Turning Boys Into Men: How To Master Power, Sex, Psychology To Stop Feeling Lost | Justin Waller

[@TomBilyeu]

WARNING: I will never ask for your contact info in the comments section, that is someone impersonating me!

[@Kevin-kj5th]

Tom I love you but the uptalk at the end of your sentences kill my brain

[@sunflower-oo1ff]

I am much more with Justin Waller on everything….Tom’s wife is very masculine , it’s his choice, and like many guys of his age group very defensive of their wives or else….they will be facing something bad at home…. Sad situation, these women are running the show. 👎

[@GuidetteExpert]

Ew, man are not wired to sleep with as many women possible. It means the guy has 100baby mamas & 100 children with daddy issues. Because daddy is barley seen or gives them quality time. + He spread STD towards all of them. Evolution is never unfair. Men use it as an excuse for having bad character.

[@hunterhemingway]

⁠@@sunflower-oo1ffI tilt towards Justin as well…in fact his experience with monogamy & women really made me feel seen. However, Tom just has a different balance of masculine/feminine. I think you’re diminishing his value & power assuming she runs the show. He specifically is the deciding factor when both understand fully but disagree, this was stated somewhere around hour 1.5-2, along with he’s the leader of the family. The thing is understanding where your balance lies…Tom isn’t some pushover, he’d never be where he is if he was. Your attribution & likening him to the pushover feminized men who can’t stick up for themselves at home, seems off.

[@sunflower-oo1ff]

@@hunterhemingway you definitely have a point. 👍

[@jonamross9242]

Great to see a mature conversation between two men who have differing viewpoints, but can maintain mutual respect while disagreeing.

[@josephleonardoeamon6198]

This is what's missing in the world today. This is also where the most learning takes place.

[@chrishayes5755]

these guys are delusional about there being "no master plan".. lmfao.

[@cx_n1]

It’s truly disgusting, I would never give airtime to anyone who thinks it’s ok to shaft others. An absolute travesty

[@damiandewitt7865]

yes but its not 100% differing

[@60sekundenpolitik]

@@cx_n1 what are you talking about?

[@taralove1806]

I do agree with him when he mentioned how school holds boys down. I dealt with it when my son was in 5th grade (2002ish)...and his Language Arts 25-yo New Teacher gave him a C- on a project of his choosing. He chose Jerry Rice...made a poster board and wrote a report. I supported but he did the work. He knew his football career inside out, and was crushed with the "C-". I met with his young new 25-year-old teacher...she said that boys need to choose another figure other than sports...I said really, "So are girls being told they can no longer write about horses?" No answer, it didn't help it was a difficult year and definitely killed his enthusiasm about putting effort into a report.

[@bliss4383]

SAT scores have proven males do better in Math, while females do better in English. Males are more left-brain thinkers and females are more right-brained thinkers. Michael Gurian’s books are about Neuroscience, a topic in find fascinating. He’s here on YT. But I think in your case, the teacher didn’t know who the subject was, so that meant more work for her to research him for accuracy. And her youth/inexperience likely also played into it. And if I we’re you, I would have gone to bat for him, too. Most females, myself included, don’t take an interest in football unless the men in their lives do. I have no clue who Jim Rice is…lol. Females are more adaptable to men, but I’ve never heard of a man doing things females tend to enjoy, like making scrap books. There was one exception that I know about….Rosy Greer loved to knit!

[@999legend8]

Feminism has resulted in some female teachers being unfair to boys at school.

[@kristinapace]

Wow how the education system tried to demoralise my son he was a lovely young man enjoyed education and was an A+ student top score in yr 8 exams the yr 9 maths teacher was less knowledgeable than in him in subjects which drove the arrogance of the teacher to ridicule my sons dreams and aspirations he mooked him in class and made him sit in the middle of the class with all the students placed in a U shape around him he had a clicker and would click it in his face It took me 8months to get to the top of the food chain in tge edu hiracy system when I finally spoke with the principles they put the teacher through a youth interaction program Only to return to the school 6 months later with a bigger vendetta he ended up bashing a year11 student and got diss missed By that time my son lost all faith in male educators but luckily through sporting coaches and parent support he ended up home schooling He's now a apprentice Deisiel Macanick kicking goals

[@bliss4383]

@@kristinapace That teacher either had Narcissistic Personality Disorder or he was a full blown Psychopath. That kind of maltreatment to a child is evil. Your son, even though he’s grown, may benefit from some Trauma Informed Care to discuss any aftermath pain he may be holding inside. Men tend to do that because of the societal teachings of “take it like a man,” as if a male doesn’t feel pain, let alone show it. They are taught to bottle it. (Or they take out on others like the teacher did.) Eventually, they develop and/or die from stress-related illnesses. Stress causes all kinds of Auto-Immune Disorders, whereby the body turns on itself. Drs. Bessel van der Kolk and Gabor Mate are leading experts on Trauma.

[@Mr.LevelUp.]

That may have happened 20 years ago but this breaks my heart, honestly. Masculinity is being demonised to the extent where it’s almost like a societal subconscious to destroy anything that’s perceived as masculinity. Boys can’t grow up to be men and be the superhero’s of society and their families, it’s all being eradicated. My heart bleeds for my generation.

[@WashingtonAli1]

Probably the best conversation on the internet displaying how to have a conversation with nuance, respect and fun! A masterclass.

[@360bro36]

The problem is distraction and immediate gratification through validation

[@OthelloBlaq]

This is a FANTASTIC example (in my opinion) of how men ARE being men! They both push each other on their ideas, personal philosophies and life standards. All the while seeking out the stone to build common ground and figuring out a way forward. It's not about the disagreement, it's IF there is something there that can be refined into a functional resource. I am so high right now! This isn't an echo chamber. Tom/ Justin y'all killed it, let's eat! 🍻 Cheers mates!!!

[@craigsmith2755]

Men work things out. Women just argue and complain.

[@jayarmstrong]

Perfectly said 👌

[@shelbysteiger6821]

Love how you guys didn’t agree on everything but really tried to understand the other person’s perspective.. great conversation! 😊

[@jacobtheanalyst]

Yes.

[@TomBilyeu]

Hey! Thanks for your comment. Listening to the other person and having diverse perspectives makes for a productive and interesting conversation. I'm glad you enjoyed the episode and appreciated the diverse perspectives! Best, Impact Theory Community Manager

[@chrisgrant8094]

This was an amazing talk. I just came across Justin in the last month, and have been watching impact theory for years. I was getting ready for a bit of a clash on some things, but this right here is what we need more of! 2 successful people, with open minds, going deeper on what could've been left at surface level topics and drill down to the core of where those beliefs are at their base, and come out with a mutual respect. Loved it!

[@Innerdiamond]

Two very different type of men. I'm more inclined towards Justine's type. He seems to have a different framework or moral structure than Tom. The head and the heart must lead!

[@shelbysteiger6821]

@@TomBilyeu Always great conversations! I listen to you most mornings, thank for all your content!

[@bryantharani6730]

J. Waller is right. When a man improves himself, everything else will follow him. Your look matter, assets, and knowledge

[@PepeCoinMania]

But society is pushed against it that’s the problem. All media demonizes men these days

[@thedarkestknight8381]

Not if your ugly and or short

[@ozb10]

I think theres a league for everyone when theae things are done. ​@@thedarkestknight8381

[@StewiethaChewie]

I can relate to this. My kids mom lost all respect for me after she got her nursing degree and makes more money then me. Sad part is I worked 3 jobs while in active addiction to support her while she was in school. But crap happens and it's time for me to turn the tables again.

[@husseinserunjjogi3036]

Broooooo, How did u get over this situation

[@chillinwithshawnb]

​@@husseinserunjjogi3036real talk

[@kaybrown7733]

​@husseinserunjjogi3036 Clearly he hasn't!

[@GoldKingsMan]

I knew a few nurses that seemed ok , and they were really into their guys and stayed had kids. Otherwise, nurses usually flakey.

[@corbin9612]

@@GoldKingsManfrom my mom who’s a nurse she said most female nurses value compassion over strength. Not how much you can give her but how much you can get your self. Speaking with lots of women in hospitals I’ve gotten alot of similar answers

[@fireteamcharlie6537]

Tom, you really took me by surprise on this episode. I followed you a long time ago but coming back after a while, I’m shocked at your mind and how genuine you are. This was a very important conversation, and I’m grateful that both of you have had this opportunity to have this discussion.

[@cx_n1]

You love that Tom gave a guy his platform to continue try to influence more men to take advantage of womens unpaid labour and for more women to fall for this nonsense too?! Same as how feminism is ruining men and women make it harder for themselves MEN AND WOMEN ARE NOT MADE THE SAME PHYSICALLY men do not breast feed children or give birth or take untold time off from their careers to look after kids and nowadays the woman has to clear up after the guy too. I feel sorry for the internet generation and the brainwashing that occurs. People don’t know how to think for themselves and blindly believe things Misogynists or even feminists say

[@jimmyjamessac7171]

Tom is as sure as tomorrow

[@southernguru1455]

He is visibly very insecure. Body language, voice tone and all says everything

[@TheGreekSneak]

This discussion was refreshing. Let's teach big media and politicians to communicate with us all in the same way.

[@jarenfromvenus]

Stop looking at the media.

[@marcchevrefils6660]

Haha ... politicians are rich puppets they will make it seem like they care, but they don't.

[@SrChalice]

Stop looking at politicians. It is time to turn away from them in order to get rid of them.

[@barreldreamz7852]

THESE TWO EXERCISED AND EXEMPLIFIED WHAT IT MEANS AND HOW TO HAVE DISCOURSE AND POSITIVE DISAGREEMENTS!!!! Two class acts and would love to see follow up podcasts between these two. 👏👏👏

[@terrybruton2964]

Yeah def. Its like swinging dicks but saying mine is doing the job.

[@wesleyturner1979]

He nailed the issue with where we are as a culture, right off the bat. It’s really hard for me to struggle raising a family and go into debt with a normal career (I’m a plumber) and then see people living the dream that did nothing. It makes you want to give up and burn the whole system down. It’s failed us…

[@Arishem34]

What a beta male thought.

[@thedarkestknight8381]

Cause this world is all about luck people refuse to admit it

[@BenWilliams-up3pi]

Don't be a victim man. Plumber is great career, really important for us all, sexy as fuck to women, a man who is actually useful. Plus who goes round to their house in the daytime, all dirty - that's women's porn fantasy! Just don't let yourself get bitched up by your woman. They find any insecurity in you and drill it like a rogue dentist until they find the nerve, and that will bring you down. Get the hell away from her until you've got your pride back. It will come back, I guarantee. PS Casey man, your work is so valuable.

[@acurrentlook15]

This conversation showed the level of control and intelligence both these men have. Great interview by Tom respect. Justin is a G.

[@russellkite4191]

"You must work hard to garner a set of skills that allow you to serve yourself and other people in a way that you find exciting. If you do that and you are making progress towards getting better at helping people at something that you are excited about you will even in moments of grief (pain and suffering) have fulfillment." -Tom Self-fulfillment is the optimal neurological state. This is gold.

[@NikGoretoy]

Thank you Tom and Justin for being so open in this discussion. There are so many good thoughts and points that relate to real men in our day and age. Let's all grow and build to be the best men we can do that we can establish a new era of men who are unshaken. Let's go brothers!

[@janetelamas4029]

I admired his honesty and showing how his values makes his life. They both show their vulnerabilities and their different views and respect to each other. Totally agreed about the media taking away the masculinity of men and how sex has become not a partnership or getting closer to another human being. So much to learn! Thank you for both🙏

[@Wonkyhorse1]

Tom getting in the social/political space is truly awsome. Nuanced, disagreeable but not needlessly and brilliant. Love it.

[@wadegaffney9104]

This is how conversations should be communicated! I love the different view points. If everyone thought and felt exactly the same there would be clones of yourself running around everywhere...

[@bige857]

Great conversation lads! I love the respectful push back on each others opinions, one of the best conversations I've seen in a long time.

[@KateSalvadour]

Hello, can we get to know each other?

[@murumariesattigit9783]

This is sanitized redpill garbage talk. This simp spoils his daughters but you gonna believe he isn’t the same with his chic? I see through this nonsense, he’s a simp pretender.

[@tomare6479]

Love love love, you mist be one of the more ladilike

[@FroggoLoverThings]

I love how they communicate and clarify with each other, and acknowledge emotions and personal values, instead of pretending they’re hyper masculine men that are strong and feel nothing

[@SubstituteTeacherGarvey]

All people feel it’s just some choose not to show it often to most or are learning ways to communicate in a way they know how. It’s important to be patient with others especially those we don’t agree with or understand. Have a Great day good share btw

[@persnipoles]

Seeming 'Hyper strong and feel[ing] nothing' is consistent with: I will do, and won't dwell in what isn't doing. So, for example, that person is not necessarily interested in discussing feelings about the shed he hasn't finished. One affects, wants to affect, and has time for affecting -- less for, say, commiserating. If they seem a bit outside of that frame it's because, for one thing, they're diagnosing.

[@Thilosophocl3s]

These two have reached the age where their self-respect comes before pretty much everything else.

[@bradleycollins2858]

I too spent years in an environment that was brutal and shaped me into a man. It was called being an Airborne Ranger. All young men need to experience a huge challenge in their lives in order to become a monster and then to tame that monster through the implementation of personal values, goals, and service.

[@JaRa-p9s]

Masculinity is necessary to guide little girls now a days into not being little ig models and only fan girls. It is needed Tom. You don't have children, do you know what children go through now a days that only a strong father can offer and be respected. ** I'm a female and I grew up with a strong father

[@NPFfumbi]

Yep. Needs to be a balance. Masculinity is def lacking

[@larrysummers8966]

Right, Tom is exactly the type of Man that's ruining America.

[@paraSocialParadox]

My North star: aim for perfection, and genuinely help those around you who are also aiming for the same

[@MrQubez]

Best conversation between 2 man with disagreement about masculinity, truly amazing. I myself agree with Justin. But man how perfectly calm and concrete answeres as to their viewpoints they are giving is just amazing. I usually hate this topic because its just a scream festival saying: "I know better". These great man really listen and try to understand eachother and even if the other changes their view on a little point they are respecting it and change their view. These are the real man we need more of. I love it!❤

[@carloscoward2674]

This is by far one of the best conversations about masculinity between two men's. Respected to the maximum guy's

[@domehouse79]

Two men’s? 😅

[@Shipdacheese]

@@domehouse79 Two men's what? Also you missed 'guy's'

[@Nostrada-mus]

It's not. Listen to Andrew Tate with Patrick Bet David.

[@frick6946]

@kevinhasafappingproblemm were your fingers on the wrong keys?

[@andrewsmith3257]

Two very opposite men 😅

[@erikowings6729]

I had only seen shorts of him and wasn't sure how I felt about him. Whether he was a legit winner or just some internet personality creation to fill a niche. Great talk and great to see just a good dude spreading his own positive message!

[@juniperk912]

Absolutely loved this! It's rare to hear people converse about masculinity without someone or myself getting too riled up. Usually someone ends up saying something that crosses a boundary or says something completely illogical and dumb. The respect, thought, articulation and tone of this entire conversation was what made it stand out. Much needed and appreciated. Thank you guys!

[@justawaitress8421]

That's why these two, whole very different, are still both MEN

[@willdavis2964]

One amazing man-to-man conversation. Love the honesty and respect between these two.

[@Person0fColor]

@@GarfieldDonatello89 This is for guys who dont have a father or dont respect theirs.

[@GarfieldDonatello89]

@@Person0fColor beta and alpha big difference

[@MayaGeeDaPrinter]

This has to be the most mentally stimulating discussion I have heard in a very long time. The way you guys respected each others position is just flawless. And Tom you are right on 99% of your points. 🤓

[@jesusjuarez4166]

The genuine deep emotion behind that first response. Brought a tear to my eye. 2:13:18

[@vladimirreyes5040]

It’s nice to see a genuine interaction w 2 people picking each others brain 🧠

[@u2ooby]

People who don't have kids just will never understand the true joy of having a child...and IMO are missing out on one of the best things about life..

[@bagsflyfree7710]

I think people want to have kids but fear the woman will take them from him and the kid will be raised without a father figure. I'd say that's worse 😂

[@ayanna439]

Many women die from childbirth and/or suffered injuries & long-term complications. Why are you trying to convince women to have children in a corrupt system that PREYS on children? 🤬 You're not even allowed to "handle" predators when they violate your kid because it's against the law 🙄🤡 You made the choice to have kids now live in it but leave childfree women alone.

[@jenniferbryn]

I have never listened to Mr. Waller and am very new to Impact Theory itself, but as an admirer of complex, respectful conversation, I wanted to thank you both for such an engaging podcast. I subscribed because I like the confidence of Mr. Bilyeu without defaulting to tiresome arrogance and aggression. Too many interviewers are pedaling cartoonish personalities for views. i think every person can benefit from listening to non-judgmental, open-minded conversation. That's where the true salesmanship of Mr. Bilyeu is so evident and yet still welcome. He's worth buying into as an influencer.

[@thezu9250]

Waller is a HORRIBLE toxic person. His energy is so disrespectful and fragile when interacting with women. These toxic dudes only act civil and respectful when talking to men.

[@coolkid24ism]

​@@thezu9250😂😂 you're a clown 🤡

[@nickbondarenko8889]

Justin Waller seems like a good, genuine, kind hearted, authentic person. He is showing a great example for young men on how to love their life. It’s important for men to understand that life will present so many challenges and hardships but men have to stay strong and withstand this so that they can come out strong and achieve success. Whatever their success it may be.

[@KevinEckelmann]

An interview that all MEN need!!! Shout out to Tom and JWaller 2 real ones!!!

[@GrimFowler]

this was wholesome and educational as hell, this is like a class on how disagreeing sides can work together to an even better effect that agreeing sides

[@BO_Knows143]

This is how you have an intelligent conversation,. They were not "married to their ideals," impeccable listening, and respect. I learned a lot from both Tom and Justin. I lean more toward Justin but Tom got me to think deeply about what I believe and why I believe it. Great interview brothers!

[@lliioonnheart9874]

Women only cheat for someone "higher" If shes in a superficial relationship. Her relationship is not even real, its just safety reasons, fear of being alone, convenient, etc If a woman really loves a man, she wont cheat. The mistake people believe is that, they think a woman is in love, because she is married and has kids to a man. But thats not true. So many women settle for guys they dont love, in fear of being alone, or he could have a good income, to look after her and the kids. Social media has opened the window for women to actually find someone out of there area. That their compatible with. But i agree with this chap. Women should be patient before rushing into a relationship in the first place. And it does disgust me also that they are having a double dip after deciding to settling down. To many people are not playing around when they should, in their 20's. This will give them wisdom and life experience in what they want in a partner. But most people now want to start families and get married in their 20's. But havent discovered who they are, what they like etc. So now they are essential playing around in their 30s, with husband and kids. I see it everywhere and it is disgusting. Marriage is not marriage anymore. People get married for the spectacle of the event. And the relief of not being alone anymore. Its doesnt mean anything now. Instant gratification fuels the generation now. If you get married and have babies, you are the attention for that moment. Than it wears off and then they realize......... shit!! i just hads kids and married someone that im not actually in love with. It was just the energy of the moment. But entitlement says..... Who cares that i married someone and that i have kids to this person, now is my time to find the real love of my life. SMH So many people double dipping after making life long commitments.

[@mrjimenez11]

The whole message boils down to men have to struggle to become great. Not all are guaranteed to be great just bc you struggle but you’re guaranteed to not be great if you never struggle.. just strive to be the best man you can be and forget about how hard it is and what the outcome is gonna be..

[@MixiestA]

@@KingCrab85 Depends what success means to you. For me its not to have millions, super cars and sht like that but to do what i want when i want. All in all if you want something really bad you will work for it if not thats also fine but dont complain.

[@yellowdrangon]

@mrjimenez That's feels like telling someone to play the lottery everyday and maybe if you're lucky with enough consistency you can win it's just very unlikely. Like who in their right mind would take that advice.

[@mrjimenez11]

@@yellowdrangon it’s a lot more likely than the lottery bud but you can cry and see how that works for ya

[@yellowdrangon]

@@mrjimenez11 I personally think your message is sh*t and it does inspire Men to become Great. You need both an inspiring and realistic message for men to realize their Greatest Potentials.

[@1johnnyguns1]

Love how Justin stood his grown. The conversation was very telling. Justin looks down and then into your eyes. Tom looks all over the room searching and then back to you. Body language of Justin … confidence. Tom …unsure if this person will buy this information. Fascinating dynamics when two people are in a room.

[@ghost_trapz5932]

Tom is the type of guy that wants to say what makes everyone happy rather than what he actually believes. All the stuff he says are politically correct. You could say his content is filtered so he could pull more views

[@artanddesign8561]

That is the difference between a person who is set in his ways it’s his road or the highway and somebody who is looking for other answers, and who is not focused on his own line of thinking, that is the sign of an open person versus close minded

[@1johnnyguns1]

Or someone making it up as he goes along. Set in his ways😂. Someone sounds triggered

[@mrdev5281]

Body language of Justin is aggression. He will be a flash in the pan this was his 15minutes thanks to TB

[@Lakeyunleashed]

The body language transitioned throughout the course of the conversation, what you said makes no sense whats ur point. Are you looking at this as a battle or comparison, or are you trying to extract the most valuable information?

[@dumitrulunga7336]

When I was 24, I was acting up to people who were older than me. I was disrespectful and they put me in my place with aggression and violence, it worked well enough for me to develop respect for other people and their right to a peaceful life free from my disturbance. So their aggression helped me learn to respect someone's boundaries. Too much violence would have been unnecessary, a little violence without harsh consequences at that age was just right to shift my trajectory on a path of humbleness and learning to become a better individual.

[@wildprodigy]

What was the lows of this violence and the highs?

[@CrextComicConsent]

You mean 2-4, right?

[@Mr.LevelUp.]

When I was 15 I punched a guys face for talking a whole lot of shit to my friend and my school in general. I identified with my school at the time because I guess it’s that tribal instinct to protect your territory that you represent. Safe to say after that punch he started being docile and humble and learnt to respect people

[@MarcusGreen-y7g]

Damn that’s pretty late to learn to respect boundaries

[@chrisf2636]

@@MarcusGreen-y7gI agree seems late, but we’re watching it across the US. And once it’s the real world versus siblings/parents/friends it can destroy lives. Jail time or someone else who doesn’t stop.

[@oooodaxteroooo]

33:30 Absolutely right. Someone put it into this simple formula: "Strong people create good times. Good times create weak people. Weak people create bad times. Bad times create strong people."

[@vibehighest]

dude, the way Tom handles this conversation is flawless. you can see the gap between the level of confidence and security of the two wowww!!!! Stay being you Tom

[@lebohangmoloi6721]

I don't necessarily think that there is a gap. I feel like these two people have a different way of viewing the world. Tom is more theoretical, and Justin is practical. Not to say one is better than the other but I personally relate to Justin. Also it will be much easier to apply the things he says to my life and get actual results.

[@johnmiller4045]

Man, you are a bot. For real! You like how Tom speaks? If Justin was not in the podcast I would never listen to it... Tom is BETA!

[@TheIronglare]

I hardly comment, but his guy has a very old and conservative view that I just couldn't resist. This is the reason why many great and strong men feel peer pressure to have this facade of being rough and tough and lose control and respect within their inner circle.

[@gavinoliver4861]

It’s a big thing being a high value man and everything it comes with it. Especially when your a business owner who provides a stable environment for your staff along with a opportunity for them to progress themselves. Its a balance between the both and it’s such a hard dynamic to provide in this day in age

[@renepitts8680]

And then there's Justìn...

[@nope3015]

Watching Tom resist the red pill and knowing what comes next in his relationship

[@ozb10]

Yeah its pretty crazy. Once exposed to this Truth, cant gi back

[@heemcarchannel]

Needed this unc. Truthfully, ima do my best to not make it too long. Anyway, the past 3 years, I’ve been very depressed and dealt with heavy anxiety due to my past actions that disappointed the ones that mattered at the time. And I believed that, I would never amount to anything. Fortunately, a real life situation ( nothing deadly ) changed my way of thinking last year. For the better, and have done the best I can to be a better man/human being. Started my KZbin and rebranded my clothing brand. Most importantly, embracing who I am. And accepting the accountability and responsibility of my own inna real way. Point is: once I’ve done that, I slowly seen haters coming on a rise.

[@Joey_Carabetta]

One of the best interviews Tom and Justin have ever done. A must listen for every man. The flow, pushback and counters are superb. 89k views in 3 days - definitely underrated.

[@porkerpete7722]

500k now

[@2amplants33]

Every relationship should be a partnership. And each one looks different. Both my husband and I grew up without fathers with very different outcomes. I BECAME the "man" of the house and he became the kindest most nurturing human I've ever met. And we have swapped "traditional" gender roles and it works so well for us. He's stronger physically, and I'm stronger emotionally by nature, but by having to take on these roles outside of our "nature" we are both more well rounded. we are mutually valued, respected and ultimately a stronger team. I am decisive and ambitious and he is grounding and observant. I have the space and power to do whatever I want to do but if he says a hard no.... I trust that he probably has a reason for our best interests. And I think that works both ways despite gender. as long as it is balanced, we'll communicated and consensual... go nuts.

[@yoyojuana2054]

And that's totally normal. Feminine men and masculine women exists, they can pair bond as well.

[@KimikoMaui]

Im a woman and im much stronger physically and i believe in the positive energy u put off due to being strong and healthy because u feel better mentally and physically. As a massage therpist and trainer. Ive never once met anyone who said they felt worse from working out

[@nelsonzambrano5788]

Last sentence is GOLD...

[@kevinKILLJOY-qx2lx]

👎👎👎👎👎

[@greyarea7689]

Sory, but whats a woman ?

[@MTechInformationTechnology]

​@@greyarea7689Gotcha moment , she can't answer

[@MariahSincere]

I’m a woman and I agree 100% with what Justin Waller is saying and I don’t view his views and red pill as the same though there is overlap. This was a very nuanced discussion that most people are too lazy or too traumatized to have. Loved it!

[@Pauloajm15]

The Father vs Kid thing...that is a very interesting topic. I find I'm even more driven because I have kids. I find I'm capable of being disciplined even more. I found that being a parent (Dad) is the part of my life that I enjoy the most. Did I lose space? Time? yes. But that also happened when I got married. That is to me, besides the point. Kids further make me enjoy serving my family and being the last one to be served. Getting a compliment is enough. The other part is the relation...the love, the joy, the doubts, the coaching, the learning. But to me, the greatest thing is finding what makes them click and driving them towards unlocking their potential. Blank canvas...it's not about if they will make money if they will "successful"....! What I ask myself: did I make a good job at passing them good values and morals? Beyond that, did I steer them and helped them unlock their potential? That is what brings confidence, sparks drive, and paves their way into choices that make sense. The world is better off if people can use their talents!

[@herbythechef7624]

I feel the same as you. Much respect. We need more strong fathers out there. The only way we will raise good kids is by demonstration. And that means having a loving marriage as well. In my honest opinion

[@possle]

Wise words, completely relatable this end.

[@cardioandmanifest]

So very true, I think the aggression part is misunderstood sometimes by those who don't have children. As parents, we have to discipline however I think people

[@cardioandmanifest]

Think of the extreme end When they hear discipline or aggression. The role of the father is so important and it is because they are not soft like the mother. I never understood this until I had kids. I previously thought like Tom, like all of that is not necessary, however parenting theory and actually raising kids are two different things.

[@Pauloajm15]

@@cardioandmanifest and boys need to produce appropriate levels of testosterone. Sports and competition will include a level of aggression. Plus, it's good for kids to understand what makes them click but also what makes them get angry, so they have a chance early one to learn how to manage that anger and how to leverage from what makes them click.

[@MarkDreamsPhilosophy]

I am sooooo glad to see jwaller blowing up...cuz his content and points of view have helped me alot..

[@MarcusBourne-us3gs]

Civil grown up debate without emotion fuelled conflict although there were differences of opinion. Some of which could have been taken quite personally. Brilliant to see. Great episode. Respect to both gents.

[@DerrielJTheriot]

Excellent discussion. This triggered a thought in my mind. A common misconception is that strength equals or requires aggression. True strength does not require aggression. The only way to be truly meek is to be strong. Strength means standing firm on the things that matter, but firmness should not turn to aggression. Sometimes the weak resort to aggression to make up for lack of strength. Aggression can be a way to create the faux impression of strength to those who are unable to see through the surface. Aggression can be a way to instill fear, but true strength instills respect without the need to resort to fear tactics. I think courage and humility are characteristics of the truly strong.

[@deandregilliam4968]

Agreed

[@Francisco-Danconia]

The need to appear strong all the time is indeed a weakness. It's very obvious once you're on the other side

[@eskedartam]

Civilization at its best! Such a beautiful conversation and so much value in it! Thank you Tom 🙏🏾

[@evanlorezca6329]

Tom’s interview style is far superior to every other podcaster is watched. Love that he challenges his guests ideals and beliefs to pull as much insight out as possible.

[@waltersantoni2964]

I would love to see him interview Tate.

[@tfkdandsvkc]

Love Tom for sure he is a great host

[@shana5300]

I totally agree with you

[@mushroom11g55]

Myron is the best Podcaster hands down. And Tom shouldn't be debating Waller about women, Tom doesn't know anything about women, he's a nerd. He said "as you get strong and look physically aesthetically pleasing you will feel awesome" meanwhile he looks handicapped like Stephen Hawking and he said "if my wife leaves me the first thing I have to do is get ripped" "I'm smaller now than i used to be" WRONG! YOU HAVE TO WORKOUT TOODAYYY! It's too late for Tom to get ripped as easily, he's gonna struggle, and he's only getting older unless he takes TRT. You can't get lazy, or complacent, you have to work out almost everyday. Tom should be taking notes instead of trying to give push back, he should be doing push UPS instead

[@ibanezrg7421]

The type of man that society needs is being interviewed by the type of man that society currently thinks they want. I'm glad that my father reflected the man on the left. It's made me the resilient and successful person that I am. Society desperately needs more strong men that aren't afraid to champion the qualities that make men so valuable to the overall equation. It's incredibly one-sided at the moment, and it's led to countless societal issues.

[@tarisaishumba2642]

Justin is a rare brother who can actually train you to become a better version of yourself.

[@Coach.ShelbyLynne]

finally an interview where two sides are actually not in full agreement. This was real and genuine, highly appreciated a bit of challenge in perspectives on this one.

[@mushroom11g55]

It's not a challenge, Tom is questioning a Chad about women, he should st.fu and take notes, and instead of giving Push BACK, he should start doing Push UPS. The rich D0rk

[@Coach.ShelbyLynne]

@@mushroom11g55 you sound broke

[@mushroom11g55]

@@Coach.ShelbyLynne why would I sound broke? Because I said "rich dork"? I said that because Tom is exactly what Andrew Tate warned us about becoming. A dork with money is just a rich dork, that's AS WELL as making money, we should be working on our bodies so we're not rich dorks like Tom, we should be Top Gs like Tates and Waller. I can't respect a man that can't do a single pull up, no matter how much money he has, he's a rich dork.

[@sirturdaloter141]

​@mushroom11g55 absolutely right. Humanity will not move on when you're only way to protect your wife and offspring is buy hiring a hit man. A man must be capable both physically and mentally of the most horrendous acts and thoughts a mind can conceive. Yet, he must be disciplined to not do it unless necessary.

[@josephgentile9279]

@JWALLER bro as a son and a father who has been through child custody battles with 2 women I have children with, it broke my heart and made my eyes watery when you talked about what your dad went through. It also made me happy to hear that you laid off his house. I always give back to my my parents as much as I can even though it never feels like enough and that motivated me even more to do more for them. I’ve heard you on several different podcasts and believe you are a stand up guy. Keep up the good work.

[@GoldKingsMan]

I’ve seen family members go through the pre divorce, getting shouted at by the wife after few years to trying get custody of the kids ,it isn’t a great time for sure.

[@FreedomPlaya]

“Money is not going to change how you feel about yourself.” - Very interesting statement from Tom, when he shares about having a lot more decimal points in his bank account. “I still have the same insecurities I had 90 seconds ago.” Wow. While I am grateful for abundance, I too have experienced that when the stress of lack of money was gone, my mind was now worrying about different matters. Lol, as Moby said in an interview I watched with him, having gone from abject poverty into worldwide notoriety and abundance “There is no escaping the human condition.” I think the quest for meaning and for living a meaningful and fulfilling life Is the quest of this life experience.

[@damiandennis3740]

One hundred percent right being the best man you can and not chase woman

[@TheZGALa]

One of my favorite papers I wrote in grad school (MA in special education) was titled, The Condundrum of Too Many Choices, and even back then (20 years ago) it was clear that just creating more choice is not only not the point, it actually makes us less satisfied with what we choose. Too many choices is counterproductive to happiness and fulfillment, and probably productivity. We just need one, better choice, or, optimally, 3-5 choices is the sweet spot for humans.

[@changeforthebetter8369]

This! Have a plethora of options (choices) can easily bring about the feeling of “what if” with regards to the other choices that weren’t chosen especially if you are not getting the expected results after making a choice. Having limited options can put you in a mindset of “well, it was that or nothing. So whatever results I get, it is what it is.”

[@Yggdrasill8]

Now can you imagine how it is like for women who feel like they have many thousands of choices.

[@mentalboutcars]

It’s called the paradox of choice and was coined since a time when Ancient Greek philosophers like Aristotle and Socrates lived

[@ras-nts]

Who’s going to choose the 3-5 choices each person gets?

[@everydaydr3am3r]

This is one amazing talk! ❤❤❤ This is, first of all, a lesson about how a conversation should take place in order to bring value instead of a ego combat 🙏👌

[@Matt.777]

Incredibly important conversation, thanks for having Justin on the podcast 💪🏻

[@MehrStoff]

Justin has this calm and clear way to communicate. I wish I could be as calm and collected. Well, one more thing I have to work on...

[@ksalinas96]

Read the daily stoic

[@wganzer]

I love that Justin is still humble to admit that he does not know it all even in the position he is in ! Maybe that s part of what got him where he is ! May I never grow so entitled that I cannot admit wrong doings or that do not know it all !

[@PepeCoinMania]

He’s a failed model of a man very weak and pathetic

[@ambition112]

0:00: 👫 The speaker believes that strong men are necessary for successful relationships and that men need to be the leaders in their households. 13:48: 👨‍👧‍👧 The speaker wants young men to have choice and be fulfilled in their relationships, emphasizing the importance of appreciation and protection. 25:45: 👨‍👩‍👧‍👦 The speaker believes that men are being suppressed in society and that young men are dissatisfied with the direction society is taking them. 39:11: 💡 The key to guiding young men is to help them become the best version of themselves, focusing on physical fitness, financial literacy, communication skills, and understanding female nature. 51:22: 🤔 The line between good and evil runs through every person's heart, and humans are capable of both. 1:04:56: 🤔 The speaker discusses his views on judgment, nature, and hypergamy, as well as his perspective on social media and relationships. 1:18:50: 👥 The speaker discusses the lack of discipline in society and the impact it has on people's choices, particularly in relationships and sexuality. 1:31:57: 👥 The speaker believes that the natural state of a woman is to be submissive and in a helping role, and that most women do not want the pressure and stress of work and decision-making. 1:47:31: 😮 The conversation discusses various topics including the importance of shared narratives, the role of Christianity in Western civilization, and the perception of Jordan Peterson's actions as hypocritical. 2:05:17: 😊 Jay Waller expresses his loyalty and admiration for Andrew Tate and discusses the importance of brotherhood and happiness in his life. 2:13:06: 💪 The speaker believes in being unapologetic about building a group of men that hold each other to a high standard, and that trust and loyalty are crucial in such relationships. 2:26:10: 💑 The speaker discusses his relationship with his wife, their commitment to each other, and their decision not to have children. 2:38:42: 👨‍👧‍👧 The speaker expresses his motivation and inspiration to work hard every day for his daughters and create a legacy for them, while also discussing his thoughts on fatherhood and the challenges of raising children in a wealthy family. 2:52:23: 🏗 From starting with a job to building a multi-million dollar steel building business, the journey involved getting a contractor's license, living frugally, building systems, and trusting employees. 3:04:58: 🔑 The speaker discusses the importance of trust in building relationships and its impact on business success. Recap by Tammy AI

[@Kloud9s]

You are awesome for this

[@bradchadington9068]

You’re a man of the people. Thank you!

[@D.A.N.....]

You're gonna go far bro I appreciate

[@TheZGALa]

Brene Brown's work helped to demonstrate what I think is true about vulnerability ultimately being powerful. I think Tom comes off much sexier talking from the heart, relaxed back, than Justin getting tense and flexing over the table in defense of his friend.

[@MarcusVertex]

I don’t like how Tom speaks from a top position at Justin. Like he discovers more about life than him. But I, and a lot of people here I think, can feel how Justin is powerful, get his life, jobs, mental frame togheter, better than Tom does. From my opinion he’s boundet too much with his wife, saying that’s impossible they’ll divorce. But a mature male knows life is unfair and unpredictable, and he exposes himself on an incredible perspective struggle in the side of the business added to what might be the feelings side. I think Justin here was so patienced and mature to not overcome these believes yet to respect as well his interlocutor and he teaches us how to deal in that sotuation. Great interview

[@Toyotaamazon80series]

Tom definitely gets rear ended by his wife!

[@reddreilly422]

After listening with an open mind, as an independent woman with no particular religious affiliation, i am pleasantly surprised how much i agree with him. Peterson too. Once i could look past all the scrupture quoting he really is a voice of reason in this craziness weve become. Peterson talks about the concept of in order to be a hero there must be a well controlled monster inside and its very true. The slitting throats and holding babies comment was a little extreme but i heard what he meant😊

[@ankurama42]

I'm curious, why you decided to listen to a conversation primarily targeted towards men?

[@reddreilly422]

@ankurama42 wasnt particularly interested in this topic at first but i listen to alot of toms interviews and the subject of turning boys into men interests me bc i can see how modern day feminism has had a negative impact on men and the way we interact with each other now. And being a woman, its always good to see another perspective that comes from the complete opposite direction of my own.

[@jaimetiburcio2844]

Justin Waller is the man that I would have loved as a father or an older brother. The man has no equal and is exactly what we need as young men.

[@only1_babybashfanpage]

😅😅

[@МитићСтефан]

jwaller really out here changing lives

[@chrisblyskal3610]

We need more discourse like this. Two smart men. Hats off to Tom for helping set this up and asking great questions.

[@jamesbenjamin5746]

what a conversation between two verry different guys but very humble. what a great collection of life stories.

[@outlinehappiness]

I’ve been a long time viewer of Impact Theory and have only seen Justin on podcasts in the redpill space on a panel partially made up of women on OnlyFans. I was really surprised by this guest choice, but I definitely feel this was a platform that allowed for productive conversation, exploration of ideas, and personal philosophies. Tom you are incredible at meeting people on their level which always allows you to get the best from your guests. Thank you for dedicating yourself to providing this content.

[@realestatecoachestv]

I’m sure you enjoyed seeing a real man appear on a weak liberal man’s show huh?? Didn’t you see how tony looked small compare to him..

[@ChanteMcCormick]

I know so many high earning, 6-figure earning women, and none of them are on OnlyFans. It was so odd that he went straight to women earning more than men, but could only come up with OnlyFans as the reason why. Y'all don't know a female doctor, lawyer, etc? I live in the entertainment capital of the world and not one successful woman I know got there by way of OnlyFans. It's actually comical that he went straight to that!

[@randominternetguy5538]

These gents are both incredible. If more leaders could have respectful discourse like this, the world would be a better place.

[@johntim3491]

No it wouldn't - nothing would ever get done. Everybody concentrating on being nice at the expense of a clear defined path. We are in the situation we are now because of niceness & a lack of leadership. Neither of these guys have it. People inherently know leadership when it arrives - but until then the boy pretenders will play, theories will abound, people will tempted from the path. If guys have a problem with disagreeable vibrant debate - it's due to nice guy programming that gets projected out. Fighters have more genuine respect for eachother. Lots of passive aggressiveness in this interview - which is a dishonest display of male energy.

[@peterwilliams6361]

Stocks are pretty unstable at the moment, but if you do the right math, you should be just fine. Bloomberg and other finance media have been recording cases of folks gaining over 250k just in a matter of weeks/couple months, so I think there are alot of wealth transfer in this downtime if you know where to look.

[@peterwilliams6361]

Such market uncertainties are the reason I don’t base my market judgements and decisions on rumours and here-says, got the best of me 2020 and had me holding worthless position in the market, I had to revamp my entire portfolio through the aid of an advisor, before I started seeing any significant results happens in my portfolio, been using the same advisor and I’ve scaled up 750k within 2 years,

[@peterwilliams6361]

Having a counselor is essential for portfolio diversification. My advisor ASHLEY AIRAGAHI who is easily searchable and has extensive knowledge of the financial markets.

[@esairamirez6792]

Justin is so well spoken, conducts himself so well, truly admirable.

[@shangrila1559]

Admirable is a stretch but it was a great interview

[@esairamirez6792]

@@shangrila1559 you a hater bro

[@Christian021R]

@@esairamirez6792 OR you are glazing the man just a bit too much. In every way, truly

[@esairamirez6792]

@@Christian021R lmao agree to disagree homie, keep hating

[@Christian021R]

@@esairamirez6792 fair enough, keep glazing

[@cardioandmanifest]

Justin is such a role model man!!! As a woman, wife, mother, business owner I absolutely love him and agree 100% with his theory/mindset. What a GENTLEMAN!!

[@sponkmcdonk3898]

You’d be okay being his 3rd gf?

[@cardioandmanifest]

@@sponkmcdonk3898 why would you ask that when I said I'm a wife? I don't understand why people try to ask questions meant to "trigger" someone just to put them up against a wall and judge them based off the hypothetical answer.

[@tulaloo6526]

The real question is, would you be okay with your daughter being his girlfriend and having children while entertainibg other women with his children?

[@TheTruthAintInYa]

What Justin needs to understand though you have kids to create a legacy not to tell them whose boss your kids won’t have to “get fresh” with you if that’s not how you raised them. It’s giving he just wants to be in full control and the powerhouse and no one can tell him he’s wrong

[@cardioandmanifest]

@@TheTruthAintInYa not sure if you have kids but they all get fresh, it's adolescence and inevitable. He said it from a parents point of view, kids need structure and need a father figure that they respect.

[@b_jwright24]

Thank you for this input. I’m 23 and I’m going through a pivotal point in my life rn and the advice that you two spread was phenomenal!

[@jefferybohner887]

Yes most definitely I hope you figure life out my guy real talk

[@eefangelina]

B e st advice: stop watch porn! Think of higher goal. Surve the earth. Find your passion. Focus on it and after that. Find a woman that compliment you, she will make you a better menn. In every way, let you grow.

[@shadf7902]

Youre just getting started out.

[@shadf7902]

​@@eefangelinadont lie to to the kid ffs.....

[@Chris-iu3vl]

5 things I wish I knew ( and applied ) at your age. 1. Alcohol is by far one of the worst drugs out there. Save your money your health and your time. Learn how to master being confident in social surroundings and with girls, without that drink. 2. Porn and masturbation is draining your energy and messing up your dopamine system.. It makes you weak and less motivated then you "could" be. 3. What you eat matters more than anything. Your body is your temple, learn about it and act accordingly. Only trust the advice of people who live like you want to live. One prime example of who not to trust. Bill Gates. Fu*k his medical advice, and his ati-meat / bug eating agenda. Keep your testosterone high and learn how to keep it like that. 4. Quality over quantity when it comes to friends. Cut off toxic people right away! Even family.. The only one to save is yourself. That's the best you can do for the world. Billions of humans, yet one humanity. Be - do - have! Be great, strive for greatness, and great things will be yours. You are the king of your own kingdom. Join forces with other kings and strive together. 5. Magic is real! Find your own version of "God". Praise the earth, the sun, the fire etc etc. They are beings just like us. But on a much larger scale. Karma is real. Study the mystics. There's levels to this game. "Know thyself" Be a Jedi and fight for the good and beautiful of this world. 6. *Bonus* Seek out awesome mentors / role models. In real life and also here on the tube. Fu*k whoever is on steroids and not being real about it. Don't do steroids. Since you're here watching this I know you already on to this. May the force be with you Jedi!

[@alexbolotin8899]

Love how Tom keeps trying to argue and Justin shuts it down lol

[@cycsportapparel3350]

I've always loved watching Tom! I found out about him when he visited the Bahamas to speak at an OWN event. At first I misunderstood his guest today, Justin Waller, but this conversation helped me to understand him a bit more. As he said, he's not necessarily "Red Pill", but a genuine advocate for young men in the way that many people are not today. I think that's why he and even Andrew Tate are so misunderstood. In some ways what they say seems to be a conversation against women, but it's really a conversation about pushing men to become the optimal version of themselves. It just happens that much of that conversation involves women, because when it boils down to it, much of what drives men is their desire to connect in some way with the opposite sex. As everyone already has already said, this was a really great conversation.

[@JaRa-p9s]

Yes exactly. I'm a female and I agree with this mindset because it helps men be better versions of themselves and be able to be a quality man for a quality woman. In the end it's about self improvement.

[@NM-hq1io]

Justin is great - no flaunting, no showing off, no degrading remarks, etc. Just pure value & humility - love his content

[@MHUKTI]

What ??! He looks and sounds so faaake .. he has 100% the vibe of someone who created a persona to appear more likeable and composed, manipulative skills tho

[@NavasGonzalo]

The problem is not between men and women, the problem comes from those who has inoculate polarization and confrontation between us.

[@tobitalk1884]

“Put me in Coach”--I’m a woman who would love to be a part of this conversation.

[@thehypocriticalcynic9182]

Your dogma would only be backed by family-court, not logic. Change family-court laws and all women would jump into their feminine-energy and right minds...ask em'!

[@karinesavard2016]

Wow!! "You don't hold back a woman only because you want to lead" This is a good one for most narcs 😉👍

[@dwaynewalker7074]

At that 20 mins mark Justin said something that I have always had an issue with in my life. I'm not a yeller but if I am talking about something that I am passionate about I can get fired up but that does not mean that I am yelling. There are so many people that are unable to tell the difference so I end up just not talking to many people. Not because I don't want to but because being stoic in my interactions means that I have detached myself from the topic at hand and have started to view it from a neutral observers perspective. which can come off as cold and insensitive.

[@GUITARTIME2024]

The term yelling has been broadened to mean "speaking forcefully". Sad.

[@adrianpena7316]

I worked for Tom and met Lisa and I know for a fact he is a genius, genuine and overall good human being. He is who he is and he only will continue to evolve and I truly hope he becomes the next Walt Disney because I believe that he can save and inspire the next generations of kids growing up. ✊🏼✊🏼✊🏼

[@VeNamUSa]

Awww… the smile Waller makes when he says he enjoys spending time with his girls. I only have sons, I wonder how it feels to have a daughter. I wonder if Waller has any boys? And how he would speak about them. Having children is the best feeling in the world!!!

[@TheManiHimself]

This sit down was a prime example of Theory vs Practical, justin being practical the arguements this guy is having is in my experience, not relatable but i dont have the findings to say he was wrong but every single thing justin say i can relate 110%

[@lebohangmoloi6721]

Nailed it brother...Justin is more realistic and relatable.

[@palominoblonde]

This gentleman is a good example of someone who reveals himself in his lack of cohesive discourse. I think he struggles to conversate outside of his echo chamber. I admire Tom’s willingness to bring him on the show and the tactful manner with which Tom handled himself.

[@steph6109]

He's not smart. He's an agressive hard worker.

[@evelinerobin8191]

You should see some other podcasts with Justin too. He is very knowledgeable. It might pleasantly surprise you 😊

[@leandroteixeira7540]

Tom handled him in the best way possible. More than that and J Waller would have jumped at Tom’s throat...literally!

[@PepeCoinMania]

You struggle to be a ma what’s worse

[@u2ooby]

Great video...Tom hit it on the head about the social media influence on relationships and the screwed up dating scene

[@richardharrison697]

Really enjoyed the little snippets of the podcast between all the adverts.

[@leonitas91]

This is by far one of the best interview/conversation I've seen on youtube so far, I love Tom's interview style.

[@roberthoffmann9198]

It's the 4th time I have listened by now, I love this one aswell!

[@jennynguyenxo]

There is so much to learn from in this interview. Psychology, relationship, money, the reality of the world. This discussion is so deep and I'm glad these successful men are able to share this with others. The world need strong men. Strong men can make the world a better place for women. Thank you Tom for this wonderful interview.

[@godswittness69]

We know that, tell those who don't know.

[@neomacchio4692]

Try convincing women of this! 😂

[@cx_n1]

First, go and research, narcissistic, personality disorder, then research Abusive Guru‘s then research cult leaders, mixing truth with lies, what is strong about that? A lot of those types appear to have strong debating skills, it’s irrelevant.

[@sweetchilli0407]

Don’t put all your selfvalue into “providing” material things. If something happens to you someday and you can’t do it, you will not know who you are. Being a father and husband is a lot more. You can also be a guide, a safe haven and a disciplinary. Don’t make the same mistake as the precious generations.

[@futureofmoney3527]

Wise words.

[@AxelAxe]

That sounds very nice in theory, but for us as men being able to provide is the way we show our love. Women show their love with nurture, care and affection. That’s why together we become the best combo possible.

[@petergunn648]

Every thing is meaningless a chasing after the wind.

[@futureofmoney3527]

@@AxelAxe I agree 100% that a man should materially support his family - even literally 100% of all bills (as I do). However, there's a balance to be struck. There's a lot of peacocking in this video from both guys, and it's not setting a good example - it is way too much to the side of materialism and status, and less on you as a person. Every guy can be the best guy he can be physically, spiritually, mentally. We don't need stacks of money to improve those three things. However, not every guy can afford a Lambo, or be a literal billionaire. Here's the thing: not every guy even wants those things. Materialism is meaningless after a certain point. How much is enough? Enough is to provide the daily material needs for your family, and for your wife not to worry about the next six months to a year worth of cost of living. If you can build retirement funds beyond that runway of a year, nothing wrong with that. All about protecting the family from financial problems - it's all good. Beyond that, people can lose their balance and it becomes about status, about the Lambo (literally, in this video), about accumulation of wealth for the sake of accumulation. It gets ugly at that point, like a naturally beautiful woman trying to somehow "improve" beyond her natural beauty via lip fillers, implants, botox etc. Human nature can perversely chase the extremes, and being a good man (IMHO) is not about that. I even think you probably agree with my sentiment here. I just took OP's sentiment as being a good one - not to put ALL our self worth in provision. We could lose our earning ability, we could lose our health. We need to not put all of our chips on one thing.

[@HonkHonkler]

You say that until she leaves him lol.

[@PandaHead602]

The man here if you have him in your life you’re corner and team. For sure he is awesome