Carl Sagan on the Existence of God

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Mr Patrick

9 ай бұрын

Q&A session of Carl Sagan's 1994 "Lost" Lecture: The Age of Exploration

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@ApertureAce 6 ай бұрын

I love how Sagan had just enough sass in his answer to be amusing, but simultaneously offered a counter argument respectful enough to have a meaningful discussion. The world lost a good man.

@wet-read 6 ай бұрын

Yes. I much prefer him to his successor, NDT.

@ApertureAce 6 ай бұрын

@@wet-read NDT has some issues but generally speaking, I think his reboot of Cosmos was really good. His internet persona is kind of insufferable though.

@adventureswithfrodo2721 6 ай бұрын

You said aboutily NOTHING.

@skywalker-12345 6 ай бұрын

He was perhaps charming, but I kept wondering was the little cup already empty and he just pretended to sip?

@ApertureAce 6 ай бұрын

@@adventureswithfrodo2721 sorry I forgot to consult you to make sure you thought my comment had enough meaning to post on KZbin.

@paulh2981 6 ай бұрын

Sagan casually drops some of the most insightful discussion on religion and the idea of God ever, without offending anyone, and then apologizes for taking up a few minutes to answer it. Staggering insight and humility. He was truly one of a kind.

@feedigli 6 ай бұрын

Not to take anything away from Mr Sagan, but if this clip represents "one of a kind, staggering insight and humility" to you, that says more about the intellectual/social circles you find yourself in than about his uniqueness, IMHO. He respectfully asks his questioner to begin in the most obvious place - what does he mean by "God", since that word has a myriad of meanings (even to one person, often). This reveals the unexplored implicit cultural biases and lack of self-examination/exploration in the questioner (which he more or less acknowledged; such a refreshing glimpse of the "innocent past"!). These traits are all-too common, especially nowadays, amongst so many angry and aggressive others who seem to find it personally threatening when they encounter a person who uses the scientific method and critical thinking. It's very unconvincing to profess such a weak, fearful, ego-driven "faith" that they can't even discuss any aspects of it rationally. Says a lot more about the believer than whatever they're saying they "know".

@JohnPaul-ol5zl 5 ай бұрын

He half-dodged the question or at least the answer. Yes, I grant that his point on the term being used "God" can have different definitions is important but stop dodging the overall question. The person who asked the question did define and if Carl wanted preface his actual clear answer with a definition that match as close to what the audience member stated, then that's fine. Just set the basis for your upcoming answer and Give your clear answer, don't be Mayweather and run around from the battle just to say you "won". If you don't know, then say so. Just answer. He was old enough to be able to give a straight answer. He was amongst this echo chamber community, so his answer seemed complete. I know just a few non-religious / agnostic individuals that give straight answer and acknowledge that some of their answers are not complete because they are answering in sincerity and not just throwing out words for entertainment. Those individuals I respect regardless of disagreeing on their views. Ironically they are usually new and upcoming Athiest.

@Spiritdove64 5 ай бұрын

much better than many of the atheist channels do like matt dillahunty who starts cussing and hanging up on callers

@dangerousdays2052 5 ай бұрын

Sagan should have answered by saying "Do you believe in deez nutz on yer chin?"

@aurorarogers4358 2 ай бұрын

@@feedigli you're absolutely right. I'm exploring what some might call 'religion' or 'spirituality' after a life of considering myself a 'rational atheist' (though I confess I never went through any rational or logical process to arrive at such an identity) I have a concept of God which is similar to Spinoza's God or a nondualist Brahman. One thing that struck my very quickly is how faith can change. I found myself becoming concerned about how defensive I became about my beliefs (I use the word belief loosely for the purpose of this). In a matter of days or weeks I reached the point where I was centring my identity on this. It frightened me slightly, and it gave me for the first time a little insight into what you described as ego-driven faith and even how people can become radicalised. If I reached that point in such a short time, somebody exposed to their whole lives could be any easy target for radicalisation. I want to be challenged. Perhaps I won't have an adequate response. I don't know anything for certain. Those who claim to know with absolute certainty the nature of things are indeed driven by ego. Which is why my 'religion' must always be challenged. I'd rather a world without religion if that means there is less harm than in a world with religion. Sadly, humans keep finding other things to justify their violence and create ideology. My beliefs work for me, for now. If they fall apart, then I have to let them go and be at peace with that.

@DisappearingNightly 6 ай бұрын

A beautiful reminder of why Carl Sagan was deeply respected by so many. Eloquence and a high regard for truth. Things sorely missing from the public discourse these days.

@MichaelDeHaven 6 ай бұрын

I wish I was one tenth patient and kind as he was.

@JesseLeeHumphry 5 ай бұрын

To be clear, it was missing even then. That's why Sagan is so highly regarded.

@roqsteady5290 7 ай бұрын

It is essential to our wellbeing that there are and have been people like Carl Sagan, but there aren't nearly enough of them

@dickjohnson7845 7 ай бұрын

Agreed. Sadly, with the advent of the liberal education in our institutions of higher learning we have lost the future of great critical thinkers such as Sagan.

@LJW55 6 ай бұрын

Richard Dawkins & Christopher Hitchens spring to mind. Also the comedian Ricky Gervais gives it a good go.

@x0rn312 6 ай бұрын

@@LJW55no none of those dudes have Sagan's sweetness and Humanity

@x-techgaming 6 ай бұрын

RIP, Hitchens

@garyhink2015 6 ай бұрын

Carl Sagin is one of the stupidest people i know....

@rickozzy6898 6 ай бұрын

"God is the most uninteresting answer to the most interesting questions." -Hernan Diaz

@ftt7429 6 ай бұрын

When I read “Trust” earlier this year, that line stuck out to me and I’ve been thinking about it ever since.

@kevtb874 6 ай бұрын

Love this quote. This was always my thought process. If you can answer the most complex, history spanning mystery of what it is to be human, our purpose, why we are here, how the universe came to be, where we are going, what happens after death etc etc with one word - 'GOD' ....part of me thinks people aren't trying very hard and like to have an easy, vague, ambiguous, undefined answer that can make all those scary, complicated thoughts and doubts go away.

@feedigli 6 ай бұрын

@@kevtb874 Another observation along those lines: "The only thing most people love more than freedom is slavery."

@skywalker-12345 6 ай бұрын

@@feedigli Freedom with boundaries lead to regrets

@thlydd 6 ай бұрын

@@kevtb874 I think this is why Neil Degrassi Tyson and several like him always seem to find a comforting respect with those who believe in God in their level of sciences, because many of them don't think 'this disproves God' they think "I just found out how God created X to work, isn't this amazing?"

@peterlangdon6043 6 ай бұрын

As a teenager, I got to attend a series of lectures by Carl Sagan, Julius Sumner Miller, et al. on astrophysics at Sydney University in 1973. Taught me to think as well as learn.

@paundra666 6 ай бұрын

This is the upbringing every parents should inculcate to understand the basic framework of life with religious point of too❤

@vtbn53 6 ай бұрын

@@paundra666 What's the point of the religious point? (to be somewhat recursive)

@late8641 6 ай бұрын

I'm so jealous right now!

@paundra666 6 ай бұрын

@vtbn53 I am talking about the religion which is understood with a broad perception.considering all the rules applying on this cosmos. It is a continuous seeking toward the truth,With-ought believing on some superficial person sitting up watching you…

@vtbn53 6 ай бұрын

@@paundra666 If you mean something like "I brush my teeth religiously each morning" I agree, if you don't you will have to completely rephrase your comment for me to understand it.

@wp5224 6 ай бұрын

It’s such a terrible loss for humanity when brilliant people of honorable character, like Carl Sagan, die too soon.

@geezz99 6 ай бұрын

IT IS SUCH A GIFT that we had them , AND STILL HEAR them in recorded media , so in some strange way , they are still here . if we think about what they thought about . not sure that made much sense

@b.deville3236 6 ай бұрын

Especially when they wind up going to Hell, Hell, Hell!

@geezz99 6 ай бұрын

@@b.deville3236 Aww yes YOUR PERFECT GOD , Merciful, AND FAIR , AND LOVE OF HIS Creation , WILL SEND THEM TO SUFFER FOR ALL Eternity .. SOUND LIKE HE NOT SO Merciful After all , SOUNDS MORE LIKE MAN .. YOU THE ONE WHO WROTE THE BIBLE ..

@deanronson6331 6 ай бұрын

@@b.deville3236 So, if "god" exists, why do you think he is as small-minded and mean-spirited as you and most of your Christian brothers are? Why would he care about who believes in him instead of making his evaluations based on whether an individual led a good life, harming as few people as possible and helping many? Why would he care whether someone believed in him as a Christian, Jew, Moslem, Bahai, or Zoroastrian? Aren't you demeaning and diminishing your"god" by giving him a petty, Schadenfreude-laden human mentality instead of emphasizing his purported omniscience, omnipotence, supreme mercy, and justice? Shame on you, fuul.

@hailsagan8886 6 ай бұрын

@@b.deville3236there's no hate like Christian love

@rushslowly9450 7 ай бұрын

Could listen to him for hours. Every day.

@clevername4205 6 ай бұрын

@Pardis-og3tb3:11

@Dankpuffin 6 ай бұрын

I do listen to him everyday, I love listening to him as a sleep aid before bed. I recycle his stuff, cosmos, a pale blue dot, random speeches. His voice gives me comfort to fall asleep to.

@jogendron6320 6 ай бұрын

I could workout for hours. Every day.

@Dankpuffin 6 ай бұрын

@@skywalker-12345 soothing, religion is the cult. and stupid people at that.

@skywalker-12345 6 ай бұрын

@@DankpuffinSagan sings you lullabies every night to sooth you😂

@jacksimpson-rogers1069 6 ай бұрын

Sagan is, especially in this video, a most wonderfully cool speaker.

@pcs56 5 ай бұрын

Damn I miss this man and wish he had lived 20 years longer to experience what we have become. We need people like Carl Sagan in the world today.

@currentsitguy 6 ай бұрын

I was very young when Cosmos aired on PBS. My parents and I loved it. After that any time he appeared on Johnny Carson I was allowed to stay up. Our dog is named Sagan after him.

@deanronson6331 6 ай бұрын

Naming your dog after one of the smarter individuals of the century? What an honor!

@jeeves6490 6 ай бұрын

@@deanronson6331 Works for me. Dogs are better than the vast majority of people I've met.

@aarone9000 5 ай бұрын

And he was always the last guest!

@mannymmv 6 ай бұрын

The more and more I learn about Carl Sagan...The more and more I am astounded by his Wisdom.

@WaterspoutsOfTheDeep 5 ай бұрын

Wisdom would have been giving his opinion on where the evidence as he sees it leads. He totally side stepped the question. That was kinda a spineless response. The whole point of these question and answer are to get the persons opinions and worldview if he doesn't want to do it why is he there.

@TechySeven 5 ай бұрын

@@WaterspoutsOfTheDeep *//"Wisdom would have been giving his opinion on where the evidence as he sees it leads."//* One's Opinions aren't wisdom in and of themselves. Nor is one's willingness (or Lack of willingness) to freely offer opinions indicative of wisdom. *//"He totally side stepped the question. That was kinda a spineless response."//* That was barely even sidestep at all. And, for that matter, nor was it spineless by any means. The things he brought up were vital to his point About the topic in-question. And it takes much more courage to specify about the things we don't yet know or understand, and to elucidate upon the problems inherent to a broad-ranging issue like religion, in front of a large audience & public, than it does to simply just state some single-word label that might not even be entirely accurate. *//"The whole point of these question and answer are to get the persons opinions and worldview if he doesn't want to do it why is he there."//* Then maybe you should perhaps go back in time and preemptively tell the Questioner to ask a *Far More Coherent and Precise Question* in the first place; his inability to utilize clear & exacting detail with well-defined concepts to ask a question in the hopes of a simple, single, point & answer... Wasn't Sagan's problem... and yet Sagan still helped him to understand the Need for such clarification on such details. Moreover, the point of a Talk/Discussion with a Q&A isn't just to get a few Single-Word Answers. Besides, his question was basically "Where does [ill-defined Nonbelief] leave us?" (in other words "How do you [or 'How can I/We'] handle Life & Meaning without Belief in the Supernatural or Metaphysical?"), NOT merely some meager "What do you Define Yourself As?". And he answered quite well & thoroughly.

@WaterspoutsOfTheDeep 5 ай бұрын

@@TechySeven You can white knight all you want but my statement stands there is no need to repeat it.

@TechySeven 5 ай бұрын

@@WaterspoutsOfTheDeep You can troll all you want but my rebuttal stands also, there is no need to repeat it either.

@nickelbutt 6 ай бұрын

This is probably the best answer to such a question I have ever seen.

@aliciafraser1835 6 ай бұрын

Is it though? I don't even particularly think the question was made very well, but it seemed like the guy was trying to ask "what's the point of living if there is no God. To which he got no answer.

@nickelbutt 6 ай бұрын

@@aliciafraser1835 First of all, that is not what he asked. He was asking what Carl Sagan believed in. But regardless, I think the question “Whats the point of living if there is no God?” is a fundamentally a bad question. And Carl Sagan did answer this by pointing that out. Why is us enjoying life not a good enough reason to live? It seems you’re implying there is no point in living without God. If that is true, why do you believe that?

@aliciafraser1835 6 ай бұрын

@@nickelbutt Might want to pump the breaks there a bit skippy, I don't even really believe in god. I was just point out what I thought he was asking and how it felt like that particular question wasn't answered. Please go make assumptions elsewhere.

@nickelbutt 6 ай бұрын

@@aliciafraser1835 I didnt assume. I said “It seems you’re implying there is no point in living without God. If that is true, why do you believe that?” I acknowledged I could be wrong. All I’m saying is I disagree with you. If you think the questioner was asking “Why live without God?” then I think you fundamentally misunderstood the question. It also explains why you were not satisfied with the answer. You have yet to prove otherwise. All you’ve done is attack me for disagreeing with you.

@JohnPaul-ol5zl 5 ай бұрын

@nickelbutt the questioner ask either 2 separate questions or 1 Question and 1 sub-question. I heard him ask "What do you believe.....as in a God? I also heard the 2nd question as "What is the purpose of our life?" He half-answered both questions. Not to answer for him on the 2nd question but in my humble opinion I would have him answer as this: "There is no true intrinsic purpose/meaning to life. We just do or should do the best we can to make the best of our lives while we are alive. Help the less fortunate rise up to a better life and improve ourselves simultaneously. Yes, it is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things within the unimaginable vastness of the universe, but it is ignorant to just be selfish and maximize one's lustfull pleasure at the expense and pain/suffering of others that one screws over along the way." Being genuine and true to oneself is a trait that is rare amongst humans, Religious or otherwise. No one group is immune to it.

@monkeeseemonkeedoo3745 6 ай бұрын

Finally, someone who ASKS what do you mean by 'God'? This is crucial and not something most people do

@Boris194786 7 ай бұрын

But "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" Comforting lies are more attractive than unpleasant truths. I miss Dr Sagan. Great man and a brilliant scientist.

@MountainFisher 7 ай бұрын

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" Is that true? Show how it is true logically? Sagan wasn't a philosopher, but he was a good publicist using the pseudoscientific TTAPS formula to prove his claim of Nuclear Winter he propagated by a a well planned publicity campaign. That isn't how Science is done, it's how products are sold. Just like the Drake Equation wasn't scientific, same for Sagan and Paul Ehrlich's TTAPS formula with its mixture of accurate numbers and arbitrary ones. Not a single prediction Sagan made outside of astronomy came true nor did any of Ehrlich's, especially none in his book The Population Bomb.

@eddie30991 7 ай бұрын

What makes a claim extraordinary?

@MountainFisher 7 ай бұрын

@@eddie30991 Rising from the dead? Problem is even Christianity's enemies didn't deny the tomb was empty as most historical scholars will attest. The problem comes in trying to prove why His followers would steal His body and die saying Jesus rose from the dead.

@Tully241 7 ай бұрын

Lies replacing uncomfortable truths led to Trump and here we are!

@petyrkowalski9887 7 ай бұрын

@@eddie30991every supernatural biblical claim is extraordinary and without evidence.

@Awoken_Remmuz 6 ай бұрын

Love that Sagan didn't just go yes or no but instead provoked though on the subject, giving him room to lay out his bigger thoughts on the subject and even made the person giving the question pause for thought. Good scientific, intellectual stimulation.

@lephilistin 5 ай бұрын

So grateful we have so many recordings of this wonderful man.

@leeartlee915 6 ай бұрын

Dude, I’ve never heard someone fumble a question so hard in my life.

@eensio 5 ай бұрын

”We must understand the world as it is, we must not confuse it with how we wish it to be.” This is one of many splendid wisdoms he has said.

@NJcruiser 6 ай бұрын

i lived for a long time in Rahway NJ very close to the house that he and his family moved into when he was young. He went to and graduated from Rahway High School. I always thought that was pretty neat since I had been reading and listening to Carl Sagan since i was a little kid. One of the true heroes of my life.

@hdub8093 6 ай бұрын

The world needs more Carl Sagans

@lyn1337 5 ай бұрын

great man, he seems to have invented the bottomless cup as well

@kittyhawk-pi8yk 5 ай бұрын

It was more like an inhaler of some gas that inhabited him from concisely answering the question.

@jh_1957 5 ай бұрын

@@kittyhawk-pi8yk 😂😂😂

@david-zk6ix 5 ай бұрын

The ever flowing coffee cup that Sagan was drinking from is indeed the Holy Grail. All the while he tried to tell other people that God didn't exist???

@jh_1957 5 ай бұрын

😂

@kittyhawk-pi8yk 5 ай бұрын

LOL😂

@FrankyHowie7657 5 ай бұрын

Lol

@glakhmed 5 ай бұрын

Carl Sagan and the Never-Ending Water Cup, in theaters this fall

@billyhopkinson5774 6 ай бұрын

He was such an excellent and effective communicator.

@WaterspoutsOfTheDeep 5 ай бұрын

True but he still sidestepped the whole question.

@qscott777 6 ай бұрын

I used to work under the son of the author who inspired Sagan to write Contact. He seemed to think it was trivial that he'd met Carl several times. I was dumbfounded to hear him talk of one the greatest minds of our time in such a cavalier way.

@feyzacelik723 5 ай бұрын

I’m intrigued. Did you ask why?

@MarcoLandin 5 ай бұрын

As a child I discovered COSMOS on PBS. Dr. Sagan taught me to think deeply about things. Since then I've been hooked on science, science communication, and actually Carl Sagan. His entire life is an example of living for truth, from his cannabis legalization advocacy before anyone else dared to speak out, his involvement in solar system exploration and climate change science, to yes, even his sometimes tumultuous (for an academic) love life. I wish he was still among us, helping humanity move forward to greater intellect.

@viktorrietveld 6 ай бұрын

Such a brilliant mind, so sorely missed

@russianBotKiller 6 ай бұрын

3:51 Un 'roi fainéant', which can be translated from modern French as 'lazy king,' was an expression used to stigmatize the last kings of the Merovingian dynasty who ruled the Frankish kingdom around the 8th century before being deposed and overthrown by the Carolingian dynasty, among whom Charlemagne is the most well-known of all. The Carolingians used chroniclers of the time to portray them negatively; the new dynasty needed to present itself as credible to maintain its power. You are welcome.

@davidevans3227 6 ай бұрын

hello thankyou 🙂 jus had a little look at Google for the word Merovingian.. i find that interesting.. here in the uk, would our king Charles lll be like that? (and some of his predecessors)

@Madfattdeeb 6 ай бұрын

I wish I could have heard one of his lectures live. He had such an amazing mind and way about him.

@cheesecrackers3928 6 ай бұрын

Great teacher. Makes you think what you are asking before making you think about the answer.

@WaterspoutsOfTheDeep 5 ай бұрын

lmao he side stepped the whole question... that is not praise worthy. That is called being spineless.

@sarapeach2912 6 ай бұрын

Omg… truly would have enjoyed the lectures of this man.

@murtaza1972 7 ай бұрын

Simply brilliant Dr. Sagan

@normanthrelfall2646 6 ай бұрын

I hope this information helps you! There is nothing Rock Solid about Evolution It is a theory in crisis. There are three stumbling blocks or limitations that bring Darwinian Evolutionary Religion into disrepute and they are: 1. No evidence that living matter came from non-living matter [They have been trying to produce life in the laboratory, in a controlled environment for decades but to no avail]. 2. Irreducible complexity within the single cell: all the parts have to be present for it to function. Organisms are made up of trillions of cells and every organism has several systems within it, that synchronize together in order to maintain life. There is indeed complexity that allows life to exist. Irreducible complexity dispenses with the idea of mutations and natural selection in relation to new species. What we see is complex information in the genome that has existed since creation, but it is degrading: See Dr John Stanford’s book on Genetic Entropy. The evidence is shouting at us, for those who have eyes and ears to hear! 3. There are no transitional fossils. Darwin said if my theory be true, there should be innumerable intermediates forms, embedded in the earth’s crust! There are none, even Dr Colin Patterson British Paleontologist in the 1980’s admitted in a reply to Luther Sunderland in America, regarding his book on evolution. When Luther asked him about the absence of transitional fossils in his book, he replied: We do not have any transitional fossils if we had any I would have included them in my book. There are no branches in Darwin’s imaginary tree of life, no branching from an imaginary “common- ancestor” and the term for this branching is “macro-evolution”. We only have evidence at the nodes, which agrees with kinds within species as mentioned in the book of Genesis at Creation, being the biblical account. Evolutionists hate Genesis or should I say humanists, who want to play god with a small g. All we have is micro-evolution kinds within species, this is all we observe living and in the fossil record of events. For example: Dogs produce dogs, cats produce cats, birds produce birds, pigs produce pigs, and man produces man, should I go on? This is all we observe. Remember science is about things we can observe, test and study. This anti-God spirit is prevalent today and is responsible for the state of the nation’s leading up to the end of this present age of sin and sadness, just as Jesus predicted, a time of lawlessness and violence filling the earth as in the days of Noah and the Days of Sodom and Gomorrah, leading to the rise of the Anti-Christ who will deceive Israel and the nations of this world by bringing in a time of false peace ending in the battle of Armageddon. This will prompt the descend of the Lord from heaven and his feet will touch the Mount of Olives outside Jerusalem and then he will go against those nations and judge them. Jesus said during his ministry, except those days be shortened there should no flesh be saved. The days are shortened by the Lord’s return to stop man destroying himself through selfishness and greed. There will only be peace when the Prince of Peace returns to set up his kingdom on the earth. Read [Matthew’s] Gospel Chapter 24. This will give you some insight. I am here ministering to the sheep, the goats will always headbutt

@Holilo7 6 ай бұрын

@@normanthrelfall2646 Simply put: Of everything you described, exactly the opposite is true.

@normanthrelfall2646 6 ай бұрын

@@Holilo7 Remember what Jesus said, of course you don't because you have never read the loving words of Jesus in the gospel accounts. He said, every plant which my Heavenly Father has not planted shall be up rooted.

@Holilo7 6 ай бұрын

@@normanthrelfall2646 Firstly, I was in this lying club long enough. Even served in church. I know the ridiculous writings very well. Secondly, what should be ripped out and what does that have to do with your unscientific statements before?

@WildlifeWarrior-yd1fq 5 ай бұрын

@@normanthrelfall2646One day you'll wake up

@tompfeiffer2755 6 ай бұрын

WOW! Brilliant explanation of the process!

@mobiustrip1400 7 ай бұрын

Such an enlightened man! ❤

@pauljack7170 7 ай бұрын

i think he is stupid .. why does he intrude in others view of life ?

@normanthrelfall2646 6 ай бұрын

Scientific investigation of the Turin Shroud In 1978 a group of scientists became involved in the project STURP from a number of prestigious institutions from around the world. They were given unprecedented access to this burial cloth for 120 hours at the end of a rare public exhibition. Scientific and medical research was conducted on the shroud with remarkable results indicating the authenticity of the Shroud of Turin, unfakable evidence that could not be forged by an artist or any other natural means known to mankind. A negative image had been encoded on the inside of the linen cloth which could only have been caused by “particle radiation” emanating from the body within the Shroud. Linen naturally consists of cellulose and has nitrogen atoms which are an indigenous element of it. Many scientists who were involved in this project in 1978 have come to the same conclusion, that “particle radiation” in terms of neutrons from the inside of the body had defused and attached themselves to the nitrogen component, by means of neutron capture which then converted it to C 14. If this occurred at the resurrection of Jesus Christ it would invalid all C 14 dating done on the Shroud in the 1980’s. A small group of scientists in the 1980’s excluded the original scientists from further involvement who knew more about the findings than them. They excluded the world wide public also from the information that would have been acquired from 25 other areas of testing. When it came to the C 14 dating the underlying differences were not shared with other scientific institutions, as had been agreed. They ignored; suppressed and disregarded samples that noticeably had different amounts of C 14 content, which correlated with their distances from the cloth. They selected their own C 14 date that suited their purposes. [Does this sound familiar when it comes to evolutionists? They also ignore, disregard and suppress the insurmountable evidence against evolution]. To explain, the nearer the body parts were to the cloth the more C 14 was detected, so different parts of the Turin Shroud give different C 14 data. Not reliable at all! Investigation at the atomic and molecular levels will further prove the authenticity of the Shroud and completely invalid the erroneous C 14 dating presented, that indicated the Shroud dated to the Middle Ages. This was a total stitch-up by this small group of scientists who wanted to hide evidence that goes against their agenda that points to the authenticity of the shroud. These people are probably dedicated Darwinian Evolutionists themselves. Today certain scientists are trying to suppress the undeniable evidence that a supernatural event occurred beyond our complete understanding that encoded an image of a man, corresponding to Jesus Christ and his sufferings on a linen cloth known as the shroud. Humanists like to play the role of God, but the job is already taken. The religious hierarchy namely the Pharisees and Sadducees at the time of Jesus sought to suppress, ignore and disregard the evidence in terms of the testimony of the Roman soldiers, relating to the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead. The climax of their rejection of Jesus as Messiah came after part of a terrified watch of soldiers witnessed an angel of the Lord descend from heaven and then roll the stone away , sitting upon it. His countenance was like lightning and his raiment as white as snow and for fear of him they did shake and become as dead men. Part of the watch went back into the city and told the religious hierarchy what had happened, but they did not repent of their sins, but hardened their hearts giving large sums of money to the soldiers in order for them to tell a lie saying: Tell Pilate that his disciples came by night and stole his body away while we slept and if what really happened comes to Pilate’s ears we will persuade him and secure you. [Matt 28:1-15] This is in essence what they said. This Anti-Christ spirit manifests itself in all walks of life wanting to suppress, ignore and disregard anything that is supernatural in orientation. God has not left himself without witness and the Turin Shroud is evidence of a supernatural event beyond the realms of science. Other scientific and medical evidence on the shroud can be trusted as far as authenticating this cloth is concerned. Science is about things we can observe, test and study, you would agree and thereby the truth is manifested for the benefit of all mankind

@WaterspoutsOfTheDeep 5 ай бұрын

How would we know he sidestepped the whole question we don't even know his position either way.

@57Strudel 6 ай бұрын

Oh I had forgotten how marvelous this was.

@Atheist-007 5 ай бұрын

He was very thirsty for God, but kept drinking from the empty coffee cup.😢

@skywalker-12345 5 ай бұрын

😂

@david-zk6ix 5 ай бұрын

That's so true!

@alexy_1369 5 ай бұрын

😆

@WaterspoutsOfTheDeep 5 ай бұрын

That is the problem with echo chambers where a person isn't exposed to freedom of thought. Carl Sagan very may have well had a huge change of opinion if he lived long enough to be alive today as the progression of science has just opened up countless new discoveries of extreme fine tuning and evidences of mind than he had access to just those few decades ago. He never had the finite start to the universe, nor epigenetics, or all the vast amounts of cosmic fine tuning evidences I mean dark energy alone that Lawrence Krauss went over is mind boggling, or mitochondrial eve or y chromosome adam data, all the many flaws of evolutionary theory weren't as exposed, nor the issues with naturalistic origin of life chemistry and so on and so on just a few decades ago... Would have been interesting to see him flip like other famous Atheist scientists.

@GJMX36 5 ай бұрын

@@WaterspoutsOfTheDeep what are you smoking

@JoeWolsing 6 ай бұрын

Imagine rhe guy when he heard he can publicly talk with Carl Sagan, thinking this would be a cool question and find himself gliding down the slope he has created himself by asking it - publicly 😂

@ksmyth999 6 ай бұрын

The first sensible comment I have come across on the existence of god. This mirrors exactly my own view. I was never sure exactly what Carl Sagan believed and this has completely clarified that. Thanks for posting it.

@terminat1 6 ай бұрын

God.

@TEScharf 6 ай бұрын

@@terminat1 dog

@cecilkeith1951 6 ай бұрын

@@terminat1 You missed the entire point, friend.

@terminat1 6 ай бұрын

@@cecilkeith1951God is a proper noun as used by the OP.

@Hexon66 5 ай бұрын

@@terminat1 It would only be a proper noun by subjective selection as a personal deity. But it is not, as in the video, as a wide-ranging concept regarding universal creation or governance. Very much to the point of Sagan's response.

@lancep4164 6 ай бұрын

A very intelligent man making sense. These days that is not popular in this country

@normanthrelfall2646 6 ай бұрын

@buddyboy4x44 5 ай бұрын

There has to be a God to create a small cup that has limitless sips, all at the same angle of flow.

@david-zk6ix 5 ай бұрын

That cup of coffee can quench thirst for at least 5 thousand people, while they eat the five loaves of bread and two fish from Jesus.

@philthrelfall5294 5 ай бұрын

Brilliant. Answer the simple question with a wider question, but one which then opens minds.

@david-zk6ix 5 ай бұрын

Should keep asking more and more open questions since we have all the time in the world, and his coffee cup never runs dry.

@kennybraverman9719 5 ай бұрын

Great explanation. I didn't realize that my strategy for dealing with religious arguers was so similar. You start by using sharper language. Brilliant. As always.

@Whippets 6 ай бұрын

Many do it, but not many do it with the class of Carl Sagan.

@Jon651 6 ай бұрын

What can be proclaimed without proof can be dismissed without proof. Dr. Sagan turning the question around and asking "What do you mean when you use the word 'God'?" is masterful.

@monkeeseemonkeedoo3745 6 ай бұрын

It's a honest attempt at discussion, not some atheist circlejerk 'gotcha' like so many in these comments fancy

@WaterspoutsOfTheDeep 5 ай бұрын

No it's flat out spineless to sidestep the whole question when that is the very purpose of the q and a to know his opinions and worldview. It shows the man is too scared to answer the question essentially.

@monkeeseemonkeedoo3745 5 ай бұрын

@@WaterspoutsOfTheDeep Yeap, essentially he argued for a better question, which is great, but at least the video doesn't have his answer to that better question. I dunno if he was cowardly though

@WaterspoutsOfTheDeep 5 ай бұрын

@@monkeeseemonkeedoo3745 Maybe he was leaning to some type of "God" in quotes and not sure the extent or how to articulate exactly his thoughts and given he is known as the answer man and didn't have an answer he didn't want to just say I've been thinking about it and have come this far but just don't know. Perhaps that's what was behind it.

@HORSE-E 5 ай бұрын

I’m most surprised that he had any drink left by the end

@jamestiburon443 6 ай бұрын

Takes a good childhood to answer such a way

@RohitKumar-rr4nz 6 ай бұрын

What a gem of human he was!

@tastella 5 ай бұрын

A very wise and thirsty man.

@skywalker-12345 5 ай бұрын

Nay, he was just very thirsty for God but was drinking the wrong cup.

@gillessteffen5419 5 ай бұрын

Just brilliant, wonderful answer that leads to think further

@ThePlim62 5 ай бұрын

I could listen to him all day.........

@Serai3 6 ай бұрын

I'd give anything to have had five minutes conversation with this man.

@bradnailer2440 6 ай бұрын

No, you wouldn't.

@Serai3 6 ай бұрын

@@bradnailer2440 Yes, I would. Pretty sad that you wouldn't. Says a lot about you.

@bradnailer2440 6 ай бұрын

You would give anything? You absolutely would not.@@Serai3

@Serai3 6 ай бұрын

@@bradnailer2440 Yes, I would. And I would also appreciate it if you'd keep your superiority complex to yourself, little boy.

@robologo 6 ай бұрын

@@Serai3 Is that sarcasm? It's not clear to me.

@3101home 6 ай бұрын

I consider myself a duller than average adult……yet I never accepted religions stories, books, beliefs. Find it fascinating that many super smart people do, in this enlightened day & age of science,computers & scholars.

@skywalker-12345 6 ай бұрын

"Find it fascinating that many super smart people ..." Perhaps God does exist?

@3101home 6 ай бұрын

@@skywalker-12345 me thinks you’re putting too much into my ‘super smart people’ believers……and forgetting super smart ain’t that smart when comparing their intelligence to mine…..just a tad above Abby Normal

@jdotoz 6 ай бұрын

It's interesting that you think "duller than average" (your words) somehow conflicts with not being religious.

@skywalker-12345 6 ай бұрын

@3101home I was first amazed by your humility "duller than average", and then shocked by your intelligence "super smart people are dumber than you". Who are you? A drug addict.

@Dawkinsbulldog 5 ай бұрын

But being "super smart" doesn't necessarily equate with being sensible! There are no doubt plenty of "super smart" high salary earners like company directors for instance who will risk their health or life, say, by consorting with potentially diseased prostitutes - male or female - down and around Skid Row, who should have better sense than playing Russian roulet with a full chamber of bullets in coming down with a dose of the pox or even AIDS, goddammit!

@NomadUrpagi 5 ай бұрын

People who can't live without a god don't realize how liberating it is to take accountability for everything we humans do: facing our crimes and praising our best deeds.

@yunesbb 6 ай бұрын

4:53 I'm gonna start using that whenever i wanna wrap up a conversation. genius!

@lotsofstuff9645 6 ай бұрын

Why on earth do people think no gods means no purpose, or no morals. The idea of a god has nothing to do with either purpose or morals. You can easily have purpose and morals regardless of a god existing. You could equally come across someone who believes that their mother provides their moral framework and purpose. As soon as their mother dies then so does their moral framework and meaning. It simply doesn’t follow. You can invent both of those things for yourself.

@feedigli 6 ай бұрын

Thing is, while a lot of people can and do create purpose and morals/ethics for themselves, many more accept what's been given them from outside sources, ie, culture and family. And religion. As I've said elsewhere, "the only thing most people love more than freedom is slavery." Also, those who say that without religion people are awful, are people who I regard as telling me straight out that they're very dangerous and not to be trusted, since they don't even "believe" in their own responsibility and power to choose to act ethically and humanely. If they need a "god" to keep 'em in line....

@Dawkinsbulldog 5 ай бұрын

And anyway, what's so ethical or moral about a god (he of the Abrahamic Old Testament) who created a world where creatures have to slaughter other creatures in order to survive? Ok, so that bitch Eve seduced poor old Adam into biting into that goddamn apple, but why should poor baby gazelle have to suffer for it by being eaten alive by a pack of crafty hyaenas, huh!

@tigertiger1699 6 ай бұрын

I find his reasoning/ thoughts so grounding… calming… source full

@mrayan99 5 ай бұрын

A simple "No", I don't believe would have been sufficient but in turn, he decided to give a run around rant for a 50/50 question.

@trefod 6 ай бұрын

In all it's mildness this was a most savage reply.

@Yich11 6 ай бұрын

when people ask the question: if you could meet 1 famous person dead or alive who would you pick? my answer is always carl sagan. it would be so fun to meet him, and talk with him just for an hour

@seanwebb605 6 ай бұрын

Rick Moranis. And he is alive. I don't know why I would want to meet anyone who isn't alive. I can talk to an urn, but I suspect that it won't provide good answers.

@oo0Spyder0oo 6 ай бұрын

Seriously , I don’t think he meant the option of bringing back a dead body. @@seanwebb605

@ilqrd.6608 6 ай бұрын

Why would he want to talk to you

@wayno5655 6 ай бұрын

A magnificent sage - sorely missed.

@brainstem2023 5 ай бұрын

The flaw in what Carl Sagan said is that religious people who respect God expect to be saved without having to better themselves. True, there are plenty of people that mistakenly think that all they have to do is believe and they'll be saved regardless of their actions in mortality. Any religious person who is being honest with themselves knows that God will only save them AFTER they do all they can do themselves. They will be judged according to their works. Nobody gets a free pass into heaven.

@david-zk6ix 5 ай бұрын

Purgatory will wrap up things for most of us.

@Dawkinsbulldog 5 ай бұрын

@brainstorm2023: And does that severe restriction apply to all those of us who DIDN'T even ask to be brought into this world?

@brainstem2023 5 ай бұрын

@@Dawkinsbulldog If you're here, in a mortal body, you did ask to be brought into this world.

@Dawkinsbulldog 5 ай бұрын

@@brainstem2023 How do you figure? Please explain your "reasoning".

@brainstem2023 5 ай бұрын

@@Dawkinsbulldog Read the Bible.

@sputmayer 6 ай бұрын

What Amazing one line response

@rudysimoens570 7 ай бұрын

Brilliant!

@jamesbarr5170 6 ай бұрын

What a man.

@dd0ck 7 ай бұрын

What a thoughtful avenue of discussion without any condescension. The ambiguity of the term renders it meaningless in practical use, and only serves to provide us with social comfort through a manufactured sense of purpose, and assurances (by committee) that our cognitive dissonance is *normal.*

@topologyrob 6 ай бұрын

Garbage / you should read more scholarly writing on the topic rather than embarrassingly shallow commentary by scientists with no knowledge on the topic

@dd0ck 6 ай бұрын

@@topologyrobnot entirely sure what your point is, he was asked a question and answered. This is KZbin and not a novel. What gaps are there in his logic? What specific ‘scholarly writing’ are you referring to? That’s a little vague.

@topologyrob 6 ай бұрын

@@dd0ck The whole idea that God is a question that can be decided with evidence, as if it were an objective scientific question. The first scholarly book I would direct you to is Shortt's "God is no thing". As for scholarly writing in general, the whole huge field of scholarly writing on religion, in anthropology, philosophy, history, sociology and many other approaches. He is naive in in the extreme in this literature. He should just admit this, and confess he is just spouting ill-formed opinions with no basis in rigorous thinking.

@dd0ck 6 ай бұрын

@@topologyrob so the argument is that no good reason to believe can be demonstrated, so bad reasons should be used to believe? Also, seems counterproductive to focus on the god of Abraham, as the entire part of this point that I commented on is the lack of congruity between the different god myths. And people making the blanket statement of “believing in god,” can mean wildly contradictory things.

@topologyrob 6 ай бұрын

@@dd0ck No, the argument is that Sagan is talking out of his arse because he couldn't be bothered to read scholarly writing on the topic of religion, preferring to make up whatever concept he liked. The whole idea of "believing" in a god is wrong-headed to begin with, as anyone with the slightest knowledge of scholarly writing on the topic would know. He didn't. He should have admitted that.

@fodderr6561 6 ай бұрын

Hey, he spoke about Deists! Nice to hear us mentioned somewhere.

@Dawkinsbulldog 5 ай бұрын

Then obviously you realise it'll be a total waste of time to pray to God to hear others mention the word, don't you! 😂

@dude6801 6 ай бұрын

Brilliant man

@curbozerboomer1773 7 ай бұрын

The more we discover, the less we actually know, concerning a "God" concept. It is best to simply not worry about that, and concentrate on being kind to each other--knowing that we are fated to die, just like this amazing scientist did. Science can answer the "What" questions--but it cannot answer the "Why" questions, regarding our existence.

@petyrkowalski9887 7 ай бұрын

I would say the more we know, the less spaçe there is for « god » as the answer to the hitherto unknown.

@TJ-kk5zf 6 ай бұрын

right

@jackflash6377 6 ай бұрын

Why is simple. We evolved just like any other living thing on this planet. We are born, we grow up, we have a family and this continues the human species. Our job is to teach our kids to be good, honest, hard working so they will teach their kids the same. Just like all other creatures on this planet. Once you realize that your job is to have kids, raise them to be the best they can be, it all comes together and you know without being told what the meaning of life is.

@TJ-kk5zf 6 ай бұрын

@@jackflash6377 poor boy. Science cannot explain why that is Meaningful. Why does it go beyond biological function to satisfy us mentally, emotionally, and even spiritually? Why do we feel awe at a sunset ?

@CatGadget 6 ай бұрын

You (hopefully) listened to the videoclip on which you are commenting, in which the functional uselessness of a word like ‘god’ was concisely explained and then proceed to employ the term ‘spirituality’, it beggars belief.

@Luna_and_Oshi 5 ай бұрын

Carl Sagan should be taught in every single school in the world ❤ 🌎

@Epiphone1964 6 ай бұрын

I miss Carl. We'll never see his like again.

@TheTruthKiwi 6 ай бұрын

Brilliant brilliant man.

@kennyalbano1922 6 ай бұрын

One question I would like to have asked Carl Sagan myself would be, what beliefs if any do you hold that you lack evidence for your conviction yet believe anyways and why? I think that would open the floor for Sagan to talk openly about both religion but also any personal matters he feels very strongly about that he is motivated for reasons other than evidence. I would wonder if he would say something about freedom or equality being a good idea or something else about morals. Or he might say the idea that mathematical theorems and axioms have a truth and existence beyond humans and outside of their application to physical reality and models applied to such a reality. I personally often think of myself as only believing in that which has evidence but in truth that has evidence. But I do tend to have emotional feelings one way on such matters even if at the end of the day I feel uncertain of what is true. Sometimes it is hard not to be persuaded by such emotions.

@user-mh7ng4vn9l 5 ай бұрын

I guess Carl Sagan now does know for sure! And if God is there, I’d like to see of which use his irony is

@MartyWoodcock 5 ай бұрын

I would like to see the entire thing. Does KZbin have it? If so, can someone share the link?

@cakedo9810 6 ай бұрын

like most words built to define or describe ethereal or ephemeral phenomena, there are no defining characteristics which are the hallmark of a “god”

@amaros2118 6 ай бұрын

Based on his way of answering.. he was neutral , it seems there's a religious close friend of him he didn't want to argue with after the show..😂

@geraldgreenman4715 6 ай бұрын

WORSHIP THE SUN ,if it switched off ,we would be dead in 2 hours ,,,wheras Jesus has been gone for 2 thousand years and we havnt missed him

@skywalker-12345 6 ай бұрын

You never heard of the third person of Trinity?

@1176hambone 5 ай бұрын

Thank Carl Sagan!

@heinzk023 6 ай бұрын

My belief: "God exists, but is hopelessly overwhelmed"

@franzschubertv2874 6 ай бұрын

Why do you need god to have a purpose?

@markjackson3459 6 ай бұрын

Why do we even need to have a purpose?

@skywalker-12345 6 ай бұрын

@markjackson3459 we are just like grasshoppers hopping for nothing😂

@alwaysgreatusa223 5 ай бұрын

Extremist thinking:. If there is no God, we have no reason not to blow ourselves up.

@mylerwilson4879 5 ай бұрын

People who say this are the exact type of people who have no morals. They need the fear of consequences to have morals, not out of any genuine thought

@alwaysgreatusa223 5 ай бұрын

@@mylerwilson4879 The person who said this is engaging in extremist thinking. It is not necessarily a case of a lack of morals. It is impossible to know for sure why he said it in the first place. However, we can conjecture that this person believed that without the existence of God, life has no value. I believe in God, however, I do not share this person's view. If anyone actually thinks about what it means for anything to be truly valuable, they will find that anything that has value only does so in relation to life. So, whether or not God exists, life itself is inherently valuable.

@barryolaith 6 ай бұрын

You get one opportunity to ask Carl Sagan a question, and you blow it.

@jaymusic9039 6 ай бұрын

How are you measuring that? And by the way use proper grammar.

@skywalker-12345 6 ай бұрын

Sagan was some scientist whose main ability was his charming way of presenting science to the public. Not much useful in terms of philosophy or issue about the existence of God

@charcolew 5 ай бұрын

And that was without getting into what you mean by the word "believe"... Thank you, Carl, for logic, wisdom and science.

@Atheist-007 5 ай бұрын

Logic and science, but not much wisdom...

@captaindoeverything 6 ай бұрын

when my boys were young I told them I was GOD, G.O. D. Good Old Dad!

@Dawkinsbulldog 5 ай бұрын

And they held you, no doubt, in reverence ever more! 😂👍

@stusmith1389 6 ай бұрын

Sagan said he wasn't going to dodge, but he totally did. Then, he apologized for taking so long to answer, which he didn't. It was clear what the guy was asking, but Sagan just played word games with him.

@skywalker-12345 6 ай бұрын

That's so typical of what a crowd pleaser would do.

@pricklypear7516 6 ай бұрын

So what, according to you, WAS the guy asking? For some vague assurance that some undefined entity was having some questionable effect on Sagan's life? The "word games" were ENTIRELY on the part of the questioner, who was too indoctrinated to even know he was playing them. Sagan just called him on his imprecision.

@johanvanderlinden4331 5 ай бұрын

My understanding is that Sagan approved of, if not believed in, the God of Spinoza and Einstein that he mentions at 3:16, and his answer would have been more impactful if he had said that, rather than making the psychosemantic point that the word "God" is too ambiguous to be a useful subject of discourse. However, as a pantheist myself, I do recognize the reluctance to use the word "God" for fear of giving aid and comfort to those who believe in Yahweh, Jehovah, or Allah.

@connorgrynol9021 5 ай бұрын

What would be the difference between a believer in the Spinoza God and a methodological naturalist?

@johanvanderlinden4331 5 ай бұрын

@@connorgrynol9021 The essential difference comes down to how one approaches the hard problem of consciousness. In general, the methodological naturalist will take an emergent approach to consciousness, while the pantheist is more likely to embrace some version of panpsychism. In effect, the difference is that the pantheist sees the Universe as possibilist, while the methodological naturalist sees a determinist Universe.

@arjunadan3812 5 ай бұрын

Godly Father=Allah=Brahman

@kikoman780311 6 ай бұрын

God is never going away my guy. As Hitch once said, “Religion is people’s favorite toy.”

@arkdark5554 6 ай бұрын

This great scientist should have been immortal, indeed.

@skywalker-12345 6 ай бұрын

Was he a great scientist? Or merely a marketer or presenter of other great scientists' works?

@Dawkinsbulldog 5 ай бұрын

@@skywalker-12345Don't all scientific greats stand on the shoulders of earlier scientific giants? (Believe it was Isaac Newton who said that.)☺️

@skywalker-12345 5 ай бұрын

@@Dawkinsbulldog was he a scientific great? Or a communicator of scientific greats' works?

@Dawkinsbulldog 5 ай бұрын

@@skywalker-12345 I could look it up with a quick Google search, but I'm pretty sure he played a major role in the development and launch of the Voyagers One and Two missions; and no doubt other such projects; but of course being a good communicator of the discipline certainly isn't to be scoffed at! Why don't you look him up!

@coryjorgensen622 6 ай бұрын

Okay, is that a never-ending cup of coffee, or is he just taking really small sips?

@csjrogerson2377 6 ай бұрын

"As we make God go away". Who said he was ever here?

@jaymusic9039 6 ай бұрын

That's a polite way of saying no he doesn't believe

@squamish4244 7 ай бұрын

I think a better and more practical question is whether consciousness survives death, which has huge implications for how many of us live our lives. Sagan was agnostic about this point.

@tcuisix 6 ай бұрын

I hope not that sounds like a nightmare

@bguen1234 6 ай бұрын

You were dead for the 26 billion years before you were born. Do the math.

@terminat1 6 ай бұрын

@@tcuisixTo be in the presence of an infinite, loving God for eternity would not be a nightmare.

@tcuisix 6 ай бұрын

@terminat1 how do you get that idea from "maybe conciousness survives death" ?

@terminat1 6 ай бұрын

@@tcuisix You said "I hope not" (I hope consciousness doesn't survive death). I was merely pointing out that eternity in the presence of a loving God wouldn't be a nightmare.

@kenthresh3350 6 ай бұрын

Maybe it is because I heard Carl Sagan a lot as an adolescent, but I always think he is just stating the obvious.

@feedigli 6 ай бұрын

Or maybe it has something to do with the stories we're fed by our cultures about what's "normal".

@desertweasel6965 6 ай бұрын

I used to hop on the couch with my dad back in the early 80s and we would watch Cosmos with Carl Sagan in his space ship. Carl smoked weed, too which makes him that much cooler. He's totally baked in this video.

@Tafkadasoh78 5 ай бұрын

Miss him...

@hotmetalslugs 7 ай бұрын

There is a wonderful quote somewhere where Carl says “I am not nearly smart enough to say whether there is or isn’t a god”. I think it was on a call-in radio show. Can’t source it.

@alexandernyhoff2188 7 ай бұрын

I don’t think you have to be supersmart to tell if there is a God or not. Because god speaks to your heart, not your mind

@rubiks6 6 ай бұрын

You don't have to be smart. God reveals Himself to us.

@57Strudel 6 ай бұрын

@@rubiks6 But your comment and the one above it assumes that there IS a god. Dr. Sagan very gently explained in this very video why that isn't a reasonable assumption to make on behalf of other people. Why do you believe there is a god? I'm going to guess it's because your parents taught you that, conditioned you from the time you were barely old enough to understand your language. And they learned from their parents. And so on and so forth back a few thousand years. None of that precludes the possibility that they were simply wrong. "Because they said so" is not a good enough explanation for some of us - and that is exactly why Carl Sagan said he wasn't smart enough to know.

@rubiks6 6 ай бұрын

@@57Strudel - Bad guess. I was raised in an agnostic home and declared my (to myself) an atheist when I was 12. (I have been a very analytical thinker since my earliest years, so don't think 12 is too young. I actually considered it for couple of years.) _"But God shows his anger from heaven against all sinful, wicked people who suppress the truth by their wickedness._ *They know the truth about God because he has made it obvious to them.* _For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky._ *Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities* - _his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God."_ - The Bible, Romans 1.18 - 20, New Living Translation, emphasis added. The above passage says every single human being knows of God, whether they admit it or even if they are in self-denial. Like everyone else, I could clearly see the design and the Designer behind everything When I was 14, some well-educated person whom I had just met, sat down with me and opened his Bible to Genesis 1 and began to explain to me God, life, the universe, and everything (and the answer was _not_ 42). The Bible and his explanations seem to make perfect sense to me and I bought the whole package. This should briefly answer both of your questions (and falsify your assumption). My God (He is your God, too) teaches that all men know of Him and gives a cursory reason for why they reject Him. I can see Him clearly revealed in the design of life and therefore I believe the things He says. If you clearly see design in Mount Rushmore, in a jumbo passenger jet, and in an iPhone why do you suddenly fail to see design in each of God's creatures, and, in fact, in the entire universe? I can't miss it. I live with a continual sense of awe at the things around me. To me, Life, the universe, and everything make God obvious. Our very code was written such that we could comprehend God's existence. Just as I am continuously awed by existence, I am also continuously baffled by people who claim not to see God. I don't get it.

@ljramirez 6 ай бұрын

@@rubiks6 LMFAO! Suuure it does! 🤣