Carter Hall: Old Vs New

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[@CentralCalPiper]

The new Carter Hall is one of my favorites!

[@PaladinPiper]

I have to say it is better to me. The journey continues!

[@aromatix5741]

Now you have me interested in trying some of the new versions of these old blends. I have them all but just the older versions. Very true though, don't be afraid to stock up due to availability, change or price.

[@PaladinPiper]

Thanks for watching Jeff!

[@pipeonthemountain]

I agree with you- i enjoyed the new version of CH over the US older version. Was still just OK for me.

[@PaladinPiper]

Yeah so far I’m happy I picked up the tub. We shall see if it grows on me in a few months.

[@brianquilty687]

Have yet to try Carter Hall. Now I wish I had bought a few pouches way back when they were still available.

[@PaladinPiper]

Yep. I understand.

[@jimpm4705]

The changes in the coatings are subtle but noticeable. The older version was a little richer in cocoa sweetness, which I am okay with that difference. But I think the new version is lacking in that wonderful natural Burley leaf sweet sourness that I love, which is a bummer. Interesting note on the moisture and your prognosis seems logical. Also, one that I have found that hits the same mark is H&H's Chatham Manor.

[@PaladinPiper]

I know many guys who li Ed the old CH didn’t care for the new. That’s me on some of the other codgers. Interesting.

[@SmokesaPipe]

Great codger blend analysis, Pat, and looking forward to the shorts coming!

[@PaladinPiper]

Thanks Greg!

[@nathanwolfenbarger4472]

Thanks Pat. Interesting to hear your perspective and thoughts in this comparison.

[@PaladinPiper]

Thanks for watching!

[@907piper9]

The box was my first CH and it was great in my cobs, the tubs were a little different but i enjoy it a lot! I have been trying to make time to get back in the YTPC ao its so good to see you Pat! We're in Anchorage now and looking to buy somewhere in the quieter places out of the city but juat been busy with all the fieldwork for work and then wrangling the little one haha. Hope all is well, smoke something good!

[@PaladinPiper]

Jay it’s sooooo good to hear from you buddy!!!! Hope to see more from you! Homesteading back in AK! Awesome!

[@jespiping]

Looking forward to the shorts😊👍

[@PaladinPiper]

😎

[@GhostCob]

Pally, This was a really good comparison. Hope you are doing well. Keep em burning….

[@PaladinPiper]

Thanks Shawn. 😊

[@DoingitWrong]

Your impression of the new CH vs old is similar to what I get but I prefer the old - the chocolate. They can use glycerin as a humectant as well as PG with the added benefit of a touch more sweetness than PG.

[@PaladinPiper]

That may be what they use in the new batch. Def not vinegar! Haha

[@pipetobak]

Hey Pat, good to see you. I've smoked only the old Carter Hall and I liked it a lot. One of my top three aromatic blends. Take care, Janez

[@PaladinPiper]

Thanks for stopping by Janez!

[@cwhawes]

I very much liked the old Carter Hall from about 20 years ago. Got an ounce of the new stuff from 4Noggins and thought it was horrible. No sweetness whatsoever. And no taste. You are absolutely right: find something you like -- stock up on it. You won't regret it.

[@PaladinPiper]

Yes sir. It may just disappear tomorrow. Thanks for stopping by my friend.

[@carolinarose704]

Thanks for sharing your experiences and expertise! You are a wealth of knowledge!

[@PaladinPiper]

Thank you for watching!

[@carolinarose704]

@@PaladinPiper yes!

[@jtshannon]

I wondered what was up with SWR. It burns my nose it is so sour. I cannot handle it and I love salt and vinegar chips and sour beers.

[@PaladinPiper]

Yeah it’s a shame.

[@chriscon8463]

Ok…I had some old CH (that came from a box) again last night sitting in front of the campfire. I enjoyed it & it was decent, yet it was unremarkable. If I smoked my pipe all day long or frequently, I think it would be a decent all-day smoke. I have a pipe so infrequently, though, that I’d rather smoke something that I really like! So I probably wouldn’t reach for CH regularly, but CH is a good one to have stashed away. I may try the new stuff, too, just to see how it is.

[@PaladinPiper]

I def understand. I have weeks where I can’t have a pipe due to life events and when I do I wanna reach for something I really love.

[@StDavidpipes]

Even my go to SWR changed over the decades. Great video.

[@PaladinPiper]

Yep. Subtle change is no big deal it’s when they do a 180 on me. My autism doesn’t like it. 🤣

[@ParsimoniousPiper]

Haven’t tried the new since I’m still working through the old. We’ll see when this tub runs out.

[@PaladinPiper]

Hahah that may be a while haha

[@ref6122]

Just when I had settled on SWR. and H&H. as my go to codger blends now I gotta try Carter Hall !

[@PaladinPiper]

🫣

[@SouthAlabamaPiper]

Nice chat and comparison. Can’t wait to see the new content. Have a great weekend.

[@PaladinPiper]

Have a great weekend. 😉

[@Roh_Echt]

I had a tub 7oz tub of SWR, from SP, in mid-Feb. 2024, and I returned it for credit. It was so strongly sour and bitter, both in smell and taste, that it wrecked my taste for two days after just one and a partial bowl of it. And then I did begin to notice all of the Codger/OTC blends acquired by STG, that I had gathered since starting in Jan. 2024, have the same hint of vinegar in them. And so I find Carter Hall to be the only Codger blend I enjoy. I threw out my tubs of Paladin, Velvet, Granger, and pouches of Capt. Black and Borkum Riff; both were the original blends. All of which I should've also returned. But I smoked these before the 'SWR-vinegar blend' and just thought "I don't like these at all." Those I threw out didn't have the vinegar smell as much, but the taste of vinegar was there for me.

[@PaladinPiper]

Yep. I find with the other STG blends if you let them air out that essence dies away pretty quick. Not SWR Regular though. I swear they use vinegar as a topping. It’s strong. Makes me sad.

[@Roh_Echt]

@@PaladinPiper I should've done so, tried drying, with all those I tossed out...to give them a chance at least. SWR though....🥴 yes, is quite potent. Not sure if this was an issue that could be corrected. I phoned SP, regarding the SWR before returning it, and they said they are aware of the issue and are crediting buyers. What I don't understand is why they continue selling it...knowing the vinegar is too strongly applied in it. I was sad to try all of those blends I was aware of, for all those years prior to me picking up piping, to discover STG owned them all. And how displeased I was after being excited to try them all. I commented on them all, on SP reviews, and remarked "I don't think STG is doing the Codger/OTC blends, they've acquired, any favors. But for not having tried them prior to their acquisition by STG, I couldn't know. I'll likely avoid buying tubs again...and might try a pouch of all I tossed, except for the SWR, and give them a good drying and retry. BTW, looking forward to the upcoming "Basic Codger Stuff."

[@themichiganpiper6987]

Man. I loved CH when I bought my first box. So I bought a tub and couldn't taste anything. I thought my tastes were. Canging, now I'm wondering if it was the different process.

[@PaladinPiper]

Yeah it’s def a diff experience. Lighter topping etc

[@rickcroucher]

Well, a difference in taste obviously doesn't register with me. I do like CH.

[@PaladinPiper]

🤣 You’ll get there!

[@tamper-proof3703]

When you said bad quality tobacco and bad toppings, I immediately thought of Borkum Riff Bourbon Whiskey. Have a great weekend!

[@PaladinPiper]

Hahahaha yeah

[@carolinarose704]

🤮

[@wheelchairhillbilly]

Interesting video showing the differences. Too bad they got rid of the small ones because I certainly wouldn't buy a big can without trying. It's beyond my understanding why all the codgers can't be made in America anymore. I'm hoping the heavy vinegar SWR was a mistake. I haven't noticed it on the pouches I've had, including the from you, but I do like vinegar.

[@PaladinPiper]

4Noggins has CH in bulk if you want to try it. 😜

[@wheelchairhillbilly]

@PaladinPiper Thanks!

[@yusufsayed1583]

Good Evening 😊 I like Carter Hall 👍🏼 Thanks For Doing the Comparison between the New & Old blends 👏🏼 I like the chocolate flavour 😋 Have a wonderful Memorial weekend ❤ Greetings From South Africa 🇿🇦

[@PaladinPiper]

Thanks for watching Yusuf 😊

[@DougAnderson-br4gh]

Try the Milan’s “Our Prince Albert,” “our Carter Hall,” “our Kentucky Club,” and “our London Dock.” I think you will be satisfied, especially with their PA.

[@PaladinPiper]

I’ll have to try those thanks!!!

[@oldandintheway1955]

Hiyas Pat, I come across 2 fellow YTPCer's videos where they documented horrible experiences with SWR. Overpowering Ammonia vapors coming off the bucket. I have to wonder if there's a quality control issue a foot. KPO ✓ Gary

[@PaladinPiper]

Very possible!

[@arizonawhirlwind]

Oh man hopefully I can get some of this one of these days been wanting to try some of the codger blends.

[@PaladinPiper]

4Noggins has it in bulk I just saw. You can buy just an ounce to try,

[@arizonawhirlwind]

@@PaladinPiper oh cool, thanks for the info I’ll check them out

[@piperken1656]

I agree the old CH is sweeter and the cocoa in not as pronounced in the new stuff. I also think there is more Black Cavendish in the old version. That’s for sharing Pat. Happy smokes

[@PaladinPiper]

Agreed totally! 👍🏻

[@13pipes]

Never had Carter Hall, but I’ve noticed the difference in Prince Albert, the stuff in the older pouches was definitely sweeter and nuttier then the new tubs… I definitely prefer the older PA, but here we go - things aren’t the same anymore! Enjoy your smokes!

[@PaladinPiper]

Yep. Agreed. Things certainly aren’t the same Velin.

[@dagonet1889]

Sounds like i'll have to get myself some of the new stuff and give it a go if it's PaladinPiper approved. 😉 You were talking about how the Danes are using vinegar as a humectant in the codger blends they are now manufacturing. I made a few videos recently talking about how the SWR tin i recently purchased was basically unsmokable, the vinegar smell and taste was so overwhelmingly overpowering. I thought the tobacco was off-gassing ammonia it was so strong. After stoving it a few times and airing it out ALOT it seems to be smokeable now. Maybe there was a batch that had the "vinegar humectant applicator nozzle" stuck open for a bit too long, and basically turned it into picked tobacco! lol Anyways thanks for the insight my friend, I had no idea they were actually using vinegar in their recipe...that explains alot. I most certainly will not be buying anymore SWR if this is just how it is made now. Cheers! -Andre

[@PaladinPiper]

Vinegar nozzle stuck! That’s a great way of putting it!!!!! Yeah I don’t mind subtle changes in blends, after all it’s a natural product but when they go and do some random craziness like that! 🤢 Very off putting.

[@preston7999]

Great video, I’m smoking some codger corner(old stock) as I watch this. I was wondering if you have mixed any up with the new H&H and SWR. Maybe would be a good video. Have a great holiday weekend😊.

[@PaladinPiper]

Yep, have some aging as I type! I’m hoping the vinegar on the SWR has evaporated enough to not overpower it.

[@preston7999]

@@PaladinPiper thats what I’m worried about as well.

[@wheelchairhillbilly]

​@PaladinPiper I would love to see a report on your results.

[@timberdrifter8225]

Ive always had a strange relationship with carter hall. Id always smoke a few pouches during the summer but eventually it would become cloying and i just didn't want it. Haven't tried the new stuff. I opened another 7oz tub of sir walt after finishing my last one. Holy crap! This has even more vinegar. Its unsmokable. They screwed something up bad. Its 💩. I watch pat mac also. I'll be curious to see another pat doing basic codger stuff.

[@PaladinPiper]

Yeah I’m hoping this journey will help Me like it More. SWR may be dead ☠️

[@CurmudgeonPiper]

Love some CH. I smoked a bowl in a Medico while watching this. Lol I am very thankful that some scoundrel loaded me up on it 3-4 years ago. Btw…I am not interested in your shorts. That’s just disturbing!

[@PaladinPiper]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 hey at least they aren’t thongs!

[@CurmudgeonPiper]

@@PaladinPiper Exactly. Dont be stealing my thunder, Dadgummit 😁

[@OldUncleMike]

I’m still on the hunt for great aros. Super flavored. Not much luck. My palate is not good at all. I watch all the reviews & hear all the stuff everybody says they can taste but me….nada. Got any favorites to suggest? 👍😃☀️🌵

[@PaladinPiper]

Man, strongest aro I have tried was chocolate eclair

[@OldUncleMike]

I have that one !!!! Just haven’t tried it yet. Thanks !

[@pickingandpiping]

Maybe I’ll try the new Carter hall. Wasn’t a big fan of the old one.

[@PaladinPiper]

The new is def better in my opinion.

[@adyb1970]

pat we dont even get carter hall in the uk lol 😀

[@PaladinPiper]

Stupid laws. We don’t have HU tobaccos here but that may change. Hopefully it will be a two way street for CH for you guys!

[@HoosierCodger]

How well do those tubs seal? I wonder if they need jarred up.

[@PaladinPiper]

They actually seal pretty darn well. Now if you are a slow smoker I’d def jar it up.

[@GrabowDuke89]

Vinegar is a cheap way to raise PH, in order to keep mold from growing. Yuk

[@PaladinPiper]

Yes yuk

[@Rick-fz7tt]

Do you still like the new half and half?

[@PaladinPiper]

Yes sir!

[@Rick-fz7tt]

@@PaladinPiper 👍

[@richdorak1547]

SP ? ( new here )

[@PaladinPiper]

Smokingpipes. I can’t put links…sorry. Welcome to the community!

[@richdorak1547]

@@PaladinPiper appreciate it . Will look them up .