Case - Design Performance Comparison

[@MP-io7yj]

I'll stick with my 895 versatile. Knowing I don't have a bunch of ujoints and ball joints behind the wheels that would be a pain to replace.

[@geroufamilyfarms334]

Great video. Thank You for posting. My family has owned 94 series 4wds 1986 thru today. I was there in phoenix in 1984. The event was held at Goodyear farms. Very familiar with all aspects of the design and known service issues, none of which are mentioned in the above posts. I agree there is no tremendous advantage of 4 wheel steering, outside of steep hills/crab steer, but they are simply unique. The 4994 only sold 224 units based on 3 factors. 1) the farm economy in the mid 1980s was a low point, 2) Scania V8 engines while widely accepted in western europe but were an unknown engine in the US and 3) the fact that 400hp tractors were still a very narrow slice of the market demand 37 years ago. I am currently looking for a 4994 to buy or restore. please contact me if you have one for sale.

[@tannertaylor9432]

Id have to check what model numbers they are but the guy I lease my cow pastures from has 2 Case Rigid frame tractors. One is pre international merger and one was post. Both of them currently have blown transmissions and are parked in the hay yard.

[@tannertaylor9432]

Those hats are straight out of the costume department for Dallas

[@tannertaylor9432]

What in the hell are you talking about

[@nigelroddy9125]

A designer can convince themselves of anything

[@farmingfishingfamilyontari2814]

Yes but you could square dance in the cab of those Massey’s

[@Zero01k]

The 4000 series Masseys are the best 4wd in my opinion, still run them even today

[@RJ1999x]

@@Zero01k I was wondering why they even included Massey's, they were barely a bleep on the radar of 4 wheel drive tractors

[@kolewiebensohn]

Those 94 series 4wds were awesome units, great runners except when they had electrical issues it could make a man want to kill himself

[@kennyfett970]

My dad, another local farmer and the Case salesman were there in Phoenix in 1984 for the 4WD introduction. Cool to see this video.

[@trevorcrowe7571]

Were they giving away straw hats?!

[@generationll]

Ironically within about 5 years after Tenneco bought IH's farm equipment these Case tractors would be history

[@fieroguy100]

God i miss these, that tractor is like a core childhood memory good bad or ugly. Say what you will but they were the nicest looking unit of that era.

[@danielmccrory3532]

Funny how they compare themselves to stinger and claim to be so much better and then there next move was to buy Steiger and use normal pi opt steering

[@SouthSaskFarmer1]

Aaaaand guess who is no longer made

[@MP-io7yj]

That's why I run 2 875 1 895 1 900 verstiles as my only tractors. You can have a clutch put in one of those in just a few hours out in the field .there so easy to work on.

[@SouthSaskFarmer1]

@@MP-io7yj exactly.

[@Northern_Farmer]

You tell em Nick lol

[@SouthSaskFarmer1]

@@Northern_Farmer hahahahaha

[@admiraltroll5255]

ok..... same with every tractor in the video

[@macfarms]

It’s funny watching this now, knowing that 2 years later Case bought Steiger and then discontinued their rigid frame 4wd tractors not to be seen again until I think the 9240/9260 in 1990?

[@tysonfrank2105]

They kept making them up until the steiger buy out.... then made a model of the steiger with it.... quit them in 92 or 3

[@macfarms]

@@tysonfrank2105 they built them (Steiger rigid frame) up until the end of the 9200 series in 1995 they weren’t carried forward to the 9300 series. And yes as I said they made the 94 series rigid frame up to the Steiger buy out.

[@mrbojangles9841]

But now tractor manufacturers are making ridged frame tractors over 500 hp. In a way case was right. That's why when row crop demanded higher hp tractors they didn't go articulating they went fixed frame minus the rear steering.

[@darrinrussell3526]

If they are so great then why did Case stop making them.

[@beastlyapples3197]

Because of business, and technological advances

[@davehughesfarm7983]

Because they wanted to...

[@mrbojangles9841]

I have both articulating and a couple old case tractors. I prefer the case steering any day over articulating. I wish all 4wd tractors were made this way. At the end of the day it all comes down to opinion and guess most farmers want something that bends in the middle and preferably not a white and black combo. Also these tractors had hydraulic/ electric steering issues that would make you want to curl your hair. The 80s technology wasn't up to the task and people developed a hatred for "crab steer". Works great when it "works"

[@mattgreen8530]

Ya funny that now years later I don’t see a single one of these tractors in a yard. But u do see most of the others on this video

[@gman7640]

I suspect these went the way of the DODO because of cost. It's got to be cheaper to build a center pin articulated tractor than to have 2 steering axles.

[@RJ1999x]

They went the way of the dodo because in reality they were a terrible design that had a ton of parasitic loss with the drivetrain

[@ericlakota4400]

Some times it's nice to stick to a color so you can keep life more simple I like to look at what is going to break how often and how much is it going to cost time and money

[@codyzellmer1998]

The Scania V8 was a good engine but nobody really knew much about them in the States, so they didn't catch on too well. I prefer Cummins over it, though. These Case tractors had so many issues when they were built so I think I'll stick with my Versatile 895. There's a reason you don't see John Deere or Case IH coming out with big crab steer tractors like these anymore...

[@mrbojangles9841]

But they're making fixed frame tractors over 500 hp now. And they boast they're "fixed frame" Only thing lacking is the rear steering but I wouldn't complain if they added that feature again to make turns sharper on big fixed frames. Where I live most farmers don't even own articulating they usually get a 350 hp or more John Deere fixed frame and use it for both row crop and tillage. In my area articulating is becoming a thing of the past so I personally think Case wasn't stupid in the design it just didn't fit the agriculture market of the 80s and farmers just liked articulating more. I've driven both and I like fixed frame for the same reasons this video mentions.

[@gortex79]

@@mrbojangles9841 And the jcb fastrac's are just like these plus do over 60km/h on the road

[@gordonvanpatten6637]

But, those ball joints, knuckles, and balls wear out fast always in the dirt. Give me a Versatile any day.

[@thevox1075]

Versatile D145, 850, and 875. We’ll stick with them. Best things ever made.

[@rustyshank912]

Do you know anyone who can work on a D145s fuel injectors mine starts hard and smokes white when not working hard.

[@thevox1075]

@@rustyshank912 where are you located?

[@rustyshank912]

@@thevox1075 easiest answer between lake Michigan and lake Winnebago in Wisconsin.

[@thevox1075]

@@rustyshank912 any Cummins dealer should be able to set you up. I got rid of the V470 years ago. Installed a Cummins 12 valve and made it come alive. Better horsepower, torque.

[@rustyshank912]

@@thevox1075 do you know how much torque a D145 can take? I might know we're I can get a 640 Perkins and I have a 270hp 3306 Cat lying around but that will kill it.

[@jeremiahentz8505]

If the 4 wheel steer was so good then y did go to artiulating tractor

[@mrbojangles9841]

It actually does "work better" technically. I've driven both. People don't like them. A tractor that doesn't bend in the middle is "neutered" in the farming world. Articulating is cooler. 80s technology wasn't up to the task with computerized rear steering. Multiple issues, including safety if electronics malfunctioned. Mechanically they held up great (u joints and kingpins). I wouldn't be surprised if this makes a comeback in the future but with with larger fwa tractors. If the rear tires turn even slightly it makes a huge difference being able to turn sharper.

[@frankr.1594]

PowerShift was on JD 4020 's back in the late 1960's. That steering had company Schüler on there TV series. It was good bud to expensive and maybe kind of overbuild for its time. World wide issues in farming was also a point of :"Let I'd be!" I'm maybe wrong, tell about.

[@RJ1999x]

The John Deere powershift was a copy of the Ford select o speed

[@frankr.1594]

@@RJ1999x Thanks for sharing this information! Does there exist a source (like a book or an interview)? I told friends about bud nobody could confirm that.

[@RJ1999x]

@@frankr.1594 I don't know of any book, the Ford transmission was out years before the John Deere powershift, and rumors back then was the Ford engineer went to work for John Deere, but that I don't know as a fact

[@nowhereman8903]

The jd powershift is exactly a Ford design. John deere used Fords select o shift in the powershift.

[@frankr.1594]

@@nowhereman8903 I am still looking for the book of "Ford tractors". It is currently not available and quite expensive. Than you for your comment!

[@379insk]

Case didn't buy Steiger because the non articulated were selling. This didn't age well!!! Lol

[@Ihfarmer23]

That Crab drive was the real deal back in the day can see why case was ahead in 4wd tractors

[@RJ1999x]

Was absolutely useless

[@admiraltroll5255]

@@RJ1999x nah it has its place. 95/100articulation fits the bill. tight spots crab is better

[@RJ1999x]

@@admiraltroll5255 owned 4 of them, absolutely useless

[@admiraltroll5255]

@@RJ1999x no the concept of crab steer. Clearly your ptsd has blinded you that in the concept has a niche

[@RJ1999x]

@@admiraltroll5255 clearly marketing departments have an easy mark with you. Crab steer was a marketing ploy that had 0 usefulness in the real world, hence the reason there is no tractor made with it anymore