Case 150 vs Allis HD41 Dozer Exhibition tug-of-war. Albany Pioneer Days 2024

[@lyman5313]

As a member of crowd control for the event yes the dozzer was dead weight. Was not in gear during the pull

[@RJ1999x]

It has 0 chance the 41 wouldn't destroy the case

[@robertschmidt9296]

I noticed that the tracks never moved forward.

[@RJ1999x]

@@robertschmidt9296 it was in neutral

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Cool. Some 30 years ago we were at Wauseon and they chained a big Russell to a Steiger. That green machine bounced backwards down the track!

[@crazydave4455]

@@ThatOliverGuyChris when that Allis was released it was the biggest dozer available. It out weights the Case by a lot, they basically used it to load the Case to the max (to stop it) to demonstrate its power. Case 150 75000 pounds, Allis is around 129000 pounds.

[@carolinemcnabb9957]

Case 150s are too valuable for this kind of foolishness Crowd was too close in case something snapped

[@b.butcher82]

It's not an original 150 and there's no way that cable was going to snap. Dummy.

[@CushmanDavis-z4b]

I believe that this Case 150 is a replica. There were none in existence in the last 50 years until this was built. The owner got the specs from Case and cast the parts and assembled it from scratch.

[@donnythomas0078]

Karen ...

[@TehButterflyEffect]

This is an exhibition. It's staged and rehearsed beforehand.

[@pcsmachineworks]

Having seen this 150 in person twice now and meeting its owner, I'm sure he is more than aware of the risks. And having built this entire machine from scratch by blueprints, I'm sure he is more than capable of making any any replacement parts needed should anything fail.

[@GosselinFarmsEdGosselin]

Pretty cool! Very interesting!! Thank you Dave!!

[@crazydave4455]

@@GosselinFarmsEdGosselin have to hand it to Kory, he isn’t afraid to push that steamer to its max (broken parts territory) to put on a show! If you are unfamiliar with it, it’s worth a quick read. Largest traction engine ever built. None survived, he basically built it from scratch. Took 10 years to complete.

[@GosselinFarmsEdGosselin]

@@crazydave4455 I've seen a few videos of him researching and some of the build.. he did an AWESOME job!!!

[@crazydave4455]

He and his dad (Kory & Kevin) are great folks, they take their toys out, run them, share them. His dad took me for a cruise in his Stanley Steam car a few years ago at Rollag. Six figure car, out in the mud strangers climbing on it. All about the experience, they bring it. 👍

[@GosselinFarmsEdGosselin]

@@crazydave4455 that's awesome! What a privilege to experience!!!

[@Nudnik1]

Dozer not even trying to pull. Being careful not to break Case. Both awesome machines.

[@Hogger280]

The Allis is just playing with the Case - is has more ground contact and weighs 54,000 lbs more.

[@crazydave4455]

@@Hogger280 Yep. Have to give Kory credit for working the heck out of the old Case !

[@londolly]

not to mention way way more horsepower too

[@southafricanwithaphone4657]

Horsepower is the last factor here.

[@pinesedgefarm1155]

It was cool to see, sure drew a crowd. It was nice chatting with you.

[@crazydave4455]

@@pinesedgefarm1155 good to catch up Erik!

[@frankwurth5375]

Good way to break things!

[@crazydave4455]

For sure, there are some videos out there from the Case side, that thing was bouncing and clawing. He built it to use and definitely puts on a show. Pulled 50 plow bottoms the other year at the Andover show.

[@rickarmstrong4704]

Well that was a spot of Fun to be sure, as much as I wished the Case to Win I knew from the start it did not stand a even the tiniest of a chance even if it holds a record for the most plows in action! but One would have been Lucky to be a Witness to this in Person just the same! Thanks!

[@crazydave4455]

@@rickarmstrong4704 Kory puts on a show! Most would not risk breaking a traction engine that took them 10 years to build. Especially with a 54000 pound disadvantage.

[@kathykapsner3897]

Like a couple of trains! So do they take turns and measure or something. I can’t imagine they would just pull against each other because they would just wreck their machines wouldn’t they??

[@crazydave4455]

@@kathykapsner3897 It was more of an exhibition to demonstrate what the Case can do. The dozer has a huge advantage in weight and traction, but it’s about the only piece of equipment there that can safely stop and hold the case without breaking something.

[@USMC1984]

That is impressive!!! 120 year old technology against a 50 year old technology and giving up 30+ tons in weight and tracks against wheels!!

[@londolly]

it wasnt against nothing , the dozer wasnt even in gear , wake up and get real]

[@USMC1984]

@@londolly get a life

[@southafricanwithaphone4657]

​@@londolly😂 didnt even rev not once gave a black smoke to say helo.be a fool to think ant tractor would pull a dozer

[@perceive8159]

Entertainment for sure, but a no-brainer with the outcome 😊

[@bmad1386]

What CAT dozer is equivalent(roughly) in weight to the dozer shown here?

[@crazydave4455]

@@bmad1386 somewhere between a D9 & D10. More power and weight than a D9 but less than a D10.

[@wiyonoagus4609]

Cat D10N

[@ralfie8801]

It should be obvious from the start that the prairie locomotive would lose just for the simple fact that it is a direct drive machine going up against a viscous drive machine ( uses a torque converter for power transfer to the drivetrain ), all that needed to happen was for the direct drive machine to stall out, which it did several times. Then the other losing factor is the dozer has a 50K pound plus weight advantage.

[@crazydave4455]

@@ralfie8801 And hitch height. But a fun exhibition nonetheless.

[@ralfie8801]

@@crazydave4455 It’s been my experience that hitch height matters when things are hooked close, and not a whole lot when they’re hooked 20 feet apart as in this case. The height advantage was mostly mitigated in my opinion.

[@crazydave4455]

@@ralfie8801 still pulls up and unloads the lower hooked and pulls down on the higher hooked, won’t matter here with the weight and traction difference.

[@ralfie8801]

@@crazydave4455 You’re right, just saying the farther apart they are while hooked lessens the up and down forces because of the long angle of the pull. They’d be a lot less than if hooked 2 feet apart. I learned a lot while operating heavy equipment in a gravel pit. We used to hook as short as possible when a stuck machine needed to be lifted while being pulled out. :)

[@londolly]

plus a whole lot more horsepower you forgot to mention

[@bmad1386]

I find it quite relieving that the dozer side was actually trying it's best not to strain the ol' Case too much 😊 We know the Case is strong, but it's not beating the more modern and heavy blob of steel that is a dozer.

[@Noelzsazsa]

86 metric tons the HD 41 i transported one many times we took off the blade and rippers

[@mfitzgerald130]

Crazy crowd standing anywhere near the tow rope.

[@crackerbarrel6965]

Click bait. This isn’t a tug-of war. It’s a Case steam tractor pulling a bulldozer.

[@crazydave4455]

Description states exactly what it is. Dozer has a 54k weight advantage, used to load and stop the 150 and pulls it backwards at one point.

[@peepiseal]

“Go easy on old grandpa”

[@cs-gj3yf]

if the cable angle was level or pulling down on the case, i bet it wouldve looked alot different

[@Circlotron]

Cable should be horizontal. Because it is sloping upward from the Case, under tension it tends to reduce the weight on it's rear wheels and so reduce traction.

[@brycewiborg8095]

What day did that happen ? I was there Friday. I felt privilege to have seen the 150.

[@crazydave4455]

@@brycewiborg8095 Saturday evening. They were running it round giving rides, quite the machine!

[@johnfearnley7712]

The Case is a wonderful machine and a tribute to its maker, but it didn't stand a chance in this tug of war. The crowd was far too close to the cable too - if it had snapped it could have cut someone in half. I once pulled a stuck 360 digger out of a lagoon with one of our Cat D8s and the cable I used (a lot thicker than the one in this vid) actually smoked with the tension on it (presumably because I had kept it well oiled)..

[@justinanderson9126]

What a beast.

[@crazydave4455]

@@justinanderson9126 which one? Both!

[@justinanderson9126]

@@crazydave4455 the old 150.

[@NeilEnvySA]

Jerome Increase Case 🇺🇲 American Made. I've been in Love with Steam since my Dad was Engineer on Railways. I Agree. Case 150 is too Valuable of a Machine to be doing this Tug of War. NV. South Africa 🇿🇦

[@ericthatcher3462]

It didn’t appear to me that the Cat was even trying to pull against the Case. I think that they just let it pull the Cat backwards which is still a lot because of its weight. No tracks digging in and showing any slippage and not sound of a diesel raving and pulling and no significant diesel exhaust under load gives it away. No doubt they didn’t want to tear anything up. I’m surprised that they used a relatively small and long cable. I f it had snapped it could possibly have taken out a considerable portion of the closely gathered crowd. We always used a heavy chain for hard pulls whenever possible for safety.

[@crazydave4455]

@@ericthatcher3462 Yep. It was more of an exhibition pull, to load the Case to its max. The dozer has a huge weight and traction advantage, and is about the only piece of equipment there that can stop the Case without breaking something. They put a mat on the cable, but still dangerous. I stayed clear.

[@lyman5313]

As a member of crowd control for the event yes the dozzer was dead weight. Was not in gear during the pull

[@bradjenkins932]

What Cat?

[@RJ1999x]

​@@bradjenkins932Allis Chalmers 👍

[@gilbertomoreira7019]

O motor desse fiatallis hd41 é cummins ?

[@crazydave4455]

Yea, 1710 CI V-12 Cummins 524 HP

[@gilbertomoreira7019]

@@crazydave4455 obrigado parceiro DEUS ABENÇOE 🙌🙏🤝👍😁

[@brentwelin3612]

Dont worry about the cable i would be worried about the steam boiler flying apart old steel under pressure kaa-boom

[@crazydave4455]

@@brentwelin3612 It’s a recreation of the largest traction engine ever made, the Case 150. Cool build worth checking out, so it’s new. Besides that in MN you have to have a hobbiest boilers license to operate in public and it’s subject to state inspections. So no cracks and working pressure reliefs.

[@kh2140]

I would like to drive both.

[@BeeLineEast]

Just be careful with that cable I worked in a steel mill and if they snap under extreme weight stress and can kill you. Cool video otherwise.

[@robertschmidt9296]

That's what I was thinking. The people in the case had a chance to survive but the Allis had a ramp to guide the cable right into the cab.

[@BeeLineEast]

@@robertschmidt9296 Yes I worked in the rail mill in Steeton Pa. And one snapped under a heavy weight and almost killed a guy. He was torn up bad.

[@TehButterflyEffect]

There was very little load on that cable. This was an exhibition, not an actual tractor pull.

[@randyrobinson8751]

I like how Cory blew quitting time/ going home

[@crazydave4455]

Quit while you’re ahead !

[@blakkneit9779]

The two bald dudes with caps on are hilarious 😂

[@hervequere5775]

Il est evident que le bulldozer avec son poids et ses chenilles peut tirer aisément le tracteur mais ce Case 150 très ancien possède une puissance de traction exceptionnelle que des tracteurs recents ne pourraient rivaliser.

[@leshenderson5746]

Put the A C in gear tracks WON'T turn backwards when pulling!

[@7071SydcHome]

The Allis... More weight, more sq in on the ground...of course its going to pull more. Added to that, the power shift transmission with torque converter...the secret weapon!

[@londolly]

and much more horsepower too

[@7071SydcHome]

@@londolly Damn Right, you are!

[@nicksissom5028]

Those kids were like 5 inches away from the blade of the dozer.The dozer didn't even get after it

[@lcee6592]

I heard the one guy tell the other to get off his case!... 😅

[@tedhicks5431]

Less surface area on the steel wheel compared to dozer tracks

[@paulhare662]

At 1:21, I see an unfair leverage advantage for the dozer.

[@crazydave4455]

@@paulhare662 Yep. Plus it weights about 55,000 more pounds. This was basically an exhibition pull to show the power of the steam engine. The dozer is there basically to stop it.

[@paulhare662]

@@crazydave4455 Both are impressive machines. I wonder how many plows the dozer can pull? I'd imagine there is an equation for that but it would be cool to see 200 or so guys in Amish garb standing on plows behind it.

[@crazydave4455]

@@paulhare662 well they have video of the case 150 pulling 50, so the dozer can do more 😁 That Allis was the largest at the time it was released. Powered by a Cummins VT-1710 1710 cubic inch V-12 making 524 HP

[@londolly]

the dozer wasnt pulling , you fool , it wasnt in gear , get real

[@Deepocean567]

Big boy steam train vs the 41

[@rionijam727]

Put the case up against a d7

[@Noelzsazsa]

The case has no chance i was walking a HD41 from one side of a cattle station to the other around 15 km i went to sleep it had a leaking ram on the blade and had crept down dirt was rolling over the top of the blade it was the engine just started to groan that woke me

[@subcomandante404]

Quem venceu

[@crazydave4455]

Was an exhibition, dozer was there to load/stop the Case. Dozer can drag the steamer, out weights it by 50,000 some thousand pounds.

[@subcomandante404]

@@crazydave4455 não foi nada de verdade então 🇧🇷

[@crazydave4455]

@@subcomandante404But we got to see the largest steam traction engine ever built loaded to the max!

[@subcomandante404]

@@crazydave4455 parece que ele pucha máquina amarela deveria esta desligada ai sim é força

[@michaelsheeder148]

Dave, that is crazy. I was pretty sure the caterpillar would pull it it have more ground contact in the steam engine does. Thanks Michael

[@crazydave4455]

@@michaelsheeder148 That big Allis can drag it. They basically used it for an exhibition pull. Was a way to stop the big Case and make it work to its max. The Case 150 is about 75000 pounds, dozer is like 129000 pounds and has tracks. Not much else out there can stop it safely. Also the cable was hooked higher on the dozer, giving it an advantage also. Pulls down in the dozer and up on the case.

[@lyman5313]

As a member of crowd control for the event yes the dozzer was dead weight. Was not in gear during the pull

[@RickySkogen]

⁸😅0​@@lyman5313

[@londolly]

they bdid not have the dozer in gear dummy

[@hartmutschade8449]

.....das sollte man so einer alten und wertvollen Maschine nicht antuen........😮

[@ashleydemoss4609]

Proof steam is stronger

[@steveboor8614]

Clowns ❤!

[@londolly]

at best

[@patrickholt4140]

The dozer wasn’t even trying

[@londolly]

thats because thev dozer wasnt even in gear , dummy

[@CarlosalbertoDreselopes]

Quem tem um allis chalmers hd 41 não vende pô dinheiro nenhum 😮😮😮😮

[@subcomandante404]

Cabo de guerra é feito onde os 2 máquinas tenha aderência máxima ao solo peso não da vantagem no KZbin tem muito vídeos mostra isso quem venceu

[@JamesGrimes-f2o]

People are entirly to close. If that cable breaks people could die.

[@nomecognome4183]

1. Case troppo prezioso per questo genere di spettacolo. 2. Pubblico troppo vicino, Se si spezzava il cavo poteva ammazzare qualcuno.

[@MassimoMasè]

Non puoi far gareggiare ruota contro cingolo..eh..🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

[@consruction1]

To bad there not comparing apples with apples.....

[@crazydave4455]

@@consruction1 Right, that’s about all they had that would stop it.

[@kevinmccool3719]

zzzz zzzzz next😅😅

[@randyrobinson8751]

Case-0-matic drive wins again

[@bradjenkins932]

What?

[@RJ1999x]

You're dreaming if you think that steam engine could pull that Allis Chalmers

[@londolly]

because the dozer let it , dummy

[@vasiliykonev2584]

Развлекают народ 😂.

[@leonardcollings7389]

Very foolish for a 150 hp steam engine to be tugging on a 1972 Allis-Chalmers HD-41 bulldozer, powered by a 524-hp V-12 Cummins engine.

[@bmad1386]

Not only that, the dozer is a great deal built more densely

[@6tye3ety]

بولدوزر اصلا گاز نمیداد مثل اینکه خاموش بود

[@FelicissimoVarallo]

Ke buffonata il buldozer e molto piu potente 😂😂😂😂

[@enginecrzy]

Should we get behind somt?🧨🗯💣💥💨...😁✌👍

[@crazydave4455]

@@enginecrzy yes !🤣