get as many people to vote as possible.

[@bruceh92]

He walks slowly and carries a big stick, his brain.

[@lovingmydog6196]

Look at the two men’s sitting between Carl. Look at their facial/body expression!! 😂😂😂

[@jasoncherry5849]

In the context of modern events it’s frightening to think how this one speech mirrors todays events. The tragedy is that we’ve been close to total extinction more than once, if the wrong person makes it into or back into the highest office in land it terrifying to think the damage that administration could cause.

[@BroncoTaylor]

Who can speak from authority like this guy today ? 30 years ago he foresaw and spoke out of these issues. Who would do this today with other potential byproducts of industrialization?

[@jlinnlinn4241]

I am 62. In my short life the world is going so far downhill, i wish i were born 200 years earlier.😢

[@ruycalderon8507]

To the men in this room, 35 years later: what is your fucking excuse? You had all of the information. You had the warning. You had a evidence. What is your fucking excuse for leading us here, to where we are today?

[@infinityeconomicsinfinitye2040]

💐🙏

[@mintusaren895]

School of mining, school of economy school of physics etc are vice chancellor or chancellor

[@theinsanewoodsman]

And he was totally correct about China and coal

[@thorinbane]

While doctor Sagan may not have been Einstein or Newton, but he was the perfect bridge to bring science to the people. Talk in a way that was easy for the layperson to understand. He is sorely missed would rather 1 Sagan over the 1000 billionaires on this planet

[@philhellenes]

37.46. Prophetic. Vote wisely, America. Consider me on my knees, begging you.

[@kennyaintdead5488]

Not Much to argue… men like him are none existence in 2021..

[@captur69]

He said once how stupid us sapiens are...how right he was..we never learn 😒..even when it's too late...

[@fourdotsYT]

It's definitely CFC's .. not FFC's .. right? Like in (Chloro-fluoro-carbons)... ..i'm sure he misspoke, though, he said it twice,,

[@payo4u]

He predicted #45 😬

[@Talkischeap832]

If we can work out how to convert stupidity into a source of energy. We would all live like the aristocracy

[@paulk2257]

One of the smartest, most eloquent and prescient scientists I have ever heard. So greatly missed. I wonder what he might have had to say about Donald Trump?

[@johnmcg6919]

Well at 37:50 he mentions how "madmen" can achieve the highest offices so....

[@amendes6410]

Trump is a reflection of the public. As is Biden, Obama, Bush, etc.. we can only blame ourselves for choosing the lesser of two evils and continuing this circus

[@pepper419]

What would think of the people that voted Trump into office.

[@sandal_thong8631]

"Psychological screening... is not what it should be." Unless I'm mistaken he didn't devote much talk or writing to McCarthyism: the Communist witch-hunts, or the rise of fascism in the 1930s. He was worried about people accepting mysticism and religion, and rejecting science, not a party using fascist tactics as we're seeing in Florida and elsewhere to attack scientists. I remember seeing a TV show following a right-wing Christian radio host who was shocked that his followers could abandon their Christian beliefs to follow a non-believer like Trump. But he didn't see they believed in something else more strongly, like putting Hillary (and women) down and "owning the libs."

[@robertrstevens]

*** We MUST be smart enough to recognize that some people are smarter than we are. "What we MUST do, we CAN do!" - Carl Sagan "What we MUST do, we must never recognize as being sensible or desirable." - Republican Sage

[@pointless4558]

What did Sagan think of AI?

[@tomek5107]

2023 i nadal aktualne

[@josephlammardo]

Such detailed scenarios. Military Intelligence = oxymoron.

[@ThomasHaberkorn]

Hello 2023

[@krall3168]

Agent Smith?

[@janklaas6885]

📍34:45 2📍23:30

[@naufalikhlasksatria9228]

Bass type voice

[@CGMaat]

Very depressing out look we are right in.

[@crisstones72]

A clear example that aliens have visited us and had shape shifting abilities!

[@yangsong8081]

偶像

[@teethompson7756]

I wonder what those MIT grads are doing now.

[@ceomoneymaker3783]

51:00 politics

[@ceomoneymaker3783]

45:00 politics

[@MarkBesaans]

Why is the world like this? Because of Purcell's iron law of bureaucracy.

[@Henkvanpeer]

Very bad audio, the first minutes in, and does get better after few minutes, but still far from great audio quality…. Sagan, about intelligence in modern times, in hunger gathered societies and time spent to make a good living,,.. as always, Carl is great!

[@danielbrigham3233]

Phases patterns. Missed understanding, lost now?

[@NorthernChev]

Enter the movie, "Idiocracy"...

[@fungi42021]

too much static! ... ok it went away

[@allanmckone8853]

Ueah, right..... we chipped and flaked every block in the Pyramids.... then we lifted and aligned them with precision. C'mon, Carl, you should know better than that.

[@CV_CA]

Two years later the Soviet Union collapsed who would guess in 1987.

[@sandal_thong8631]

I think he flubbed the line trying to say there is an incentive by those who've set up the Cold War, to not find a solution to end it.

[@eightyblox6829]

How did this guy die again?

[@nathanlewis42]

cancer

[@sandal_thong8631]

@@nathanlewis42 No, Pneumonia, similar to Jim Henson, but one I think was bacterial and the other viral.

[@nathanlewis42]

@@sandal_thong8631 ok, pneumonia was the official cause of death but he was at the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Institute where he was being treated for bone marrow disease that he had been fighting for 2 years. I'm no doctor but I don't think he would have gotten pneumonia and died of it if he hadn't been badly weakened by all of the chemo. I think it's like AIDS. No one actually died of AIDS they all died of diseases that took advantage of their lack of an immune system and frequently it was pneumonia that killed them.

[@fernandocornejo7371]

Se parece don comedia

[@janklaas6885]

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