Carli Suspension VS Stock | Is Carli Actually THAT Good?

[@CJCOffRoad]

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[@stevenford4501]

Hey Cody Is there a detail shop that you would recommend that does the ceramic coating using the Adam's products? Steven Ford

[@asaintx]

very tired of it. carrying full time truck camper at 3200 lbs though. will this work with that? want to preserve payload capacity of ram3500 dually, but need a better ride.

[@stevetrojano1595]

What is your opinion on a basic Carli commuter kit with 295/65r20s. 21 F250 powerstroke. Won't spend much time off road but lots of frost heaves in the roads around here.

[@kowabungadude1391]

You should do a video where you explain the benefits of each of the add on options for the carli suspension systems, and the cons on not choosing each particular option.

[@tomschuette6133]

I have a 17 F350 Limited and put the commuter system with the add a pack on the truck and the ride went all to hell. Not sure if there is something else that needs to be done to get the great ride you guys talk about. As of now, it is the biggest waste of money I have spent on a truck. This thing rides like a log wagon now vs the stock ride.

[@thelongbow141]

I can't look at Cody without seeing Toby from the Office...

[@CJCOffRoad]

At this point he just embraces it 😂

[@MrKernkraft4000]

"Selling the wife on it" - yeah went through that so can totally attest to it... luckily for me she's a southern gal!

[@JJMassar]

That was the main reason for me upgrading to a fully optioned Backcountry kit for my 2013 F250...my wife refused to ride in my truck until I did something about the ride. Lol 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@joeelkmeatrogan3224]

How much u got for it

[@roroguapo3]

My wife’s the biggest penny pincher in the world, only thing that would sell her on a Carli suspension is if the stock suspension made her teeth rattle and ended up being a bigger bill at the dentist lol.

[@MRFEENIE]

I’m a ram guy but this was an awesome and informative watch! Really good comparison guys!

[@CJCOffRoad]

Much appreciated!

[@SMiller5488]

Absolutely awesome, you guys blew it out with this video. The "high" speed whoops section really sells it!

[@CJCOffRoad]

The poor stock truck definitely felt blown out after those whoops haha.

[@beto5ohh]

@@CJCOffRoad feel bad for the owner who let you guys do this😭

[@MontanaDnK]

00:46 Thats a big Jack Rabbit - Demonstration excellent, thanks again for all your video's.

[@rrvil]

Great video comparison! I’d like to see how the Carli setup compares to the tremor on the same roads. No doubt the Carli is better, but I think there are a lot of tremor owners like myself that are thinking of the upgrade.

[@Rommer2258]

The carli system is worth the coin. Maybe not necessarily the kings. But atleast the backcountry

[@CJCOffRoad]

The Tremors are nothing special suspension wise! They ride exactly the same as a stock 17+ Ford F-350 since they use almost identical suspension.

[@Tonyrd3000]

@@CJCOffRoad What would you recommend for a 2017 to set it up "Tremor like". I want about the same ride height and probably stick with 35s

[@juanramirez-rv6lu]

What would be the difference in speed in the whoop section if you were running the back country system?

[@SMiller5488]

Damn great question, would have loved to see the Fox 2.0's thrown into the test.

[@brianrick6741]

+1 on this! I’m running backcountry on my 05 and would love to see how much better the 2.5 kings are

[@cnoose1212]

Am I the only one that saw the jack rabbit run away from the truck at the :47 mark?

[@caseyheyer]

The main purpose of my 2020 F350 is towing my Airstream. How would this suspension setup work with towing? Thanks.

[@CJCOffRoad]

It works great! We have plenty of options from Carli that keep towing capacity!

[@Gambitfarmer]

Would this system change the towing capabilities of the truck in any way? We’re in the market for a 40’ 5th wheel and an 2020 F-350.

[@barrthom603]

Mark Farmer sane for me. I have a 2020 F350 and I’m also towing a 39 foot toy hauler. I would like to do the 2.5 inch pin top. But I’m concerned with hooking up the fifth wheel and the towing characteristics with the system. Cjc you guys have experience with this? Also I just got the new air lift 5000 air bags will this work with the Carli 2.5? Or will that not work on it?

[@CJCOffRoad]

@@barrthom603 Give us a call and we can help figure out a solution that works. It all depends on the tongue weight/pin weight of the trailer, but the Carli add a pack is typically our solution since it improves ride while maintaining full towing spec. You can also combine an airbag setup with Daystar cradles and Carli leaf spring for complete towing ability and a much smoother ride.

[@30cjbeast]

What mpg are you getting on the lifted truck?

[@elijahadreher1275]

Fellas, I say enough about the full Carli Backcountry 2.0, 2.5 and Method NV 301 18x9s on 37x12.5 you sold me. It is a totally different truck. No more slowing down for railroad crossings.

[@ChangingLanes]

Great video! What are your thoughts on this suspension for a stock 2022 F450? We just picked up our truck a couple of weeks ago and we'd love in improve the ride both towing and not. I don't think we can lift the truck since we tow our home (a large fiver toy hauler) and any added height would make us unlevel or too close to the bed rails...

[@Wintersbite]

Would have liked to see a stock Tremor pkg comparison. Also what effect do these mods have on payload and towing? Tremor is quite capable stock.

[@CJCOffRoad]

The tremor actually has almost identical ride quality to a standard 4x4 Super Duty. We broke it down in a different video, but the Tremor suspension is not special in any way and offers very little ride quality improvement off road when compared to a fx4 or standard 4x4 Super Duty. A Tremor would handle exactly like the stock truck in this video did.

[@DanMar5858]

CJC Off Road - do you have any idea how much the new gas kits will lift a TREMOR? I know Carli lists the kit at 3” on their website but I’m sure that is for regular Super Duty trucks. I know the Tremor has a different ride height, so that why I was wondering. I’m anxiously waiting the release of the new Gas specific kits for my 2020 7.3L Tremor!

[@CJCOffRoad]

The Tremor will get 2.5” of lift from a Carli 2.5 system, or 4.5” if you want the taller 4.5 system.

[@DanMar5858]

CJC Off Road - thanks for the reply, that’s exactly what I needed to know. Keep up the great videos!!

[@Tonyrd3000]

@@CJCOffRoad So what would I have to get my 2017 FX4 to look like the Tremor without the stock ride? Not interested in leveling, more about higher version of standard look (if that makes sense)

[@justinferrell771]

These guys know their stuff. Coils alone make a huge difference. At bare minimum commuter system with upper steering stabilizer.

[@miketorres1390]

Damn what sucks is I watch these videos so much and visualize these nice suspension components on my vehicle but realistically I can’t afford this stuff right now especially in this roughed up time in the economy.. But trust me I will be seeing you guys soon to hook up my 2019 f350

[@FirstSuiGeneris]

_Nice, like the heads up comparison, it does show a lot! Question how much did you air down the stock tires and your Carli set-up tires?_

[@CJCOffRoad]

Both were dropped into the mid/high 20s for pressure.

[@FirstSuiGeneris]

CJC Off Road cool!

[@wildedge_tv]

Love this thorough comparison paired with footage of actually off-roading scenarios. So many videos just show someone crawling over a speed bump to show the difference.

[@kevincrew4770]

My 2020 Tremor rides like a dump truck

[@MTCKIE68]

Damn Skippy it is !!! If people can't understand that they are not paying attention.

[@AP-lh1bq]

Man I'm convinced. I need a carli system. Actually painful to watch the stock truck go over those ruts.

[@kenj.8897]

Because these trucks are for towing not rock crawling . They need weight on the ass end to drive better , unloaded yeah it's stiff

[@johnkraft5640]

Good job on showing the difference. Once I get my Ford tremor. I will definitely be looking for some suggestions and recommendations. InPre order a 2021 Ford Tremor king ranch will have the winch as well. Thank you for the video. Very informative

[@CJCOffRoad]

Thanks for watching!

[@northtrailadventure6054]

Most super duty’s running these same roads are bone stock with zero trouble but the difference your showing is very nice, and might prevent vibration damage that haunts heavy duty trucks

[@JasonWaterfalls13]

Great video, the performance differences between the stock truck and the Carli equipped truck are stark to put it lightly. The stocker doing its best dolphin impression over the whoops lol.

[@CJCOffRoad]

It looks majestic in slow-mo but man was it violent in cab!

[@Mister_X-com]

Very good comparison. Now I understood what will I get if install carli suspension.

[@CJCOffRoad]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@Uneek637]

Watching this while owning a 02 f250 with leafs all around. 😥

[@jamesbladen5154]

Thinking About a new 2021 F250-F350. Is your suspension better than the Tremmer package. I want locking front and rear diff. At this point, ford does not offer a front locking diff. Help. By the way, I first saw your suspension on the new TFL truck.

[@CJCOffRoad]

The Tremor suspension is actually the same as a Factory 2018 F-350 in terms of performance, so a tremor would look just like the white truck in this video! The Carli suspension is a MASSIVE step up from factory ride!

[@shammusomalley8986]

My stock, unladen 2019 F450 Cab and chassis 4x4 on the floor 205" V10 6-speed was brutal on smooth pavement. Any ripple in the pavement and you need to brace yourself. The 19.5" commercial tires suck and there is no wheel travel stock. Almost none. I think it's 5" in the front and it could be 5" in the rear as well, I don't know. But you're not going through any of that travel with no load on it. It might as well have no suspension, because if there's any hairpin or off-camber roundabout, it will lift one rear wheel and spin. I removed two of the rear leaf springs, and added Solastic Shackles. I would say those two things dampened noise from the rear by about 15%. I'm having my 2.5" lift Pintops installed now and 38" Ridge graps in 13.5" 20s to fit over the huge brakes. I got the Carli sway bar and end links and basically everything a 2.5" lift needs to run 38" graps. That should be a major breakthrough in comfort for a cab and chassis - even more so than upgrade for a pickup F450, which already came with pretty comfortable, low pressure tires. I'm going from 85 pounds min on the commercial tire, to 65 max on the Ridge grap LT tire. And going from duallies in the rear to super single rims from Hutchinson that are reversible front to rear, so you get maximum wear out of the tires, because they can be rotated effectively.

[@ReimerKeith]

If building/ordering a new F250 with the intent of upgrading to a Carli suspension, should we order a straight stock 4x4, or are any of the added options helpful - camper package (heavy service front springs/rear aux springs), etc? I'd like to avoid paying for hardware that will be removed.

[@CJCOffRoad]

Essentially avoid or consider any suspension option as a not essential part. Things like lockers or a winch that might come along with the Tremor package for example are useful though! The other thing to consider is that adding something like the camper package may get you the upgraded rear axle housing, which is a nice thing to have. Basically read through the packages carefully to make sure you get what you want, but assume all suspension parts will be removed.

[@BigDaddyCane777]

The stock suspension in my 2019 non-dually F350 SD 4x4 is shit. Absolute shit. It pops, snaps, shakes, it jumps all over the road. At 40,000 miles, I'm ready to get rid of the truck, altogether.

[@Shad0wC0mpany2]

Great video! Thank you for the wealth of information. I am waiting for my 2022 and was just wondering if you could point me toward any reliable, approved installers that are located on Long Island, within 50 miles of 11901?

[@CJCOffRoad]

If you don't mind, send us an email to [e-mail] so we can help!

[@evansorensen7911]

Totally thought these two were the same guy for the longest time haha

[@juansantiago1441]

Hi CJC, Do you guys recommend or work with any shops in the Tampa, Orlando FL area ??? Looking to buy some of your kits for my Ram 2500 5th gen and I’m looking for a quality shop to do the install.

[@CJCOffRoad]

We have a few shops we work with in that area: Extreme Performance (Lower Central), American Muscle Performance Dan Grimm (Southern), Ostar Motorsports (Central). Hope that helps!

[@shanebryan9772]

I work in the oilfield and some of the lease roads I drive down are down right horrible. Im really looking into investing in this. I pull up to 18000 trailers in my truck. How does this hold up to the weight when I'm pulling?

[@CJCOffRoad]

Just fine! There’s lots of options for whatever you need to do with the truck on the Super Duty platform!

[@LWRC]

This has got to be one of the best comparisons bar none! Stock truck popping a fuel supply line?!!! Wow, that has got to be some impact force to jar loose the fuel line clip!! Great job guys!! Nicely done!!!

[@CJCOffRoad]

That poor truck had a rough day for sure! It died on us about 8-9 times while filming due to that fuel line.

[@jeffbennett8093]

For the money is Carli better than thuren on a 2016 ram 2500?

[@KetemaHarris]

Can completely concur with everything said and shown in this video.

[@unknown_truckers]

I know this is an old video, but fleece makes a fix for this, now that yall are getting into the fords, even if yall don't do much to the engine. Fleece makes a fully california legal fix for this, which adds a lock to the fuel line and may save yall when yall are going offroad.

[@engrcumins9809]

What about the gas version of this truck and the Ram, as well? Do you have kits for them?

[@CJCOffRoad]

We do!

[@CJCOffRoad]

We do!

[@engrcumins9809]

@@CJCOffRoad Good. I like the diesels, but I don't think I need one. We'll see how it goes when I go shopping. I'm waiting to have a look at the '21 RAM. I really like what ya'll do. Hope we can do some "bitness" soon. Cheers!

[@shanehuffman6537]

I would suspect you lose some towing capacity with this Carli suspension. With the addition of airbags...how close are you able to get back to the advertised stock towing capacity?

[@CJCOffRoad]

There’s several options that we covered in the video. With the full pack shown in this video, you retain 85% capacity. If you add the right airbags to that, you keep full capacity and keep ride quality. If you do the Carli add a pack leaf option, you also keep full capacity without the need for bags. The full pack option without bags will ride the best.

[@joshakaoger69]

Eyy gorman 🤣👌drien that main road in my Corolla its brutal for a car have to crawl basically 🤣

[@steve5912]

All that money in suspension and still haven’t deleted them

[@MrKernkraft4000]

Did you burn the stock truck afterwards?

[@whitetailobsession344]

Take my money

[@brianwatson242]

Hey guys! Do you plan on or have any info on some lighting options for the 2019 Ram 1500s? I wanna get some of the squadrons in the fog light bezels.

[@big81chocolate]

@cjc ever think about setting up a franchised shop on the east coast? Specifically Charlotte, nc?

[@bigbodybattalion1524]

2nd that

[@giovannireynolds6780]

You guys do such a good job at all your videos and answering questions everyone has, keep it up!

[@CJCOffRoad]

We appreciate the support!

[@DavidBrown-jt7yi]

Would love a small lift over stock with 35's on my new 3500 Ram. I'm new to these trucks, what can be done to keep it close to stock for my trailer but give it a little softer ride?

[@CJCOffRoad]

The Carli and Thuren levels are a nice option! They offer between 1 and 2.75” lift depending on the options chosen, and improve ride nicely!

[@DavidBrown-jt7yi]

@@CJCOffRoad I'm pretty new when it comes to trucks and lifts. I will be towing a 11,000 trailer about 6 to 7 times a year. Do you recommend a lift while towing. Also, i have factory airbags so I dont know if that plays into all of this. Was just looking for a possible small lift and a nice soft ride. Thanks.

[@protectoservices]

Are you’ll twins?😆

[@christiandavis3910]

Well, there goes $8,000 out of my bank account. Great video to see the comparison and definitely sold me.

[@gadielsantiago8813]

Those dirt roads looks like the paved roads here in Puerto Rico omg🤭🤦🏻‍♂️🤣

[@chrisismadn3ss]

is there a difference in ride quality if i increase my carli pintop 4.5" to 5.5" on my 2020 F350"

[@intensifier2182]

It is crazy how bad the stock suspension is on a stocker. On a bad highway it gets so violent over large potholes I thought airbags would deploy.

[@scottbreaux9735]

I’d like to see what suspensions are available for f-250 3/4 xlt 2021 I work in oil&gas in midland Tx and New Mexico really rough lease roads and rough highways also is there repair shops in these areas ?

[@mavricxx]

I don't understand why Ford makes sloppy suspensions, my Mustang GT feels so sloppy too that I've done a lot of suspension upgrades.

[@A71-c6v]

Omg there’s two of them I thought it was the same guy just with out the glasses

[@refsa01]

I am running a 2018 f250 lariat tubo diesel engine with a 6inch lift on 37's and I love it ...😎

[@Ironwolff-69]

Great video, you make me want one setup like that. 😃

[@Maxxdiff14]

For the cost of these trucks, the stock suspension should be better. Or the Tremor package should be better at least.

[@CJCOffRoad]

We agree!

[@fathertime209]

Do these two trucks have the same engine, trans and axle ratio? If so how does the miles per gallon compare, real world? Thanks...

[@Texasbroski512]

09:15 surprising how terrible the stock f250 flexes and crawls for being a sold axle

[@genecoppedge5972]

Great demonstration of the Carli suspension, thank you.

[@Norcal18]

Awesome video. Well done. I feel like Carli should have done something like this a long time ago. Really helps the consumer to see what they’re getting. 👍🏻

[@jeeping9372]

Really looking forward to the 2020 7.3 gas version!!!

[@joekegg]

Great video!!! Have not had my ‘20 F350 offroad, but I’m not at all impressed with its suspension on road. Shocks are way stiff, every bump is felt. This video is very telling even though you can’t feel it. You can definitely see the differences in the behavior of the two rigs. So now you got me wanting to do the full Carli setup.

[@joekegg]

@@jackj5368 - sadly, not yet, but it is still on the to-do list!

[@joekegg]

@@jackj5368 - how about you?

[@Enjoytheinbetween]

How does this affect cargo capacity and how would it handle a truck camper?

[@CJCOffRoad]

We have rear leaf options specific to trucks with in bed load and campers, as well as shock tuning to go along with it. This Ram build is a perfect example of what we can do on a Ford or Ram truck with a camper: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rYHSo2Cqpdlsgsk

[@tomclams2800]

what size rims were on the white truck.they looked likr 20s other one looked like seventeens.

[@niscomok]

What is the interior noise like in the Carly F250? Has the suspension insulated the body from the added noise of the 37’s?

[@CJCOffRoad]

37s themselves don’t make any more noise than a smaller tire. Tread pattern is the only thing that changes noise level, so just pick a quiet tread design and you’re set!

[@samuelolivares6671]

After making some serious money on DOGE. I will be buying this set up for my 2020 f250. But one question that I can’t seem to find is I have a f250 with heavy duty package which gives me a bigger differential and more springs in the rear. What package do I need for the springs???

[@CJCOffRoad]

You have the F-350 rear springs, but they’re the same parts as an F-250 for either the Carli add a pack or full replacement leaf pack.

[@JimTheHunt]

I am buying an F350 4X4 crewcab with an 8 foot bed. I plan on putting a 4,000 lb (Wet weight) slide in camper. I want to put a 4 inch lift with 37's or 35's. I don't want to get too high to mess with the center of gravity when the camper is on. Thoughts on suspension add?

[@CJCOffRoad]

That is a VERY heavy caper to put in the bed, so you’ll want to keep the truck as low as possible with a 2.5” Carli system and then do a custom rear leaf spring pack from Deaver.

[@jeanjeudi1111]

Ford needs to see this video and do something about the inadequate suspension setup for even basic ranch work. I don't see how the stock F350 could handle driving around on my Montana property, what the hell ? Seems surprising incapable.

[@CJCOffRoad]

If you think this is bad you should see a new GM truck in the dirt!

[@DG-ou8hx]

What are the specs on the wheels? I already have the level kit back country 2.0. I tow 16k weekly so I have the add a packs. I'm running fuel 20s with 35x12.5s, but might want to change to a forged true-beedlock with 37s. Btw- I've ended up talking to both these guys several times on truck set-up and tuning. Super humble, very informative. I would never buy from anyone else on customer service alone.

[@CJCOffRoad]

These are a 17" wheel with 5" backspace which is perfect for 37s on these Super Duty trucks! 5.5" backspace works well too for a little less trimming. Glad you're enjoying the truck!

[@my2017raptorhardtail]

Absolutely awesome. Love the way your truck looks. Can't wait for my buddy to get his done. HURRY UP ON HIS PARTS!!!! We've been waiting for months! Lolll wanna get my Raptor and his Carli built truck out on the dirt ASAP!

[@Jake-0]

Incredible video, on my life I will be getting this on my truck when I can afford it reasonably!

[@athgd9754]

They ain’t the same person…

[@brainiacproductions357]

How do you end up with 12” of travel in the front from 6-7” of travel? What cjc components make the truck have more front end travel

[@CJCOffRoad]

The coils, shocks, track bar and small supporting parts like brake lines etc make it possible. In the rear travel is increased with the shocks and leaf pack options.

[@tjshine7444]

I noticed the 2020 test truck was the stock 4x4, are you seeing the same results with the "FX4" upgrade? I'm thinking the $400 upgrade basically covered the skid plates and box decal. They were supposed to be upgraded off road shocks as well.

[@CJCOffRoad]

There’s unfortunately no upgrade in suspension performance or shocks with the Fx4 or Tremor package.

[@chrisc3316]

What headlights are you running on the 2018?

[@CJCOffRoad]

Stock black out edition lights.

[@rileybowers1290]

R.I.P. CP4 after that fuel line came off

[@SkeldZ06]

Are there any mud flaps that will work with 37s? The paint must get destroyed by flying rocks?

[@CJCOffRoad]

Any flap that doesn’t encroach on the wheel well opening will work!

[@DS-TRUCKS]

It'll be so cool to go off road in that lifted truck!

[@WoodrowWoods2007]

Why no FX4 comparison? Do you guys have anything for someone that just wants a better suspension and doesn’t want a lift or level kit?

[@CJCOffRoad]

The Fx4 has identical ride quality to this truck. As for no lift, the lift is a byproduct of increasing travel, so it’s necessary to improve the suspension. A 2.5” or 3.5” front height increase is well worth it for literally double the suspension travel!

[@RockinRack]

What's this set up cost? Let's say I wanna throw the Carli top end line up at a 2020 f250? Like 10k?

[@CJCOffRoad]

Here’s a link to compare pricing and systems: cjcoffroad.com/collections/carli-2017-ford-suspension-systems

[@ethannixon4872]

Can u help slowspeeds out with suspension for his truck ???

[@ap-op1wy]

can i bring you my 2021 tremor for all these cool upgrades and for the install?

[@CJCOffRoad]

Absolutely!

[@cskipper65]

No doubt the suspension is better but a better test is with the same tires and air pressure.

[@MarsFit78006]

Do any of the systems come with skid plates? Are they compatible with dacorty skid plates?

[@CJCOffRoad]

They do not come with skid plates, but are compatible with all factory skids.

[@sandia171ra72]

Can't wait to add Carli to my F-250, and call it my T-Rex. Great video off road oil field leas roads.

[@daveharris1549]

Unrelated, what front bumper is on that 2018? Looks good.

[@CJCOffRoad]

Our own! www.cjcoffroad.com/collections/ford-bumpers/products/cjc-built-2017-2019-ford-super-duty-front-bumper

[@NNWarrior]

Im going to buy a Tremor and get this suspension.

[@woolengrappler]

How would the Carli be for supporting a truck camper, around 2200lbs loaded?

[@CJCOffRoad]

In that case you’ll either want to use the factory leaf pack on a F-350 or do a custom leaf pack from Deaver designed for the weight. The latter option is definitely the preferred route!

[@kylezentz8405]

Any shops in Denver you recommend? Also how much should one expect to pay for install of these kits?

[@TeagueCreek]

How does Carli compare to BDS ?

[@greggmanning9689]

You convinced me I will be going with this system.. great video

[@mikestrucks]

Great video guys 👍🏻 what a huge difference between the 2 trucks !!

[@nicholausstraach458]

Wheel size, offset, level of trimming required?

[@Bone_Frog2666]

You guys have any bumper options for the 19 Ram 2500’s with front parking sensors and Adaptive Cruise Control sensors?

[@CJCOffRoad]

Waiting on AEV and a few others!

[@precisiondiesel225]

My 2020 Ram 2500 now rides like a dream with my Carli suspension. South Louisiana roads SUCK!!! But no worries now.

[@CJCOffRoad]

Glad you’re enjoying it!

[@FernandoSosaIndustries]

Great video and thanks for making this comparison, really shows what the difference is between stock and modified.

[@paulvivier1984]

So can I just piece meal a Carli suspension? Like buy the components I want and achieve somewhat the same expectations? Carli?

[@CJCOffRoad]

To a point, but you at least need to run the base coils/shocks along with the necessary supporting parts. Obviously the more you add, the better the ride

[@paulvivier1984]

@@CJCOffRoad Fantastic. I just bought fox 2.0 shocks, Fox steering Stabilizer, and has 3 inch leveling kit. 4 inch. Block in rear springs and it's like riding in a bulldozer. In your professional opinion, what top 3 things I should change?