Commitment to WOMEN KILLS ALL DESIRE (female nature will punish you)

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Casey Zander

Casey Zander

Күн бұрын

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@CaseyZander
@CaseyZander Жыл бұрын
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@epants8507
@epants8507 Жыл бұрын
💪🎯💯
@aaronmatthews2553
@aaronmatthews2553 Жыл бұрын
Much of this is totally on point, but there’s a relevant missing element that resides outside of these messages. Kids, children, families. It changes this philosophy. Not that your message is wrong, but in addition to, and it must be factored in for full utility and real world application. Thoughts Casey?
@Billybobcan
@Billybobcan Жыл бұрын
The webinar link above is not working. You can type your first name and email address and the ENTER ROOM button is not clickable. Does anyone know why the weblink is not working?
@frankdavf4599
@frankdavf4599 Жыл бұрын
uyyy 0 9 00pp8p>>qué i8h+h]u]]yyyyyy
@magicalviews6755
@magicalviews6755 Жыл бұрын
Don't take women seriously they come and go
@DavidLumby
@DavidLumby Жыл бұрын
They're like busses, there will always be another one coming your way.
@CG-wr4no
@CG-wr4no Жыл бұрын
Sounds promising
@westernsellers9148
@westernsellers9148 Жыл бұрын
Real men have abundance mentality...plenty of 2 legged fish in the world
@madjunir
@madjunir Жыл бұрын
Like they say it themselves : Women are not yours is just your turn... 💀
@TheShospitali
@TheShospitali 11 ай бұрын
You got that right. They set in front of the mirror two or three hours a day panting their nails, teasing their hair, putting on war paint. Then they start coming around trying to get you to notice them seeking your attention. Then they got you hanging around all the time telling them all the things they wanted to hear. Then they are ready to hear it from somebody else! It's like you boosted their egos. Now she's putting herself out there for higher valued men. But the revenge comes from when she hits the wall with her looks one day. They hit it hard too! 😆 It's sort of the last laugh of her @$$!
@AfroSamuraiTCG
@AfroSamuraiTCG Жыл бұрын
This is nothing short of PURE GOLD - I just came out of a toxic as fuck relationship with a narcissistic chick who was in her feminine at the start of the relationship but as I got more emotionally attached and emasculated switched to a more masculine, distant, cold attitude. I did so many of the things you oppose - my eyes will never be blinded again. Much love Casey.
@Handlinmybusiness2024
@Handlinmybusiness2024 Жыл бұрын
I’m with you bro
@CBaskins420
@CBaskins420 Жыл бұрын
Brothers dude is a fucking genius and is straight evidence of American movie portrayal of love and relationships being totally deceptive. Wife cheated on me with a person higher up at our place of employment. I’m actually blind and in my early 40s and I shit you not following this dudes philosophy has landed me in some sweet situations, and I’m not the best looking guy have the best teeth or have a lot of money, but I’m definitely getting jacked and pulling Hella women of all ages with a disability. And wife pulled away the more I showed love it was like these videos started popping up in my feed at the right time. Started putting it all together. Bought a power rack started saving money. I just had a bad feeling for some reason, but once I weakened myself for the wife of like 15 years that’s when she like almost disliked me more. I owe this dude a lot of money he’s definitely transformed my life with free videos which is crazy to me. Sucks what this guy is saying is considered toxic masculinity and a lot of my social circles.
@sdgloball
@sdgloball 10 ай бұрын
Same bruh
@anuragso4275
@anuragso4275 8 ай бұрын
Same with me😤 and she's the most beautiful girl of my college
@para_bellum_1984
@para_bellum_1984 Жыл бұрын
I can't believe how true this is. Years of living in isolation turned me into a beta cuck. An amazing woman fell in love with me and I with her. Got way too emotionally invested. She dried up within weeks. Quite the wake-up call. Stronger than ever now. I will never let this happen again.
@lautarogelman9629
@lautarogelman9629 7 ай бұрын
You sound kinda autistic ngl
@Rob-nl5ge
@Rob-nl5ge 5 ай бұрын
We’ve all been there man. But you learn and become better for it 👊🏻
@Cinnamon535
@Cinnamon535 3 ай бұрын
Yeah man it sucks I had her and when I reveal my interests she was gone 😂
@Blessy_04
@Blessy_04 3 ай бұрын
​@@Cinnamon535 Seriously ?
@Cinnamon535
@Cinnamon535 3 ай бұрын
@@Blessy_04 Yeah she used to flirt and get all pretty for me , then it all changed when she knew were I stood and that I also liked her back, it's like a little game wr must play never reveal your hand or its over
@RecreationalUseOnly
@RecreationalUseOnly Жыл бұрын
Never commit to a woman unless she has chased you and has your baby in her belly. Fellas, commit to your goals and purpose. Nothing more.
@TheAustrianPainter87
@TheAustrianPainter87 Жыл бұрын
*Never commit to a woman. Fixed it for you 😄
@Anonymous-kh3eu
@Anonymous-kh3eu Жыл бұрын
You’re wrong. Once she gets you after she chased you she will change. It’s happened to me and I’ve seen it happen to my friends all my life
@Mrgotbandzzzz415
@Mrgotbandzzzz415 Жыл бұрын
Not even if they have a kid with you. My ex was still talking to her ex fiancé while pregnant with our kid. Dumb bitch.
@cheporestrepo
@cheporestrepo Жыл бұрын
@@Anonymous-kh3eui understand this psychology.. but then should we never stay with a woman? Thats messed up. We are doomed to be alone fcking with them hoes forever? Damn..
@RecreationalUseOnly
@RecreationalUseOnly Жыл бұрын
@@Anonymous-kh3eu she can change. Always be willing to walk away when they do
@DavidLumby
@DavidLumby Жыл бұрын
Having grown up without a male figure, your videos are godsent.
@MeidoInHebun
@MeidoInHebun Жыл бұрын
Having grown up with a weak father who thought being masculine meant beating up his wife, same.
@reggaetony2806
@reggaetony2806 Жыл бұрын
Same here my dad taught me to be too nice. I suffered severely because of that recently had to erase my identity and start over
@Lightstudiophotography
@Lightstudiophotography Жыл бұрын
@@MeidoInHebun😂
@alexanderrueprecht9968
@alexanderrueprecht9968 Жыл бұрын
100%! Thank you, Casey!
@user-uc7qb1su4e
@user-uc7qb1su4e 11 ай бұрын
@@MeidoInHebunthat is pretty masculine tbh
@prussiansocietyofamerica
@prussiansocietyofamerica Жыл бұрын
There's really, REALLY a simple solution to this anyway. Just make sure she's the one "COMMITTING" to you. It's not natural for a Man to beg or ask for a relationship or marriage, that's her job. The one who gets on their knees, is the one who is in perpetual servitude.
@MeatBunFul
@MeatBunFul Жыл бұрын
This. I will try not to "beg" or "ask" women ever again
@marshalldteachjb9545
@marshalldteachjb9545 Жыл бұрын
Women ask for relationship, man for marriage
@prussiansocietyofamerica
@prussiansocietyofamerica Жыл бұрын
@@marshalldteachjb9545 But if you think about it, from a primal standpoint, it is irrational for a Man to ask for Marriage. For one, Marriage is also a manmade institution. If a Man is asking / begging for Marriage, it means he is insecure about his ownership over the Woman and needs legally binding documentation to feel security. This goes COMPLETELY against his primal instincts. In caveman days, Women would beg at the door to have food, security and comfort from a Man, he would have no involvement whatsoever as far as asking to Marry him, it would be such a bizarre position for him to be in.
@marshalldteachjb9545
@marshalldteachjb9545 Жыл бұрын
@@prussiansocietyofamerica nah if she is a submissive and a traditionnal woman, it's your job to ask for marriage. As a man, I would be ashamed of a woman put a knee down to ask me for marriage. I wouldn't accept, that's disrespectfull to let a woman take my role
@prussiansocietyofamerica
@prussiansocietyofamerica Жыл бұрын
@@marshalldteachjb9545 That idea is "programmed" into you, but it's not true. It's unnatural for a Man to ask for marriage, it's a social construct that religions and governments organized to control a Man for his utility and providership. Someday you will learn this. But it's just unnatural. In fact, one of my early girlfriends, while we never discussed the topic of marriage, either she knew something about my personality or something about me, but she was the one to "propose" to me and ask for my hand in Marriage and even bought me an engagement ring. Historically, Women have always been at the Mercy of Men in times of Pure Patriarchy, and this also meant that Women would even literally beg a Man to Marry him even to escape poverty or hunger, even if he was already married, in serious times of distress. That is how things were, at least up until the Middle Ages or so. Marriage today is much more about "Class or Class Status" than anything, and has more to do with Financial Security than it does ever to do about Love and Romance.
@oscargonza2748
@oscargonza2748 Жыл бұрын
The sullution to keep a woman happy is to stop focusing too much on the relationship and focus more on things outside of her, women desire a men who is not needy and clingy and too focused on her but she'lll cling to that guy who is highly focused more on himself and busy on his career and ambitions than on her,
@fernandodesousa9362
@fernandodesousa9362 Жыл бұрын
Agree 💯
@taskogaming5324
@taskogaming5324 Жыл бұрын
my gf broke up with me this month and she says that I control her to much but when I watched your videos i know that i fuckdup thank u casey you😂😂
@Lonwolf.
@Lonwolf. Жыл бұрын
😂😂. The ohh controlling trick.
@rayawake
@rayawake Жыл бұрын
Yea man level up!!
@zakzwijn8410
@zakzwijn8410 Жыл бұрын
fucked up in what way? care to elaborate a bit?
@thebird9766
@thebird9766 Жыл бұрын
Stay strong
@Coyote_boa
@Coyote_boa Жыл бұрын
Yup. Always have been more successful with women i didnt give a shit about. The select few that i was outcome dependent on i lost.
@gb4354
@gb4354 20 күн бұрын
same, i fucked up when i cared and become "friend". never fucking again.
@donalgraeme
@donalgraeme Жыл бұрын
Thanks! I needed to hear this. I recently got dumped. Long-story short: I conflated her intelligence, seeming-integrity, work-ethic, her willingness to pull her own weight, and logic in her job with her being "The Exception" to shit that I already knew about women. I firmly believe now, that there are no exceptions. Shit's a hard-wired, limbic brain survival mandate. Her cognitive brain may say all of the things that make her seem like an egalitarian. But that lizard-brain will override that shit. If you fail to be "on" whenever you are around her, or exhibit any of the other behavior described. She *will lose desire, and not necessarily be able to articulate how or why. I'm putting this video in my tasks calendar, and watching it every 3 days until I get it into my thick skull, in case there's still some vestigial thoughts of there possibly being an "exception" out there.
@Leit0
@Leit0 Жыл бұрын
she's dismissive avoidant
@cenanmehmet
@cenanmehmet Жыл бұрын
same shit on me too,found really high quality girl than repelled her 😂😂
@donalgraeme
@donalgraeme Жыл бұрын
@@Leit0 I've got to watch some videos on those attachment styles. It's like I'm preparing for combat operations, and have to obtain Intel on the enemy. Then develop strategies and tactics to ensure "success." Except, since she'll eventually leave anyway. "Success" is going to have to be defined as: Having the best time possible, with the least emotional investment. And with most, if not all, of my dignity intact when she ends the relationship (if I don't first). It saddens me, but I now accept that this is likely as good as it will get. If anyone thinks that I'm incorrect, please provide constructive, specific counterpoint. And dispense with any childish ad hominem attacks, and/or "Who hurt you?"-bullshit. My solicitation is not a "challenge" for the purpose of debating. But an honest query and search for understanding, while acknowledging the fact that I may have failed to consider some factors.
@donalgraeme
@donalgraeme Жыл бұрын
@@cenanmehmet I understand. I will never make that mistake again. I will keep the depth of any love that I feel for her, to myself. As its expression will NOT be seen as a gift of trust, but a catalyst for her contempt, ala, "I thought that he was better than that. He's a [sob] fucking.. loser [sob].. How could he do this to me?!?" Now, how absolutely fucked-up is that?!? Message received and believed, Casey.
@cenanmehmet
@cenanmehmet Жыл бұрын
@@donalgraeme teenage girls are like this,they really want mysterious and important minded guys if they are getting too much attention from average guy,it's ok bro,we all suffering,stay stoic,it's our journey in this life,keep trying on women,never settle
@seanfobbs7575
@seanfobbs7575 Жыл бұрын
Hey, just in the last 3 months of watching your videos and implementing everything with fury, my mindset my overall motivation and relationship with my wife has gotten so much better. Never stop doing what your doing!!
@michaelserrano4412
@michaelserrano4412 Жыл бұрын
Overcoming
@Aldovargas87
@Aldovargas87 Жыл бұрын
Any videos from this channel that you recommend? I stumbled onto this video but it seems to apply to single men not married men.
@seanfobbs7575
@seanfobbs7575 Жыл бұрын
@@Aldovargas87 You’re missing the point bro, this is how you stay attractive to your wife for the long haul by implementing what he’s saying in your marriage.
@solomonjenkins9505
@solomonjenkins9505 Жыл бұрын
it's simply not true,. Committing to a woman BEFORE she has committed to you kills all desire. Not committing to a woman once they have fully committed to you is a mistake. It will eventually lead to them leaving you to find someone who will commit to them if they have any self respect. Many women don't, so I can understand why this advice seems sane, but I have had women leave me in the past because I played it too aloof and they were under the impression I was not ever going to commit to them fully.
@BringOnFall
@BringOnFall Жыл бұрын
This ❤
@rhuiden4086
@rhuiden4086 Жыл бұрын
Thats a unicorn you talking about. Most women are actually the ones who keep looking for the bigger better deal because western social norms does not taboo it as shameful behaviour
@treviancalhoun7693
@treviancalhoun7693 Жыл бұрын
You have to decide when you’re ready to “settle” down
@shaunajin8497
@shaunajin8497 Жыл бұрын
NAILED IT SOLOMON!!! I think Casey's advice is very immature. It's for immature fuck boys who are only interested in sex being "beast 24/7" which is unrealistic and unhealthy. His advice only applies to BROKEN TOXIC WOMEN. CASEY YOU MUST REALIZE THAT NOT ALL WOMEN ARE LIKE THIS. PLEASE DISTINGUISH BETWEEN HEALTHY WOMEN WHO DO WANT COMMITMENT AND WHOSE DESIRE WILL STAY STRONG BC THEY ARE WITH A MAN WHO IS A KING WHO ALSO IS STRONG ENOUGH IN HIS MASCULINITY TO ADMIT HIS NEED FOR HEALTHY ATTACHMENT TO A HEALTHY TRULY LOVING WOMAN. YOUR ADVICE IS LEADING MEN TO BECOME LONELY ASSHOLES.
@jaythenihilist4689
@jaythenihilist4689 Жыл бұрын
I think most men are so desperate because of a lack of options that they over invest in a woman once they find one. There was a study that said 86% of the time it's the man who says "I love you" first. My male friends will start dating a new girl, then I'll hear him telling her that he loves her within the first month. And she's moving in with him by the 2nd month. That just shows his desperation. I think you're right. The woman has to have genuine desire.The woman needs to chase the man. She has to be the one who's advancing the relationship, and not just for financial support. If a woman truly desires a man, then she won't be able to hide it. And the man won't even have to question her commitment to him.
@rayawake
@rayawake Жыл бұрын
Casey, you are leveling up the savagery and it’s 100% needed.
@randallhenggeler8122
@randallhenggeler8122 Жыл бұрын
What your saying is true Casey. That said your missing a major point. We need women to have our children. So yeah you don’t need a woman for anything except for that, you show you care about her you show weakness. So we never get married, we never have kids. Society is done. Nice. Missing something there don’t you think? Please edit this video and include that yes we need women to carry and nurture our kids.
@shaunajin8497
@shaunajin8497 Жыл бұрын
Amen Randall! And I wd add men need women for LTR and companionship and vice versa. U can be on ur grind 24/7 all u want but who are u going to share ur success with? Ur bros??!
@JosephFarrier-c8q
@JosephFarrier-c8q 5 ай бұрын
We need eachother there just using us like we use to use them
@Champ1988
@Champ1988 Жыл бұрын
Women don't like it because they want to feel like they've EARNED it. YES, they do legitimately want the relationship as well. But studies consistently show that it takes women far longer to fall in love than men. What guys don't realize is that you can date a woman without a title indefinitely - they actually prefer situation-ships. Why? Because it makes your commitment look scarce and valuable. She therefore will CHASE IT. Stop being desperate to call a woman your girlfriend. You shouldn't even be in a place to do that if you're vetting other women. So even WANTING to tie a woman down signals that you're in scarcity. Which is why she starts running after you go all in too soon. Realistically, it should take more than a year to fully vet a woman. Granted, you can figure a woman out in minutes if you know how to ask the right questions. But it will take time to see that her words match her actions in cases where she has yellow flags. One of the most important things guys fail to vet for is the presence of other men in her life. If she asks to be exclusive first, ask her this, "do you have any guy friends?" If she says, "yes" tell her "let's just leave it like it is for now."
@budscyan3247
@budscyan3247 Жыл бұрын
Just put me on hella game 🎉
@MeidoInHebun
@MeidoInHebun Жыл бұрын
Love the last line.
@john_carter8243
@john_carter8243 Жыл бұрын
if you listen to this guy... you will get Me-Too-ed and accused of gRAPE
@taskogaming5324
@taskogaming5324 Жыл бұрын
Bro you fixed my fear of losing a girl I was toxic and I thought that if you do more to your girl she will love you more I was having fear of cheating on me I didn't know female nature or psychology I watched all your videos in one day and my mindset changed 180° you opened my eyes thank YOU sooo much casey zander 💪
@rayawake
@rayawake Жыл бұрын
I’m really happy for you brother. Bro I’m 38 and have 3 beautiful kids with a woman who I got so emotionally dependent on her and then cheated and then left me. And split up our fucking family. Casey you are saving men from ruining their lives. My life isn’t ruined I’m an awesome dad and I love my kids but the mother of my children isn’t in my life and it’s a damn shame. And it’s my fault because I was such a baby of a man. Now I’m leveling up but I wish I had known this when I was younger. Everything I just said is true. Become the man!!
@mat7083
@mat7083 Жыл бұрын
@@rayawakeYour comment proves that wisdom doesn’t simply come with age, but maturity. Godspeed
@harveyf.dorchester3896
@harveyf.dorchester3896 Жыл бұрын
Bookmarked this to send to my brother, who is going through a breakup. He is a feminized high value man. We are heading overseas to pick up some kitty cats to restore his masculine frame, because the USA is a toxic wasteland for men. Zander, you are revealing essential and necessary truths, and everyone is better off, including the women!
@Thedavidjkelly
@Thedavidjkelly Жыл бұрын
The bottom line is that when you are “that guy” you have many female options and you’re working on your purpose in life. Why the hell would you want to commit to just one girl? Most of it comes back to insecurity due to a lack of self confidence. Most guys don’t have the aforementioned because they have made the mistake of prioritizing female companionship above all else. I was like that when I was younger.
@Stop-loss-BoSS
@Stop-loss-BoSS Жыл бұрын
Shit took me 30 to 32 years to figure this slshit out. Let me tell you this THIS IS HARD!!!!!
@Kris_stoff
@Kris_stoff Жыл бұрын
Nice guys finish last Bad boys finish on her face
@CG-wr4no
@CG-wr4no Жыл бұрын
Sounds promising. Make sure to let her know that on your first date ;)
@OliverSebe-d2j
@OliverSebe-d2j Жыл бұрын
The milkman said 😂😂😂
@rhuiden4086
@rhuiden4086 Жыл бұрын
​@@CG-wr4noshe knows that already but wont tell you ;-)
@shaunajin8497
@shaunajin8497 Жыл бұрын
Ur a toxic fuck boy. Grow up!
@Katarzyna-h2z
@Katarzyna-h2z 6 ай бұрын
Very masculine...
@torydutton9148
@torydutton9148 Жыл бұрын
I’ve been married 29 years. Actually, this probably explains why. I’ve never let my wife decide what my time should be spent on.
@mungucitimothy3530
@mungucitimothy3530 Жыл бұрын
There should be more men like you out here man. Respect 100% 👌
@cdeep4548
@cdeep4548 9 ай бұрын
When you’re on your death bed and you look back on your life, are you going to feel like you spent your life well? Living in anxiety over whether or not a woman is going to stay with you or leave you. Living for approval of others. Prioritizing a hedonistic lifestyle over connections. Are you really going to look back at your life and tell yourself you lived an authentic life that aligned with your core? Or are you going to look back and see how trauma dictated your actions and life to the point where you wasted opportunities to experience the things that really matter?
@JavierRamirezLive
@JavierRamirezLive Жыл бұрын
Listen up boys. I wish I had this advice 20 years ago‼️
@SandisGr
@SandisGr Жыл бұрын
Guys, commit to one girl if you want her to stop desiring and respecting you.
@chercher304
@chercher304 Жыл бұрын
This is so immature all he is doing is turning men from anxious attachment to avoidant attachment! Then using women's fear of losing a guy to keep them!! fear! The whole thing is degenerate!! Heal yourself first, become a real man then stop dating broken women!! Trying to save a broken woman who does not heal her trauma will not end well!! Women who are starved of emotional intimacy will not stay with you either. That is why detachment never works!!
@MikeVangundy-pr9lz
@MikeVangundy-pr9lz Жыл бұрын
That's why you cant go to the degenerates. Qauilty of quantity
@shaunajin8497
@shaunajin8497 Жыл бұрын
NAILED IT @chercher!!! ❤❤❤
@jochy67
@jochy67 Жыл бұрын
Im so glad someone like you puts these things out there, the manosphere wasnt extreme enough on female nature yet
@josesantana770
@josesantana770 Жыл бұрын
You can't explain what you can't understand.
@jochy67
@jochy67 Жыл бұрын
@@josesantana770 most understand but Just cant get to that level of losing their Disney reality
@Fishlordfocker
@Fishlordfocker Жыл бұрын
@@josesantana770🎉
@prussiansocietyofamerica
@prussiansocietyofamerica Жыл бұрын
It's completely false that Women fall in love with Men when they are "apart". Those are the Dark Triad types, but it's because she is using you for money and only "Loves" you when you come around occasionally because she wants the rest of the time to be riding the carousel. Believe me, a girl who is capable of love and genuinely in love, will be obsessed with a Man and want to spend every moment with that Man and never tire of him. No exceptions. Everything else means she is seeing other dudes.
@teamneverlost
@teamneverlost Жыл бұрын
Familiarity breeds contempt
@prussiansocietyofamerica
@prussiansocietyofamerica Жыл бұрын
@@teamneverlost Only to people who are boring automatons and empty vessels.
@teamneverlost
@teamneverlost Жыл бұрын
@@prussiansocietyofamerica Of course doesn't apply to special people like you
@prussiansocietyofamerica
@prussiansocietyofamerica Жыл бұрын
@@teamneverlost You sound triggered. Unfortunately it's because of people like you, you just accept the status quo and expect the rest of mankind to deal with it. Centuries worth of programming and suppression of others, all because you probably are married or involved with some ungrateful XX, and loathe the idea Men who've ever experienced a notion of a girlfriend or wife who is like a gift that keeps on giving.
@CG-wr4no
@CG-wr4no Жыл бұрын
Yesss, finally someone on here that has a vantage point that can see this. A healthy woman builds connection in your presence in live time and it is maintained in times apart. The times apart is supposed to be for the autonomous aspect living each other's lives on their own too. When it's a good balance of time together and time apart the polarity of attraction stays. Once it becomes excessive (too much time together, too much attention to the point where if feels smothering for either partner) or if it's deficient (not enough time and energy invested where it lacks the necessary components of a healthy dynamic) then the attraction drops. But it can change just as quick as it dropped though so you just have to get back into a healthy polarity again. It's true that you have to be willing to walk away that just simply means you're not overly attached (overly attached leads to the excessive spectrum) it also means you're confident and confident just means you're self reliant, self regulated, and know you always have your back and don't fold out of fear. Some of what he says is true, but some is off track. Just don't be excessive. A healthy woman will want consistency, care, investment, him leading and progressing forward all on his own.
@jaylenjimson8973
@jaylenjimson8973 Жыл бұрын
@CaseyZander I believe that this advice is for worldly women, not a true God-fearing woman. Yes, majority of women who claim to be a church woman are not truly living as God wants them to be but a true God-fearing woman will actually appreciate a man who shows masculine traits and actual interest in commitment. So before you guys use these tactics test the woman's spirit and see if she is worthy of you showing her your committable side. But majority are not worth the commitment
@superfabian143
@superfabian143 Жыл бұрын
But when I show indifference after let’s say 2 years of dating, I think If she has string boundaries she will end it. I can see that in the beginning this indifference thing might me attractive but after some time, it’s bad to show indifference, as there will be never a loving relationship. Of course yiur should always peruse your own life/ business / career/ hobbies but at some point you have to get rid of the indifference
@b_jwright24
@b_jwright24 11 ай бұрын
Ya that’s spot on. You can’t be a total fuck when it comes to it. Women want respect and if you continuously fail to provide that, the relationship will soon end. He makes great points but there’s no need to become a cock weasel and treat a girl like your toy.
@franktello4888
@franktello4888 Жыл бұрын
Good shit Casey! Coming from a home with a strong father figure, you say things my father can’t explain but shows in everyday situations. Put yourself first, because if it goes good for you, a men would lay everything give everything for the things he loves. A women that doesn’t understand that is not worth the time. Stay strong kings
@dask1516
@dask1516 Жыл бұрын
I can tell you I know for a fact that if you don't show some form of commitment to a woman it's not going to last. This guy is referring to narcissistic women women that is broken or women that are super young.. If a woman doesn't feel like she's getting any commitment from you she will definitely move on that is a fact
@prussiansocietyofamerica
@prussiansocietyofamerica Жыл бұрын
There are a lot of dynamics going on all at once. It's a double-edged sword. First, to begin with, almost all XX's are Narcissistic in these times, because the majority of genetics which have been breeding, come from families who have it in their genetics. It is not taught or learned, it lives on in the Blood, inside their DNA. People who are not Narcissistic, have largely not been reproducing for many decades now. The problem with this dude's advice is that he is trying to have Men adhere to the status quo rather than reclaiming their Masculinity by dominating and taking ownership of Women once again. The other thing is that the even younger generations are confused at life, confused what they want and let alone what gender they are when they wake up, so they are allergic to commitment. One must balance two opposing principles but yet live for one of them at the same time. Nevertheless, it is the Woman's job to seek commitment. If a Woman does not commit to you, there is no point in investing anything into her, period.
@shaunajin8497
@shaunajin8497 Жыл бұрын
Agreed 💯 @Dask!!! That's what I've been saying. Casey apparently only has experience w narcissistic broken women who use and abuse men. These women don't deserve ur commitment. But what about the women who are healthy and authentic and ready for real love? Any self respecting woman who has a lot to offer any man will walk.
@dask1516
@dask1516 Жыл бұрын
@@prussiansocietyofamerica you're absolutely right about masculinity. You know more men at need to walk around and ask themselves is this girl good enough to me is she up to my standards is she of significant value or is she just another cheap sleeze who don't deserve me.. Men need to understand that you have to have morals and you have to view yourself as a higher value person and hold your head up high.. This guy is asking you to fight your natural basic instincts just to get laid and that's the wrong minds said the mindset should be is she good enough for me
@dask1516
@dask1516 Жыл бұрын
@@shaunajin8497 I have no idea where this guy comes up with this nonsense you know people actually listen to this and believe this shit LOL
@donalgraeme
@donalgraeme Жыл бұрын
It's likely not going last anyway, regardless of your approach. Women initiate ~80% of divorces. So how many more break ups they must initiate, when there's no marital assets to consider, minimal (by comparison) logistical complications, nor attorneys to pay? It's got to be more than ~80%.
@blackcavi4515
@blackcavi4515 Жыл бұрын
"You ruin the experience of love for a woman" 😭😂 I had to give you the 👍🏿 up for that sentiment. I'm dealing with "men" around me that are on this low vibration menstrual cycle; pimps and players my ass.
@traviswilson8693
@traviswilson8693 26 күн бұрын
Man this guy is so on point thank you.
@TheShospitali
@TheShospitali 11 ай бұрын
This man Casey Zander must've gone through some HELL on Earth to know all this crap.🚽😂
@hufficag
@hufficag 9 ай бұрын
I never wasted my time cuddling or talking to girls as a student. Top student, top university, always alone. Then I went overseas, hot girls coming to my room, making out, I refuse the sex, I never take them on dates, never buy them stuff. Girl comes with gifts and snacks. I focus on my mission, finances, and getting to the next country. Neighbour women used to come after a shower, with no panties on, asking for a relationship. Eventually after 12 years, girls aren't interested anymore. I don't meet anyone anymore, I just focus on work, reading, writing. Yes I desire companionship, having a smart feminine woman beaming with smiles in my presence. I see a jazz club and wan to take a girl in for cocktails and live music. I see a flower shop and want to buy flowers. I see exotic streets in a new city and I want to take her with me. I see some good restaurant and I want to share the food. But that's all needy and kills attraction. So I just don't bother True alpha
@Tony_Anthemz
@Tony_Anthemz Жыл бұрын
I just clap cheeks and go about my business.. I don't have those problems 🍑👏
@fernandodesousa9362
@fernandodesousa9362 Жыл бұрын
Great video I went through everything that you mentioned in the video but I learned the hard way that the more you prioritize, a woman the more they lose interest. From the moment that you stop working out, start getting fat, start to take too many days off of at work to be with your woman, she will lose desire. If you want a woman to stay attracted to you, treat her good but treat yourself better go to the gym make your money have friends and she will follow you on whatever you do. Women just like to be with a man desired by other women, you don’t need to cheat you just need to put yourself first and not be afraid to lose her.
@Handlinmybusiness2024
@Handlinmybusiness2024 Жыл бұрын
@donfranklin6956
@donfranklin6956 Жыл бұрын
Been married 28 yeas. Can definitely confirm that commitment kills desire. 🙂
@beyondheartmindsoul3443
@beyondheartmindsoul3443 Жыл бұрын
Having married for 5 years straight desire is killed in year 2 of marriage now 3 years later no desire on woman part.
@operationgetthugs232
@operationgetthugs232 Жыл бұрын
No, an idiot husband kills desire.
@mokshnigamsatsangi1780
@mokshnigamsatsangi1780 Жыл бұрын
"Men ruin the experience of love for women". Sure I love the reality in this statement. We should take responsibility and rectify. But what about the experience of love for us? that is ruined because these modern women react negatively to it, as you've been teaching. And yes I know that men should love their mission only but this bastard testosterone in us makes it challenging to go against it. I know you're just a messenger too.
@notredamekid15
@notredamekid15 Жыл бұрын
This dude been down soooo bad since his girl broke up with him. Preaching g all these tactics to keep your girl around and yet he couldn’t execute. Keep eating up them wolf tickets
@victorferreira3199
@victorferreira3199 Жыл бұрын
what? his gf broke up with him? what happened exactly?
@notredamekid15
@notredamekid15 Жыл бұрын
@@victorferreira3199 kzbin.info/www/bejne/b5DUpZRmjqmEnM0si=U1gUvmw3I9mUNm0L
@_st971
@_st971 Жыл бұрын
Id like to know a time you really did fall in love have you ever? Like damn its okay to be in love too - what about people who want a life partner its a valuable thing to have a womans support and loyalty too.
@thomashilmersen711
@thomashilmersen711 Жыл бұрын
Sure, you are right about this, but on the other hand: Lack of commitment eventually kill all relationships. I know lots of cool, independent guys who have gotten dumped by a girl after anything from 3 months to 2 years, simply because they didn't want to "take the relationship to the next level". This is how most couples end up in a comfortable relationship that is usually faithful, but without much desire between the partners.
@treviancalhoun7693
@treviancalhoun7693 Жыл бұрын
They come back on the low and if not then it’s just not the right time for you even if it’s the right girl. It’s up to you when you decide to “settle” down
@TheShermanki1
@TheShermanki1 Жыл бұрын
Who gives af what level they wanna go to … take out sex : women are nothing
@jvanleeuwenCdn
@jvanleeuwenCdn Жыл бұрын
I like this, umm but so when you decide to "settle" down, you become an woman?? This is the struggle no? @@treviancalhoun7693
@JoeBudd-D
@JoeBudd-D Жыл бұрын
@@treviancalhoun7693 but the moment you settle down is the moment you commit. That’s when it all goes downhill.
@madjunir
@madjunir Жыл бұрын
​@@JoeBudd-DIt usually goes downhill if the woman is not traditional. If she's a modern boss babe then it goes down pretty fast because their goal is Hypergamy. But when you find a tradgirl. Well raised. Specially religious then she is expected to marry once. She's not looking to replace you the moment something bad happens. She values loyalty. You can have a trad wife and a family with this woman. However the only downside or compromise is the seggs. The seggs is mostly for reproduction (unless she has willingly gone through marriage counseling and learns that having more seggs, dates and one on one time is also important for the relationship (not just the kids). So yeah there's still good trad woman out there but again with some compromises.
@ariaarulasan
@ariaarulasan Жыл бұрын
This is very true.
@jimmythesnagglepuss
@jimmythesnagglepuss 11 ай бұрын
Amazing content.. been looking for words like this for a while. I've had a portion of the game sorted out for the last 8 years or so, and I've slept with lots of women... But as soon as i come across a girl i truly like, I typically stumble and destroy attraction through neediness - which was always something I tried to avoid. The hard part is ignoring the strong feelings when you truly like a girl... I find that the most difficult part.
@Sayed-du9px
@Sayed-du9px 11 ай бұрын
You are not the only one bruh all of us do that shit 😂😂😂
@dudewat212
@dudewat212 Жыл бұрын
What happened to The Zander Life podcast? All the episodes and content is gone.
@JosephFarrier-c8q
@JosephFarrier-c8q 5 ай бұрын
Im 39 bro i think all men know deep dwn these truths we neeeed to hear it though😂 no your all not crazy
@Bravo_7_6
@Bravo_7_6 Жыл бұрын
What if the woman complains exactly about not having received enough care ? What if she says that what she wants is more involvement from the man ? What if she interprets the lack of communication frequency as lack of interest ? How do you get her full, reliable long-term commitment, besides just "not giving a f***" ?
@1younglock
@1younglock Жыл бұрын
Great question ❗️
@shockmarkets7384
@shockmarkets7384 Жыл бұрын
Casey is running a business. He gives lots of good info here that some could run with, and they'd be fine. If you need more, he has a course called Masculinity Blueprint Accelerator 2.0. There's a link to a webinar in the description. I didn't hear him mention it. He usually does.
@oscargonza2748
@oscargonza2748 Жыл бұрын
Simply do less of what she's complaining about, ever heard of the term less is more with women, the less you do for them the more they do for you? Ever heard of bread crumming? Don't lavish her with too much affection or the relationship fizzles out on her part, bruh
@SupaMegaBigHustle
@SupaMegaBigHustle Ай бұрын
You are a blessing to the brotherhood keep up the good work brother. 👊
@rodneyrichardson8286
@rodneyrichardson8286 Жыл бұрын
That's why you be teaching guys how to except rejection,because no matter how well you practice these concepts there will be rejection and a lot of it.the words that women like to say the most, no and I'm pregnant.
@oscargonza2748
@oscargonza2748 Жыл бұрын
Or they'll say, i have a boyfriend, when they really don't
@nateradcliffe9562
@nateradcliffe9562 Жыл бұрын
You are incredible Casey! Started self improving and valuing my time more than I used to, now I don’t really want them and now life is way easier 💪🏼
@putmynameontheinternet8133
@putmynameontheinternet8133 Жыл бұрын
I’ve experienced this on both ends. I’ve gone in for commitment and had a friend later tell me she lost all respect for me (one of her friends) and I’ve truly not given a fuck and had women literally fighting over me.. mind you they came from class and were professionals. It’s literally better to just not give a f*.. the solution is to be emotionally intimate with your friends (platonic make friends) and just fk women. Get into game as a sport with your boys, enjoy pulling, get into as a fun thing to do. Eventually you’ll just start looking at getting laid as a game. I live with my boys, we all have businesses, we work out together; we pray together, we eat together, and come Friday night, we go pull cause it’s fun. We all have chicks on rotation. And it’s sport for us. We tap back into the online community like this every now and then.. but like we’ve had this for 6 years and we’re all richer and fitter and truly enjoying life.
@faschwank
@faschwank 10 ай бұрын
So, if i want a woman, I shouldn't want a woman. OK...Got it.
@acefully4703
@acefully4703 Жыл бұрын
Fellas stop ruining the love experience for these women honestly
@lukecage6351
@lukecage6351 Жыл бұрын
Casey is beginning to get into the class of Kevin Samuels (the godfather). Keep it up Casey!! You saving men in America
@thebird9766
@thebird9766 Жыл бұрын
My wife left me after 10 years. One day we were fine, and the next day she was gone. Beast mode activated.
@jvanleeuwenCdn
@jvanleeuwenCdn Жыл бұрын
This might be why so many guys can't figure out what went wrong. Dude, you turned into an chick instead of pursuing your purpose. But, not all Men can live an life of abundance. *** I am 100% sure of this ***
@peter2945
@peter2945 Жыл бұрын
I have a friend who acts exactly the way you describe but gets zero tail. there must be a balance between pursuit and indifference. Please explain how to pursue and get a woman to see us as more than wallpaper
@slaytanic921
@slaytanic921 8 ай бұрын
Describe your friend though.
@marksmith8663
@marksmith8663 Жыл бұрын
They crave a relationship from the man they want then they push them away in the divorce courts and feel they deserve everything you worked for because they got what they wanted. You couldn’t make it up . Yes I found out the hard way .
@EliHitsBills
@EliHitsBills Жыл бұрын
Good things coming your way keep ya head up g
@SirHerk
@SirHerk Жыл бұрын
These videos really hurt to listen to.. I’m so in love with this broad, and I’m doing everything wrong . Man I need help!!!!
@jorgealvarado7151
@jorgealvarado7151 Жыл бұрын
So how do we foster a long term relationship if the very essence of commitment destroys the relationship itself?
@tomaszsosnowski9279
@tomaszsosnowski9279 Жыл бұрын
It's her headache, not yours
@ChrisLee-yr7tz
@ChrisLee-yr7tz Жыл бұрын
That's what I'd like to know! Are all LTRs doomed? Also....is the purpose of these videos to help you get and keep a woman? If so then they're kinda circular and contradictory. If not, then the only real advice should be just ignore them and stop wanting one.
@josesantana770
@josesantana770 Жыл бұрын
Each part individually is responsible for his level of commitment. The essence of commitment doesn't destroy relationship, people do.
@MeidoInHebun
@MeidoInHebun Жыл бұрын
You don't. Or you do, but then be ready to look past her inevitable cheating.
@rhuiden4086
@rhuiden4086 Жыл бұрын
It worked in the past because social norms shamed a woman that tried to cheat as a low life. Nowadays this behaviour is enabled as her "finding herself".
@Osamusic-i1y
@Osamusic-i1y Жыл бұрын
Put God and yourself first 100 percent of the time.
@JosephFarrier-c8q
@JosephFarrier-c8q 5 ай бұрын
True
@Uvray
@Uvray Жыл бұрын
Yes, women lose that interest for you subconsciously as well. And they'll say to a friend: "I dunno what it is. He's a great guy but I just don't feel it."
@JoeBudd-D
@JoeBudd-D Жыл бұрын
Yea I don’t feel the butterflies 🦋 fireworks 🎇 going off
@harveyf.dorchester3896
@harveyf.dorchester3896 Жыл бұрын
A woman brings: sex and status to a man. That's it.
@engineeredyogi2382
@engineeredyogi2382 7 ай бұрын
Appreciate this video, currently having sleepless nights for last few months.. Not tonight, gonna rejuvenate like a warrior! especially feeling the end. It woke me up to remember who I am... appreciated casey 🙏🏿
@kosiekoos9408
@kosiekoos9408 Жыл бұрын
My wife was not impressed by the 1000 dollar swiss watch. She cant get enough of the 50 dollar Guess watch. Lesson learned.
@MuseSunflower
@MuseSunflower 10 ай бұрын
It doesn’t sound like it’s the commitment that ruins desire but moreso the loss of someones sense of self that starts to make them unattractive In the beginning of dating you were probably present but detached and had other things going on. So there was space to come towards you. Whereas when you let your life go, there’s suddenly no space and that feels too smothering for people. There needs to be that feeling of otherness so you can miss each other. That’s my interpretation after hearing all these theories
@bennyjohnson9427
@bennyjohnson9427 6 ай бұрын
Sorry Bro But the Bible proves you wrong. Perhaps you need to rephrase what you're trying to convey. Either God is right or you're right. I'm picking God and Marriage. Again , Perhaps you chose the wrong words
@jaygergits1427
@jaygergits1427 10 ай бұрын
Great advice. Giving zero F*!#S Is the absolute answer. To woman and many other things. When you do and act like you give a F#&k you will get run over ,in business, relationships, ie. Platonic, romantic, sexual, family.Seems harsh and selfish but you'll be able to pick and choose the amount of F#$KS or not you choose to give to a situation instead of taking what you can get and being ok with it. No NoNo No No ! Thanks Casey👍
@ventolen
@ventolen Жыл бұрын
Holy crap, I was listening to Casey to " cram " before a date, I played it cool for 4-5 hrs and she was paying for the hotel room. So we got there. But then, I noticed these tests.. she wanted to make fun of my name and tell me how that's a girl's name. Immaculate me right off the bat.. and I had the right stuff to say this time, how it's a good strong Italian name.. oh, and she pulled the fact that I was out with my guys.. " I musta had a hot date " ... I may have handled that one also... But here they come... Bring in more tests let's see if I leave her alone to do her thing.. or give her a cool, funny comeback to deflect the test. I'm practicing Non Reactive now... Be the rock. I also have 6 other girls who want to " vacation " near me... So, we shall see. I'm seeing things more clearly. Pay attention Men. " they kiss long They can kiss sweet Woman also can make things stand That have no feet ! "
@JosephFarrier-c8q
@JosephFarrier-c8q 5 ай бұрын
Well said❤
@masonmisenheimer275
@masonmisenheimer275 Жыл бұрын
I have a question casey can you never marry a woman ever under any circumstances and can a woman ever be and stay married with a masculine man
@user-gp5yh7eg4z
@user-gp5yh7eg4z 24 күн бұрын
It's all so simple when young men remove the blinders and blindfolds and pedestals and purity and see their basic nature for what it is
@KrisKazmierski
@KrisKazmierski Жыл бұрын
This vid and especially the video’s closing statement was chocked full of rich advice. Thanks Casey!
@scottvillian
@scottvillian Жыл бұрын
No man who leads so many, could ever kneel so quickly. Superman 2
@deneseepaul6882
@deneseepaul6882 Жыл бұрын
I ain't gonna lie, yes, I do want someone to text me "good morning sweetie" every day and "I love you", yes I do enjoy it, guilty! And I enjoy dishing it out. Alas what he is saying is true, otherwise I wouldn't be going through this separation lol
@A.nasierkhan
@A.nasierkhan 2 ай бұрын
12:10 😂😂
@thomashilmersen711
@thomashilmersen711 Жыл бұрын
Another thing is that you have millions of guys who have focused so much on themselves and their business that the woman has felt very lonely and has cheated on these guys. It happens all the time. There's no "free lunch" in life. You need to do some work in every area, and it's naive to think that your relationship with a woman will get better, the less you give. The scientific solution is not never to give or always to give, but to give intermittently. You can read about this in the literature on "positive reinforcement".
@shaunajin8497
@shaunajin8497 Жыл бұрын
Agreed. Casey's advice is so unhealthy. It also assumes all women are like this. It only works if ur a toxic fuck boy who dates only toxic fuck girls.
@shaunajin8497
@shaunajin8497 Жыл бұрын
Also moderation in all things. Don't be a simp but also no man is a beast 24/7. Nor is that healthy. We all need companionship and it's not being weak to want or admit that. A real man embraces both his masculine and feminine traits and balances when to give to himself and when to pour into his relationship.
@thomashilmersen711
@thomashilmersen711 Жыл бұрын
@@shaunajin8497 Yes, exactly!
@aiLoveE
@aiLoveE Жыл бұрын
and the key to all of this? love yourself!
@Tyler-wl8kq
@Tyler-wl8kq Жыл бұрын
This IS the game right here men
@MLBlanc-mh4pw
@MLBlanc-mh4pw Жыл бұрын
Protect this man at all costs!
@rxnimusic
@rxnimusic 8 ай бұрын
Does that mean I should break up with my new girlfriend of 2 weeks
@jdenha7078
@jdenha7078 Жыл бұрын
Basically you have to learn how to fake it in order to make it even if you want her so bad
@chrisc1044
@chrisc1044 Жыл бұрын
Man I needed hear that this morning
@CharlesBaxter-s7g
@CharlesBaxter-s7g 4 ай бұрын
Just keep being a Mystery Mon & She Begs for you❤️😋
@rashaddavis3143
@rashaddavis3143 Жыл бұрын
He is the best on KZbin bro hands down CZ !!!💯💯💯💪🎯 He spits 🔥🔥🔥
@williamalmonte4906
@williamalmonte4906 Жыл бұрын
We're fucked because of people like this. Be conscious and aware of yourself and you'll realize you have everything you will ever need. Universal energy style ❤
@nightcall7398
@nightcall7398 Жыл бұрын
This is the truth about alphas. They arent born. No one born given a title just for existing is worth anything. Its the one who builds and adapts. Beautiful message.
@bestchannel4587
@bestchannel4587 Жыл бұрын
Cope you are either born a Chad or a beta. Jeremy Meeks was born a Chad and got million dollar modeling contract .
@slaytanic921
@slaytanic921 8 ай бұрын
@@bestchannel4587☕️
@mikedoyle7300
@mikedoyle7300 6 ай бұрын
Puffin a Dobie as he says don't smoke weed. Weird.
@travislovelady3288
@travislovelady3288 Жыл бұрын
So love women but hate them too? That's confusing...
@Rob-nl5ge
@Rob-nl5ge 5 ай бұрын
He didn’t say hate them, he said be indifferent.
@travislovelady3288
@travislovelady3288 5 ай бұрын
Of you can not be honest with yourself then how do you expect to be honest with other people. Although you may have read the signs,you have misinterpreted its meaning altogether... so let us look at thecother side if the coin,shall we. Are you not tired if hearing just one part of the story? Are you not curious to learn it's "conclusion...
@travislovelady3288
@travislovelady3288 5 ай бұрын
What would be the scenario...if it was reversed...
@travislovelady3288
@travislovelady3288 5 ай бұрын
That choice you must discover for yourselves...for nobody can force your hand on the choice itself..you must choose willingly...
@pratik6342
@pratik6342 Жыл бұрын
Pure GOLD.. Learn the art of not giving a fuck. The moment you care, it ends right there.
@cosmic687
@cosmic687 Жыл бұрын
a girl told me the other day that she wants a man to care about there
@pratik6342
@pratik6342 Жыл бұрын
@@cosmic687 Never listen to girl..what she tells you she wants and what she actually wants is a different thing..I recently had a experience where the moment I got attached, emotional and started caring about her, she pulled back. That's how it works. Showing care is okay but the moment you get attached , it's technically over.
@Rob-nl5ge
@Rob-nl5ge 5 ай бұрын
@@cosmic687Whatever she tells you, do the opposite.
@producermind9030
@producermind9030 21 күн бұрын
This one hits hard. Need to hear it though. Truth bombs 💣
@Dj.D25
@Dj.D25 Жыл бұрын
When a woman tells me her troubles, and I am open to possibly asking her out, how much should I really care about her troubles or feel bad for her?
@oscargonza2748
@oscargonza2748 Жыл бұрын
Her troubles are her troubles not yours, she will eventually deal with them, don't become her emotional tampon and try to fix her problems you are not Dr phil, you are to focus on yourself and building up your value so that if she leaves you, you will have something of value to look forward to enjoy other than pleasing a woman, your path and your purpose is your top priority not women, bruh
@vazquez7871
@vazquez7871 Жыл бұрын
I needed this pep talk lol ..I'm always in frame but sometimes I need to beat this shit into my head
@DonDoland
@DonDoland 8 ай бұрын
Inspirational video
@MillerTheOfficialLoFi
@MillerTheOfficialLoFi Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. I forgot was Michael Jordan good at basketball?
@thebird9766
@thebird9766 Жыл бұрын
Last 2 minutes of this is gold
@kenman200
@kenman200 Жыл бұрын
Bro…Outstanding! Spot on brother 🫡
@Remi10pm
@Remi10pm 10 ай бұрын
How can you use Hypergamy to ur advantage? The only advantage I see is having multiple options... other than that it's an exhausting revolving door 😮‍💨 gonna put my energy into myself for a While. Can't stress abt these Heaux 😂
@CBaskins420
@CBaskins420 Жыл бұрын
Dude, why doesn’t this video have like 10 million likes. I am a blind, disabled guy and my wife cheated on me and left me kicked me out of my own house a little while ago. Follow your philosophies and have landed chicks of all ages and statuses and beauty With a disability and I’m not the best looking guy and at this time I’m not even really that successful given I lost my job. I mean this is pretty much a backdoor to explaining the psychology of why women go for the bad guy. And I want to kick Hollywood’s ass for portraying, loving relationships, and such a deceptive manner. Well I gotta get out there and go make some money and work on myself. I got 12 dates scheduled out through the month of October. It’s going to be an expensive one.
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