Case - 4WD Report Deere

[@nowhereman8903]

John Deere resale value versus case? JD's always kept their value. What about case?

[@mikeysgarage3697]

04:45 - "The Deere models averaged an extra gallon an hour, could add up to 10 gallons per day." Only doing 10 hours a day then? Must be nice being a part-timer eh? Some quite valid points made throughout, but all this time later, I see and hear of a lot more Deere's still being used than these old Case's. And of course, let's not forget that Case ended up buying Steiger, and dumped the all wheel steer in favour of the articulated design that is derided in this video.

[@billz410]

Case and ‘high precision tool’ should never be used in the same sentence. 😂

[@interman7715]

The 1000 series Steiger put the beat down on everything when it was introduced imo.

[@paullucas3]

That comfort cab lasted way to long in Deere tractors. They needed that updated cab so bad. We bought a red Steiger because of that redesigned cab. It’s not so hot now, but what a step up at the time. Hard to believe case bragged about that crab steer. We bought an older case and we learned quickly to never touch that steering lever lol

[@colamity_5000]

The crab steering was nifty when it worked, but it just had too many issues. Even minor problems could lead to difficulty driving straight on the road and that just isn't a fun experience. There's a reason all 4wd are articulated now for sure, crab steering is just one more thing which can break

[@ccclc6159]

good gosh I can't imagine the cab being an issue, that Steeigeer was twice the tractor at a lower cost, than deere had to offer, Steiger = more power to the ground, less fuel use while doing more, at that time a Versatile would have been the only 4x4 that offered Steiger any competition

[@Blazefork]

There were really only 2 big guns in the 80's versatile and steiger

[@Ihfarmer23]

Until case bought em

[@72alta]

case was pretty big up here at the time, piles of 90 and 94 series still around.

[@Blazefork]

@@72alta worked on some of them years ago, all the u joints in the knuckles terrified me, case engines were good and the power shift was no slouch, especially after the updates

[@interman7715]

@@Ihfarmer23 Case was a very minor player making crap tractors until they took over IHC .

[@mattpaulson4978]

Can't forget about Big Bud

[@Nate-fs3no]

Look at how great that forward view of the giant hood and muffler directly in front of left side are on the Case.

[@davidlogel2350]

I love how Cases main gripe about Deere being articulated comes back to bite them in the ass with literally every major brand sticking with articulated 4wd tractors.

[@Zach-ju5vi]

The articulation would pop head gaskets on the old John Deeres. The straight frame case was a good design, it kept the tractor parallel for better traction, unfortunately the crab steer wasn't all that reliable.

[@davidlogel2350]

@@Zach-ju5vi wrong, the way a tractor steers has nothing to do with head gaskets or poor engines like the early 466’s were

[@jamesbarbour8400]

@@davidlogel2350 that confused me too - what does frame articulation have to do with engine head gaskets - makes no sense whatsoever

[@jamesbarbour8400]

@@Zach-ju5vi I personally think that the four wheel steer system definitely had distinct advantages over the articulated design, it was just the method of controlling it that was the weak link, bearing in mind it was a fully mechanical system at the time, with electronics coming in later ranges of the same type 4 wheel drive, 4 wheel steer tractors. Sadly, another weakness of the design lay with the drive/steer type of axles - they simply couldn't handle the same loading as a rigid axle - they were the weak link in the chain, if you will. That said, I think the design was very innovative given the era it was produced in. Articulated tractors could stand up to more rigourous work as their axles were rigid and the articulation joint was made sufficiently strong to withstand arduous conditions whilst still allowing articulation in several different axis at the same time. The drive/steer axles of the Case were quite expensive, as they were bought in from an outside supplier - Clark I believe, if my memory serves. John Deere bought in axles from an outside supplier too, for their 8010/8020 articulated tractors. Even IH bought in axles from an outside supplier for their 4100 series derived tractors, which were discontinued as of 1976, when Stieger started to supply their articulated tractors to IH. That's not to say that one system is any better than the other, it's horses for courses really - depends on your particular needs and circumstances

[@bradenconway9066]

I’m a case guy but the pto on the Left is better, especially for auger running

[@truthandfreedom885]

what percentage these models of JI case versus John Deere are still in the field.

[@chadneil25]

Better advetisment for DEERE than case....love the picture of the compaction....id like to see how they did that

[@thevox1075]

I’ve never owned either. But I’ve worked on both. I’ll stick with my Versatiles.

[@gordonvanpatten6637]

Smart fellow, stick with Versatile, you’ll be far better off

[@neilenglot3039]

I driven both. John Deere a much more Superior tractor

[@thomaslavalette3831]

I had a 4690. Loved it. Only problem I ever had was the AC.

[@connerbrandl5103]

Cant ever get them bastard ac systems to work long

[@garetttop8468]

They were all great tractors both for their time and many of both brands are still relied on today. Too bad Case felt they had to add B.S. to sell their product, like saying Deere's air filter is 14 feet in the air and then putting his hand right on the filter housing on top of the fuel tank as he's climbing down.

[@GT-fi4sk]

You know you're the best when others compare themselves to you.

[@davidvotypka8436]

I've owned a Case 4890 since it was brand new in 1982. We're still using it, and it definitely has advantages over my articulate Case Steiger. It's always worked and is reliable. It'll turn twice as tight as my articulate. It works great in small and odd shaped fields...👨‍🌾 🚜

[@chrisanderson6837]

There are some valid points there. The one shifter sucked compared to the thirty series. The lower windows were better in the older ones too. But I’ve drove both and you need weight to pull and the 4490 wasn’t heavy enough for heavy pulling. The articulation was hard on three point hitch plows. But we still have an 8650 on the cart. I bleed green so I guess we better stay with Deere

[@jayfarmer3911]

Well, this did not age well.

[@mrbojangles9841]

To some degree it has aged well. High hp fixed frame tractors are becoming the norm for precision farming. Articulating tractors are becoming less popular when you can get 450 hp out of a ridged frame fwa tractor that can be used for both tillage and planting.

[@jamesmcmahon7091]

Cough cough Steiger quadtracks are articulated Cough cough

[@kevinklingner3098]

The reason has always been that deere built a quality product that was and is still the best available.. Case never quite made the grade or finese that deere did

[@nowhereman8903]

There is nothing original about about case. John deere never had to buy another company other than Waterloo boy and the German company. Never had to change Deere's image. Case is barely recognizable anymore. Can't tell the difference between a new Holland and a caseih.

[@nowhereman8903]

Lanz(the German company)

[@nowhereman8903]

I'm a John Deere man but I grew up on a dairy farm and ran cases International Harvesters and a couple Allis-Chalmers. I would take ih over case any day.

[@SilverGleaner]

​@@nowhereman8903Deere bought more companies than just Waterloo Boy. Dain, Van Brunt just to name a couple. Deere quickly painted that equipment green and didn't use the old names very long if at all. BTW I do own a pre Deere Dain hay rake.

[@SilverGleaner]

​@@nowhereman8903Mansur Co., producing corn planters; Syracuse Chilled Plow Co., specialized plows; Dain Mfg. Co., hay tools; Moline Wagon Co., wagons; Kemp & Burpee, manure spreaders; Van Brunt Mfg. Co., grain drills; and Marseilles Co., force-feed automatic corn shellers and grain elevators. I copied this from some history site about Deere. Those are the old acquisitions. In probably the last 10 years Deere has probably bought a couple dozen companies. Most are high tech companies dealing with AI robotics and other AI equipment. Then there is Hagie and.... well I could on and on. You just don't know it. Deere doesn't make big announcements about it.They report what legally required for stock holders. Like Bill Gates who owns the most stock of Deere. There's a lot you don't know about Deere.

[@NoName-su4fo]

Awesome video 👍

[@kevinklingner3098]

Theere is and untruth there the air filternis not 14 feet from the ground.!!! It is eye sight while standing on the ground. This guy is a piece of work.

[@michaelwurst5711]

Don't see rigid frame around anymore. But articulation...

[@kolewiebensohn]

They sort of got out of style, probably cause you needed to do more maintenance on them ol Cases

[@72alta]

claas's are ridged framed

[@johnallen5996]

Even CaseIh ditched the rigid frame after their buyout of International.

[@72alta]

@@johnallen5996 not right away, at least until 92 or 93 you could still buy a wheel steer

[@johnallen5996]

@@72alta wow didn’t realize they lasted that long. I thought it was only a couple years. But thanks for the info!

[@jefffirefighter12106]

I wounder why Case/(Steiger) dosen't build ridged frame? Its why they bought Steiger.

[@jamesbarbour8400]

They did actually market a Steiger derived design for a short while, which was rigid where the articulation joint would have been and the front axle steered as on the old Case rigid frame 4wds. Another one they marketed, again for only a short while was a model that incorporated both the usual mid articulation joint and a steered front axle. The idea was to give better control of the machine in rowcrops. The mid articulation joint didn't come into operation until the front axle exceeded its own limit of steering angle, which was small to begin with. Both models were quite niche in the grand scheme of things and in the latter model's case (no pun intended !), was more expensive to produce, whilst they added complication to the production line by adding in more variables - the very antithesis of mass production. Suffice to say, they weren't marketed for long in what was a very competitve category of machine.

[@DavidSmith-fr1uz]

The guy half way stubs his foot climbing into the John Deere. On the 2WD report, in another video with the same narrator, it shows him hitting his shoulder on the door frame while getting into a Deere.

[@marthabecker8734]

nothing is good enough for this guy. jeesh he can't just compliment the john deere. i'd rather have the john deere

[@courtneyhirsh2271]

Case used the Scania engine.

[@DromboxenSverigeAB]

Scania DS11 300hp💪🏻

[@mrbojangles9841]

Scania was a good motor it had great power and decent longevity. Downside was cost to rebuild.

[@nathanfindlay1865]

Joe Biden brother

[@TheJpsmith1996]

This guy doesn’t even try to make it sound like he believes any of that garbage. This whole sales pitch was more effective at selling Deere.

[@teecuzbruh4058]

Thank God for video tape

[@benjenkins6603]

Did CASE make anymore movies about their rigid frames? This is the first one I've found on KZbin.

[@Blazer-cr5ci]

I have a couple more uploaded, but these are the only ones I’ve come across

[@nicmarshall9243]

It was a system a head of its time. Tho not the greatest or most popular, it lead to tellhanders , and other harvesters having the independent steering systems.

[@francomtz7115]

Your right.

[@gratefultrucker7781]

Wait did he say the deere is to front heavy and then later its to back heavy

[@jamesbarbour8400]

Basic design of all articulated tractors, regardless of brand, is that weight bias is greater on the front of the machine unladen, which then equalises out to all driven wheels, both front and rear, when an implement in work. The claim made here in that respect, is simply nebulous at best - either that, or he doesn't understand the fundamentals of articulated 4WD design and is trying to pick fault where there actually isn't any.

[@outdoor044]

When this guys parents got divorced they explained to him that it was in fact HIS FAULT.

[@Ihfarmer23]

Case out there bashing articulated tractors but yet in 86 buys steiger and still makes em today smh 🤦

[@mrbojangles9841]

But steiger was superior in many ways. Cummins engine and twin disc transmission is hard to beat. As for fixed frame vs articulating, case magnum 380 is not articulating. It has 380 hp. If articulating is better hands down the magnum would not be fixed frame. Fixed frame has its advantages and that's why many high hp tractors today are fixed frame.

[@robertmoulton2656]

And yet with all those drawbacks. John Deere wiped you out! 🤣

[@rikacoetzer8135]

Nice one😎😎👌

[@francomtz7115]

Them case cabs and doors where ridiculous & controls you can't compare it to a j d.

[@tannertaylor9432]

Nah Jimmy Carter wipped them out by causing and then fuckin up the farm crisis

[@jamesonquinn6950]

who said YOU

[@SilverGleaner]

​@@francomtz7115Are you saying the SG cab was a great cab? It was a mediocre cab at best by the 1980's .

[@andyl2221]

Compared to today’s tractors 60.000 plus lbs

[@mesh1248]

Funny how case 4wd weren’t made anymore and they had to buy out stieger to keep on competing against deere

[@Ihfarmer23]

That was a shit choice should of just left steiger steiger and not bought em

[@admiraltroll5255]

@@Ihfarmer23 steiger was about to go tits up. little short on cash

[@davidlogel2350]

@@Ihfarmer23 Steiger saved Cases 4wd market share. Their rigid frame 4wd’s are a joke compared to Steiger and Versatile tractors from the same era.

[@JFV-M16]

Case RPS system was no good.

[@onlygodknowswhat7595]

It's hard to believe that this is the same company that also created the magnums.

[@melvd3484]

Most of the Magnum was developed by International.

[@jamesbarbour8400]

A lot of the success of that range is down to the fact that a lot of it was derived from an IH design that was in it's infancy at the time of the takeover

[@mickdunne4306]

Some bs case sales talk

[@379insk]

Too bad that articulated tractor idea was bad...eh Case. Lol

[@farmyardfab]

Case was coping so hard. Lol versatile and stieger had them buried.

[@rikacoetzer8135]

Nice vid but even don't try to compare the deere s are running where s the case nobody Wil ever touch one today

[@mrbojangles9841]

Both were junk. Case and JD were trying to build affordable tractors during the 80s down farm economy. Steiger didn't cut corners and that's why case chose to produce them after the buyout. Cummins 855 engine and twin disc transmission made steiger superior to JD and case by far.

[@jarvislarson6864]

Steiger was and is the best 4wd bar none!

[@joetrojan2568]

they could have included the 8850 and talked about it's major engine flaws

[@jamesbarbour8400]

The main flaw really lay in the method of attachment of the engine directly to the front mainframe. The mainframe is designed to flex a little but also caused the engine to flex somewhat too - this caused head gasket sealing issues. Bearing in mind that JD engines are wet sleeve designs which are inherently less rigid than comparable dry sleeve engine designs. Kinze repowers put an inline Cummins 'triple nickel' engine into a specially developed cradle that absorbed most of the flex and so solved the issue. It is, however, rather surprising that such an oversight actually occurred in the first place, given Deere's reputation for building pretty bomb proof machinery. One of their rare mis steps I'd say. I would personally put the episode down to the era in which they were built. The early 80s were a financial nightmare for all of the 'ag' industry, so perhaps JD were simply trying to save a bit of money by marketing the tractor that eventually resulted ?

[@gordonvanpatten6637]

The only good thing Case had was the Scania diesel. The rigid frame is alright sort of, but the turning balls wear out in the dirt, poor system. Much better off with a Versatile.

[@SilverGleaner]

I never heard much good about a Scania engine.

[@jamesbarbour8400]

It's certainly true that drive/steer axles require a greater degree of maintenance, but their other inherent flaw is that they simply cannot handle the same vertical loads as a rigid axle. A chain is only as strong as its weakest link and all that.

[@farmingfishingfamilyontari2814]

The host is revelling a number of disturbing realities. I feel betrayed. Wait, it’s 2021, never mind.

[@generationll]

I would not call the 8850 a specialty tractor no more then I would call a 4994 one .Ironically CaseIH dropped these straight frame tractors the fist chance they got in 1986-87.Since the time period of 1974-78 Deere has been extremely stubborn & impotent to match the competition when it comes to 4WD tractor offerings.A habitually bad habit that continues right up to today.For instance when AC,Case,IH,MF,Ford,Steiger & Versatile were all introducing 300hp 4WD tractors in the 1970s Deere very stupidly decided not to do the samething.A good example of this is when the 275hp 8640 got introduced in 1978.they acted stupidly in not raising it up to 300hp to match the 8550,2870,4586 & others out there.This cow manure continues right onto today when it comes to CaseIH Steiger to

[@interman7715]

You only have to look at JDs design implementation philosophy over time ,they were still running old two cylinder putt putts till 1959 while the others had inline multi cylinders from the 20s.Deere always sits on the fence and watches how new concepts work out before committing ie Axial flow combines ,quadtrac ,rubber tracked tractors etc etc..Copying successful designs saves R@ D costs and risks, this is probably why Deere is in the position they are today.

[@keithwells3705]

CASE ih did make the 9260&924- in 1996 with was just a 9250 Steiger with a straight 9230 and 9250 didn't sell but the crabs were around 1966 to 96

[@jamesbarbour8400]

​@@interman7715I'd say that theory actually holds a lot of water. Not the first time it's been said either. 👍

[@bradenconway9066]

Case has a way better hydraulic control than deere. Deere was okay but case was way better. Case transmissions do suck though, treat a case right youll go 12-15000hrs

[@IH_5288]

or or say no to both deere and case and don't be a silly person and just buy a versatile

[@ZYoung-xv9dn]

Deere's sell for more why is that probably because they are junk🙄

[@alecmcniven1713]

How the fuck does what you just said make anysense

[@williammcniven8984]

@@alecmcniven1713 lmao

[@nowhereman8903]

Caseih are throw away tractors.

[@AAK-cb9zg]

john deere is the beast

[@robertmoulton2656]

I can't believe this guy can keep a straight face while selling this junk Look at is smoke even while not under load lol Time has not been kind to case 🤣 Who in the heck starts moving the tractor before engaging it PTO? I feel sorry for this sales guy . Even at 25% more the Deere is a bargain

[@EDBZ28]

Why does watching this video make me cream my jeans over that new 8650 instead of the ugly "calf-scours yellow" boxy Case? Deere had them all beat, at least in looks. Case and versatile were the UGLIEST on the market.

[@tannertaylor9432]

Hey atleast I can fix my own Case. Don't have to load it on a flat bed and send it 3 hours to the dealership to get 1 thing fixed

[@h0neybadger475]

How in the hell is a Versatile an ugly tractor have you even seen one before? 😂

[@EDBZ28]

@@h0neybadger475 haha. I know they were trying to get the sound away from the cab, but the muffler way out front just looks SO outta place & im not big on the colors either. I actually like the ford versatile tractors...but I’d have to figure out how to tuck that muffler back by the cab like the rest of articulated tractors did within the industry.

[@SilverGleaner]

Deere has never had a good looking tractor. The closest they came to having a good looking tractor to me was the old 530/630/730 but they were hopelessly obsolete.

[@ccclc6159]

@@EDBZ28 Versatile tractors have always been very efficient, the muffler out front is the most efficient place to put it, direct short pipe from turbo to muffler, it offers better exhaust flow using less complicated expensive tubing, I doubt noise was any concern to anyone

[@dougblasberg8244]

It's hard to understand why anyone that was shown this video would choose to purchase the Deere.

[@francomtz7115]

Until now J.D. has always been # 1...

[@tysonfrank2105]

Lookout for the deere fan boys

[@kolewiebensohn]

Got that shit right if it ain't green in their mind it's automatically a piece of shit to them.

[@billdoddwd]

@@kolewiebensohn don't worry. I've driven both. The 90 series Case is kind of a piece of shit.

[@kolewiebensohn]

@@billdoddwd I still don't like deeres mainly because of their followers, their products are good but yah thats about as far as it gets for me. I love my 94 series cases

[@mikescaffo4850]

John deere is the best some stupid salesman who works for case he's clueless

[@samuelgilbert8570]

Funny how he says “ when Deere got into the game” Deere literally invented the 4wd tractor and the first articulated tractor.

[@interman7715]

Wtf? Take your green sun glasses of fool . JD invent nothing only copy .Wagner invented the modern articulated tractor and incidentally was another company Deere ripped off through unscrupulous business practices.

[@nowhereman8903]

The 8010/8020 predate the Wagner tractors they had nothing to do with Wagner.

[@AJmx2702001]

@@nowhereman8903 Wagner started in 1955, Steiger 1957, Deere, 1959 for 8010

[@stevenarnold3935]

They all copy one another's design. Just like they all copied the round baler design for example.

[@jamesbarbour8400]

Think the Steiger brothers might have something to say about that - they built their first tractor circac1957/58, whereas John Deere introduced the 8010 in 1959/60 time frame

[@ralphllivrah9551]

Without a power shift,they were all junk. If all these other tractors were so great,why did they all go under? Natural selection the Deere still lives while others are just fond memories. This stupid joke of video shows how great the Deere is. These videos are laughable at best.

[@johnserrano9689]

Yeah he was really struggling to make case look "better" and i admit i love the real case tractors well built and built by experienced men. But god dam those were some of the greatest deere tractors ever made lol poor bastard was theowing anything he could think of hoping it would stick haha They were heavy, but theyre un-fckng stoppable, both literally and reliability wise...