Carl Trueman | The Rise and Triumph of the Modern Self | Gospelbound

[@koroglurustem1722]

I am a Muslim and I am here to learn more about this culture conversation from these Christian fellows. As they noted at the end, Christians should put down internal disagreements and deal with real big moral issues and support each other in this battle. I am coming from a tradition where we believe that not only should Christians stop fighting each other, all believers should stop fighting each other over small disagreements and focus on larger moral issues, help one another to strengthen their beliefs. Having said that, I am benefiting immensely from these discussions. Merry Christmas!

[@winnietheblue3633]

@Heresy Hunter D That's not a good statement to make, it's just not effective rhetoric to insult this man's faith after he made his comment in good faith.

[@bardigan1]

@Heresy Hunter D Reading your hate filled screed makes clear the the appalling amount of hate in your heart. Whatever Jesus is really about you'd have never said something so ugly if you knew him at all.

[@bardigan1]

@Heresy Hunter D I went back and reread what you originally wrote. You may believe it was written in love but nobody else does.

[@eS-ql7vm]

@Heresy Hunter D *B* *O* *O* *M* *E* *R*

[@guiltgracepod]

You may like our podcast, as well. We bring attention to those topics and discussions you mentioned. We value the uniting beliefs all Christians (should) have. We explain history, the Bible, theology and apologetics and more.

[@roberthayes7737]

Great conversation! Devoured the book back in December, and am currently going through it a second time (slower) with a book group. On a side note, Carl Trueman should totally go on Ben Shapiro's show (Sunday Special). Someone please make that happen!

[@vivianoosthuizen8990]

The Christian parent is the group that suffers the most during this current world affairs when their children have become a modern self and parents are cast aside. The loneliness and feelings of a wasted life are these parents reality to their graves

[@gilapo27]

I saw a book called mama bear apologetics it had pretty decent reviews, i got it for my gf to get her used to the types of ideologies our future children may be exposed to, from the introduction itself it seemed like a compelling read

[@nancysells7002]

I started reading the book a few days ago and was hoping there would be this sort of interview online! This book is what I have been longing for and answers so many questions for me. It’s rocking my world and causing me to look at my family...how I think, what I do, how I talk to people. Thank you!

[@krisvastbinder8763]

There is also a great lecture series from Grove City. The audio book is good.

[@TheJojoaruba52]

The book that explains the current culture perfectly.

[@eurodelano]

I‘m almost finished with the book and it’s exactly what I have been looking for to explain the chaos and absurdity we are living with today.

[@tmskf6027]

You have the potential to keep your family be protected and intact. This ia the power of parents

[@honawikeepa5813]

The works of Adolf Schlatter (1852-1938) is worth looking into.

[@mikedowning4869]

40.40 he says how can you dismantle this ? You don't have to because it is just going to self-destruct.

[@meegz149]

35:18 he doesn't know what he is talking about and could only come from a post War mindset of "look at all the treats in my every day life, capitalism is awesome". As the 19th and 20th century went on it looked increasingly likely capitalism would destroy itself. Just as the bankers and merchants over through feudalism, Marx was looking at who would overthrow capitalism. The mass of working men and women who were being torn from the land by the state imposing private property (yes, I said the state. Look up enclosure acts) and thrown into a miserable existence was who he chose. I wonder if he realizes that his statement at 22:06 is textbook Marxism, more specifically historical materialism. The technologies and means of how we work influences social relations. I have never even read anything besides the communist Manifesto and I know that. These two think they understand Marxism...

[@eS-ql7vm]

My favorite part is when the narrator says "I see the same gospel that turned the world upside down" and it overlays clips of insufferable Christian rock musicians in a rock band atmosphere with swooning fans having cathartic emotional orgasms. None of which have anything to do with that ancient Gospel hahahaha. Legendary.

[@TheLuckless]

IIRC Athanasius saved Orthodox Christianity by means of a killer guitar solo.

[@paullaso3645]

Well done conversaion! Looking forward to the read. Thank you.

[@godinaheadlock]

Great conversation guys. I just ordered to book and look forward to reading it.

[@Potamotrygorgeous]

The title is on my list as well. After finishing Is God a moral monster?

[@conantheseptuagenarian3824]

interview e. michael jones.

[@inkoftheworld]

Is gender identity part of the sexual revolution? It's put together in the LGBTQ acronym but it seems quite separate to me, though many people seem to get them confused.

[@JayVal90]

It’s a direct offshoot. “If it feels good, it must be right” leads right into “My inner feelings define my identity”

[@auntierocks4525]

So thankful for you both. Such a great job modeling forgiveness and reconciliation! ❤️

[@MicahBBurke]

Was Mitchell & Webb, not Hugh Laurie, but good stuff regardless.

[@anjolatope-babalola2338]

Now it's incomprehensible and uncontested

[@glizta42]

For those on the other side of Christianity it’s not considered fast

[@mickhurley7305]

I think people have missed another side affect of the rise of the modern self... pollution and greed. I recall watching a documentary from the 70s that connected the sexual revolution with the rise of consumerism and materialism and we all know where that has led us. Among other things the sexual revolution told society they were not only entitled to every feeling and every freedom but were also entitled to having one of every modern convenience and trapping of wealth. This rise of modern self has destroyed our internal morals as well as our outwardly physical world.

[@icecreamforcrowhurst]

In terms of Christian unity it appears to me that Martin Luther really messed that up. Wouldn’t it have been better to try to change the Church from within rather than to atomize the whole institution?

[@danielshaw6780]

When he posted his 95 theses, this was an internal conversation. He didn’t intend to leave the church or draw people away from it. It was the response to and complete rejection of his theses that led to a split. That is not to say that Luther or Zwingli or anyone else in the Reformation was without blame.

[@tomvanderhorst9943]

It was Luther's original intention to simply re-form the church.

[@ricfritz8193]

He tried and desired for the Catholic Church to reform itself but it wasn't interested.

[@heidihaga]

Luther’s goal was to reform the church. If one would do a little reading on reformation history, One would see that the Catholic church’s reaction to internal reform was to label people as heretics and burn them at the stake. If you read through some of the trials you will see the church really wasn’t very interested in having a conversation. They were interested in maintaining their dogmas,power and silencing other veiws. Keep in mind the Catholic Church was not separate from the state. It was a Church /state structure. They played judge and jury as well. Somethings cannot be fixed.

[@jonpeterson7133]

While I appreciate the scholastic inquiry here, I can’t help but resist the implicit Hetero-normative presuppositions here. Just because something appears “natural” doesn’t mean it is. I’m not sure how one proceeds with your line of reasoning without in some way subjugating LGBTQIA folks. Im not sure what the “threat” is here. As much as the two of you would like to criticize modernity-this feels like the same old conservative song and dance: “modernity feels threatening” and then 30 years later said controversy has simply been normalized. (E.g. Brown Vs. Board of education.) so I guess I’m just skeptical of your notion that there are these non-changing touchstones in Christian thought that need to be upheld, this is seems patently false. Yours in good faith, the friendly atheist, Jon

[@JayVal90]

I don’t think you can understand these issues from an atheist perspective. For you, the highest authority on morality and objectivity is yourself and your senses. For the Christian, that highest authority is God. We’re not looking at what “appears natural,” but what the outside source of absolute truth guides us towards.

[@Magnulus76]

@@JayVal90 That's a ridiculous and uncharitable argument, frankly. Nobody has to take somebody else's word for what the truth is, even about God. In fact, to do so is neither safe nor right. There are thousands of religious ideologies out there, all equally cogent and well thought out. What makes conservative Reformed Protestantism so special? A little humility is warranted, I would think.

[@JayVal90]

@@Magnulus76 So trusting your individual senses and brain is better than trusting other people? How is that in any way showing humility? Recognizing that I myself don’t have the corner on truth is WHY I am religious. What you are saying isn’t personal humility, because your alternative is personal assessment for the highest authority on morality and objectivity, which is the exact opposite of humility. Sure, I think that Christianity is “right,” but that doesn’t mean I can’t respect the fact that other beliefs have truth in them as well. What I don’t respect is the claim that all belief systems are equal from someone arguing that I have the wrong belief system. Pick one.

[@Magnulus76]

@@JayVal90 That seems to be a false choice. Why do I have to pick one?

[@omarkn4371]

@@Magnulus76 >belief systems/ Why do I have to pick one? 1. You as ev-one else has a free will → whatever you choose to do or not does have consequences and you are accountable, in this life for sure, and in the next (which you are free to deny, just as you deny the authority of God (Allah - may His Majesty be exalted!) 2. You are free to think that nothing matters, but there is something called truth and reality. Sooner or later this truth, this reality will come to you and equally to ev-one who thinks like you: Go deeper, find out what life is worth really, what the reason is why you are on this earth, what else there is beyond constant entertainment, pleasure-seeking…