Thrash Testing our Hybrid 2WD dirt bike at Mini Mayhem 2024!

Our hybrid all wheel drive dirt bike gets thrash tested and race around the CarsandCameras Grand Prix! We brought the QS273 and Tillotson 225cc powered dirt bike out to Mini Mayhem spring 2024 for some fun with our subscribers. We put the homemade dirt bike up against a Yamaha YZ450F dirt bike to see if our homemade hybrid can compete with an OEM top tier dirt bike!
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[@weldeddaydreams]

That funky 4 wheeler thing looks like a miniature Dodge Tomahawk; it was a prototype "motorcycle" they made with the 8.4L V10 from the Viper.

[@midbc1midbc199]

Yeah that thing is cool.....that thing deserves a big motor

[@benterry6463]

Totally just started to say that LoL glad I'm not the only one that remembers the Tomahawk

[@Uzrnaim1]

I could remember the prototype but not the name! Thank you so much that would have bugged me forever.

[@jasonpetrich4141]

I thought It kinda looks like a small naked tron cycle from the 1980s movie. TRON.

[@Ongbruh]

Dude at the event said he bought it off marketplace, and that it was made by some Chinese company. I think he said you could still buy them, but I have bo clue where to even start lol

[@rong4189]

Not only 450 riders, but the 125 and 250 riders called and said they ALL want to race Ike! Just relaying the message.

[@memorris2]

The dirtbike world call the hill a jump lol

[@CarsandCameras]

Well, it was worth a shot! I'm surprised it competed as well as it did against the 450!

[@starfox_wr-45e93]

I mean, Yamaha themselves made a 2WD WR450.. so the concept is solid. I'm not that surprised. All you guys need is a few million dollars R&D and you'll take that YZ down 😂

[@brandonboyce2995]

250 2stroke motor with a recluse clutch setup plus electric motor then you'd have a contender

[@fadedlight8596]

put a belt instead of a chain they are more efficient than a chain when worn. I know it can be costly but im curious if it would make it faster vs chain.

[@starfox_wr-45e93]

reposting this: 3-wheel drive Morgan-style build with electric power on the rear-wheel with a gas-motor up front?

[@michaeltraughber5246]

I'm under a active tornado warning here in TN but I'm in my safe area and watching CarsandCameras. 👍

[@CarsandCameras]

Stay safe! let's hope your internet connection holds out to finish the episode😅

[@XxWarzonexXxDeathxX]

Same here in KY! Stay safe man

[@joshlang4660]

It was nothing 🙄

[@Dr.Madd138]

Had a bunch around me in my area of Cheatham brother. I’m glad it’s over

[@ShinyUmbreon765]

Drive by wire for the tilletson so you can sync up front and rear would be good. There are also cable operated potentiometers, that paired with a 2 cable throttle could sync up front and rear without drive by wire.

[@insanecory8610]

GOOD TO SEE YALL

[@TurboTibby]

Coming home to a cars and cameras video is always a good day.

[@AdamAlistair]

Miss Charles really bad guys. He was my draw to the channel. It's not personal, of course, we don't know each other. I still enjoy you guys and your antics. I just feel super bummed he couldn't stay.

[@Kryynism]

Wish he would start a channel himself and do some cool stuff with his own stuff.

[@olekristianolsen1287]

Why is he out?

[@leifhietala8074]

That double-dually GY6 is channeling the Dodge Tomahawk, a "motorcycle" powered by a Viper engine and, like the critter at Mayhem, sporting side-by-side wheels at both ends.

[@jasonknoop8953]

It was cool that Richard Rawlings from Gas Monkey Garage gave you guys a shout out at Pace Swap Meet this year. Looking forward to SpeedWeek for you guys.

[@AOA1024]

Was starting to wonder if you guys were going to post a video on this year's mini Mayhem haha. I have wanted to go for quite a while and finally am in the position where I can. Can't wait for the next one!

[@rosebooth7367]

John and particularly Ike released back into their natural habitat ;)

[@rickyhollifield7699]

Hunter's like it quite ) but yunns have the hills to get up and the quiet ) great job boys !!!!!

[@PatrickTolmie-fe1ty]

Good video glad you didn't get hurt neither one of you and keep them up love watching your videos and there's always be safe

[@rickyhollifield7699]

You fellas are definitely on something !!!!!

[@moto3463]

Sick more dirtbike videos! We need more!!

[@memorris2]

How did yall not have better coverage of mini mayham?! It used to be a full video about it! Were there just not many people there this year?

[@niggabeans720]

Relax dawg I’m not certain but that’s there like there “big“ project for the year as far as videography and editing so give them time to edit it this video was probably just filler like a nibble of mini Mayhem before the whole episode

[@Kryynism]

Probably still edit mode, just releasing the project bike footage

[@IndianaDipper194]

@@Kryynism yea hes probably got an hour long banger comin for it when he gets it done.

[@memorris2]

@@Kryynism man, i hope so!

[@vf555fotia7]

Hopefully, they’re probably still editing the video that’s kind of sucky that they don’t push their subscribers to the front of the video.

[@robburley9494]

And on that bombshell ! you'll have a stigg next 🤣🤣

[@WyFoster]

Stooge

[@Rebel-Neck]

Awesome build guys

[@bobmanzi7712]

great stuff guys thanks.

[@musicauthority674]

I have always wanted to see this done on a e bike. with hub motors on both front and rear wheels. it would make the ultimate mountain bike.

[@nathansims9319]

Love yall guys

[@blackspider1970]

That’s a awesome build

[@johnkaminski646]

Well done C@C, nice to keep the kids off the games.

[@fletcherjacobs3688]

16:32 that’s modeled after a concept from when I was a kid called the dodge tomahawk. Was a 2 speed viper v10

[@anthonypiligno7618]

Pretty cool.....🎉🎉..JJ...

[@romeobetsaka2054]

The mini bike with dual wheels is so cool, the way the front tires turn is awesome, I’m sure whatever they build next will be another awesome peace.

[@RattleCanCustoms]

Always a good time at Mini Mayhem!

[@nickrudd2568]

That little four wheeler Bike, Cool, love the guys mindset. Inside out buggy bike.

[@gekko112]

God I love the idea so much. I always thought about this kind of thing as a kid and it's so cool to see that idea as an actual physical thing

[@richardaffonso1233]

It is awesome!

[@darrellkelly7614]

Oregon approves. Can't wait for Mr C's video.

[@entropy5125]

Finally a REAL BIKE on the channel. Hope to see you guy get one...at least consider buying a crf250f its a full sized trail bike for adults low seat height air cooled engine and its 5k new but it handles like a true dirtbike and i think it would take you guys to the next level

[@ianj8505]

LETS GO THERE MAN

[@ryanschanfish279]

that Honda Odyssey back there tho😍

[@michaelkrutz5737]

I saw that too.

[@jasonpetrich4141]

That white gy6 was like a tron bike from the 80s movie. You guys should build a electric tron cycle clone from the og movie would be sick

[@legros731]

It's probably based on the dodge Tomahawk concept v10 viper engine powered bike

[@bodine2537]

That sucker even sounds like a regular dirt bike 👍🏼good build guys , I vote you build a side car for it so you can scare the crap out of each other 😂

[@wallacengineering8096]

To be honest, the power of that dual-drive dirt bike is better than I expected. I figured the basic Tillitson engine would hold it back more than it does. I get they are good engines for Go-Karts but obviously going up against a 450cc is like a Civic going up against a Ferrari. I had an older 90's Honda 200cc Dirt Bike a few years back. I honestly think the dual-drive could keep up or even just barely out-pace the old Honda 200cc. Thats honestly not bad when you remember that standard dirt bikes have gears and yours just has a torque converter. I hope GoPowerSports one day makes like a little 3 or 4-speed transmission that can be mated to Tillitson and Harbor Freight engines.

[@terminalpsychosis8022]

Mad Max tech. killer hybrid Frankie's Monster. And what a turnout for the event.

[@rickyhollifield7699]

Up in the mountains? A 2 wheel drive on the hills ? A little more whate on the front wheel ? And pull power ? You fellas are on the right track brother lXl

[@andystokes8702]

John's 1.18.46 is nothing to be embarrassed about. Bearing in mind its height and weight and John's lack of height and weight, the fact that he was just on front wheel drive with no front brake I reckon that was a good result, I was surprised he got round the track at all without dumping the bike at some point.

[@peterjacobsen2097]

I hope yall come to colorado at some point. I would be more than happy to show you guys all the different tracks and trails around here in colorado springs. There's tons of places where we can legally go out and do some pretty fun stuff here on any type of motorized toy.

[@Blackend16.61]

I could totally see you guys putting a KX80 engine in place of the tillotson. Shifting wouldnt be fun but maybe getting the electric motor and gas motor all in one throttle would help. Just delay the electric motor to a certain throttle position before it kicks in. Either way i love it

[@Adam_3]

Im curious to how that 4 wheeled bike does. that steering setup would give me a headache to figure out on my own, so props to the guy who engineered it👌🏼🔥

[@down2earthparanormal145]

still lookd fun as hell though

[@friendlyfire01]

I have a feeling whenever you corner, you want more wheel speed or torque hitting the front tire to keep from 'driving' into the corners and instead 'pull' through them.

[@BaronBoar]

I mean, the concept is good. If there was a way to make it switchable 2wd on one throttle setup then you might have something really special there. Like front only, rear only and then AWD. That would be pretty cool. Regen on the front would be cool for down hills.

[@unstoppableman5273]

Get another frame, strip of the engine and all associated parts. Put the hub motor at the rear. Battery where the engine was. And then go have some fun. And make sure to go a twin disc front end, and regen the rear hub.

[@bryanpolden1587]

😂that's a lot of really big "IF's" it's really not even in the same league. But it does look like fun and it answers a few questions I had when I thought of making a 2wd Ebike, so thanks

[@derbydriver7431]

Fun build cool video guys. But i got to ask . What is that blue micro car in the shop

[@electricbloke]

I've loved watching your videos since the beginning. I've seen the channel grow from strength to strength, and I am happy enough to watch the adverts so you can get paid, buy new bikes, and the land and shop you built,... But, £8.99 per month to watch behind the scenes videos! You are seriously taking the pi$$. I can get Netflix basic package for £6.99 per month and watch it every day! That's shocking for your loyal fan base that helped you get where you are today. I'll still watch, but ffs lads.

[@Smurphenstein]

The drag race reminded me of when I used to sail. There was this one kid who would cut corners, ram my boat, everything he could. Then one day he said to me "why can't you let me win". I came back with "I can let you finish first but winning is something you have to do on your own". He quit sailing after that.

[@lanceneuman9528]

Thanks guys

[@matmichalke5734]

I think you guys should have 2 lists, one for 4wheel machines and one for others

[@CuznDave]

If that thing had the same engine as the 450 plus the electric assist it would be a beast!

[@failurite]

Next Rokon model? Love the idea of the gas motor charging battery for when you need 2wd. Small dirt bike engine and sell it!

[@dizzystj]

The wr 450 is an awesome bike all round

[@matthewdouglas4478]

That is me on my mega moto crossing the ditch at 14:07.

[@tomstech4390]

I need to see inside this specific hub motor, last one I saw for an Ebike the motor itself is like that of an electric drill, but I'm sure theres biggers (have to see it), it's impressive to imagine that having over 650Amps through it and dragging 300lb.

[@extremecheddarswityomom]

If both was on some paddle tires i think the hybrid would really give the 450 a run for its money

[@ziptyfyter6348]

Would love to see this tweaked and refined more and setup like an endurance build

[@KENNETHREAGAN]

You should build a trike with the electric motor

[@rickyhollifield7699]

Hope you fellas get it painted and make lots of money

[@docholiday6944]

great video guys! thanks for the awesome content!!! 👊✌️❤️🤙🏼🤙🏼🤙🏼🫡

[@carwynvan]

Would love to see you guys do an all electric all wheel drive bike. (I know all electric isn't really your wheelhouse but i love your guys' videos)

[@48Boxer]

16:15. It's like a mini viper bike.

[@bryduhbikeguy]

That's Awesome ! I have some electric stuff I want to put on a front wheel of my 'Motorized' and you've given the Push. I'll use the Twist throttle for gas,and will put a peg through the grip to hit the Electric so it runs evenly. You guys should do that.< Synched power without having to coordinate 2 different.Just a switch to turn On the electric front so it's not always in play.

[@Improvisebydesign]

One day I will go to that event.

[@dadsfriendlyrobotcompany]

Looks like you need more traction if you are spinning and sliding. It might need some softer compound super knobbies.

[@VirginiaMaker]

I'd love to see you guys redo that bike or make another, or even a mini, with 2 hub motor wheels.

[@bobsbarnworkshop]

Dual electric drive for a quiet trail bike for hunting season! Like a Rokon!

[@terminalpsychosis8022]

Well that was awesom . Now I want another electric motor go cart. Many mroe really. With at least one that Ike could possibly fit in.

[@JohnHill-jm7tm]

Early morning and this Old Man from Washington NC enjoying with my coffee ☕. Always great video 👍. No doubt you two my top KZbin channel ❤️. 🛵🧔💝💝

[@MadsWorld34]

i have been waiting for this video to see how it really works. i am still thinking about putting one on my honda trail 125

[@MadsWorld34]

have you figured out the top speed of that electric motor would be yet. my trail will fun 58 on a good day but it likes 48 to 54 mph on most days.

[@tims_builds]

That motor should be able to do regen braking with the right controller and that whole drivetrain might be cool on the big land speed bike

[@casey8207]

Never thought I’d see a Amazon electric bike front tire swapped lawn mower hill climb and drag race a yz 450 what a Wednesday 😂

[@theduderski2848]

you should be able to set up regen braking for the front wheel

[@extremecheddarswityomom]

Yall should make another version of the same thing but each version adds another wheel. Next version a 3 wheeler with 2 wheels in the back and then 2 wheels in the front and 2 wheels in the back and then 2 wheels in front 2 wheels in back.

[@matthudson1724]

Spark knock. Spark knock.

[@user-sl9zx6ze7u]

It was kool seeing you guys on the Gas Monkey channel!!

[@jamierushing]

Hi bro from west Alabama

[@OscarVaughn]

Good seeing Charles there

[@tdub1975]

Have you guys tried/considered using a yamaha ttr 225 motor?

[@jasonpetrich4141]

So does the front wheel have a gyro inside it. Maybe the faster you go the straighter it gets, self centering and self righting ???

[@dylanhobbs372]

My nighthawk made the video. Thank you

[@tacticooldennis]

Those QS273 motors come in different flavors, or "windings" which greatly affect their torque and top speed. it will likely have specs on it like 2.5T if you got a 5T motor instead you'll get more torque. which might make the difference between climbing a big hill or wining on an open desert.

[@tlostellem8875]

Ike needs to ride in attack position .he he’s getting squirrelly because this arm are down..love the build love to see this idea improve over time

[@curtisguenther1047]

Don't know if yhis has been asked but does it have regenerative braking on the esc?

[@zippythinginvention]

With a bigger motor, I wonder if you could beef up the charging system and run the front wheel off of that?

[@shannonrickman7620]

Next you guys need to do a hybrid crosscart or lawnmower with electric front wheels.

[@mikekemper34]

I'd love to see a Tillotson 265 or a ghost engine powered sidecar setup

[@YeOleFamily]

Put 2 tires on the front of a bike like right next to each other and combine the tread both of them with electric set up like that so its 2x as much torque on front and more traction but you can still turn and put a wide tire on the back also with a snorkel on the engine and waterproof it

[@XLTJAY]

Never been this early

[@Bartskarts]

Is the full mini mayhem video coming later?

[@Ro-Bucks]

I want to make one so bad now, been on my mind for a few years.

[@chrisburnett6698]

U should turn that bike into ALL battery with the same size batteries and the same size power on both tires. That would be awesome.

[@Raulcb400f]

Question that I find interesting... Using only the gasoline engine, could you use regenerative braking and recharge the battery for the front wheel motor?

[@lx1402]

Very cool comparison but there's still too many variables, both need same rider and same tyres at least. Very cool project 🤙

[@Dirt-Tomfoolery]

Saw that dude go by on that 06 kdx200 15:16