Trade School vs. College

[@benfeld4058]

I went to college and then one semester of med school before I realized I was chasing someone else's dream - which cost me $90k in total. I'm 29 now and a steamfitter apprentice - 3 years through a 5 year apprenticeship. I work with a guy who's 30, but he started in the trade when he was 19. He's already got $300k in his annuity and 6 years left on a 30 year mortgage. Granted, he did a LOT of overtime, but now he's basically set for life and has absolutely zero financial worries.

[@kylegrygo244]

Ben Feld just curious if u don’t mind saying how much do you make?

[@benfeld4058]

I’ve got about a year and a half left, and make $37.81 an hour. August 2020 that will go up to around $47. And journeymen make $58 an hour, and usually get a raise in May. Then there’s the pension, annuity (retirement fund that you personally don’t contribute any money to), great healthcare, and a vacation check (I get $1.5 per hour in there, but that comes out of your overall pay, so $36.31 is my hourly rate in my checks every week).

[@beastsoundz617]

Ben Feld hey bro jr in high school here any way to start early and get ahead

[@benfeld4058]

BeastSoundz Unfortunately not. You have to be 18 and a high school graduate, at least for my union.

[@benfeld4058]

@Iron HeartI'm a steamfitter. We put in piping systems, so that could be anything from copper pipe, screw pipe, weld pipe, and more. Basically, you put the pipe supports up, put the pipe up, and secure the joints depending on the type of pipe it is. Steamfitters work with higher pressure systems than plumbers, which is what the difference is. All the trades I know of involve a fair amount of math, unless you're strictly a welder.

[@dshanley7]

I remember at my high school it felt like all they really cared about was that you went to college and they preferred it was a big recognizable name so they could keep their statistics up and brag that like, "we sent kids to Harvard" or wherever. No one really cared about helping kids find direction or what's best for them. And NOT going immediately out of senior year was viewed as being a complete failure. It's a shame really. I'd hope it's less like that now.

[@walkermorales337]

dshanley7 our school was a little bit different, we recognized scholarships and people going into a military service, and the district offered a bunch shops that gave certifications and stuff, but AP classes and going to college were heavily encouraged

[@garethbaus5471]

@@walkermorales337 in my high school AP courses were pretty useless, and the only duel credit course I took was college algebra. When I started college it was expected that you start in calculus and I started off a semester behind because the most advanced course I was offered just wasn't at the level expected.

[@Chris-b4w8t]

I feel like it’s a lot better now because even when I graduated (2016) people were less like this but definitely still like this

[@goodboi4939]

I tried to join service but my kidneys held me back. I wasn’t interested in college so I just work and hoping to go into a trade, I’m 22 and I’m just wandering. I hope those who took time to read are having a Blessed day 🙏

[@The_Kavalier]

College Degrees have had the most amazing marketing campaign for the past 60 years which has lead us to the current student debt crisis with a bunch of under/overqualified degree holders without any experience or opportunities. The best advice I can give to people is to not think college is the only path. Love this one Carl!

[@CarlspacklerJr]

The Kavalier agreed. Universities are a racket. I have a useless degree and am now saddled with tons of debt. I will be steering my son towards trade school

[@lordspongebobofhousesquare1616]

@@CarlspacklerJr what major did you took?

[@Doritos-ik5eu]

@@lordspongebobofhousesquare1616 business accounting. it sucks.

[@BMoris95]

I went to a four-year school for three years before realizing I wasn't cut out for that kind of work. I was miserable studying for hours and in professors offices struggling to understand certain concepts. I'm a hands-on person and it just wasn't for me. Switched to a trade school and loved it. All the classes pertained to the trade and I had a job in the field within one month. It's a real benefit to learn at school as well as on the job at the same time. I just finished a two-year machining program and am making $22/hr. I think it's a shame how trades are sometimes looked down upon. If you are a hands-on learner, a trade is an excellent option. As far as the inconveniences in the trades, it really depends on the trade and your employer. I'm a machinist and I work in a clean shop with nice facilities. The company I work at really cares for its employees.

[@khangvan2912]

Thank for the information , i'm 17 right now . Next year i will graduated high school , so i go trade school instead of college because i'm hands-on learner , i love machinist too .

[@nolifezay4636]

@@khangvan2912 I’m 17 and what do u so after hs for electrician?

[@Dreadlock1227]

I definitely think we shouldn’t downplay the cons of a career in the trades. Particularly the ware and tear on the body. I’m only 27, been working as a carpenter about 7 years and I’m already feeling it. My knees are sore more than they used to be, my back doesn’t always work like it used to… and I’m still young. I definitely get a little bit of anxiety thinking about the future and how bad it’s going to get. You see lots of guys on job sites who are like 50 and seem like they can barely walk. Don’t get me wrong, I love working as a carpenter and if I could go back I don’t think I’d do anything differently, but the toll on the body is very real and I think it’s important to make sure people understand that before going into the trades

[@joshuasabater5221]

If you have a background in a trade you will always have a job.

[@emandujano63]

Unless there’s a recession then your screwed

[@Warriorbob-im5py]

Idk Jul then everyone is screwed regardless of education. But knowledge in the many trades will always be in demand. Cars still break, houses still need to be maintained and kept up, etc.

[@johnsmith6974]

@@Warriorbob-im5py hahahhaha no. Let me tell you if I hard this phrase. "Trades are alway in demand" and "You'll always have work" I would have stayed as an apprentice electrician insteading if electronic engineering. Let me break it down, for starters you need a permit for everything, a license for everything and some drunken asshole who will pay you anywhere from $8 an hour to maybe $12 and expect you to own all your own tools including power drills and more while working maybe 40hrs a week, four 4 years before you take the exam on the NEC which changes every three years. See if you need anything done on your house it's about $100 to $200 just for a lightswitch, because of insurance and shit...and if I do it uninsured and unlicensed and get caught I get jail time and $6000 in fines. Then I hear "open your own business after you are licensed " if I had a dollar for everytime I heard this one I wouldnt work at all. Guess what? Everyone and their brother beat you to the punch there are soo many plumbers, HVAC techs, electricians and more that I could spend all day showing you the ones in just a small town or a large town of 100,000. Because so much competition you mostly will charge the same price and offer the same shitty wages to labor...thus the cycle continues.

[@CarlMurawski]

@warriorbob07 This is absolute bullshit. The situation you're describing is residential work, and a very small slice of the opportunities out there. I went through my electrical apprenticeship doing some residential and the service side of that is dog eat dog, that is correct. However, even the little shop I worked for paid $25/hr for a newly minted licensed electrician 12 years ago. Since then I moved to industrial and commercial work for a nice little bump in pay, then to transportation work where I currently am. Our journeymen make around $50/hr. and lead-men a bit more, foremen make 10% over the journeyman pay, and general foreman makes even more. Not to mention the overtime/night differential which is considerable. Plus I have a company car, per diem, and a yearly bonus which has never been below 10k. This isn't an anomaly either, we employ over 500 electricians and work in three states. You can be very prosperous in this field if you're willing to work hard.

[@RichKilla86ers]

I’m union so I’ll be ok

[@McOuroborosBurger]

If you’re going to do something very specialized (and hopefully decent paying), do college. If you have no real idea, do trade school or community college for basics and find what you like.

[@walkermorales337]

Bass Stuff the issue with community college is that it’s kinda dependent on where you live, our local community college is known for not really caring too much about their students and also not teaching their subjects as well as the local university despite credits transferring, so if/once you transfer you could be placed in a class without actually having all the background knowledge needed

[@McOuroborosBurger]

Walker Morales true, this only applies if you have a sub-par Community college. If that’s the case then State school is a good second best, or online college.

[@jabezriosdesabato1657]

art majors be like: BRUGGGG

[@dylanjperri]

Jack Rivers art majors be like: *on da street*

[@dc76384]

What makes you think that trades are not specialized training? I suppose you feel that trades people are just second class citizens?

[@1eparry]

I teach high school English and used to work at a vocational school. I think the fact we don’t have more of those types of schools in this country is a huge problem. I used to hire former students to help me with jobs around my house all the time. They simply had skills I wish I had at their age. The fact we don’t respect trades in this country is a crime and that’s coming from a guy with many years of post graduate schooling.

[@the_average_hobo]

I got a degree from The Ohio State University. Take my word and go to a trade school!

[@victorguerrero3197]

G Gray dude I’m thinking about it. I go to Columbus state and I’m just so unhappy at school period.

[@the_average_hobo]

@@victorguerrero3197 I'm a veteran and have a college degree and can't find work. I'm either "too qualified" or "not qualified." If I had to do it again, I would have went to a trade school.

[@the_average_hobo]

@@victorguerrero3197 Columbus state is chill though. Save money and get to be close to OSU's off campus parties.

[@victorguerrero3197]

G Gray yeah it’s chill but the goal right now at least it to transfer to osu. Not really excited about that. I’m in the guard and found that I like working with my hands and don’t mind taking a shit anywhere that isn’t a clean bathroom. Lots to think about but definitely leaning towards a trade school.

[@reyvalentine3]

Grant Gray really? I’m currently active duty and getting out in 2.5 years. Was considering going to college but I keep seeing the trade school route

[@ChipitaDraws]

In Germany there is a saying: „Handwerk hat goldenen Boden“, which when you turn it into an English rhyme means: ”With a trade in hand, you find gold in every land“. And I believe that‘s true.

[@maonyksmohc9574]

if you manage to get really good and start something on your own-maybe, if you are an employed tradesman-no way

[@kehmar]

@@maonyksmohc9574 ok so what do you recommend brother. Is trade a good option for someone who is low iq

[@MrTonybonez]

That's actually a wonderful saying.

[@LukeSutherland.]

I feel like Trades can act like a good stepping stone. Since it can be physical demanding work, do it while you're young and in good physical health, set aside some money for a while, then later go into College if you'd like.

[@hastytkd5768]

I just want something that can get me money without debt, I’m well rounded and can learn quickly. I really just want to start my own business, eventually.

[@JoshJourney1]

Same, they say the people that's all around have a hard time finding what we like because we can do everything we put our minds to.

[@brantlyb2b35]

Hastytkd Do a trade job, save and make money to open your business

[@hastytkd5768]

@@brantlyb2b35 That's the plan.

[@infamouscrusader3363]

If you are serious about making your own business I would recommend Accounting or MIS.

[@infamouscrusader3363]

@@brantlyb2b35 That's a good plan too.

[@dereksullins4841]

Been to college and finally finished with a Master's in Criminal Justice. I learned two things from college: 1. College is a racket 2. It should be illegal for colleges to offer Criminal Justice or Criminology as a major If a person wants to be a cop and go to college I strongly suggest getting a degree in another field other than criminal justice so you have something to fall back on if being a cop doesn't work out. Also I would push someone towards trade school before college for the previously stated reasons. This message coming from a Law Enforcement Officer, hopefully it helps the future LEO applicants.

[@assassin7250]

@Vanguarded_Heart 117 why do u have to wait 6 years.. wtf.. that doesnt make sense

[@fuccckckkkkckkck]

My local community college is practically a police academy.

[@jadenbertrand7114]

Hey man I’m currently taking criminal and social justice at mine for policing lmao . I’ve read so many reviews where I’m from that it’s impossible to get a job in the police force unless you’ve done literally nothing illegal which isn’t the case for me . I’ve sped , driven drunk tried drugs ect so I’m more than likely not going to get in when they do the lie detector test 😂and yeah I’m thinking of quitting this now after all these reviews . The year just started so I would have wasted 3k but better than finishing it and being 30k in debt and not having a job in my field or going into social services and making 20$ an hour

[@paulallen579]

I studied engineering in college. It was very transformative for me, it taught me how to learn. I had to grasp completely foreign, mathematical concepts and then apply them quickly. It taught me how to detach myself and see things in the abstract. I’ve benefited from that professionally and I appreciate learning new stuff more than before.

[@garethbaus5471]

What kind of engineering?

[@paulallen579]

Gareth Baus Computer engineering, I work mostly with machine learning and big data pipelines.

[@garethbaus5471]

@@paulallen579 definitely an interesting subject, I am currently working on a degree in metallurgical engineering.

[@chicagoan6342]

Pontus Ekholm I agree about Enginerring degrees, my undergrad was in Electrical and Masters in Software Engineering. In my opinion Engineering degrees are a good investment and you could graduate with less student debt, there are internships available that pay decently.

[@colin6744]

This video really helped me out. I'm in highschool right now and I work part time as an apprentice for a company that does work on industrial burners, furnaces, etc. and I love getting my hands dirty but feel like I'm being chained down everytime I go into one of my classes knowing that I'll never use the information that I learned. I've learned so much more from being out on the field interacting with people and using my hands than sitting at a desk listening to a middle aged man who isn't happy with his job blabber on about geometry. With all the points you brought up I am leaning torwards going to trade school and getting licensed in being a boiler technician. Anyway thank you for making this video and quite possibly helped me find my way for the future!

[@CarlMurawski]

I certainly hope it did! I know just what you mean about irrelevant information, but remember to pay attention in reading and writing especially. The ability to speak well to potential clients or to write a well-worded proposal are invaluable and you'll stand out if you take these skills seriously.

[@elroco4827]

I'm currently in trade school (Columbus Technical College). I've received my Machinist certificate and a diploma in CNC technology. This is my last semester and then I'll have a associates degree in Applied Science (technical studies). My job pays for my expenses and I was already in the field that I'm going to school for. I went just to get my paper work and to increase my pay rate. I make $23.64 and still getting raises every year. I highly recommend Trade school. Good luck

[@elroco4827]

@Connor Mossberg new now and make more now. That's good money for a man like me. No kids, no wife 😎

[@elroco4827]

@Isabel Z. Way more

[@jamesnguyen3043]

i got an associate degree in precision machining and now I am making 26/h. my team mate who is more experience is making about 28 -30/h . if you spend time for CNC programming (Mastercam, Fusion 360) you can jump to 30+/h easily

[@kehmar]

@@jamesnguyen3043hey brother why does every trade requires extensive math. I suck at math. Is there any trade that is best for a low IQ individual like me.

[@joshuasabater5221]

Being in trade school set the foundation for my future and with a background in the trades you take that knowledge and apply it anywhere

[@PsychAxE]

Hi Mister, what do you work in?

[@joshuasabater5221]

@@PsychAxE I’m a plumber. I started in 2016 at a trade school while i was in high school I graduated in 2018 and got hired that same year as an apprentice plumber

[@PsychAxE]

@@joshuasabater5221 Hows your business going.

[@joshuasabater5221]

@@PsychAxE Pretty good. I work for a plumbing company part time while taking classes for my associates at my local community college. by next year i’ll have my hours an be ready to take my journeyman’s test. And from there i’ll see where things take me.

[@yo2241]

@@joshuasabater5221 can you get into trade school at any age?

[@anothersome1552]

Learning about trade school gave me so much hope for my future. I really suck at highschool and my family struggles enough to pay the electric bill. My dream is to go too college but my biggest fear is that I wont ever be accepted to any due too my grades in highschool, or I would have to take out a student loan and be in dept forever like my mom and grandparents. I never knew what I wanted to be so the pressure of my family was always getting to me, and its unbelievable that I'm only a freshman and worries over how I can live or go to college in the future. That was until I heard about trade school. I only heard about trade school a couple days ago and my anxiety was literally turning into hope. Trade school basically is everything I hope for that normal colleges were trying to take away. Trade school doesnt care about my highschool grades or sat scores, and allows me to get the education that normal colleges give out for way less tuition fees and time taken up at school. Im the type of girl who cares more about working and having money in my pocket. So when I heard that you could a job right outta that gates after trade school I was stoked. I decided I wanted to be a dental assistant or hygienist. (I'll find out after i complete highschool) Because i want to help people feel confident when they smile. I know I'm smart, I just needed a little bit of hope to help me see that I am. And even though I'm often times an air head, when I put my mind into something I love I do wonders. (Sorry this was so long and kinda unnecessary.)

[@edgaravilac2753]

I'm 16 right now and have similar worries about collages and so forth. I'm completely clueless about this type of stuff. Have you started your dental things and if so what's the process?

[@peanutbutter5237]

how are you doing now? would love to hear great news!!

[@cdcVintage]

Great topic! College is in such high demand they can charge anything they want and people would still be lined up to go. I wrote a book on Amazon called "College Debt Slavery" and I think we need more entrepreneurs.

[@gavin_1973]

You do bring up a good point, it's like a monopoly of sorts in my mind. Everyone needs to go to college nowadays so why stop raising the price when the demand is artificially set up, right?

[@nabipalack4607]

I am 17 and looking at the military, college and trade school But my end goal is to become a entrepreneur

[@kevinlamarr1424]

As a 60 year old person who was once 17 looking at the military, please let me give you an idea based on my experience. I was taking auto mechanic class in high school in 1977. I dropped out and went into the military as a 52 B 30 power generator mechanic. I got out in 1980 . Messed around 2 years then enrolled at the university of Washington DC. I worked / paid my way through college-no GI bill, graduating in 1989. I fixed cars among other things to pay for college. So you can do “D” all the above by choosing an MOS that will translate into a MARKETABLE civilian job. Then you have the choice of working part time and going to school full time. As long as you can handle it, how you do it really doesn’t matter as long as you graduate 👨‍🎓. After a few years of experience, start a business part time, work out the bugs, then if it’s possible go for it! Good luck 🍀 in achieving your ULTIMATE GOALS! Just remember the paths may change but the goal 🥅 remains the same!

[@kevinlamarr1424]

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[@kevinlamarr1424]

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[@ofimportance5458]

@@kevinlamarr1424 I don't think that applies, because it's wayy too old.

[@kevinlamarr1424]

Cxsmic Chaos :D 🙄

[@isaiahwood7299]

Excellent breakdown, you hit the nail on the head. A real look at the pros and cons of higher education is not very common today. I have had a very similar career to yours, and seen both sides of the workforce as well. In addition to being in the military. Your videos continue to be a source for inspiration, keep up the good work!

[@shanaballiette2943]

Thank you for this video. I had my own cleaning business for 20+ years right out of high school. Did go to an expensive college for a business management and marketing degree. I'm not using it (white collar work was something I wasn't interested in). My job did ok for me and my family, being able to go on field trips with my 3 kids, be home when they left for school and when they got home. But after a divorce a few years ago and being unsatisfied with my life, I finally entered the trades. I'm a second year apprentice as a tinner. I'm almost 44. I am loving it. I get a good workout almost every day, finally have a retirement and good health insurance. Even a vacation account. And I work with some awesome people who are willing to pass on their knowledge and be patient with me. The trades are not interesting to my daughters, but my son, he might be. He's only 13, and I only figured out my life a couple years ago, so I'm not rushing him. But, this video might be a good watch for him.

[@adamrodriguez5419]

Being in the class of 2021 this helps a ton. My family has always told me I have to go to college because my parents didn’t so all I ever thought about career wise. I wanted to be a vet for a while but I didn’t want to be in school for that long which, then I thought maybe I could be a nurse or doctor as I was more passionate about thta and I was willing to go to school for that long up until I learned I could just be an EMT without college which was more interesting too me but it wasn’t college so that was out the window, and most recently was paleontology I absolutely adore this hobby but that’s just it it’s a hobby that I can do without college so what’s the point. Started looking into the navy purely out of intrigue but I’m so severely color blind I could never be in the military among other medical issues. I actually felt something different when I looked into the navy, I felt relief that maybe I don’t have to go to college to be happy and successful. I work best with my hands and I’m starting to look into trades. It’s gonna be hard to break this to my family, my grandparents have had my entire college fund paid for since I was born which I mean made not worrying about college easier but it doesn’t help that i honestly don’t want to go to college that much. I know my grandparents especially my grandmother are gonna be pissed that they have all this money saved I might not even use it. I’ve always felt pressured to go to college I can’t blame my family for wanting that for me because my dad went into the military and could never find a good job once he got out and my mom got pregnant with me at 19 and dropped out after I was born.

[@CarlMurawski]

Your comment really brings to light the complexity of this choice which is unfairly thrust upon young people. In the end it seems that you have the trades which have their own set of challenges, but then there is the expense of college which may be wasted if you don't actually use the information! This is the problem with how trades are viewed versus college, but I can tell you that I work with men every single day who earn six figures by using their hands. My wife went the college route and works in insurance- she currently makes only slightly more than half of that.

[@abigailj5689]

I am an apprentice electrician on commercial construction sites, and can definitely relate to this video. I agree that people should stop trying to push others into college when they are nowhere near cut out for it, or whatever job they get from college.

[@coke8077]

I’m 16 years old, my parents having me help them with their home renovations and my job at a grocery store have made me realize I enjoy more manual labor oriented work rather than sitting all day, which is what I do at school all day. I love problem solving and moving around and getting stuff done. I plan to go to technical college when I graduate and become an electrician and eventually I would like to be a contractor or project manager.

[@kevinumba6281]

I've just graduated High School and now taking an Hvac class at a technical college. I couldn't agree more with you on this topic💯💯

[@jakegwen2393]

What’s the tuition for the college?

[@ozzysgang7193]

I am taking an HVAC class right now as a senior in high school 👍🏽

[@ch1p0lte48]

I am also taking hvac as a senior in high school do you’ll know anything about pay rate after 5 years I want to make 30 or more an hour before I settle down and buy a house thanks guys

[@mirage6106]

am i able to drop out of trade school?

[@jakeblack8190]

Taking biology right now. When he said "Mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell" I literally laughed out loud. Thank you for making this video. I appreciate your insight, as I am struggling with the issue of direction right now.

[@ricker76er]

I graduated HS in 1994, and I still remember my Freshman year biology teacher using that exact phrase.

[@Dreadlock1227]

I have a bachelors in biology, and Ive literally never even used it. Couldn’t even tell you where it is lol. I’m carpenter and I bartend pet time. I love it, and I think I’m at a much happier place than I would be had I pursued a career in bio after college. It is fun to be able to drop knowledge on my unexpecting coworkers though lol. I went to trivia with a few guys from work, and a lot of them didn’t know I went to school and have a degree, so all the science related questions, I was nailing and they’re sitting there looking at me like “why the fuck do you know that” 😂😂

[@denzelsnyder3425]

Currently working towards a BA in forestry. Interesting path as I’m essentially using university as a trade school because everything I do is specific to my industry. I definitely see fellow students who have gone tens of thousands in debt for a degree with hardly any market value whatsoever.

[@walmartramen]

There was a guy in college that found out the holy grail. How to go to college without quitting because your broke! He saved up money for years then when ready quit his job left his apartment cut bills etc and moved in a homeless center. Slept there at night, took classes at day. He had most of his money going to college and was able to make it! Blew our minds back then!

[@fuccckckkkkckkck]

Jesus... that is a huge sacrifice to live like that. Dude has good willpower.

[@Atomicneko3000]

Wow, this was a video I didn’t expect from you but really needed. I’m currently struggling deciding between working a year and going to a college/tradeschool, or just jumping right in. I want to have enough money to spend on things I need but I feel like the longer I wait the less motivated I am.

[@walkermorales337]

Atomicneko depending on where you live you could go to college, buy things you want and not go into debt, but I would say talk to a couple counselors from trade schools and universities/colleges and see what interest you, if you get a job it’s tempting to just not go to college or to get a trade and to make money instead, my parents convinced me to go by saying if I don’t go they would send me to Peru because otherwise I would just be a waist of space in the US. I’m actually enjoying university right now

[@ch1p0lte48]

I completely agree I want a nice house and a good boat that’s the goal I’m working towards but idk that my trade HVAC will get me this things, pls do tell me if you have any insight.

[@fuccckckkkkckkck]

Honestly nothing wrong with working for a while to actually decide what to do... just be careful cause you could be like me stuck on a crappy Cashiering job you already hate and too lazy to actually figure what you want to do.

[@lordspongebobofhousesquare1616]

@@fuccckckkkkckkck sorry but if you don't mind telling how did you get stuck in your current job?

[@nateb9768]

I’m going to my local community college, originally majoring in kinesiology but I’ve changed to Park Management. It’s the perfect mix for me with hands on learning/classroom learning. One of my classes will teach me basic plumbing, carpentry, dry wall, concrete and painting skills. Then I’ve got a EMT level wilderness rescuer class. If you learn applicable skills then you are set! Federal/Trades are the best jobs to go into. If I work for my county or federal agency as a Park Ranger there’s so many great benefits. Sure you will make less then the private sector but I will not have the stress of feeling like I will be laid off, and retire at age 55.

[@kehmar]

@Connor Mossberg May I ask why

[@joshuasabater5221]

Trade schools are highly underutilized in this country I wish they would put them into low income neighborhoods( Baltimore) and maybe change the narrative of always encouraging people to go to college

[@Tristen_Smith]

Joshua Sabater. Trade schools should be free

[@1aande1]

so we wouldnt have electricians and mechanics and housebuilders?

[@stephenkormanyos766]

Thank you for the wonderful video. Superb advice regarding hidden and not so hidden costs associated with post-high school education presented in a non-biased and realistic manner. I went into medicine because I was kinda smart-though really through 99% perspiration and 1% inspiration if truth be told...I studied like a dog literally all the time-and frankly felt more comfortable staying in school rather than joining the “real world.” I managed to get my BS under full academic scholarship but lived at home, and my MD with only $150,000 debt. This was in the 80’s and unheard of today with guys coming out of med school owing $450,000-$650,000 in some cases. Unbelievable. I have had a superb career filled with helping people at their most vulnerable times of life, but have “burned out” three separate times during my career. Thankfully I was able to do a wide range of jobs with my MD-first as a primary care doc, then as a hospital based doc, then reducing clinical responsibilities and directing a hospital based group of docs, now finally giving up formal medical practice entirely and becoming a health care Executive. It’s been an extraordinary ride filled with meeting and working with some of the smartest and most interesting people on the planet. But I gave up a lot-my youth for one thing. When I finally got done with school and residency, I was “old” at 29 and had unimaginable responsibility for peoples’ lives who depended on me to help them. And the rigor of prescribed class work left no time for other interests for me. I gave up studying French, music-I was a violinist-and math, though am now studying all three with private instructors. Probably a reflection of my mid-life crisis(!) This path has been financially satisfying. I have made “lots” of money, and have never had to worry about health insurance, injury, or making ends meet throughout my entire life. But money doesn’t necessarily equal happiness and stress is a killer. Dad told me to become a doctor and that’s what I did. It would have been nice to hear your advice when I was a kid though. I may have chosen another path deriving equal satisfaction without so much self-sacrifice. I do kinda resent never going to parties in college and medical school. And my “burn out” periods were extremely dark and psychologically painful, not to say they wouldn’t have happened to me in other careers as well I suppose. Thank you again for the wonderful video and I hope you continue to reach younger guys with your sound advice to get folks better focused on their paths earlier in life. You are a superb mentor. Steve K.

[@Skibiditoile343forwarduntodawn]

Thanks a ton for this video, I'm 18, just finishing up high school and feeling really confused about my next step, kinda the way u were in the first 9 min of your video but your point of view I found really helpful. Again thank you for taking the time to make this video it really helped me clear some things up.👍👊

[@assassin7250]

What you doing now?

[@freewilly5073]

I can relate to your message. I am currently in college for a mechanical engineering degree because I thought it was a good field, future proof from automation and pays well. Now my junior year in college I regretting my decisions of choosing a college. I am not passionate for my degree or about school which kills a lot of drive for education. I find more fun in looking into the business stuff in my business classes like the finances, what makes a company run, how to drive their income higher. I personally have had a bit of experience working in Amazon's warehouses and I do not enjoy it, but I enjoyed the people I worked with and the fact that I got paid while I was learning. College for me right now is a huge waste of time and potential and a whole lot of debt when I graduate I will be over $100k in debt. If any high school kids are reading this, take a gap year after you graduate and work. Figure out what you like and if you want to invest in higher education. You can read books, take a mentor, trade school, and many other things instead of college to further yourself. If you do plan on going to college look for one that is either cheap or one that helps you find a job or internship. Do not overpay as I did, I knew about colleges that are cheaper and offered internships with the 4-year program, but I chose this school I am at now. One key part is your outlook on money, do you want expensive things or are you ok with cutting cost in areas like your home to drive a nicer car. Living below your means will help greatly if you plan on working right out of high school and investing it will give you a huge head start compared to those who graduate out of college with a $60-80k job.

[@arodefproductions2580]

I want to say thank you. I'm only 15 but I already have anxiety about my future. This video helped me so much in figuring out what I want to do.

[@mr.osamabingaming2633]

I'm 16 and I feel similarly.

[@G00b789]

Can’t believe it! I’m 14, I thought I was the only one.

[@marchveris]

I love the transparency of Carl's contents.

[@mikemarcy6284]

I am graduating in 2021 from High School and this video definitely helped. I am in the same spot you were in and part of my thoughts are similar to your tips and advice. I appreciate the video a lot. Thank you.

[@revivalord9391]

Same brother

[@111Sylvester]

I was both in the trades and am a university graduate. I think the trades are a good place to start. I completed my university while working full time. And to your point, I think I would have trouble working in the trades now that I am an old man. There are many professions that dovetail with certain trades, e.g carpenter/architect, electrician/electrical engineer, etc. Appreciate this video, BTW.

[@jonathanremington7852]

This has answered all the of questions I have had and explain exactly my struggle in figuring out what I want to do

[@AchillesRage501]

im 28 right now almost a blue belt in marital arts, i have my own small business selling apparel for martial arts , started playing guitar, but every time i talk to people they tell me to go to trades school i have done welding, construction, in high school all were boring to me, and your right my dad worked at a burger joint years ago i work at the same burger joint for years now but at a different location i think im ready to move on but in high school they would never encourage me to try hard or push my limits i never had a chance to take stuff like physics in high school they said it would be to hard and the only 2 things i could do in college would be construction or cooking 2 im not interested in any of that

[@joerez5172]

Even if you take college classes that have nothing to do with major, the papers you have to write strengthen communication and writing skills. If you want to do more than grunt work you need to be able to communicate effectively. I have never been to trade school and I don't know the coursework, but college does help in that department.

[@RoyalProtectorate]

I would completely agree

[@samwroblewski748]

Honestly, those are skills you should have leaving high school

[@joerez5172]

@@samwroblewski748 Maybe my high school was different, but I never wrote 13 page reports in APA there. I did at University.

[@walkermorales337]

sam wroblewski the longest paper I ever wrote in highschool was about 10-12 pages with around 12 or so sources, depending on your profession you’ll be expected to write significantly more pages with more sources and how to correctly integrate graphs to the paper as well

[@samwroblewski748]

@@walkermorales337 if you're in a communications field whether it be corporate or not. Sure. But you'll never write that much on one topic. At my company, we handed in a 36 page report to a think tank and the most we ever dedicated to one idea was two pages. I find memos are better skill for most people to learn, as briefs are the preferred report to executives and department leaders

[@XGenBoomer]

Thanks for this. I’m a Union Electrician in NYC. 30+ years and super close to retirement. I’m listening to this after being laid off on Friday which can be a drawback. I play stocks I’m laid off and I’m here listening to you tell my story. I’m subscribed and looking forward to checking out some more of your content. I found this both interesting and intriguing. I haven’t heard any lies! ✊🏿

[@CarlMurawski]

Very cool, local 3? Thanks for the sub my friend!

[@VF1Skullangel]

I did HVAC for a few years and got paid fast food wages. going into trades isn't a life hack. it's a gamble no different than college. The reason why theres a shortage is because its a very inconsistent industry, anytime you can be jobless. Unless it's a union dont bother.

[@ozzysgang7193]

I am currently attending Silicon Valley Career Technical Education and I am learning HVAC and I am a senior in high school I think I’m going to pursue this trade then maybe think of going back to college later

[@joshuasabater5221]

My goal one day is to be a spokesperson for this issue and to bring more awareness to the benefits of going to trade school

[@kevinumba6281]

Rather earn as I learn than spend refund checks on beerpongs and a night out

[@tonyoliver1903]

😂

[@jerrymcdaniels5973]

Carl, You Sir, provide far more insight and real-world experience than many individuals pitching their ideas as solutions. Well done Sir.

[@lenmiller8574]

Good information! It’s interesting to hear this coming from a blue collar - then white collar worker. Your story is also my story pretty much. From working in a factory as a tool & die maker to working in banks, insurance companies & pharmaceutical companies in IT. As for me, I much prefer an office environment.

[@ericp377]

I used to do electrical work full time now I'm a heavy equipment mechanic eventually got my cdl I still do all 3 both trades have served me well

[@polounge]

22, 3rd year in College, never really liked writing essays or talking about a book with other people. I like to focus on the job, get the job done, etc. Now doing computer science , too mathematically intense. Considering trade school..

[@crazyshemshem7897]

Hows it goimg?

[@Qwerty2_6649]

Even if this video is more than a year old, this video has given me a great deal of info that...relieves a whole bunch off of my own nerves. Thanks Carl.

[@terryeffinp]

I think one of the overlooked perks of a tradesman is that because they have knowledge of how things work, tools, and ability to use their hands they often do not pay someone to work on their house appliances or cars. There is something to be said for one knowing where to get the best pricing for materials and the know how to install them. If the white collar guy has to pay 15 grand to have his roof put on, and the blue collar guy buys his shingles at auction for 500 bucks, has 40 pounds of nails sitting in the garage left over from jobs, and puts his roof on over a weekend, the blue collar guy increased his wages by 14,500 dollars that year.

[@justinr2564]

27:00, "halfway through my life" whoa, that just hit deep.

[@waifung3367]

I got a diploma in business after high school, but back then I was terrible at office job and was no good at it, chance of office jobs were so slim to me that I could only find work in warehouse work. but then I found hope in that warehouse I was in, they were looking for apprentice for appliance repair, at first I thought I will hardly fit in, but with years of effort and some good journeymen showing me the way around, I got through and became a licence technician in appliance repair. I love what I do and now I bring home about 80k yearly. (about 5 years since my apprentice days). Trade did work out for me, but at the same time, I also have friends who got their CGA designation in accounting and doing well for themselves. at the end of the days, you have to look very deep into yourself and see if it is right for you. getting into the trade has it's downsides too, it is not just all sunshine and rainbow to be in the trade, there are many moments when your brain is hurting to find where the short for the unit is or trying to clean off really dirty machines. trade jobs are there, but you need to have a strong character, smart brain and good hands to excel in it.

[@e_tron5103]

Trades are awesome! There isn't any field that doesn't have trade schools you could go instead of college.. beauty, construction, medicine, mechanics, computer &tech, cooking, real estate, business fiance, education, animals, bartending, art& Cinema etc. the list goes on there are trades for all fields something for everyone

[@dollysukhdeo3555]

Good morning . Just want to say thank you for putting this out!!!, as for a single parent mother I can see my 18 year old son in a better position on what he want to go towards, thank you 🙏

[@martinvarner]

After just watching the first 2 minutes of your video, I couldn't relate to you more man

[@edwardmpace]

I was very thankful I was exposed to shop, agriculture, JROTC, and college in high school. And it is disappointing to see HS to push college only in some locations. And Mike Rowe from Dirty Jobs showing people who are enjoying the jobs. Great video sir!

[@walkermorales337]

Edward Pace in Idaho we have an organization thing called “Buck the Quo” that advertises trades, on a statewide level, and the local school district has a lot of shops available ranging from construction to dentistry

[@MrTonybonez]

I also started with electrical apprentice work in CT. I didn't follow through and get my license, but I did end up in another trade. And I managed to buy my house through private sale during the pandemic because I met homeowners doing side work. So even if it isn't your main source of income, having a skill opens so many doors.

[@clowndriver5576]

I really liked the cons about blue collar jobs. You are being realistic asf and not selling a fake dream. BC job is what it is. They are heavy, dirty, muscle demanding, and sweaty. But that's a good way to get the foot on the door and financial independence.

[@MajorZoner]

Wow your experience of school and all has struck a similarity with my experiences. Thankyou for the insight.

[@justinkael3255]

I worked at a retail plant nursery in high school. As I started to get into that trade (gardening/landscaping) I realized that getting a college degree was going to help me increase my wage especially in that field. I ended up doing 3 years in community college while working and another 3 years in at a State University (a school that I won’t have gotten into with my high school grades, but could transfer into as junior). I got a good union gardening job for a municipality and with a relevant college degree have been able to advance into supervision and eventually management. I have found that having a blue/green collar job gives me a valuable perspective that white collar workers don’t have. Along with the confidence that blue collar workers have because they know that they are capable of accomplishing physical tasks.

[@ColinRH]

I was very interested through my sophomore year in high school to take this college site management program, about a year later everyday I realize more and more how much worth it trade school would be over the college program. I kinda struggle in school so there’s I chance I wouldn’t even graduate the college route

[@lordspongebobofhousesquare1616]

I think the problem with college in the US is how it is marketed and sold. It's very expensive and is promoted as a necessity. I'm currently in my first year studying mathematics. The tuition is $700 per semester (that's on the high end here). Granted I live in a developing country so prices tends to be cheaper, but for illustrative purposes I have an online shop and can pretty easily pay for the tuition myself (some of my friends do this or work part time to pay theirs as well). Other than that, maybe the programs in the US isn't tailored to prepare students to work. Here the first two years are for learning, but the third is pretty free. We have the option to study different subjects, work as an intern at a partner public or private company (paid as well), etc. So essentially we have more freedom in deciding whether we want to study the subject more deeply and go to academia or prepare for work in the industry. I think it's because my country lacks the people for some white collar jobs, so college is made to prepare you for actual jobs.

[@sasukedroiid1538]

Watched the video without stoping it! Great video bro, very helpful. Now I now what I wanna do after I graduate from HS

[@michaelbegin2945]

This was brilliant! More young people need to see this

[@w0y4k15]

If you have a desk job, all it takes is a program to automate what you do on that computer. If you're working with your hands and doing physical labor, they'll have to build a robot(s) with as much physical flexibility as you, which will probably take much longer to be cost effective. Robotics will have to develop a bit more. So blue collar work is actually HARDER to automate simply because it's so hands-on. Robots are usually built for one specific task. Tradesmen have several tasks per job usually.

[@anamerican2251]

Thank you for this video . I’m graduating class of ‘21 and as a 16 year old I’ve been having trouble deciding what to do with education . I appreciate the help very very much and I’ll try to use it to make the best decision come June .

[@jennaarguin]

I go to a trade vocational high school and i am going to going to collage

[@joshuasabater5221]

Yoooo I appreciate you speaking on this topic I was in trade school for Plumbing while I was in high school. I was able to get certified as an apprentice plumber and then after high school I applied for community college. So now I am working as an apprentice plumber(one more year and I’ll be a journeyman) while going to school

[@Fflovver]

I love videos like this! I was always involved in trade but yet so many people always pushed for that college degree. There are several opportunities out there for you that are not limited to just trade and college. Live your dream the smartest most efficient way possible. Love the vids Carl hope to see more insight on topics like this in the fufure👍

[@dicomohio4743]

I knew that college was not an option fresh out of high school so i enlisted but the Marine corps did not take me because of health concerns. I eventually got a job driving taxi and one of my riders suggested i get my CDL. I looked into it and got my class c at 19 my b at 22 and my a at 30.. no matter where i go in the us i can work. I own a home i have good credit and small manageable debt. My friends that went off to college are still in school 22 years later and piling up debt

[@fortis619]

Pretty much what I went through, right after high school I was on my way to the military but plans change and now I’ve been a trucker for 8 years, living in California pay isn’t that great for CDL drivers unless you own your own truck, at this point I’m back in night college , trucking was just not a passion I see myself doing in the long term

[@ColtKiller818]

I just want to point out that the point of the core curriculum - the classes that don't directly help you with your career - is to round you out so that you're able to speak to people who work in those fields with a basic competence that allows you to understand the core concept of what they're doing, and how you can help them in your work. And, for courses like history, philosophy, and literature, the idea is to make you a better citizen and give you more material to draw on in your thinking as you live your life. It doesn't feel like it matters while you learn about it, especially if you're not interested, but when you find the opportunities to draw on that knowledge later in life you tend to look back on it as a worthwhile commitment.

[@Jay-kc2ho]

I’m about to graduate high school, and I’ve been so lost in what I want to do. This video was really needed, thank you!

[@BadAssGermanGaming]

Keep in mind too if you choose a trade and focus on residential work. A decent amount of people will not let you use their bathroom even when you are in the middle of a city leading to you having to bring your own "facilities" to use in the back of the van or truck. Also some customers you can definitely tell they look upon you as a second class citizen for working with your hands, but if you have a good attitude you can enjoy knowing that no matter how much they don't like you or think you're just a dirty tradesman, they will always need you. And the customers who are engineers are the worst. Best lines from them "I am an electrical engineer, I could install this furnace and heat pump myself but I just don't have the time" all while trying to "help" us while we are working.

[@natehoffman3493]

I thought it was a great video! I’ve often wished I would have learned a trade first, centered my brain closer to what I ACTUALLY wanted to do and then go get that 4 year degree. Instead of leaping blindly and missing the job market. Great information!

[@LegoSwordViedos]

I started doing physical jobs then got hurt and am now in constant pain, so I can't really do the trades, and I can't afford college so I'm just screwed.

[@CC-ed7jr]

I'm sorry to hear about your injury, Idk what type of injury you have but there are less physical trade/vocational jobs like: crane operator, lots of different IT trade jobs, CNC, chef, dental hygienist, video editor and so on.

[@jessetoons5446]

I hear there are less Physical trades like dental hygienists, so maybe consider doing something like that

[@hogansmith7075]

great video. im 22 now and doing pretty good with trade but i wish i saw this when i was 17 agree with pretty much everything

[@ryanreygers5994]

I agree with 95% of what you said, but there are many trade programs that do not require working outside or offsite. I know you are speaking from your experience and I respect that, but some may misinterpret that part of the video. $30,000 + for a diploma or certificate seems super high to me. Most AAT programs in Washington State only cost $10,000.... Great video! Thank you for taking the time to make it!

[@Dreadlock1227]

I went to college and I was never really that interested or engaged the entire 4 years. I played baseball, so it was basically free which was the only reason I stuck with it, I figured since it’s not costing me anything I might as well. I got a degree in biology which I’ve never once used in my life. I have no idea where it even is lol. Immediately after I graduated, I fucked off to South America for 6 months, came back and started working for my buddy’s dad as a carpenter. Never looked back. Now I’m 27, I’m about 6 years in and I bartend part time too. I’ve made myself into a valuable enough employee that my company is willing to be very flexible. If there’s weeks I only want to work part time, they’re happy to accommodate, they’re good about giving me time off to travel pretty much whenever I want, and I’m never stressed. I think I’m in a much happier place than I would be in if I had pursued a career in biology after college.

[@tunasub7727]

I'm 17 and going into my senior year and everyone in my family has always said college is a must my whole life and I'm just now realizing trade school might be for me. I just can't see myself not doing a more hands on job.

[@PsychAxE]

Go for it buddy

[@ThatGearCollector2002]

@vincentallen Go for it Man, everybody is different. I have 4 siblings (including me) in the Family. 2 sisters and one brother, I’m the youngest in the family. I’m 18 and a high school senior. All of my siblings went to college and are in the Medical Field (which is understandable). I’m the only one that’s going the Military/Law Enforcement route, though I’m still deciding between community college or trade school or both.

[@patboland1650]

Its absolutely depends on the person. If you have the smarts to go to college then its advisable but you need to have a plan and not just float through it and you need to treat it as a commercial decision. Earning on day on is great from 18years old etc ...if you use the money properly that is. Alota guys I know just blew it by being an 18 year old with money and or even worse because they could borrow they got in stupid debt on cars and blew it that way. The other thing is that the earning for trades tends higher than average in the beginning and less towards the end of the career with college grads its normally the opposite........however if you use your trade to start a business the sky is the limit......but are you the kinda person who can run a company

[@robertweeks7993]

i went through the IBEW apprenticeship and we all had a grant that paid for the first 2 years and gave us a voucher for all the tools we needed. name brand stuff too not the cheap stuff. so trade school for me was a very small fraction of the cost of a university. I can go anywhere in the country and get a job.

[@coryshook7648]

Soooo many young kids/men need to hear this! Where were you in 1985? Kidding.

[@MsJosh917]

If college was more affordable. You could get an electrical engineering degree and go to trade school. Learn the subject formally and informally. Gives you an edge.

[@andrewstivason4530]

Might do this

[@kosmocomet1126]

EE is more like applied physics then electrician work. Yes, overlaps will occur. However, they're largely different subsets. DONT waste your money.

[@N7_CommanderShepard]

Majoring in Electrical engineering and becoming a certified electrical engineer is completely different from going to trade school to be an electrician lol. There’s little to no overlap there.

[@chicagoan6342]

You could get a degree in Electrical Engineering in the US for less money, a number of state colleges are very good and you could look for internships. I would add some CSE courses to the EE degree though.

[@cg9852]

You don't need to go to trade school if you already have electrical engineering degree. You just need to work in electrical field for two years. And then you can apply for a electrical Technician test to get certified as electrician.

[@elizabethacosta-rayos6061]

I also went to college and training that would be considered trade school. Nowadays, there are many options. There are colleges that specifically gear towards a vocation. It is not one or the other.

[@brandonchavez1197]

Yo bro I graduated last week and this video has helped me decide. I will do HVAC Apprenticeship.

[@kyle.sterritt]

Im the only mason in my family, I'm going to a trade school rn and this video was mad helpful

[@Razzmatazz99]

What’s a mason?

[@kyle.sterritt]

@@Razzmatazz99 a person who does masonry

[@Razzmatazz99]

@@kyle.sterritt damn bro you had man thinking you were a free mason 😂 😂. I wish you good health

[@saludhealth4989]

@@Razzmatazz99 hahahaha I thought the same.

[@hopscotch5874]

I graduated high school, went to college for 1 1/2 years, fucking hated college and now I go to trade school and I’m loving every day of it!!

[@carlinlentz6849]

Geology is a university (college) degree that is like a trade but requires a lot more brains than an average trade. Not saying people in trades are dumb, but challenging your brain daily is the secret to success. In geology you get to work outside (for the most part) and there is a blue collar feel to it, especially in mineral exploration or mining. It's a 4 year degree where you can actually get a job in it.

[@walkermorales337]

In Idaho we have an organization thing called “Buck the Quo” which heavily advertises trade schools and goes to events like fairs and my local high school offers some sort of certification for things like HVAC, dentistry, mechanic stuff, and construction stuff as well like plumbing

[@joeyweinstock2272]

I was way more towards working with my hands and learning a skill and didn’t want to go to college and i decided to join the Marines after high school and going to a trade school afterwards fully paid for

[@Thebigjosh233]

Very well put together video this helped me alot.

[@Ryanrobi]

Another thing they don't take into account is if you're getting your 4-year bachelor's degree you also missed out a four years of actually making money and those years of experience if you're working in a career that you want to work in that can easily be $200,000 in 4 years

[@mikethemechanic7395]

Dropped out of college at 25. I was half way though a Hydrology degree when I realized I wanted to be a Diesel mechanic. Make over 100k year. Been doing it for 20 years. Our field has a huge shortage of mechanics. Most mechanics are my age mid 40s. We have a bunch of early to mid 20s starting out at 23 HR. 10 years ago when the demand was low it would have been 15hr. Kids these days don’t want to do manual skilled labor. Their parents want them to go to college and not work a job in HS. You will always have a job as a mechanic. It’s recession proof. Sure it’s hard at first. But after 10 plus years you make top pay and have a lot of respect.

[@alecmatteson692]

At 15:00 you described my exact schedule lol. Municipal laborer.

[@MatChronicles]

I’m a college student, never been a great student always very average. I’ve always preferred working with my hands. After 2 years at school I’ve lost all motivation to graduate, don’t wanna chase a meaningless liberal arts degree.

[@thenotoriousjoey9956]

Shlok Sachdeva I’ve never been an a student all 4 years of math in high school I would pass with a D and English c or d science b c

[@itslife9855]

I grew up doing mostly doing construction. I left home with and 8th grade education and tried to get into the Marine corp and geting my diploma. Got rejected and had to figure whats next. Ended up getting a manual labor job full time. Best decision I've made so far.

[@superstarr-hs4tn]

My son will graduate this spring from a trade school ( Connecticut) . It really seems like it was a great choice to go to a tech school high school. He works in his trade 2 weeks a month and goes to school 2 weeks a month.