Case 104: Mark and John

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@drewmadenew3000
@drewmadenew3000 5 жыл бұрын
This podcast is the most underrated channel on KZbin. You guys are brilliant.
@AMYV3
@AMYV3 3 жыл бұрын
👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼. Right on point ❤️❤️🇨🇦
@Andrew-ri5qo
@Andrew-ri5qo 3 жыл бұрын
They are the best.
@bekkismith5643
@bekkismith5643 Жыл бұрын
But recognised on podcasts
@geordangullock1237
@geordangullock1237 4 жыл бұрын
Now I've been known to be pretty gullible in my time, but I draw the line at getting someone pregnant without ever coming into contact with them.
@gabriellahedarv1782
@gabriellahedarv1782 3 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@nickykeightley9355
@nickykeightley9355 3 жыл бұрын
@Bobby Friday you naughty boi, you😁😇😇😇
@Madhouse_Media
@Madhouse_Media Ай бұрын
I can think of a scenario where that would be completely possible, but it involves a third party, a turkey baster, and the commission of at least three felonies that I can think of, and likely several more.
@donnablack6280
@donnablack6280 4 жыл бұрын
I'm going to hell for crying with laughter at some of this. The Queen entrusting some 14 yr old kid from Manchester with the combination to a safe full of treasure 😂😂😂
@klientproby
@klientproby 2 жыл бұрын
I'm also on my way to hell. I was also laughing at the part in which "Agent Janet" mentioned the Queen and the PM.
@MM91845
@MM91845 Жыл бұрын
When it got to the code “6969” I couldn’t hold back my laughter any longer.
@nicoleburns345
@nicoleburns345 Жыл бұрын
Literally that stupid when chatrooms came out...hes not the only one sadly...at least there is more awareness around these storys for the kids now
@cordrust
@cordrust 6 ай бұрын
rachel west disappears and then a few weeks later lindsey east appears 😂
@Vortigan07
@Vortigan07 Жыл бұрын
This is, without a shadow of doubt, just about the most bizarre story I've ever heard!!! Honestly, at one point I had to check the upload date, wondering if it had been April 1st!! We've all been taken in at some point or other, we've all had moments of gullibility, but this is next level and then some!! Absolutely unreal!!
@joediesen1
@joediesen1 5 жыл бұрын
The Mark kid was beyond naive. His BS meter should have gone off very early on. And wasn't John introduced to him as the step brother of the hot girl (John) he met who was later murdered? Then the girl showed up again claiming to be pregnant before disappearing forever? Did Mark ever ask John about her?
@NIN1
@NIN1 3 жыл бұрын
Janet Dobbinson specified that even though she was in her forties, she was still "very sexy" 😂😂😂
@brendanquinn6894
@brendanquinn6894 5 ай бұрын
@@NIN1 Apparently it is true. Even if you are really old like that you can be attractive.
@origshoegal
@origshoegal 2 ай бұрын
Yeah, JUST IMAGINE! An outrage! Women in their 40's STILL "being sexy"! 🤔😏
@shad0wfir3
@shad0wfir3 6 жыл бұрын
This is the saddest thing ever... on so many levels :(
@peterlightning9235
@peterlightning9235 5 жыл бұрын
I was never this dumb when I was a young teen.
@katieb.1184
@katieb.1184 3 жыл бұрын
Well. The did say he was exceptionally naive? Not everyone has the same environment to teach them what to be cautious of online. And in the early 2000s, there wasn't as much info out about catfishing and lies. I'm a couple years older than them and I'm pretty sure I believed a few fake identities back then. Hell, I'm almost 35 now and I wouldn't be shocked to hear some of my Fandom friends are faking things too. Granted... Murder is another topic entirely.
@mikelittle1715
@mikelittle1715 3 жыл бұрын
@Tammy Allen I don't know him and I agree. I don't know anyone lives being this stupid.
@VladRadu-tq1pg
@VladRadu-tq1pg 11 ай бұрын
mark was 16 in 2003,,so nowdays he s 36, and you are 37, how tf are you a couple of years older ffs ? also this whole chatroom shit is beyond me , i was born in 95 and we had yahoo messenger, i don t even understand what thes chatrooms were. nvm no 16 years old should be that dumb@@katieb.1184
@Madhouse_Media
@Madhouse_Media Ай бұрын
I was waaaaaay dumber than this when I was a young teen. Fortunately I never crossed paths with anyone manipulative.
@jamiedawson7060
@jamiedawson7060 4 жыл бұрын
That case was BONKERS!! Absolutely insane and unbelievable!!
@merncat75
@merncat75 4 жыл бұрын
I remember A/S/L I hated that "greeting" so gross
@ldg1414
@ldg1414 11 ай бұрын
Only scammers use it now
@claudiapaz3718
@claudiapaz3718 5 жыл бұрын
Unlike other cases, nobody died in this one, but is without a doubt the creepiest one I've listen
@naomiledger1374
@naomiledger1374 10 ай бұрын
I could see the writing on the wall very early in this story so wasn't surprised when it turned out to be all of John's hand. It was somewhat reminiscent of another story whereby a schoolboy was groomed online by someone with a fantastical story only to end up killed. It's horrifying and for parents it must be a total nightmare bc the restrictions they can place are very limited these days with so much access available to kids via various social media and IT equipment. I was stunned that "Mark" didn't seem to cotton on that something was bogus, and was so willing to overlook anything that was a bit odd. I'm glad they both survived. I'm glad the judge was so sensible in his/her findings. And I hope both John and Mark have managed to grow and live happier fulfilling lives. It makes me wonder if all young teens are that malleable, no matter how clever or advanced or mature they seem to be? It's really frightening.
@KirstyCampbell22
@KirstyCampbell22 5 жыл бұрын
Listening to this episode for the third time. Such an insane case. You covered it brilliantly💙
@CasefileTrueCrimePodcast
@CasefileTrueCrimePodcast 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@bluechurch776
@bluechurch776 10 күн бұрын
I've never been in a chat room. The first time I saw one on a friend's computer, I had a bad feeling. This story was over the top. Well done.
@SerTasera
@SerTasera 3 жыл бұрын
This is the most batshit insane catfishing story I've ever heard.
@11Shot111
@11Shot111 6 жыл бұрын
Gotta Say, you do the best job! Love your work, the amount of research you put in and how the story is retold. Haven't found anything as good as yours! Cheers for the work you put in!
@aleeburitz7310
@aleeburitz7310 3 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for all your videos and time!
@hannaphe6250
@hannaphe6250 4 жыл бұрын
I feel bad for Mark. But he really was a bit slow wasnt he?
@mariannairam2218
@mariannairam2218 3 жыл бұрын
or he was just simply lonely so he catch a bait
@VladRadu-tq1pg
@VladRadu-tq1pg 11 ай бұрын
lol no, just because you re lonely, which mark wasn t, doesn t mea that your brain can be that dumb. he was 166 ffs, thats not a small kid@@mariannairam2218
@faithackett3228
@faithackett3228 6 жыл бұрын
HOLY CRAP THATS INSANE
@sfletch3042
@sfletch3042 5 жыл бұрын
I know he is just a kid but I cant fathom anyone being this gullible and naive. Smh. And this catfish pos is a freaking sociopath! My GOD!
@darbyandmichaelhanson7652
@darbyandmichaelhanson7652 4 жыл бұрын
you know you're old when ASL had to be explained so viewers knew.
@hilarysettle227
@hilarysettle227 4 жыл бұрын
Darbles Elise Hanson haha that brought back memories
@mikelittle1715
@mikelittle1715 3 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@Jolenesmart1980
@Jolenesmart1980 3 жыл бұрын
Haha yup!
@VladRadu-tq1pg
@VladRadu-tq1pg 11 ай бұрын
what s asl ? i was born in 95, and growing up we just had yahoo messenger , hi5 and then when we reached hs facebook here in romania
@darbyandmichaelhanson7652
@darbyandmichaelhanson7652 11 ай бұрын
@@VladRadu-tq1pg Age/Sex/Location
@zoo2263
@zoo2263 3 жыл бұрын
Wow! That is off the charts bonkers. Brilliant listen thanks for uploading.
@garrethgoodworth2494
@garrethgoodworth2494 3 жыл бұрын
My favorite of all of your covered cases.
@yukiefromoz2573
@yukiefromoz2573 5 жыл бұрын
Wow, what a story huh. Interesting how the older boy was the gullible one, but the younger boy was quite intelligent for his age.
@rodericksloan1255
@rodericksloan1255 6 жыл бұрын
As always Casefile Great thank you.
@karen81986
@karen81986 5 жыл бұрын
My favourite podcast
@Pillock25
@Pillock25 Жыл бұрын
Mark and John aren't their real names? Now I feel just as gullible as "Mark". "A payment of £80 million and sexual favours" Wow.
@myathewolfeh1156
@myathewolfeh1156 5 ай бұрын
"Rachel West" and "Lindsay East"? Good lord, this kid was gullible.
@lovehearts8486
@lovehearts8486 6 жыл бұрын
Fabulous work! Well done and thank you
@chezchez2005
@chezchez2005 4 жыл бұрын
I’m from Altrincham and similar age to Mark and I don’t remember this being widely publicised considering the story (I suppose due to protecting their identities ; although “John’s” real name is available with a simple google search); truly bizarre! Casefile you do an amazing job, I’ve seen some of these cases previously on other KZbin videos but I am always compelled to listen to your narrative ; great listening and always has me hooked from beginning to end
@angelabordack
@angelabordack 5 жыл бұрын
Holy crap! This case is insane. This is an epic example of catfish!
@texastea5686
@texastea5686 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely ridiculous..... im glad I've always been a suspicious person and kinda skeptical
@andrewhunter2520
@andrewhunter2520 5 жыл бұрын
That boy ain't right
@MissWoman1
@MissWoman1 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah I'm sitting here thinking "There is something wrong with that boy...and it's a pretty BIG SOMETHING WRONG!" I mean I was over 16 when the internet became a big thing and yeah there was alot of naivete of first time users back then but in 2003...That's only 2 YEARS after 9/11 when cyber crimes were big news cos of the 'terrorist this' and terrorist that' and 'hacking this' and 'hacking that' so how the f**k could a 16 year old NOT know about chat room 'dangers' - it was taught in schools back then🥴😯🥴😯🥴 I mean even if the kid was mainly sports orientated he would've been taught about what a MINOR can do and what an ADULT can do so he should've known at 16 years old he couldn't even sign a government employee contract...even watching James Bond movies you see there are NO 16 year old spy's😫😤😫😤
@pkloveskp5477
@pkloveskp5477 3 жыл бұрын
Both Hank Hill and I agree 😂
@hopeharder6749
@hopeharder6749 3 жыл бұрын
Which boy? Lol They both have huge issues.
@belladonna5904
@belladonna5904 3 жыл бұрын
Something is really wrong with John. He basically manipulated Mark into having sex with him on top of all the other things..really predatory behavior. I would say the only victim here is Mark.
@nesadcruz7840
@nesadcruz7840 2 жыл бұрын
Unbelievable that a kid could weave such a web
@robyn7287
@robyn7287 5 ай бұрын
Actually only a kid could come up with this type of batshit stuff.
@fireflamewolfs4216
@fireflamewolfs4216 5 жыл бұрын
Love your channel!
@CasefileTrueCrimePodcast
@CasefileTrueCrimePodcast 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@julieblackstock8650
@julieblackstock8650 4 жыл бұрын
WTF, I live in England and I never heard about this...Crazy
@mattcollins2848
@mattcollins2848 5 ай бұрын
Probably didn’t get much media coverage like other cases due to the double permanent name suppression. Then again a case this bizarre you’d think it’d be more widely known. I’m from the north west and still only heard of this from podcasts 😮
@brendanquinn6894
@brendanquinn6894 7 ай бұрын
I never knew Queen Elizabeth would get involved in such things ! Well I never!
@Babblecat3000
@Babblecat3000 4 жыл бұрын
Just shows, high grades don't equal intelligence.
@VladRadu-tq1pg
@VladRadu-tq1pg 11 ай бұрын
no shit. high grades just mean that you re a nerd and sometimes that you re actualy smart
@JR-xw5nv
@JR-xw5nv 2 жыл бұрын
This is the craziest case I've ever heard of.
@christopherjameslee3341
@christopherjameslee3341 Жыл бұрын
It appears to be a very thin line between naivety and stupidity.
@Stoate
@Stoate 3 жыл бұрын
oh my god mark MARK! COME ON MARK
@SHurd-rc2go
@SHurd-rc2go 3 жыл бұрын
It's unbelievable.
@theheroine177
@theheroine177 4 жыл бұрын
Oh wow! I have a hard time even hearing anyone could be that gullible .... 😢😰
@loritracy1385
@loritracy1385 3 жыл бұрын
Wow. Great job. Thank you. 🌺
@kevintravelPH
@kevintravelPH 2 жыл бұрын
This is INSANE.
@theheroine177
@theheroine177 4 жыл бұрын
Kid should have became a screenwriter
@user-mt4ku7jw1y
@user-mt4ku7jw1y 6 ай бұрын
Im pissing myself laughing at Mark 😅😅😅
@thelastperfectman4139
@thelastperfectman4139 4 жыл бұрын
Really, how gullible can someone be?
@SlimSlashie
@SlimSlashie 7 ай бұрын
20ish minutes is... What level of catfish is this? Like 8 at least, eh? Seriously you're meeting a dude who's sister you're MADLY in love with, but can't ever actually meet the sister? I mean I've heard of suckers, hell I've been a sucker, but this got my BS meter pegged.
@SlimSlashie
@SlimSlashie 7 ай бұрын
Holy smokes the girl is a junior MI6 spy?! LOL I'm a seal, yeah well I'm SAS, oh yeah? I'm MI6 b!tch! LOLOLOLZ The online version of "my dad can beat up your dad."
@SlimSlashie
@SlimSlashie 7 ай бұрын
"You can meet the queen! And tony blair!" Shoot this is 2000s? Probably would rather meet limp bizcuit or Kid Rock... lolol Hang on, Titanic is at the bottom of the Atlantic ocean too, it's unreachable! How the F... A safe with beeeeelions of dollars. Man this kid is above and beyond gullible at this point. I officially lost sympathy for him. Hope he isn't the stabbed up kid.
@SlimSlashie
@SlimSlashie 7 ай бұрын
PLOT TWIST! Holy F what an absolute goat rodeo these kid's lives are. The police woman was stumped at one point. lol Shows what level of intelligence you need to get into the police force these days... I don't know weather to laugh or cry, but this is entertainment right here. Excellent story.
@christinaperrigo
@christinaperrigo Жыл бұрын
Heartbreaking.
@Kaladin07
@Kaladin07 9 ай бұрын
This isn't real. I refuse to believe it lmao
@Stoate
@Stoate 3 жыл бұрын
lol i don't wanna be harsh but come ON mark ffs
@hankjones7054
@hankjones7054 4 жыл бұрын
You can actually quite easily find the real identity of John online and look at their Instagram account.
@kass_G59
@kass_G59 4 жыл бұрын
Do you recall what his username is on Insta? Or his full name to look him up?
@kiki29073
@kiki29073 4 жыл бұрын
@@kass_G59 Daniel lomas is real name. Haven't looked up hisnIG though myself. He would be 31 now.
@kass_G59
@kass_G59 4 жыл бұрын
kim mcdonald Thank you!
@Jasmineliketheflower
@Jasmineliketheflower 4 жыл бұрын
@@kass_G59 Did you find his Instagram with that name?
@kass_G59
@kass_G59 4 жыл бұрын
@@Jasmineliketheflower Unfortunately not :/
@KenyanBunnie
@KenyanBunnie 5 жыл бұрын
I remember watching this case on one of those true crime shows and I couldnt believe it! But since then I have watched a few cases of murders committed by someone whom was tricked into doing so by their online loves. And a few were adults being tricked by other adults. I have had my own bad experiences when I was a teen to my early 20s in chatrooms. Even being groomed, naked pics taken, by a man who lied about his age, turned out he was about 3 times older...SMFH. I was 16 and believed in fairytales.
@naomiledger1374
@naomiledger1374 10 ай бұрын
I know most commenters here are incredulous, and rightly so, but they also mock when I think it's really scary and sad what happened in this case and in many others, such as your own. Parents of these kids must feel utterly powerless. I think it's easy for us in this modern world to assume kids know more than they do, but I think no matter how much they're exposed to, they still only have a minimal number of years of life experience (as young teens) and are still very naive. Something needs to change big time.
@anitaholst7671
@anitaholst7671 Ай бұрын
John ... he is dangerous. Can't believe he wasn't sentenced.
@chideranwosu6898
@chideranwosu6898 Ай бұрын
Mark 🤝 most blunt knife on the block.
@tiarnan76
@tiarnan76 3 жыл бұрын
Mark: Hi Lindsey glad u finally logged on.... Lindsey: Mark I need to tell u something...I'm an invisible alien from the galaxy Flaptopia..and I'm on secret mission to earth... Mark: oh, ok... Lindsey: I really wana tell u what my mission is Mark....would u like to know about it? Mark: Yeh I guess so... Lindsey: Great - but in order for me to tell u, I need u to turn your webcam on n have a big hairy w@nk - can u do that mark - can u have a big hairy w@nk on camera so I can tell u about my secret alien agent mission on earth? Mark: ziiiiiiiip........
@veronikapelzmannova9967
@veronikapelzmannova9967 Жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@stee8345
@stee8345 8 ай бұрын
Best comment I've ever read 😂😂😂
@daz350
@daz350 5 жыл бұрын
Well that didn’t turn out like I thought it was going to. I have to lol at the way John got Mark to engage in sexual acts with him... “you must make him look gay” 🤣🤣🤣 I bet John couldn’t believe how well he orchestrated that.
@starroddy5588
@starroddy5588 5 жыл бұрын
daz350 And he ‘incited murder of himself.’ I didn’t want to laugh but I couldn’t help it. Lord have mercy!
@mikelittle1715
@mikelittle1715 3 жыл бұрын
Did these boys parents have any children that lived past birth?
@Fallen_Venus
@Fallen_Venus Жыл бұрын
Never heard of this case, and I live in the area!
@MsLilsweets
@MsLilsweets 22 күн бұрын
Ok this is just too bizarre....
@philfluther2713
@philfluther2713 5 ай бұрын
"I went to rest myself into a room full of fine old paintings; the first of which, when I examined it, and it was large, was of an old surgeon dying by dissecting himself! It was worse than dissecting -tearing: and with circumstances of horror about the treatment into which I will not enter" scene from nightmare dream of John Ruskin 27th. Dec. 1875.
@leahstone9308
@leahstone9308 Жыл бұрын
Ultimate Mark
@MM91845
@MM91845 Жыл бұрын
What did I just listen to!?!?
@KathleenCalhoun-em6ys
@KathleenCalhoun-em6ys 6 ай бұрын
After hearing about Kevin, I suspect that Rachel and he are the same person. Bail out now.These are the dangers of the Internet. I am bailing out myself after hearing about Lindsay. How could John and Mark not know! Sounds like more B.S. from "Kevin."
@rmooreg
@rmooreg 3 жыл бұрын
Compared to Mark, a brick is like Albert Einstein, Or else John could sell snow to Eskimo's. They both could have been successful politicians.
@redfire20003
@redfire20003 Жыл бұрын
Bizzare....what a story
@rapitup45
@rapitup45 5 жыл бұрын
I tentatively suggest the case of Cherish Perriwinkle because of the 🇦🇺🇦🇺connection. I say tentative because i also know how truly disturbing it was and the way it impacted me.
@Anneh1fd
@Anneh1fd 5 жыл бұрын
I am from Stockport and I have never heard of this case! But Stockport is definitely not an afluent area, trust me.
@marieyatestaylor5732
@marieyatestaylor5732 4 жыл бұрын
Wow! And Wow!
@jsmith5509
@jsmith5509 Жыл бұрын
John was a brilliant child! He could use that brain for so much good!!!
@Madeleinewith3Es
@Madeleinewith3Es Ай бұрын
I would have been around middle school aged for this, and even then we were being told about people lying about their identies in chat rooms? I know the kid was young but damn either no one was talking about online caution there yet or he was super naive (I remember when I was eleven, a friend was joking about pretending to be older and someone else, but also she wasn't actually going to meet up with anyone irl or get too serious because that wasn't her personality)
@redbeki
@redbeki 5 ай бұрын
Is John still being monitored online I wonder? I hope so .
@alecdruckenmiller4409
@alecdruckenmiller4409 5 жыл бұрын
Who’s here from Reddit?
@lexschrauwen6553
@lexschrauwen6553 5 жыл бұрын
Alec Druckenmiller hahah just read the article
@chefboyardee8542
@chefboyardee8542 5 жыл бұрын
Woop woop
@cainification
@cainification 5 жыл бұрын
I am a person who is here from Reddit
@nickdaboii
@nickdaboii 5 жыл бұрын
I'm late but yeah
@aminashaikh2331
@aminashaikh2331 2 жыл бұрын
i found John's photo as well as his real name. full name. so much for protecting identities haha. you don't have to look that far on the internet.
@chloeew4627
@chloeew4627 2 жыл бұрын
James Pond…. Bloody dill
@lenafranklin7262
@lenafranklin7262 3 жыл бұрын
At the beginning I am thinking that Rachel west doesn't exist. It's John I'm thinking
@thedisabledwelshman9266
@thedisabledwelshman9266 2 жыл бұрын
a fourteen year old spy? yea right.
@ilznidiotic
@ilznidiotic 3 ай бұрын
007: Licence to Derp
@angelacharlebois6567
@angelacharlebois6567 19 күн бұрын
Oh..bless his heart❤️ Kid had the I.Q of a potted plant😬
@sirhillarybillary
@sirhillarybillary 8 ай бұрын
I think maybe this is a meet cute? Theyre clearly made for each other lolol
@cynthiagibson3069
@cynthiagibson3069 3 жыл бұрын
Can anybody really be that clueless?
@janicekamalski5938
@janicekamalski5938 2 жыл бұрын
Omg did Mark grow up in Lilliput or something.? Dude, you believed that at 14 or 16 or whatever? I don't know if it means he was really really coddled or not really bright or both. I mean I know it's sad and in his own way he isa victim but God damn, really?
@danmac73
@danmac73 Жыл бұрын
This is too f'kd up 😮
@secularbeast1751
@secularbeast1751 4 жыл бұрын
Wow, that's quite a tale, CP, mind blown.
@Tina06019
@Tina06019 21 күн бұрын
This is BONKERS.
@erinsaxton83
@erinsaxton83 3 жыл бұрын
not the sharpest knife in the draw is he
@malovela
@malovela Жыл бұрын
*drawer...
@thedisabledwelshman9266
@thedisabledwelshman9266 2 жыл бұрын
whats all this missing in action guff? its not a bloody war
@xWILZTAx
@xWILZTAx 4 жыл бұрын
GULLIBLE
@radityaa5076
@radityaa5076 2 жыл бұрын
Ewing HD bring me to this podcast
@MichaelBrown50000
@MichaelBrown50000 3 жыл бұрын
This really is a story that reveals the extent of human stupidity. Stupid always deserves what stupid gets.
@brendajstevens3719
@brendajstevens3719 2 жыл бұрын
👏👏👏
@meganmatushik85
@meganmatushik85 3 жыл бұрын
U should cover michelle carter the texting suiside case.
@starroddy5588
@starroddy5588 5 жыл бұрын
OMG!
@loribellusci7047
@loribellusci7047 3 жыл бұрын
Oo
@mustafadiaa8251
@mustafadiaa8251 Жыл бұрын
😂😂
@lenafranklin7262
@lenafranklin7262 3 жыл бұрын
Alissa was killed by her step father. SOLVED
@Adawg420
@Adawg420 5 жыл бұрын
not sure i believe this one...also happens to not be verifiable due to the gag order...
@41mortiz
@41mortiz 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah nobody knows their complete name, how their face look like? Usually we could see at least the pic of the criminals
@dhanishayaz1025
@dhanishayaz1025 3 жыл бұрын
The gay guy that was behind all the accounts is called Daniel Lomas , someone help me find mark ?
@MichaelS-yu7dt
@MichaelS-yu7dt 3 жыл бұрын
i found a pic of daniel now i’m pretty sure idk if it’s him looks like a older version of the young pic, can’t find nothing on mark tho
@caterpillakilla
@caterpillakilla 2 жыл бұрын
i dont get it
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