Pontiac made the most beautifully styled cars for Years. Can't believe they're gone.
@danabeckham74612 жыл бұрын
Agreed.....
@herchelleonwood7463 Жыл бұрын
delorean did that.
@evil1stАй бұрын
the judge, the firebird, the gto, even the modern cars like the G8 were bad ass it sure is a shame
@TheDatadrew2 жыл бұрын
First ever c&z Pontiac clean sweep? Buying a lottery ticket.. NOW! Love this channel. Thanks for sticking with it!
@onemoremisfit2 жыл бұрын
I fail to see even any humorous logic suggesting your gambling luck has improved because of this video.
@garrisonnichols8072 жыл бұрын
Both are great but I really love the 67 GTO. It's my favorite year of the GOAT.
@b.nunn.27022 жыл бұрын
Man that's drag racing!! The GTO's slight gearing advantage, plus great reaction times and auto trans won the day for It!! You don't get much closer to evenly matched though!
@whicker592 жыл бұрын
The GTO has a his/hers shifter. They're literally the best of both manual and auto. Slide shifter over to his, and it can come outta hole as auto/no clutch/spin and driver shifts when he chooses with no clutch. Wish they were still like this today.....paddles on steering wheel r like toys.
@MrBluzhound2 жыл бұрын
And a ‘72 SS was a DOG. A 71 was a noted dog, in the day- compared to the stock 396/350 found inn’70. Nobody wanted one.
@whicker592 жыл бұрын
@@MrBluzhound yep. Dang federal gov imposed that EPA crap on the Pinnacle of muscle cars...70' was that Pinnacle. Starting n 71, engine compression, insurance companies, EPA junk killed hp, and continued during so from then on, until recent years.....now hp is back with a vengeance......with paddle flappers substituting for a 4-speed Hurst shifter and driving skills.
@kevinkendall3122 Жыл бұрын
@@MrBluzhound 71-72 cars were definitely neutered as far as horsepower but they're great looking cars,I've seen this Chevelle in person & it is absolutely amazing
@patrickpotter12992 жыл бұрын
the cam in the 454 was something other than what chevy installed in 1973. anybody else notice that thumping idle? great vid✌️
@buff66372 жыл бұрын
Especially running 13:40s
@patrickpotter12992 жыл бұрын
sounded and ran more like an LS6 454 than the low compression LS5
@ryurc30332 жыл бұрын
Rules in the class are probably as long as mods don't show, like still a stock gm cam from an early car, different pistons, but still have to run stock manifolds and air cleaner. It's fair enough, he isn't running mid 12s like the hemi/dual carb cars.
@patrickpotter12992 жыл бұрын
@@ryurc3033 engine internals are beyond inspection i suppose. which is cool, but how do they run those ETs on stock(appearing)tires? very impressive. my LS6 chevelle ran 12.20 with headers & 7” cheater slicks. still went up in smoke. ✌️
@maximumcoverage55912 жыл бұрын
Since it wasn't a 73, than I hope the cam isn't from a 73. Not sure what the rules are but by ETs most of these cars have had some extra love in the motor. The ETs are almost always faster than the test drives back when they were new. I'm pretty sure they can run any cam that came in any version of the motor that's in the car. And compression can go up at least a point from stock. So dude can put the LS6 or even LS7 (wasn't there a race only or boat LS7 or am I making shit up in my head?) Cam in the engine as well as bumping up the compression and I'm sure if they shaved the heads a tiny bit that would bump up the compression as well. Legally they can make that motor a lot closer to an LS6 specs rather than the low comp LS4 or what ever engine code it was from the factory with. This race was settled by the drivers not the cars.
@gary94262 жыл бұрын
Great matchup...very entertaining! Great drivers in both. Gotta love those '64-'67 Goats. The Chevy had 55 cubes on the Poncho, but was saddled with that low compression 454. Thanks C&Z! 👍
@bigjoe5992 жыл бұрын
I had a 69 Plymouth Sport satellite with a 383 and ran 13 flat at 110 miles an hour every day all day long
@1972Ventura455ho4 ай бұрын
They are allowed to bump up the compression a point and a half. So the Chevelle owner could have bumped it up to almost 10.1.
@BrewBlaster2 жыл бұрын
That color scheme and just the car itself is gorgeous on that Pontiac.
@thomasthurston66562 жыл бұрын
Looks K code Aqua.
@RCAvhstape9 ай бұрын
Matching painted rims top it off, too. Beautiful car.
@NewEnglandPatriotsfan2 жыл бұрын
Thumbs up if you miss Pontiac so much
@ripvanrevs2 жыл бұрын
I have an 80 trans am in the garage!!
@NewEnglandPatriotsfan2 жыл бұрын
@@ripvanrevs Nice, classic cars are bomb
@shelbygtsoo Жыл бұрын
The lady who killed Pontiac should be prosecuted for murder of the king of muscle cars
@jackmehoff46133 ай бұрын
I miss Pontiac so much, I bought a '69 LeMans with a 428 HO
@disgustedvet95282 жыл бұрын
A new 67 GTO was the first car to beat my 64 GTO back in the day , he couldn't pull away but i couldn't take him off the line . Had three people in my car as well.
@LITTLE19942 жыл бұрын
Beaten by a slightly newer version of the car. Huh.
@disgustedvet95282 жыл бұрын
@@LITTLE1994 He had more horses and a better transmission.
@linguisticman2 жыл бұрын
I had a '64, and got beat by a '65. They were all nice until low-compression 1971.
@dustylover1002 жыл бұрын
3 people inside your 64? How many people were in the 67?
@disgustedvet95282 жыл бұрын
@@dustylover100 2
@garybattaglia40092 жыл бұрын
Love that fact that you are keeping it classy my friend @0:11 seconds and @1:25... It's nice to have the highbrow humor back again!
@michaelharnett83852 жыл бұрын
bought a 454 just like that in 1973 2100$ 10k miles still have the 5 wheels off of it i liked that car
@jimmeyer76322 жыл бұрын
LET'S START WITH THE COMMENTARY .....LISTEN HOW "NICELY DONE" THE ENTIRE PRESENTATION IS THROW IN SOME INTERESTING FACTS MIXED WITH A LITTLE BIT OF HUMOR AND THE WHOLE PRESENTATION IS PERFECT ..... NOW LEAVE IT JUST LIKE THIS !!!!!!!! BOTH CARS WERE WORTHY RIDES !!!!!! BOTH HAD SUPRISING PERFORMANCE AND THEY WERE SO EVENLY MATCHED !!!!!! THIS ENTIRE PRESENTATION WAS PERFECT AND VERY ENJOYABLE ......... THANK YOU !!!!!!!
@puka59392 жыл бұрын
The shifter in the GTO is a hurst dual gate that came with the turbo 400 as an option.
@williamzander97088 ай бұрын
Wasn’t that a his and hers and Oldsmobile used that to .
@thomasjacques52862 жыл бұрын
Grew up in the 60’s and I was a Pontiac guy, my favorite all time was/is the 70 1/2 Trans Am. But looking at these cars running on the track shows me how far things have come. My 2022 Tesla Model Y Performance runs the 1/4 in 11.79 seconds, and my wife could do that.
@chuckgross60242 жыл бұрын
Love the gto and he's from my home state! Also the view from the burnout box was cool!
@charlesdalton9852 жыл бұрын
The match-ups lately have been crazy close, great racing! Both drivers were very consistent. Thank you for keeping these coming - greatly enjoy the racing and humor. ~ Chuck
@68dart2 жыл бұрын
Awesome , Thanks C&Z 😊
@bruceallen60162 жыл бұрын
The Chevelle had a quicker ET and faster trap speed. It all boiled down to faster reaction times of the GTO driver. Awesome race! 😎
@davidbattaglia23362 жыл бұрын
Thank you for an entertaining video!
@davemeyer14232 жыл бұрын
Closer than I thought it would be.
@echoi71192 жыл бұрын
Love the new burnout inserts. Keep it comin!! 💨💨
@markvickers34882 жыл бұрын
For about 14 years, 1970 was the hottest year for American cars. Fastest car I was ever in was a 1970 Olds 442, with a 455 , Turbo 400 auto, & FULL - RACE, reverse - detent shift kit. I was 21, driver was Very smart motorhead, and it was actually a bit frightening. He took me for a 20 minute ride, & manually shifted gears with a BANG. I kept being shoved back in my seat. WTF ?! The torque was unbelievable. Then, in '71, they started lowering compressions down from 11 & 12 to 8.5. Then, in '72, they went to S.A.E. net ratings, which confused things. What a mess. Then came cats & smog pumps. Sick & demoralizing. Then, 1984. Friend bought a new 5.0 Mustang with 5-speed O.D. clutch. Not too shabby! 😄😄 'Nuff said.
@dukedavis89502 жыл бұрын
That is one beautiful HO it is fast but for me it's the SS I've always loved super sport chevelle's ❤ clean and mean. Great video love you're comments 👍
@edwinfeldman82312 жыл бұрын
By the numbers the goat shoulda kicked the chevelle below the belt. But the smog era 454w/4spd really held it's own, had a nice lope at idle as well.
@dustylover1002 жыл бұрын
That Chevelle was strong, and would have done well in the 60s muscle car era?
@edwinfeldman82312 жыл бұрын
@@dustylover100 the chevelles from the 60's did well then and most of them had 100 ponies and better engine/trans packages available. Along with all the manufacturers. The 60's were the peak of muscle car performance. Until the modern era began dropping et's into the 12 & 13sec range again.
@johnkendall69622 жыл бұрын
In 72 there wasn't a bunch of smog equipment yet. Mostly the problem was the lower compression and a less aggressive curve in the distributer and a less aggressive cam. Good gas was becoming a problem for street cars.
@ryurc30332 жыл бұрын
My guess, (this is just my theory anyway) most of the top guys in f.a.s.t racing are allowed modifications, as long as it doesn't show, so a cam that's close to stock, better pistons, tuning upgrades under distributor cap, carb tuning, gasket match the intake manifold, hone the exhaust manifolds. As long as it still appears stock. I know one big block Camaro that ran 10 psi in the polyglass tires to try to make them hook up, would spin the wheel a quarter turn in the tire on a launch.
@shelbygtsoo Жыл бұрын
For Pontiac The three letters were the abbreviation for Gran Turismo Omologato ('grand tourer homologated') meaning certified for racing in the grand tourer class. When used on the order sheet for a Tempest, GTO stood for Grand Tempest Option.
@barkeater96062 жыл бұрын
Back in the 80’s my cousin had a GTO like that, but it had a his and her transmission. Cool car!
@badass6.0powerstroke102 жыл бұрын
So does this one, it's just the Shifter, Not the whole Transmission, it was made by Hurst, Called the Dual Gate Shifter. It was Often called the His/Hers Shifter.
@Carstuff111 Жыл бұрын
Such amazing works of art, both cars!
@robertcook45902 жыл бұрын
I've been passenger of a '65 GTO but with a 455 tri power instead of the 389 that car was a blast
@danam02282 жыл бұрын
Nice new footage at start of race when lining up 👍👍
@wattsmichaele2 жыл бұрын
Keep these videos coming young man. Excellent!!
@dionrau55802 жыл бұрын
What kinda P O S could you get for 27000 today? New car I mean, it would have to be the most base model subcompact. We are being screwed, things really were better in the day.
@leeharms27862 жыл бұрын
I had same thoughts as I watch these and see inflation adjusted prices. Nice unique cars that function. In some respects not comparable from feature perspective...Do I need a touchscreen? Do I want car to drive, brake, etc. For me...nope
@brianmanners89102 жыл бұрын
Dion Rau Removing the gold standard ruined the dollar .
@dionrau55802 жыл бұрын
@@brianmanners8910 I get that, but my point is you couldn't get a four cylinder mustang or Camaro or anything like that for twenty seven thousand and change, maybe a little compact Kia base model subcompact nowadays.
@turdferguson41242 жыл бұрын
Yeah, except the new cars today are much safer, handle and stop much better, get much better gas mileage, are much better equipped, and don’t pollute the air like cars from the muscle car era.
@donlarocque51572 жыл бұрын
And all of the recalls for factory flub ups. We can't build a baby carrier now.
@ericwooden69382 жыл бұрын
Thanks for these videos, can't see enough.
@ztwntyn8 Жыл бұрын
I never knew the 67 HO got the 068 cam. Man that brings a 400 alive with good compression and a 455 as well with about any compression. You can’t fail with the 068. Compared to the 067 cam my 400 with #48 heads gained from off idle to redline which moved from about 5000 rpm to 6000 rpm. Should shift 2nd at around 5500 and drive about 5000. It would shoot to 6000 rpm quicker than my 94 LT1 M6 though which surprised me
@geraldlafleur77762 жыл бұрын
The Chevy just needed a driver that had better reaction time as he had the quicker ET .
@joefergerson52432 жыл бұрын
My first car would have been a red 67 GTO, but, my brother told my dad(cop) it was a hot rod. Heart broken 😞 😢
@kevinmanning4880 Жыл бұрын
Cars and Zebras, love your videos and your commentating. Keep up the great work!
@brucewoolard11122 жыл бұрын
Dude you missed the best part of the car. The Hurst dual gate... his and hers shifter which I'm pretty sure means Hurst built turbo 400
@JP-dw1fp2 жыл бұрын
If that Chevelle had a pure stock cam, I'm Batman.
@michaeltruscott94432 жыл бұрын
I like the goat it was my first car
@jeremiahg58522 жыл бұрын
Great race. Great cars.
@iggyfritz7150 Жыл бұрын
Before seeing the outcome I vote for the GTO
@2t7132 жыл бұрын
Weird, I remember these cars running 14.6- 15.0 1/4 miles...ha
@bryankoehler87652 жыл бұрын
Nice show looking forward to more .👍
@1967davethewave2 жыл бұрын
You were kind of turning me on with that "Grand Turismo Omologato" talk, LMAO!!! Seriously a super closely matched race. It seems to have come down to the best reaction time. Two beauties, thank you C&Z. BTW, where at the zebra videos at?
@kevinkendall31222 жыл бұрын
I'd take both cars but the Chevelle wins by looks & rarity,only 1,513 built w/LS5/M22 in 72
@ZeroBoostBuick2 жыл бұрын
Excellent match up !
@louiskats51162 жыл бұрын
Goodday C & Z, Great video as per usual. Your number 1 Fan in Australia Louis Kats from Melbourne Australia ☺ 👍 ❤
@PapaWoody4402 ай бұрын
That GTO is a beauty and has some real scoot, too.
@goneshootin612 жыл бұрын
You got it pontiac !
@gloriamaletta86672 жыл бұрын
Evenly matched cars only a couple hundreds of a second difference
@sharonw24752 жыл бұрын
The Chevelle won the 2nd race, screw their silly ass "better reaction time", the lowest et at the finish line determines the winner in my book and that was the Chevelle, and since this is my computer then my opinion is the only one that matters.
@bw35062 жыл бұрын
You made me laugh on that one!
@javonsumpter96782 жыл бұрын
Those 3:73's are perfect for cruising and occasionally a race or two
@crankychris2 Жыл бұрын
You need an overdrive with 3.73/3.91 for high speed cruising.. My 3.73 ''Stag turned 3300 rpm, in 4th, 5th gear it turned 2600, I had a Getrang 5 speed close ratio tranny and got around 20 mpg at 80 mph, stock 5.0 motor.
@javonsumpter9678 Жыл бұрын
@@crankychris2 ,I appreciate that bro
@rickbullock43312 жыл бұрын
Great races. The GTO must have picked up in the middle of the last race because the Chevelle was ahead off the start and the Chevelle was quicker with more m.p.h. Possibly lost some in the shifts. Nice cars.
@robertheinkel75792 жыл бұрын
72 pure stock a real slug lucky to go 15.5 ! And I love chevelle s ! Won’t take much to go 13.0
@mocarpenter88362 жыл бұрын
GTO FTW Baby!! PMD To The Front !!
@ronnieboucherthecrystalcraftsm Жыл бұрын
GTO = SD best engines - Super Duty !
@jailbreakgamin19662 жыл бұрын
you keep these gto wins comming and i may have to sub to this channel...lol cool vid !!!! GO G.T.O.
@tommycook96202 жыл бұрын
Hell yea man
@mannyr.27562 жыл бұрын
That was great I want more!....
@paulywalnuts11062 жыл бұрын
Love the humor!😂
@TorchyBurns1 Жыл бұрын
This outcome broke my heart😢😮
@MrBluzhound2 жыл бұрын
I’m a sucker to keep watching, just to see the cars and remember the smell, but come on. 50+ years later they’re doing 1-1.5 seconds better. Pure…something.
@gargar81962 жыл бұрын
I had a 67 GTO the only American car that gave me a run for my money was a Boss 302 I never raced a corvette
@LITTLE19942 жыл бұрын
Nice race.
@stevegagnon14492 жыл бұрын
Wow! Just wow!
@chuckcts-v34603 ай бұрын
I bought a 1967 GTO, 360 hp with a/c, power steer and brakes, black vinyl top, metalic blue, blue interior. $4,100.
@RageHP-RageHorsePower2 жыл бұрын
And this H.O. be nasty keep it up man
@bradleyphillips2042 жыл бұрын
Nice GM cars back when they knew what they were doing even though the Chevelle didn't crank out as much. Fart noises are funny. I been married for 13 years. Could give a damn less if she's sitting beside me and hears that. I just laugh. Who cares about being self conscious?🤣 Grab a beer and get over it 🍺
@davidbattaglia23362 жыл бұрын
My wife watches these videos explicitly for the fart noises and smarmy humor
@rsstrazz62612 жыл бұрын
"How dare you fart before me!" - "Sorry babe, I didn't know it was your turn!"
@rsstrazz62612 жыл бұрын
@@davidbattaglia2336 She's definitely a Keeper!
@dustylover100 Жыл бұрын
I love them GTOs!
@michaeltruscott94432 жыл бұрын
My car was the same color but mine had a tauch on the hood
@CarFacts812 жыл бұрын
*tach
@shanefrericks59294 күн бұрын
Hell yes I miss Pontiac
@barcrrt850 Жыл бұрын
Love those Pontiacs!
@David-q1k4k11 ай бұрын
Those 3.90 gears made a big difference, Goats are usually low to mid 14 second cars stock
@timmotel58042 жыл бұрын
Cool cars. Thanks
@ryurc30332 жыл бұрын
Do they let clones compete? Say I build a 72 454 SS Chevelle out of a 307 auto malibu. If it was date coded correctly, and still adhere to the stock appearing ruleset, would they let it compete? How strict on date coding, like if I used an 80s truck 454 as a base?
@bullheimer Жыл бұрын
hmm, same day as your Hornet Challenger race. you describe a hole shot great. i'd say they upped the c.r. in that 'velle
@markmcfarling Жыл бұрын
That gearing is what got the pontiac the win.
@barcrrt8502 жыл бұрын
Poncho!
@danielmckay85422 жыл бұрын
How does.48 beat .46?
@preyforcougars36012 жыл бұрын
I’m asking the same thing.. The Chevelle had a faster quarter-mile time.. that literally means it wins. Oh and a higher top speed..
@mocarpenter88362 ай бұрын
That's a Hurst Dule Gate Shift knob I do believe CZ !! 😬😬
@crushinbullyz9975 ай бұрын
Why didn't they match year to year 67 to 67?
@goldysgarage1892 жыл бұрын
Both cars are heavily ‘massaged’ to turn those numbers in the 1/4
@jerrycraig65222 жыл бұрын
Probably the best looking Chevelle EVER, except for my 65 SS that I stuffed a corvette 427 into with the 2spd powerglide!!!
@msh68652 жыл бұрын
Neither of these cars is stock and the driver of that Chevelle needs to seriously work on his reaction times.
@CarsAndZebras2 жыл бұрын
Here we go, another couch drag racing expert 👆. FYI, the worst Chevelle reaction time of these 3 races was .16, and his best .03…. so, you obviously have no idea what you are talking about, let alone actually been to a drag strip.
@jonathankountz70974 ай бұрын
I figured the GTO would win 2nd and 3rd , was surprised on the first run.. it was a good race overall and close
@bobo44donemilking512 жыл бұрын
Gto wouldn't have beaten a 70 Chevelle SS 454 ,more horses in 70 than 72 🤔
@wymple092 жыл бұрын
This Chevelle was faster as well. Driver lost the races at holeshot.
@wymple092 жыл бұрын
Chevelle was faster. Holeshot winner.
@theodoregarcia88302 жыл бұрын
Ho for ahort hahahahha i love you man , you made my friggin day hahahhaha
@jeffschwartz51992 жыл бұрын
Obviously , the Chevelle driver liked being in the hole 🕳 until everyone left 🙄 🤔🤷
@hardwurk20122 жыл бұрын
I hate that Pontiac is no more,but I'm glad I own one and a poncho 400 engine. Pontiac Power! Nothing against Chevy. All gm are awesome.
@kurtwise73562 жыл бұрын
If that Chevelle was a 69,70 or 71 with a LS6 the Goat would have lost! 72s were anemic!
@RosemarieCipperley2 ай бұрын
Pontiac were GMs most premium vehicles next to the Cadillacs.
@richardgenerazio52803 ай бұрын
G o a t !!
@bobbyshaftoe2 жыл бұрын
VIC HUBBARD, Speed & Marine! FTW! [@4m52s]
@rayhofmeister6693 Жыл бұрын
Love pontiac gto
@L72Chevelle4272 жыл бұрын
If that Chevelle was a 1970 model it would definitely be a totally different story...
@brianmanners89102 жыл бұрын
Poor Chevelle , not only was it beat 3 times the GTO is better looking too .😎👍🏻
@alexanderhampp64672 жыл бұрын
Nope. Even if they're not that fast, the 71/72 Chevelles are the best looking muscles ever (just my opinion)
@brianmanners89102 жыл бұрын
@@alexanderhampp646771/72 Chevelle best looking Muscle cars ever .😂😂😂 Get your eyes checked .😂🤪😂😂
@alexanderhampp64672 жыл бұрын
@@brianmanners8910 at least, to me it is. The grille (especially the shape of the front in top view), the single headlights, the shape of the roof, the rear bumper with the round lights. The overall proportions of the car are just right. 71 Cuda is nearly as nice.
@evil1stАй бұрын
13 seconds is still fast
@MartinScreeton2 жыл бұрын
Had it been 1970 Chevelle... then things would have been different of course!