Carnage - We Pull The Engine from Turbo Taxi to Find Out What Went Wrong!

Turbo Taxi's engine had been in a bad way for a little while now, so we decided to finally pull the engine out to see what went wrong.
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[@neilbeni7744]

Wakes up makes coffee whacks on KZbin and this comes on 🤣

[@ashfrye8312]

So true 😂

[@robcreighton7705]

how good

[@gabechiplin8140]

Happy days eh🤓

[@metalmoto4803]

Sounds familiar lol

[@Brock_Landers]

Scotty, I remember that this car is how I found your channel when you FIRST started building it, and I'm proud to have been around since then to see all of your epic builds. Y'all Down Under get alot of cars that we can only dream about here in the States. Turbo Taxi has always been a great interest for me because there are only a handful of Barras here in the US.

[@DodgyBrothersEngineering]

Really? We have some crappy tin can Mustangs we can send you lol.

[@CA18Drifter]

That moment of silence when the bolt falls, dont we all know that feeling to well.

[@tchpandy]

I swore my head off at that exact moment just watching.

[@steveveness3829]

G'day from West Australia, Scotty😉 Gotta say LPG systems have come a long way from the year I decided to make a twin mixer plenum for my 1986 model ZL Fairlane, 4.1 Litre. 800cfm of gas Reasearch mixers a omvl converter a 70 litre tank in the boot and a 10mm gas line running to the converter. And it was bloody quick pushing a 2.77: 1 ratio rear end. LMAO I thought I spent some money. It was a deposit on the system you are running.🙂👍👍

[@lajoskozak5122]

Good sir! Great breakdown and troubleshooting. How you remain so calm and chirpy is beyond me. Absolute legend. Bless you for having the stamina and determination with this LPG venture.

[@Beer_Dad1975]

All that milky oil! It's like the end of Aliens when the Queen rips Bishop apart!

[@plumbs7199]

Ring gap !! Didn’t get away with this one ! Lpg must create a lot more heat ?

[@ktmr8]

Absolutely!… would still be alive today running 10’s if the bottom end had just been pulled down and ring gap added 🤷‍♂️

[@DodgyBrothersEngineering]

Yes it does create more ring heat, because LPG is a dry fuel and doesn't have the ability to cool the rings like a wet fuel (petrol) extra ring gap would have more than likely saved this engine. Looking at the piston Scotty pulled up there is no signs of lean out damage, this looks more like the rings nipped up and tore the ring lands out.

[@tony66au]

Noice work Scotty, Never played with LPG as a performance option but used it on plenty of daily drivers and light trucks back in the day. The issues? Many.... and for a tightarse fuel it sure was expensive to maintain and repair lol. BTW I could smell the LPG farts just watching........ Vile stuff :-)

[@craigritchie1933]

Scotty , if you had of run a Liquid injected LPG system from the get go you would have likely already achieved your goals. I have a VY LS1manual SV8 that has a OTR , Mafless tune and a LTG Liquid gas kit on it, otherwise the car is completely stock even the exhaust system , after doing a 98 octane petrol tune with EFI Live it made 237 rwkw's , swapping over to LPG and re tunning it for best results on LPG the power jumped to 262rwks. You'd need a cam change for that much power on 98. I'm currently building a HT with a L98 and LSA blower running on twin LTG liquid kits hopping for 650+ hp.

[@STREETMACHINETV]

I'd be keen to see how you go with that

[@Low760]

Tunnel vision has run the fastest LPG cars in the country, I'm pretty sure he knows what he's doing. 264rwkw on 8cyl vs 490?rwkw on a 6 cylinder turbo is not comparable either.

[@craigritchie1933]

Very true , you may have missed the point I was trying to make , the VY isnt a race car, the point I was trying to make is that "Liquid " injection make more power than 98 octane perrol and the kit Scotty used is a Vapour injection kit that makes less power that 98 octane petrol so had he chosen a Liquid kit he'd probably gone quicker. The Liquid option would have needed two fuel pumps in the specialized lpg tank but they don't need a second ecu to run nor a vapourizer in the engine bay so the cost of a streight gas conversion becomes more comparable to vapour kit conversion . The point to my VY is that I have a reliable dayley driver ( for 12 years now) that has more power than stock LS1 and is as cheap to run as a 4 cylinder , when it was first put on the dyno completely stock it made 197 rwkw's, now i get 262rwkw's and a car that has no trouble returning 11.5 lph on the freeway and pulls the tandom trailer with a Commodore race car on it at 110 kph and returns 15.5 lph. lpg is currently 91.9 cents where i live and 98 is about $2:35 cents a little , do the math, its cheap as to run , try pulling a race car that with a twin cab diesel and see how it compares , the VY eats them for breakfast on the hills and never drops under 110kpk and only cost 1/2 as much for fuel ....just sayin

[@ZedTee77]

@@craigritchie1933 about 8 or 9 years ago I tried to get someone to do a liquid injection lpg setup on my ba XR8 ute and no one wanted to do it. I’ve done 400,000 kms in that time all on 98 unleaded, the thousands I’d be ahead now! Hearing about ur ls1 on gas makes me wish I coulda got it done back then

[@craigritchie1933]

I'd read about "Liquid " lpg in a performance magazine about 1995 and it then took another 17 years for an ADR approved kit to become available for my car , they were/are expensive and you had to push hard to get one but i had to have one. My cars now done 300,000k People are now saying that LPG isn't worth having because its become too expensive at around $1:00 a litre however the savings are bigger now than they ever were. Most people don't realize they can still retain a simular amount of power and to what they currently have on petrol with big savings 🤔

[@gmh2533]

Great work Scotty. I miss the when lpg was 20cents a litre. I think street machine did an article on a 202 blue motor years ago that was on the dyno. I could be wrong but I thought it ended up with a gas research mixer on a vk efi manifold. It would be nice to see this thing go a 10, A last hurrah for lpg. Thanks street machine.

[@CRFLAus]

Turbo Taxi is where I started watching. So happy to see it getting some love! As for the Government and their brains or lack of, they are going to see people charging their electric cars with diesel generators unless some sense prevails. Let's go 10's Turbo Taxi!!!

[@brown_bear]

When you dropped that bolt I laughed. We all know the frustration when it happens. 😀

[@jrbuch]

I can top your 577,000k's - I bought an ex AU Taxi from Thomastown, that had over 750,000k's and was still going strong. Built Ford tough! Love the enthusiasm Scotty!

[@STREETMACHINETV]

Oh, we could have definitely found one with more kays

[@jrbuch]

@@STREETMACHINETV They're a pretty good buy too if you just want to toodle around and not go fast. Our AU had dual fuel and worked great on long roadtrips.

[@smithy2]

Your milkshake dance 🤣🤣🤣👍

[@dcrichardson205]

Down to the nuts and bolts of it, lucky we don't have smell-O-vision. Keep up the good work!!!!😅😋😎

[@ethanburgess8355]

damn scotty, got the motor out in under 10 minutes 🤣🤣🤣

[@John-ok6sq]

YAY for a turbo taxi episode!

[@horsham2966]

On ya’ Scotty 👍👍. I must admit to thinking more than once I should throw the tool box in the back of the ute and come down to give you hand.

[@wingoson]

Speaking of shifters Scotty, that's all I use to do brake line's, never rounded one since. Must be good quality and you wiggle it while tightening the shifter to the movement is gone and tap with the palm to jar it loose.

[@davidmackieson4609]

Watching you empty the sump was like watching someone pour a bottle of Sheridan's liquor in a bucket lol

[@vincekara9446]

Awesome vid. Good to see the breakdown of the diagnosis. Looking forward to the next step. Cheers!

[@davidbarnsley8486]

When I took the engine out of my bmw we had the same issue starter motor out first then undo the flex bolts But we had to pull the whole exhaust off to get to the starter motor and getting the dpf off was an absolute nightmare Good work Scottie and you did t get any oil on the good old kt 26 runners 😂😂👍👍👍

[@Brandonvscars695]

Who decided to use sour cream as oil 😂 Must be a performance hack I wasn’t aware of

[@scottwatson6417]

Great video Scotty. As from the first vids of turbo taxi. Loved the journey. Keep it up mate You didn’t name it Carnage for nothing. Poor stock pistons 🤣

[@Brock_Landers]

Btw, we did get a Ford 4.0L six cylinder here in the States, but it was a V6 and the first generation was overhead valve and the second generation was SOHC and was never offered with a turbo. I had a 1994 Ford Explorer Eddie Bauer edition and it had the 4.0L OHV Cologne V6 (160 HP 225 lb ft) with a A4LD pile of shat auto trans and the 97-01 Explorer had the 4.0L SOHC and it made 210 HP. I pulled my 4.0L out of my 94 and swapped in a 302W with an Explorer Express Eaton M90 supercharger. That truck was jacked up with a 6" Skyjacker kit with 33x12.50s on it and it made 402 whp at 15 psi. It was 2WD because I lived in Florida and it's all flat, but it was alot of fun and it wasn't slow. I moved to Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania back in 2000 and I bought a 1995 Ford Ranger Super with the same 4.0L OHV and I put my supercharger kit on it with a different intake manifold. It was also 2WD and it would lay an 11 for 50 feet before it caught traction. I have always loved to modify my vehicles and I've owned 68 of them to date.

[@GoneFalconcampin]

I nearly pissed my pants laughing when you dropped that bolt. Trying to stay so composed on camera..

[@AlienLivesMatter]

31:02 carnage by name, carnage by nature. Thanks for delivering the lpg experiments. Learnings: twin tanks, with 3x purple injectors per intake runner and start with a Mercedes straight 6. Lol

[@freakysteve140281]

You need to save your back a bit big fella and look at getting an engine stand with a gearbox on it to rotate the blocks on before you blow a disk in your spine.

[@davidbeer]

Good episode Scotty probably gonna have nightmares about that milkshake song though😀

[@elonmask50]

Bloody happy to see the Taxi back again.

[@OPyamumsyadad]

“It’s not ‘sposed to look like this” Reminds me of what my mum said the day I was born 😹😹😹

[@kennethsmith3260]

hahahaha, it's not supposed to look like this 😂. just rub some blinker fluid on it, it'll be right... great video. 👍 👌

[@rodm5968]

Nice Scotty. one for the experts on LPG. Do you run a extra pulsation dampener on the 2nd bank or do the injectors not create or need such help.Like similar issue like on staged injectors on petrol car ?

[@manuelstarr3602]

Scotty, what's the real problem? Is it a design fault or what? If something is designed good, balanced and maintained properly you should be able to bounce the valves without any of these sort of worries. Cheers mate

[@jamesbaylis9438]

Ahhh. the Genesis of Carnage was all thanks to this, how we have missed you. It may not get the love like the other cars, but its always proven its worth. Can't wait to see her go 10's, but we know that's only the start. 😜😜 BTW, have you considered that when you go to e85, to only change 6 of the injectors? Let it run on LPG for Street Duties, then flick over to the other injectors with a smaller Fuel tank for E85, for going FAST!! 🤔🤔

[@STREETMACHINETV]

Tempting but complicated

[@jamesbaylis9438]

@@STREETMACHINETV and trying to go 10's with LPG wasn't complicated enough 🥰🥰

[@Kneedragon1962]

Finally!! I have been waiting so long for this to start happening again....

[@Tuilaione]

Dont ever do that Milkshake dance again 🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️... Its poisoned my sight for life... Hahahahahahahahaha

[@frankhauptle2744]

It's a shame you don't have the JTG liquid gas injection instead of the vapour unit. Having the gas change from liquid to gas in the intake runner adds a big cold boost.

[@renogkus4478]

Turbo taxi back in the spotlight been awhile. It’s going to be awesome to watch when it’s on e85 😎

[@captainjamiegaming2539]

Scotty, to maybe make life easier at the bottom of the btr bell housing there is a little hole to stick a pry bar in to rotate the flex plate to move the torque converter bolts into place and undo them :)

[@vinniep2707]

Doesn’t have it cause I’m pretty sure it’s got aftermarket stronger bell housing

[@aussiefirestorm]

Much luv for the shifter cream...

[@kippen64]

Also have a Melbourne ex-taxi. 670,000km. I drove over 150,000 of those km. Still has the engine it came with. It's been the suspension that has needed money. Am so keen to see what happens with Turbo Taxi.

[@bobroberts2371]

0:35 With all the smoke I was expecting some Disco moves. . .

[@johnkirkilis34]

Luv that turbo taxi Scotty. More boost please to make that green top push 10. Keep up the good work.

[@steventhomas5865]

Steve Morris had a piston do the same thing last week so you are in good company.

[@STREETMACHINETV]

Yep, unfortunately it happens to the best of us

[@wayneholzer4694]

I have to agree with the complexities of running LPG on NA let alone adding boost many years ago I toyed with the idea of an AU Intech on Gas worked out too much money and not exactly feasible such as using liquid LPG Injection much more reliable but expensive. And sadly when Fords wear its usually the pistons on the back on the engine I remember 250 logs and x flows right through to E series Intech and Barra but in these cases mainly just wear and tear over years but you were right.

[@terrytsagatzones3132]

Morning Scotty Best way too start the Morning with the Turbo Taxi love your work Mate,

[@justinxabregas1611]

Looks like some got a bit happy with the baby juice on the bottom of that Barra lol.

[@brockmacckie9905]

Yay another barra build and welcome back turbo taxi awsome work Scotty how many barra parts u got atm got 3 Barra powered cars at home

[@honestpat7789]

That’s a pretty good effort, ripping that engine out, basically by yourself. Could tell you weren’t having the best of days as well. Kinda gave it away when you said “FML” But, I guess, say that every time I touch my car 😂

[@Devastator0]

Good video as always Scotty! I can't wait for you guys to move out the LPG and go the E85 engine (Going all out with a proper red top?). Keep up the good work mate, continue to love all of the content you make, even though it may cause you some pain, still good shit!

[@JAME-SON]

Gotta love the fg falcon

[@blakamin]

Scottys big bar... Scottys Shifter.... and then Scottys Milkshake..... LMFAO! This one had everything! Also, LPG milky oil is a lot cleaner than normal milky oil.

[@Doc_in_the_carpet_truck]

Bloody hell Scotty I thought I was mad spending $2.5k on a straight gas research system for the fluffy in the HZ 20 odd years ago!! Best thing about it was no one could steal it cause they couldn't find the cold start primer🍻🤣👍 Top Vid Scotty!!!

[@darrenpowell8229]

Love Turbo taxi but im over the whole LPG thing. Reality is if a few injectors give up on a run that built motor could go too. Why risk the new motor and denting the budget any further. Switch it out to E85 and aim for 9’s because 10’s are a given for E85 and this setup.

[@darreneccles8813]

Thinking the same thing mate

[@matgee8892]

I do get where you're coming from but at the same time running 10's on LPG is the whole point of the project. It was never supposed to be an easy goal and it would be a shame to give up after all this time.

[@andrewtaylor9615]

I'd love that gas setup on my 1991 Maverick. Don't throw it away!

[@alanpeirce7292]

Just chuck it on e85 and be done with it. Just causing you cost and pain at this point and I think most of us don’t really value the desire to run 10s on gas. I could be wrong though. Ride has served its purpose and certainly was one of the first videos I watched.

[@falconpowerful2362]

Nah, then it’d just be the same as anything else. It’s great to see something a bit different, and challenging. The problems and problem solving make it heaps more interesting than the usual Barra or LS builds that are a dime-a-dozen. This and supermang are the 2 builds I’m most interested in.

[@LockieNZ]

Surely you'd be able to pull the engine and tear it down while bindfolded by now, Scotty!

[@victormendoza871]

Man untill he pulled that piston I was thinking... could you imagine he pulled that whole thing apart and all it needed was a oil flush and change

[@MrWilliam.Stewart]

Old Frank the Falcon pumping out 1 Watt of power for every kilometer travelled.

[@darreneccles8813]

I’ve been here since maybe the 2nd Or 3rd taxi episode

[@LRogan520]

Little bit Brocken fark- Ed - could have been worse, did pretty well considering the Lpg etc .. looking forward to seeing the Frank special.

[@g6et_wrx177]

Majority of FG taxis were 4speed BTR’s however there were also a few few silver tops G6E’s with the ZF 6 speeds. Definitely not common however they were around.

[@STREETMACHINETV]

Usually privately converted

[@HazeyAuto]

Back in my day, the racers with LPG fuelled cars would get straight propane from places like BOC and cylinder filling places as the “filler” ingredients like butane found in Autogas was (at that time anyway) rubbish and only good for econo-boxes. Might be worth checking out.

[@STREETMACHINETV]

But you have to tune for it and run it all the time

[@HazeyAuto]

@@STREETMACHINETV switch on the dash to change tunes on the Haltech and a smaller propane cylinder in the boot? Where there’s a will…

[@crumb0000]

ffs guys these internet ' see how much power they can handle' always f_ck up not because they didnt have forged pistons and fancy ass rods, its because they didn't gap the piston rings to suit greater expansion due to greater heat caused by boost. If you're doing this at home, ffs just gap the rings on a stocker , file open the gaps so theyre larger, put it all back together, turn up the wick and enjoy. What happens is the piston ring ends butt together due to not enough gap, and they bite into the bore, but because the piston is travelling so fast, it just breaks in the ring landing and takes chunks off from the sides. To be fair to what the guy is saying, E85 would have survived at this power level because it runs a lot cooler than LPG, the pistons are cooler thus there's less expansion of rings, but where the limit is exactly on a stock, ungapped engine running e85...700 hp, 800 hp? in that sense, and as Scotty says, its a 12000 dollar experiment, sort of a useless experiment as 99 percent of people wont pay 12000 to replicate, but educational nevertheless.

[@STREETMACHINETV]

I agree that ring gaps would help at this power level

[@Jake_Hamlin]

@@STREETMACHINETV ring gap and correct timing/fueling is usually reliable on stock pistons. Rods should bend first

[@plumbs7199]

All of the major plumbing work has stopped in my town ! People will have to have cold showers and blocked toilets, while I watch my favourite Barra !

[@Ceyx1265]

you didnt mention crashing it lol

[@scootbmx01]

no doubt you've worked out why it broke but its evident it got hot, butted the rings and broke the ring lands doing so.

[@quincyoconnor9707]

Diesels have a ceramic coating on the piston crown to aid the effort of not melting holes in pistons. Should try it

[@mayflowerlash11]

At 11:50. Bolts drops out of the socket ... saw that coming. LOL

[@vskaz5636]

Taxi is bacccck!!!

[@steverepko5499]

awesome, the taxi is back🤙🤙

[@pushrodtv6623]

Scotty put a good dab of grease in the Socket it'll hold the bolt makes life a little bit easier ( lubes your friend I used to say to the Apprentices I had working with me) 👍🍻🇦🇺

[@STREETMACHINETV]

True enough, but messy

[@GsJsG]

Taxis back yeah 👍

[@anthonycavalliotis8736]

Did you have steel inserts in cylinder head with the exhaust valves? Lpg gets hotter than petrol.

[@michaelb5330]

Good episode

[@Scott-The-Great]

YEAH, 13BOOST!🐴🐴

[@hepburn118]

Bit of a Crocodile Dundee reference there when the engine came out of the car?

[@STREETMACHINETV]

Well spotted

[@williamhardes8081]

i think before i went for a full build motor, $$$$ i would have been keen to pull it down rebuild it back together as the stock bottom end but hypereutectic pistons, full dynamic balance and do all the little bits. mod oil feed holes to the mains by filing or drilling the oil feed holes into the main oil so i feeds directly onto the bearing not just half a holes worth of oil, i think that makes sense?? the tiny bits that cost nothing, mostly. match every mating hole everywhere, every hole that joins two surfaces. plus any of the mods you have already done. really test the limits what still a basically stock Barra.

[@STREETMACHINETV]

Hyperutetic pistons aren't much stronger than cast. For the dollars might as well go forged

[@williamhardes8081]

@@STREETMACHINETV just thinking the hypereutectics expand and shrink less so can run a tighter piston clearance so less stress on ring lands? they can help piston longevity without as many $$$? just thinking you might give the existing engine another life. maybe keep as a dyno mule to test theories before put in place with the dearer engines? i just don't wanna see another barra in the bin. LOL.

[@davemilligan9709]

When you releasing the extended milkshake video Scotty?

[@BigMkombe]

Great job man👍

[@Andy-pb4jg]

Is it purely the heat in which lgp burns at that creates too much heat for the pistons. Is it the inconsistent burn of lpg that's the problem? For bbq on a open flame it burns pretty good but shoving it into a cylinder n squashing it causes issues.

[@mun33y]

Best channel ever 🥇

[@lancecooper4646]

22:22... yep gimme an intech any day. ...too easy

[@ndh641]

You gurus considerd exploring the potential of the AJ16? Snobby pommy jag motor that just preceded the barra. The heads can be can be bolted to the v12 block. One has to be revered machined for the timing chains. But hey, we are talking 48 valves and 8 litres. Your expertise and know how could make it a reality. I know you guys are up for a challenge, right? Give it a crack. The euro market will pay the bills via YT.

[@JohnWood302]

I won a free LPG carburetor system in 2000 to fit to my 302(W) - gas was 19cpl!!!(Petrol 80cpl)!! So for the next couple of years had a ball running around for next to nothing! Today the system is still running faultlessly and LPG is $1.30 petrol is $2.35!!!! My work car was converted to LPG and government paid us to do it!! Still running and on a busy work week (pulling trailer) $40 for the week in fuel!! The good old days of LPG are over if you wish to convert or build a system. I would find a dedicated G6 with LPI or Holdens equivalent!

[@MrGab250]

What about running an old school mixer like an Impco 425 or Gas research? Might have to twin them up but will certainly flow enough LPG

[@STREETMACHINETV]

Backfires

[@jessemorrow3512]

Can you add NOS so you can monitor the cylinder temperatures and keep you from frying pistons

[@STREETMACHINETV]

Might be dangerous to the manifold...

[@cw3dscan]

Why not run 6 Exhaust Gas Temperature (EGT) sensors and tune around melting engines? The ECU is more than capable... Then you could turn down the power when the cylinder temps get out of control.

[@STREETMACHINETV]

Sure we can do that but I suspect it would trip every run and we'd never get tgat 10

[@gardenwaster]

good luck undoing the torque converter bolts if the engine locks up

[@Russeljfinch]

I’m surprised the second set of injector runners are different lengths 🤔

[@STREETMACHINETV]

They're pretty close

[@Xxjoker21xX]

Half of the Grill is Blocked start by removing that grill opening all the Holes or replace it with a custom one so the car can breath! 600HP requires cooling and why you keep blowing engines!

[@STREETMACHINETV]

The car doesn't get hot

[@batmanlives6456]

Hi Scotty Great video Found the smoking gun 🔫 Did you find what made the milkshake? Split bore ? It had to come from somewhere!

[@STREETMACHINETV]

It comes from combustion gases and partially unburnt fuel escaping past the rings into the sump, contaminating the oil

[@backyard_mechanic]

Maybe next time you can try dropping the engine and trans together out the bottom? Not that much more to undo and makes it a lot easier.

[@STREETMACHINETV]

Sounds like a pain in the butt

[@backyard_mechanic]

@@STREETMACHINETV it sounds like it but it really isn't that bad, I've done it many times and it is my preferred way. In my opinion it is alot easier than you think and doesn't add any more time.

[@jenibond]

OMG! hold my beer !!!

[@mayflowerlash11]

I presume the lovely grey coloured oil draining out of the sump is not a healthy colour. It is grey because green coolant got into it or because the engine ran on LPG? Or because the rings gave out and the burnt gas blow by colours oil grey?

[@STREETMACHINETV]

The last one

[@mangomcpoo475]

If Turbo Taxi isn't LPG I'm not interested!!!

[@alexfehlberg1065]

No shortabe of ads in that video. I just made you rich by watching this.

[@STREETMACHINETV]

Thank you

[@PaddyBoy644]

00:40 Turbo Taxi has covid 😂

[@glennman5619]

Can't wait