Carnival Quadrant Review : Carnival 8894G

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4 жыл бұрын

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Carnival Quadrant 8894G:
On Aliexpress: s.click.aliexpress.com/e/bkuP44da
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So today we are finally taking a look at the Carnival Quadrant. Which came in third place in that vote a few months ago as for which watch you wanted to see first. Yet even with that, I've constantly been asked to review it as soon as I could.
Partially because there isn't much else out there like it on Aliexpress. Has a very interesting retro look with a cool domed crystal and a quadrant dial. All powered by a Miyota 8205.
Reference number 8894G

Пікірлер: 115
@JusttheWatch
@JusttheWatch 4 жыл бұрын
Definitely one of the better looking Chinese watches I've seen on Aliexpress. That orange seconds habd really pops.
@shawn22stl
@shawn22stl 4 жыл бұрын
I’m liking these domed crystal watches. Just a different vintage look
@HonestWatchReviewsHWR
@HonestWatchReviewsHWR 4 жыл бұрын
I've been eyeing this watch up for a while now, but was waiting for a good review before pulling the trigger... So thanks. I really like the teal one.
@ramoncastro7152
@ramoncastro7152 4 жыл бұрын
It’s all about the dial and that beautiful domed crystal. An interesting watch. That’s for the review!
@bastieniezzi6539
@bastieniezzi6539 4 жыл бұрын
Great review as always. Thanks
@hans.lankamp
@hans.lankamp 4 жыл бұрын
I haven't really been waiting for the Reef Tiger review, but I'll definitely watch it when it comes out!
@josephj7387
@josephj7387 4 жыл бұрын
Wow what a good looking watch also excellent review as always! Thank you Shane! Cheers from Bengaluru India!
@viking.442
@viking.442 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent review, sir!
@anthonyperkins6025
@anthonyperkins6025 4 жыл бұрын
Hi thanks for review. I’ve just added one to my cart. I think the dark hands make you look more when checking time as their not that clear. I think I’d go for teal colour. 😃
@rumatadestora
@rumatadestora 4 жыл бұрын
Looks like a well put together watch for the price. The movement is my only regret, but hey it has a day date complication. Totally worth it!
@vladimirpetreski7248
@vladimirpetreski7248 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the review. I don't mind the 42 mm, since I like the bigger watches, but if I decide on this one, I would go for the teal or the red. They seem to be much more legible. I have a black dress watch with a metallic hands, even thicker ones than these ones and it is hard to read them in the dark. That's of course if I skip the Nakzen, which I think is still my preference.
@RigoOXx
@RigoOXx 4 жыл бұрын
Wow, that's a beautiful watch
@MrSlicer2424
@MrSlicer2424 4 жыл бұрын
Nice!! I like this one!!
@johnt2257
@johnt2257 4 жыл бұрын
thanks. I really like review
@darrensmith6999
@darrensmith6999 4 жыл бұрын
Just been looking at your back catalogue. I did watch this video when it came out, i have just received a I&W Carnival 506G Green dial looks very similar to the 8894G but claims to have Sapphire crystal. Beautiful watch check it out .
@Not_really
@Not_really 3 жыл бұрын
I quite like the watch, really. I should treat myself one. Thanks for making this video.
@RelativeTime
@RelativeTime 3 жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it.
@josepmariaaguascaribot9239
@josepmariaaguascaribot9239 4 жыл бұрын
The imagination to the power. Intelligent interpretation of a control panel.
@storm3016
@storm3016 4 жыл бұрын
Great review again Shane! I was one of the ones that picked this watch as the favorite of the four back then. I still dig it, a lot actually. You did point out a lot of little things that could be improved though, and I don't think I will be a buyer because of them, at least not at this price. Maybe if it had sapphire and/or a NH36 but right now it just sounds morellike a less than 50 dollar watch to me. I am picky though, and pretty cheap as well, haha.
@RelativeTime
@RelativeTime 4 жыл бұрын
Its a little better then some of the $50 ones I've seen, but not a whole lot. They are definetly not worth the $100 they are being sold for on Amazon, but I put a link to them anyway. But keep an eye out, they might swap movements or drop the price for some crazy sale.
@karlsenula9495
@karlsenula9495 3 жыл бұрын
Carnival also does a decent looking Nomos Tangente homage automatic watch. Under $50 on the latest Aliexpress sale.
@jorge23483
@jorge23483 4 жыл бұрын
Well, it's good looking with a Bauhaus flavor. Almost a Junghans Max Bill homage but not so thanks to the color of the second hands, the date-day and the pretty charcoal black sunburst dial. I'm one of those that doesn't mind the miyota stutter or more like I even noticed it before 😅. Nice video 👌😎
@possumsam2189
@possumsam2189 4 жыл бұрын
Finally, have been waiting all year for a reviewer to make a review on one of these The Turquoise/Teal dial definitely looks more striking and characterful.
@possumsam2189
@possumsam2189 4 жыл бұрын
So far, I have seen this type of dial on two of its Chinese Contemporaries aka Le Sewor and Binger. www.aliexpress.com/item/32762963690.html www.aliexpress.com/item/33049655283.html There is also a 40mm variant called the Model C8894G-2 with a red stopwatch-like seconds hand and steel Miyota. (But I'm not sure whether it is a confirmed watch from Carnival and it is veering too much towards spook territory if you ask me) On a completely unrelated note, Guanqin has just started selling Actual Functioning Tourbillons for truly disgustingly low prices this Ali sale (
@possumsam2189
@possumsam2189 4 жыл бұрын
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@RelativeTime
@RelativeTime 4 жыл бұрын
Wow.. very cool. I'm interested, but not sure if I'm $500 interested. Still a great price for a tourbillon, just concerned about resale value if I sell it later to fund something else for the channel. I've been trying to not play the "I'm a watch reviewer, why don't you send me something" card too much. Yet for this I might see if I can contact someone. Maybe the official Guanchin store. Although I doubt they would send me something.
@possumsam2189
@possumsam2189 4 жыл бұрын
@@RelativeTime If I wasn't in the market for a Seagull ST800, I might have immediately snatched up the Guanqin with the Beijing movement. The urge to splurge is at an ATH with these Chinese pieces, becoming nearly impossible to resist, especially at these absurd prices. To put things in prospective, atypical tourbillons tend to cost above USD$50k mark (The Japanese sell them at well above USD$80 grand). Chinese tourbillons from Official Chinese watchmakers (BWAF, Shanghai and Seagull) tend to cost above USD$2.4k. So a watch with a Hangzhou/Shanghai, let alone Beijing tourbillon movement for less than $600 is absolutely mad, mad I tell ya. And they are selling the Hangzhou ones for USD$409... Absolutely bananas!
@possumsam2189
@possumsam2189 4 жыл бұрын
@@RelativeTime Found one that might interests you. www.aliexpress.com/item/32891875725.html
@jacklaporte472
@jacklaporte472 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the review Shane. I was beginning to suffer from withdrawals....almost sent you a message asking for proof of life LOL
@RelativeTime
@RelativeTime 4 жыл бұрын
LOL. No I'm around. Been really busy, but even then I haven't missed a week posting. I even had a 10k special video and giveaway announce about a week ago. KZbin might not be telling you when I do, supposedly they have been playing with the algorithms again.
@jacklaporte472
@jacklaporte472 4 жыл бұрын
Relative Time I’ve been watching but now I’m spoiled with your content so I want it when I want it.
@Imar84
@Imar84 4 жыл бұрын
Nice review, i have the same watch but in green, look good and fell good, i have parnis watch with miyota 9100 and they go exactly the same for a week, neither is encouraged or delayed the other. I was able to get a price for this watch for € 52
@RelativeTime
@RelativeTime 4 жыл бұрын
Thats pretty good. I think they just went on sale now on Aliexpress.
@grumpyoldman2380
@grumpyoldman2380 4 жыл бұрын
For around $78, this is a good looking watch with a pretty decent movement. Nice video.
@Nick-O-Maniac
@Nick-O-Maniac 4 жыл бұрын
Grumpy Old Man how well does it keeps time ? are there any deep scratch attracted to your glass ?
@Nosaj1978
@Nosaj1978 4 жыл бұрын
Nikhil Jadhav I have one with a blue dial. When it arrived it was gaining about 10 seconds a day. I have adjusted it a bit and it has lost about 15 seconds in a week. So about -2 seconds a day. That is after leaving it in a drawer for a couple of days. While wearing it it was losing about -1 second a day.
@inkitatus1
@inkitatus1 4 жыл бұрын
I like it, even the logo looks decent to me...smaller would be better, as would black date wheel. Nice tho, good review as always, thanks 👍👍
@RelativeTime
@RelativeTime 4 жыл бұрын
Black date wheel would look good on this one. Cheers
@williamrizzo1285
@williamrizzo1285 4 жыл бұрын
Nice review. I have a 7 1/2 inch wrist so I tend to like the bigger watches. I swear it appears the crystal case back has a yellow tint to it. Thank you.
@RelativeTime
@RelativeTime 4 жыл бұрын
Yellow tint, or AR or something. No idea why though.
@johnpapadopoulos9854
@johnpapadopoulos9854 4 жыл бұрын
I'm thinking to go for the green color, If you can review the Cadisen c8097
@Andrew-J316
@Andrew-J316 4 жыл бұрын
Wish the 12,3,6,and 9 indicators where more pronounced as they seem too blacked out. As you said it probably needs to be seen in person. Even though contrast color I do like that the day/date windows do not cutoff the 3 o'clock index, something not seen often. Thank you for the exhaustive review! Yes, I have patiently been waiting for the Reef Tiger review! :-)
@RelativeTime
@RelativeTime 4 жыл бұрын
Good to know. I’ll try to get that reef tiger done next month. Then I’ll have to find some new Aliexpress watches to go over.
@sasropakis
@sasropakis 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the review. A pretty much agree with your remarks. Is the movement really gold coloured or is it the crystal on the back that is just yellow/brown tinted? I've seen some pictures of watches (might have actually been Carnival) which have had tinted crystal on the back but with Seiko NH36.
@RelativeTime
@RelativeTime 4 жыл бұрын
Both... I think. It is the Gilted 8205. miyotamovement.com/product/8205+Gilt/ But there is some tint or something going on with the back crystal. No idea why.
@islandterror5198
@islandterror5198 4 жыл бұрын
That Dial is big looks like it wears like a 44 . Thought it would have more appeal to me although black would not have been my choice. Yes I'm looking forward to the last Watch of the series. If you look hard there are some Diamonds in the rough with these Chinese brands. 👍
@77cjam
@77cjam 4 жыл бұрын
Think it just goes to prove (if proof was necessary) that watches are so subjective. If you like the design no reason not to go for it. However, for me, I just don't see anything in it. Not a bad watch at all. Just another product from the seemingly endless AliExpress conveyer belt. Again not necessarily a bad thing, but having purchased a few similar in my time, just not for me. Great informative review as always mate 👍
@joseandrade8811
@joseandrade8811 4 жыл бұрын
I don't particularly like it, especially because of the combination of the color of the dial with the hour a minute hands, but also because of the size. I also think probably the grey or the blue dials will look much better.
@user-lz5xi4lu3i
@user-lz5xi4lu3i 4 жыл бұрын
the watch is a cheap design with a good movement. The host’s voice is similar to the rock opera War of the Worlds. I like to watch, I don’t understand English. I love the clock. Good luck !!!
@EhRandomGuy
@EhRandomGuy 4 жыл бұрын
Hold on for a minute, there isn't a review for that Reef Tiger (yet)!
@RelativeTime
@RelativeTime 4 жыл бұрын
It came in 4th place.... like way back in 4th. So it got bumped a bit in the queue.
@EhRandomGuy
@EhRandomGuy 4 жыл бұрын
@@RelativeTime oh right, there was that voting queue back bit
@obicoke1810
@obicoke1810 3 жыл бұрын
@@RelativeTime Yes please give a review of the Reef Tiger RGA8238 a.aliexpress.com/_mNT3ocD
@justinraynes1043
@justinraynes1043 4 жыл бұрын
Funny story, I found this watch on Ebay, looked online to see reviews and came across this. Little did I know, the ebayer selling this watch is Shane himself! I bought this exact watch on Ebay today... Thanks Shane!
@RelativeTime
@RelativeTime 4 жыл бұрын
Hey thanks for bidding. Just time to make room for more watches I wonder how often anyone makes a connection. Ive run across a few other channels on eBay myself.
@justinraynes1043
@justinraynes1043 4 жыл бұрын
Honestly I only made the connection because your name was mentioned below in the comments... then I saw your eBay username and put 2 and 2 together. I'll be keeping an eye on your other auctions... thanks again!
@justinraynes1043
@justinraynes1043 4 жыл бұрын
Just received the Carnival watch in the mail and this guy threw in a free Casio and a great little note... I'm blown away! You rock Shane!!!
@databloom70
@databloom70 4 жыл бұрын
I purchased this watch a few months ago and am enjoying it. At that time the ad said the crystal was sapphire and not mineral. Not sure if they made a change on the one you received. As always with these sellers on Ali I hope I received what was being advertised.
@RelativeTime
@RelativeTime 4 жыл бұрын
I've seen a few that say that, but I doubt it. At least for the price. Flat Sapphire is fairly cheap, but domed and double domed get expensive. Although who knows.
@surfitli
@surfitli 4 жыл бұрын
A very nice review. This watch is actually a much better alternative to a MVNT or a Daniel Wellington, and it’s costs much less. Personally, I don’t like this style at all. However, it’s not bad for what you are getting. It kind of strange to put 30m wr on the dial of his style of watch. That should just be in the back.
@RelativeTime
@RelativeTime 4 жыл бұрын
Agreed. 30m is standard these days. No reason to advertise it.
@sumonsarker3861
@sumonsarker3861 3 жыл бұрын
I want to see carnival miyota 9015 watch 5668 this watch review
@CM-xd7pn
@CM-xd7pn 4 жыл бұрын
Umm Sir what exactly air thing they have done with it's back? And how that thing helps in changing colors
@RelativeTime
@RelativeTime 4 жыл бұрын
In short, I don't have a damn clue. It's either tint or ar coating. Why it's there I have no idea what so ever.
@jasongennero2925
@jasongennero2925 4 жыл бұрын
I wanna see the reef tiger,I think that it's the best looking out of the four cuz of the fluted bezel
@RelativeTime
@RelativeTime 4 жыл бұрын
Not too many out there with a fluted bezel. I’ll try to get it done next month.
@brabus57
@brabus57 4 жыл бұрын
Count me in as well
@EhRandomGuy
@EhRandomGuy 4 жыл бұрын
I was about to say, could it be a bambino killer? (though not so much at only 20mm, being thicker than the orient and with that cheesy font for the brand name) Edit: I've just seen way too many sub $50 automatic & sub $30 watches that use the same cursive font for their brand name.
@RelativeTime
@RelativeTime 4 жыл бұрын
Definitely not a bambino killer. Although it does have it's own casual style.
@jaromor8808
@jaromor8808 4 жыл бұрын
Have you measured the glass? They seem to claim it's sapphire crystal.
@RelativeTime
@RelativeTime 4 жыл бұрын
I always check with a diamond meter, so what I got was mineral. Although it was a year ago, and things can change. One of the challenges of reviewing Chinese watches is they tend to swap out components without telling anyone.
@adrianomaganini
@adrianomaganini 4 жыл бұрын
I think that for this kind of watches, when they say that is "30m WR", it means that is less than that and you should keep it away from water. For the asked price, I think a Vostok would be better.
@RelativeTime
@RelativeTime 4 жыл бұрын
You never know with Aliexpress watches. Some point I'd love to get some kind of pressure tester to do some WR tests. No idea how much they cost though.
@possumsam2189
@possumsam2189 4 жыл бұрын
@@RelativeTime You could always buy one from Aliexpress lol www.aliexpress.com/wholesale?catId=0&initiative_id=SB_20190822224810&SearchText=watch+pressure+tester&switch_new_app=y
@peternic1
@peternic1 4 жыл бұрын
That gets a thumbs down from me. But I'm definitely interested in the review of the Reef Tiger. There's not many watches out there with a fluted bezel, so I'd be interested in your opinion.
@RelativeTime
@RelativeTime 4 жыл бұрын
Good to know. Seems like just a few are interested, but I'm still going to try and get it done next month.
@adamdas4527
@adamdas4527 4 жыл бұрын
Perfect timing! I add one to my wishlist yesterday ;) Now you could get it about 60$. I love the designe, this vintage-style. I can't decide which color: grey or "green" (turquoise?) Help :)
@RelativeTime
@RelativeTime 4 жыл бұрын
That is good timing. You never know when or what will pop up on sale. Or at least I don’t. Might be a good time to see if their is anything interesting now that I’m down to just that reef tiger.
@adamdas4527
@adamdas4527 4 жыл бұрын
@@RelativeTime Do you think that Reef Tiger is worth the price? They are even more expensive than Orient now.
@d3xmeister
@d3xmeister 4 жыл бұрын
Can you please check your Automatic Watches playlist ? There’s a few videos missing that should have been there (Spinaker California dial, pagani design etc) and also there are some videos that are present 3 times (this one and the Swiss Diver). Thank you.
@RelativeTime
@RelativeTime 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for letting me know. When i upload a video I tell it what playlists to add to. KZbin started using a new beta version of the interface a few months ago, and evidently it hasn't been doing as good a job as it should. At least that's why I'm guessing some of those were in triplicate. Unfortunately the playlist area isn't even in the studio interface, I have to go directly to the channel. So if you hadn't said anything I wouldn't of noticed for a while. I made the changes you mentioned, but I'll try to look at it in more detail later. If you notice anything specific let me know in a comment, or just email me. Cheers!
@d3xmeister
@d3xmeister 4 жыл бұрын
Relative Time The only think missing now is the Pagani Design cocktail, one of your older videos. 😀
@roymason7041
@roymason7041 4 жыл бұрын
Is the Miyota 9015 movement noise? I have a Miyota 9015 watch, the noise is quite loud.
@RelativeTime
@RelativeTime 4 жыл бұрын
That's normal. It's one of the downsides to the movement. But it's otherwise pretty good.
@roymason7041
@roymason7041 4 жыл бұрын
@@RelativeTime Is that a way to reduce the noise? I think the movement is great if someone can tell me how to reduce the noise.
@RelativeTime
@RelativeTime 4 жыл бұрын
@@roymason7041 I've heard, but never tried it, that a drop of oil on the central part of the rotor helps. Although I'm not sure what oil. I'm guessing regular watch lubricant. You could probably ask in watchuseek forum somewhere. I'm betting someone there has actually tried it.
@roymason7041
@roymason7041 4 жыл бұрын
@@RelativeTime Thanks. I will buy a few Miyota 9015 watches to try. Some China made watches are very cheap on Aliexpress. I can use them for my experiment.
@Nick-O-Maniac
@Nick-O-Maniac 4 жыл бұрын
how well does it keeps time
@RelativeTime
@RelativeTime 4 жыл бұрын
Well there will always be some variation between each movement. I think the Miyota 8200s are simmilar to the Seiko NH movements. So anywhere from -10 to +30 a day. However this specific one was +9 a day. 10:50
@stripeyco
@stripeyco 4 жыл бұрын
Interesting piece, does it have the Miyota klunky feel when you handwind or set it?
@RelativeTime
@RelativeTime 4 жыл бұрын
No more then the usual miyota. I'm still not sure why the rotors are always louder then Seiko.
@Georgy_47
@Georgy_47 4 жыл бұрын
nakzen ss6008g best alternative to seiko watches
@RelativeTime
@RelativeTime 4 жыл бұрын
I haven’t looked at that nakzen before. Might have to change that.
@Georgy_47
@Georgy_47 4 жыл бұрын
@@RelativeTime sapphire crystle tungsten stainless miyota 8205 or 9015 great dial options solid endlink all dressy watches check it on ali express its 79$ unreal great value for money
@RelativeTime
@RelativeTime 4 жыл бұрын
@@Georgy_47 it's been a bit, but I did look at one of the nakzens with a 9015. Little different dial. kzbin.info/www/bejne/fX7Glmuso8eEg7s
@HVG67
@HVG67 4 жыл бұрын
Design wise it's kinda nice, but brand wise I guess I'm getting a snob, because I'd never buy something that kinda looks and feels like something you'd win at a.... carnival..
@syndicatedsatellite7288
@syndicatedsatellite7288 4 жыл бұрын
The watch just needs big bad red florescent hands...
@RelativeTime
@RelativeTime 4 жыл бұрын
Well that would stand out more. In person the hands are legible, just very thin. I think the second hand might even be wider then the minute hand.
@mikes1172
@mikes1172 4 жыл бұрын
I like it, minus day & date complication. Lets be honest, if you don't have a wall of watch winders how are you going to ever keep this thing correct? Your not, so IMHO its a waste of time and it takes from the appearance versus improving it. Every person walks around with a phone with the day & date on it and every other conceivable piece of information at their finger tips so why would I need the day and date on my watch? Maybe, they should have tried to create a GMT hand versus day/date as the name Carnival sort of implies travel & festivity and usually that happens away from your home.
@niallvbrennan6629
@niallvbrennan6629 4 жыл бұрын
Review is a tad long for this fairly ordinary watch. The watch would be a lot better in my view if Carnival took on Shane's design comments, IMO☘
@RelativeTime
@RelativeTime 4 жыл бұрын
It is. I was shooting for 8-10 min, but wound up being 14. Not sure how exactly, maybe I'm getting to wordy. I even cut out a few parts, and was looking for more. I could of cut out a lot of the miyota stutter part, and just mentioned it had it. But I thought I should leave it in case anyone who wasn't familiar with it saw it.
@niallvbrennan6629
@niallvbrennan6629 4 жыл бұрын
@@RelativeTime Hi Shane, not too wordy at all, as I 'see'it. Just an ordinary watch. Every other watch you review has more characteristics to comment on, and lume also. Always look forward to your reviews👍☘
@eronavbj
@eronavbj 4 жыл бұрын
Not bad, but I'd rather spend another $50 and get the Bambino.
@RelativeTime
@RelativeTime 4 жыл бұрын
I think that would be the better choice. I like the casual style, but build quality on the Bambino is better.
@SolidTime
@SolidTime 2 жыл бұрын
Like so many of these affordable pieces, way too big. Should be 38mm, save 42mm for the divers and pilots.
@TinBin-Craig
@TinBin-Craig 4 жыл бұрын
cheers but am not a fan....
@Norman-yq3hl
@Norman-yq3hl 4 жыл бұрын
Yuk
@user-gr1cu8oy5m
@user-gr1cu8oy5m 4 жыл бұрын
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@BarnOwl61
@BarnOwl61 4 жыл бұрын
The size of this piece is a problem, to big and bulky. I can see what they tried to achieve here, but I think it is a fail. More luck next watch. Can't win them all!
@RelativeTime
@RelativeTime 4 жыл бұрын
Thats always they way it is with Aliexpress watches. A lot of the ones I've seen would be much better at 40mm, but they keep making them larger and larger.
@TheGrosneuftrois
@TheGrosneuftrois 3 жыл бұрын
warning! do not buy this brand, the automatic movement charges poorly, it must be adjusted every morning, the watch does not correspond to the seller's image, carnival customer service is bad times! the quality and lower than the photo and the watch smaller than the measurements described by the seller
@RelativeTime
@RelativeTime 3 жыл бұрын
Which seller? And does it look like they changed the movement or does it still say Miyota on the rotor?
@TheGrosneuftrois
@TheGrosneuftrois 3 жыл бұрын
@@RelativeTime The official carnival seller! aliexpress! I don't know about the movement, it's an automatic inspired by tissot!
@RelativeTime
@RelativeTime 3 жыл бұрын
When you get a chance please check to see if the rotor still says Miyota. Reason I ask is that normally Miyotas are usually pretty good movements. Yet sometimes these AliExpress brands swap components without saying anything. So curious if your movment issues is from a bad Miyota or a random offbrand Chinese movement.
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