It’s Over… EV’s Won’t Sell Even in NYC

[@robertklose2140]

It was recently reported that 60% of Americans couldn't get their hands on $400 in an emergency, and yet we are expected to cough up 30-40+ thousand dollars for an EV

[@jjk9275]

I guess we better learn how to code😅

[@dahveed284]

In reality the plan is for you to either stay at home or take the public transit. Making automobiles too expensive is just part of the plan. The government would like all of us to live is huge urban centers like NYC. The sheeple are easier to control when the are in one spot and dependent on the government for everything.

[@Slayer-33]

Uh, just like ANY vehicle?

[@SoosRamirez1]

@@Slayer-33tell me where you’ll find a cheap usable ev

[@Slayer-33]

@@d_mb I have an '07 Acura TL TYPE S, I know, I also have free charging at my workplace so having an EV would just cost me insurance and the vehicle payment, Tesla is giving 0.99 APR financing now for upto 72 months, on top of all the government subsidies. You can get a Model Y for pretty much comparable prices vs an new gas car. I was commenting at the OG poster throwing the 30-40k price marks, that's what a new Model Y would cost you right now. Obviously buying a beater gas car would still be way cheaper.

[@teole6364]

If it is good, no one needs to force it on people

[@TheMissingDislikeButton]

I guess abortion is good then

[@Barskor1]

Tesla doesn't need to get forced on anyone they sell every EV they make and do it at a net profit even without subsidies.

[@zenithperigee7442]

@teole6364, to be fair, there are apparently MILLIONS of "people" who "think" that it's "good" to "end the lives of innocent unborn children for ANY REASON!!" And that's just absolutely demonic. There may be situations where it is _warranted_ to "end the life of the unborn child" at some stage but "ANY" is the disqualifier because it goes BEYOND "life/death medical emergency, 'my 9 yr old daughter was [redacted] by her daddy'." Those were not the issues in question, those which were are "I don't want no stretch marks, kill it!", "My folks cain't have no mixed-race baby, kill it!", "I don't want no kid right now, kill it!" etc. This is effectively utilizing "abortion as a means of birth control" rather than people exercising SELF-CONTROL. But clearly a godless society moves further and further away from "accountability/personal responsibility/morality" etc., because at that point "all forms of moral law" are left to be "determined by the entity which will benefit or suffer as a result of implementing those moral laws" rather than looking to a "moral-law Giver" such as God....

[@MrToLIL]

@@Barskor1 Right, that's why they are in the middle of heavy layoffs and leasing them at a discount right now.

[@nonnobissolum]

Okay. Take another gulp of the kool-aid. ​@@Barskor1

[@MM-fe9mz]

Plugged in for 700 / 900 hours is insane. Yet if someone parks in the wrong spot for 30 minutes they get towed

[@MrLebowski405]

900 hours is over 37 days... That car has been charging & not moved in 5 or 6 weeks...

[@fermitupoupon1754]

My city in Euroland has a very simple solution to this. When your car is done charging, you get a notification on your phone. You then have 1 hour to move your vehicle to a non-charging parking spot or face a 70 euro fine for not moving it.

[@michalandrejmolnar3715]

That's for sure fake or one doesn't know you don't use a home socket to charge an EV

[@snoochieboochies6957]

@@michalandrejmolnar3715 its probably just maintaining the battery at that point but the clock still goes up

[@Коваль-г9л]

i got an ev in NYC and it turns me homeless 😢. I will lose my life. Useless priceless money pit..

[@tomwoods3437]

Nobody talks about resale. Resale for evs is a huge issue. After 8 years on a battery, there is a significant loss in range, and a new battery cost almost as much as the car. Where is the resale in that?

[@alejandroguerrieri2924]

Nio has not that problem. Nio will dominate the landscape of evs.

[@uldiskurpnieks8189]

Actually it is not true about the range, at least nowadays it is not a big problem. Like, yes, few cars like, Tesla Model S Plaid, or Ludacris cars, they have way too much power, which makes battery overheat, they lose their capacity that way. But if you drive normal electric car, in ten years you go from 100% to 80%, but it still does not matter if people charge their cars every day, that can be felt only if you drive like 300-400km or for Americans, 190 - 250 then there might have some problems, especially in Winter, but in Europe, I don't know who normally drives so long, it is in Latvia probably like 1% or even less, like only truckers drive so long normally in Latvia, and they mostly drive what they can drive in 9 hours if I correctly remember. So, range is no problem, because EV is like phone, you can charge it over night or when you don't use it, it is not like we have gasoline phones, bad comparison, but you get the idea.

[@chanpasadopolska]

​@@uldiskurpnieks8189you compare distances in Latvia to those in USA? Lol

[@mocheen4837]

Not true for Tesla. So much bad information out there. Do your research first. An EV battery failure is very unlikely. Battery technology has progressed beyond that. Look at the early Nissan Leafs which degraded quickly each year compared to the Teslas of today.

[@alejandroguerrieri2924]

@@mocheen4837 many teslas dying at winter weater and many teslas experiencing battery degradation. Its just facts. Its happening to many ppl.

[@PuffinPass]

You know what people hate more than anything else? Being told they have to buy a specific product or product type.

[@tarey05]

Welcome to communism!

[@onrr1726]

Exactly becouse the assholes forcing this garbage on us have stock if not are part owners of these companies.

[@sebastiantschatordai]

Thank you! Maybe someone should tell that to the government.

[@ForestNinjaZero]

You know what people hate even more than that? Being told that a product can achieve 95% energy conversion efficiency, while knowing that it's absolutely impossible by all standardized and authoritative physical models, then discovering that their overall efficiency after recharging from the grid is actually less than 30%.

[@StS9LBJ23]

They’re just trying to get everyone to stay in their 15 minute cities. That’s the ultimate goal with any EV mandates.

[@covidonenine1948]

It's almost like the general public doesn't want over priced, low quality, crappy range cars loaded with unreliable electronics 🤔

[@prman9984]

They clearly want unreliable electronics, because they buy Ford, GM and Jeep.

[@scootza1]

​@@prman9984"you know what ford stands for, hank? Fix it again, tony... hehheheheh..." "Dale you giblet head that's a fiat"

[@RoninMike-DR]

Toyota's electronics are legendary, I've used the radar tech for 7 years in my 2017 Corolla, I never had an issue. I like Toyota 's approach the semi driverless semi electric cars are being missed. I upgraded to a Lexus, Toyota should go ahead and design one to look like a mobile suit already, that little UX hugs my body and it feels like an extension of me it's so responsive.

[@Cap_management]

I agree. Thats why Tesla has the best selling car in the world with highest EURONCAP rating ever. Their electronics is top.

[@jjjs5]

Ha!

[@netposerx]

When the gov't forces car manufacturers to force EVs on consumers you get this disaster.

[@GardenofEdens]

The ev acceptance is Not there its the oil country in about 2 Generations this will be changed.

[@risingphoenix1484]

What disaster... EVs are still growing, the auto industry is declining.

[@dumbdee4]

@@risingphoenix1484 LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@dr.wolfstar1765]

Have you not seen Gas prices?

[@dazzz887]

@@dr.wolfstar1765 stop being cheap 😂

[@firebird6522]

I wouldn't accept an EV even if someone gave me one. Or if they even paid all my bills associated with one.

[@officialstylechild]

People who live in New York City, can’t have an EV because there’s nowhere to park a car and they don’t have a place to plug it in

[@Demopans5990]

17 min of my life saved. Or not, as the answer is pretty plain and simple for everyone here. 8 million people, but the city already has shitty traffic from just 200k cars driving about

[@rwgarchia5187]

aren't they being charged to drive per day now?

[@vicm6561]

Same with California have invested nothing in power grid or reservoirs. Can’t fix stupid

[@kasperthomsen8286]

Was Thinking the same thing. Isn’t from NYC.

[@metricstormtrooper]

Most people in NYC don't need a car.

[@formallyknownasj.a.2074]

Its no surprise to me that the same people who tell us not to run our AC in the summer because the grid can’t handle it, are also the same people who want us to buy EV’s… that the grid cant handle.

[@mariokrings]

I don't know about the energy consume of your AC(air conditioning), but AC (alternating current) charging consumes usually around 7 kw. And unlike the always running AC you're not charging your car all around the clock. Neither your neighbours....

[@testi2025]

Average us citizen drives 40 miles per day and an average EV consumes 300 watt/h per mile. So that’s 12kwh per day. Your HVAC can consume everywhere from 50-100kwh per day. But you preferably would want to charge only when the battery is low and then charge the battery to 80-90%. So then you would have 7-11kw load for number of hours every now and then. Having dynamic pricing would steer drivers to charge when the HVAC load is lower.

[@redtidetogo]

Yeah turn off that AC but don't expect times square to turn off their 1000 screens projecting ads to you.

[@formallyknownasj.a.2074]

Guys , sorry but I need to clarify. I meant the AC in our house’s. They dont want us to use our AC’s because of rolling blackouts in places like California but they want us all to buy EV’s that needs to be plugged in. They both run off the same electric grid. Thats whats stupid to me.

[@michalandrejmolnar3715]

What's the alternative? eFuels will load full the grid and need even more electricity than EVs. You can also charge from your own solar roof and for cities we need public e-carsharing

[@pianoatthirty]

"Nobody wants to admit the more you force an incompatible product on society, the more people will find out how bad it is and find everything in their power to avoid getting stuck with one". THIS!!!!! So eloquently put.

[@mikeshafer]

Whoever said a clean, quiet and fast EV was incompatible with society? Imagine if EVs had won over gas cars in the early 1900s, and then in 2012 someone says ":you know what, I've got a great idea... we've got these new vehicles that are slower, smellier, and expensive, and they emit this toxic gas that will kill millions each year. And that's not all - we will drill this oil out of the Earth from the far side of the world, then we'll load it up into huge shipping vessels that sometimes spill it all into the oceans, but when it does arrive into our country, then we'll spend insane amounts of energy refining it, and then we'll ship it all across the country in trucks or pipelines, then we bury it back into the ground, and then we charge crazy prices for it. And it's explosive, so sometimes cars will catch on fire and/or explode. The vehicles will also have thousands of moving parts, versus the dozen or so for an EV, so you'll have to get it fixed a lot by people who understand it and like getting their hands all greasy. Oh, and we'll probably have to fight a few wars over this black goo that we use to power these cars." Yeah, see how ridiculous that looks in hindsight?

[@一片叶的故事]

This should hurt as much as it should enrage you because as Europe, Asia and even Australia is moving onto EVs, the US is unable to. It just means the US is falling behind technologically and instead of pushing and fighting for improvement, you're complacent to your situation of not moving at all. Once those EV plants start showing up in South America and they develop EV infrastructure, it would literally only be the US that's going to be using gas powered cars. That's the future you're cheering for.

[@carkawalakhatulistiwa]

So why is work in China and Norway

[@pianoatthirty]

@@carkawalakhatulistiwa Why is work? Work is why. Why work is? Is work why!

[@RachDarastrix2]

@@一片叶的故事 So we will be the only ones with the better tools while your children's asses will be digging up the cobalt and waiting for the power to turn on to get their car recharged? Sounds good to me.

[@bbokdoong]

EV in Metropolis like New York makes no sense. There is absolutely no space to park the EV for 30-40 min to charge the vehicle.

[@vicm6561]

EV weighs 30% more than a gas car. Parking garages were not built for all that extra weight. Anyone building new parking garages ? Nope !

[@aikighost]

There is also simply not enough power in the grid or capacity in the lines to carry the required power for what they are proposing. Until there is a total overhaul to the electrical power system nationally this "EV future" is a pipe dream.

[@tatterz4042]

On paper, EVs are better for the city environment due to regenerative braking making you use less or no energy in stop-and-go plus no tail pipe pollution that's responsible for 10s of thousands of deaths per year. But yeah the infrastructure still isn't here.

[@aikighost]

@@tatterz4042 I love how everyone so concerned about "tail pipe pollution that's responsible for 10s of thousands of deaths per year" [CITATION NEEDED] But nobody wants to ban fast food, the number 1 killer in the world. 🤣🤣🤣

[@lorenzorota1555]

​@@tatterz4042the solution in NYC would be to ban cars from the center and promote other types of transportation. there is simply not enough space for more cars in NYC and it doesn't make any sense to bring more traffic in when most people need to commute for small distances. the whole organization of the city needs to be changed and to prioritize other types of transportation!

[@TheGuitologist]

That clip of the government vehicles charging should piss off every NYC taxpayer. Disgraceful!

[@whyjnot420]

Those were at something like 30 and 39 days. ffs

[@fireboltaz]

They got gunships guarding that ev charger

[@CmdrTigerKing]

nah, just a slow charge to maintain battery health

[@imnotbenavery9220]

13:17

[@jaep2495]

why? it's cheaper

[@Sarah-I23I]

How can everybody have electric vehicles when our electricity grid already collapses if there's too many christmas lights on the block? Like who thought this would be a good idea???

[@Barskor1]

People who think you should fix the grid because you know that is important or something....

[@Saetun.]

Lets not forget that nearly 79% of electricity is generated by fossil fuels (60%) & Nuclear (roughly 19%). EVs are not really any greener than a high efficiency combustion car. Its a scam at worst & a misconception at best.

[@michellesartori6695]

The WEF and the UN. It's not actually designed to work, the whole EV's for everyone, but to remove private vehicles, both petrol and the electric ones from the general public and to ensure that we catch public transport or either use our feet or cycle everywhere. Welcome to the NWO!

[@ConservativeGrouch]

The EV -- America's high-tech version of the Trabant!!

[@ronaldworthy157]

I love the soundness in the arguments opposing EV's in the comments .

[@Username18981]

$60k for a work commuter that is more expensive to fuel if you don't have off street parking with a 220v outlet in NYC? No shit it will fail.

[@TJ-um8ce]

😂😂😂 Well said! 💯👏

[@owenmccord5078]

Long time $TSLA investor, and you’re bang on. The city needs to make drastic alterations to the infrastructure (not easy in such a dense/“old” city.

[@ChrisWijtmans]

the elite dont care, they want to take your car away and you live like a peasant eating bugs in your pod.

[@viktoreisfeld9470]

Insurance is also up to 5x more expensive and tire replacement is about 4x more expensive (plus the tires only last 1/2 as long because of the vehicles heavy weight). When the battery wears out, you have to dispose of the EV as toxic waste because Lithium is toxic to humans, animals, and plants. Plus Lithium will ignite on contact with water, including the water vapor in the air (this is why it was stored under oil in chemistry class when you were a kid and you can find youtube videos of people throwing it in lakes and rivers to cause little explosions).

[@Barskor1]

Tesla Model 3 price as of 5/16/24 is 33,990 USD and if you are in New Yuck just get the F out already buddy save yourself and your family the pain and insanity.

[@jgreen5820]

Charging stations in parking basements is a fire risk.

[@stefanpredl6849]

THAN DONT INSTAL 1 dollar store PLUGS and install cam's since most burned EVs where vandaliced by activists

[@ralphzoombeenie2330]

So are toasters.

[@marvez306]

The future is biofuel, evs are a failed unreliable project.

[@hawkshot867]

It fucking floors me how incompetent NY's leadership is

[@LV4EVR]

Play D'em games, win D'em prizes.

[@SixtiesFan87]

Don't blame the voters 😂😂

[@Barskor1]

Vote Blue no matter who and please remember to Enjoy! the Screw!

[@platinumpig]

When you run out of good ideas, guess what's left.

[@ollieVeroli]

We're getting all those tasty cuisines though.

[@AAchurch]

I like gas vehicles, I still have a 1993 Ford that gets 40mpg and runs awesome still. Dont fix stuff thats not broken.

[@rmst1783]

I won’t lie, wish I had my old car with no power windows, computers, etc.

[@GeometryWars]

Same here. I drive an old Corolla. It costs me about $500 a year in maintenance and sips fuel. I have no interest in an EV

[@mikeshafer]

Great, enjoy your gas car! Nobody is trying to take it from you, just as nobody tried to take horses from people back in the early 1900s. Continue to enjoy those $7 gas prices, ha sucker.

[@sellmethispen4607]

​@mikeshafer did you not hear him ? He get 40mpg which is great overall if your driving just as much as a EV which is to work and back you will spend more on the EV overtime when something inevitably goes wrong

[@sellmethispen4607]

​@@mikeshaferand if you think you are helping the environment by driving one you are not .... if anything you are damaging it more ... to make one does alot of damage and to dispose it does way more

[@markmichlewicz5141]

We knew this years ago.the government should stay out of our wallets.

[@NevaG2190]

Exactly, they're already in our wallets enough as it is.

[@mikeshafer]

oh yeah they are so good at that with high taxes and wars we don't want and paying off student debts and paying for illegals to live in our country.... yeah the government sucks.

[@Atrail_Mckinley4786]

EV Sales have gone up nationally since Biden became president. EV's are selling.

[@zenithperigee7442]

@@Atrail_Mckinley4786 , no one ever said "there were no gullible people in the U.S.", the claim that "81 million people voted for brain-dead Joe, even more than America's first black president" is proof they exist.... It really doesn't matter if "EV sales are up" because there are less than ~3 MILLION AE-V's on the road in the U.S. and around half or so are in California, no surprise, YET last year there were ~292 MILLION VEHICLE REGISTRATIONS. So let's see, less than ~3 MILLION AE-V's and around ~290 MILLION "ICE" vehicles, it's clear which is most popular and practical.🙄The quesiton is, what is the rate of AE-V's dropping off of the road "due to 'returns/trade-ins for ICE vehicles' as well as spontaneous vehicle fires" versus the rates of purchase....

[@TheMissingDislikeButton]

Meanwhile they add tariffs on imported goods and you will say yes

[@kevinwhite981]

The cyber truck looks like a home made car, made by a guy who's only tool was a metal folder.😂

[@stevehayward1854]

But secretly you want one 😉

[@vikameow]

@stevehayward1854 why would anyone want a vehicle that could chop their fingers off if touched incorrectly

[@stevehayward1854]

@@vikameow Wow just by touching a Cybertruck it will chop your fingers off !!!! Or is that if you jam your fingers in the frunk lid, when you shut it, it may chop your fingers off. What fool shuts a door or boot lid without removing their hand or fingers.

[@suuie]

@@stevehayward1854 Elon musk meat rider you are one of them anything new drop you want to be apart of the trend the car trash who wants to drive around in a big fridge

[@kevinwhite981]

@@stevehayward1854 yes i would have one if it was given to me as I'm always making things from scrap metal

[@rwilliams6928]

And nobody else is talking about our outdated electric grid which in no way could handle such a load.

[@2528drevas]

Plenty of us are talking about it, but the people who need to aren't listening.

[@mikeshafer]

oh yes because all of the people on KZbin are electrical engineers who understand how our grid works, yet don't think twice about flicking on their AC in the summer. Right.

[@Eleriol84]

@@mikeshafer Id imagine if america as a whole invested into homes that didnt need AC's that could free up a fuckton of power for EV's

[@Rainsnowreadysetblow]

This

[@richardvass1462]

Why not build a bunch of nuclear power plants? That might solve the problem. On the other hand before we go for the electric push maybe we should harden our grid against EMP attack. 20 years ago someone asked Congress to do this but they said they didn't want to spend half a trillion dollars to protect against something that might never happen.

[@mattdog1982]

The best thing you can do for the environment, is keep your old car on the road for as long as possible

[@mediocreman2]

I'm surprised at how few people understand this. They'll say they love the environment and it's their biggest priority but they change to a new car every two years.

[@owenmccord5078]

Bingo!

[@robant5578]

o yeah, for my busienss I use 1999 and 2000 Econolines. Also bough 2007 and 2013 econolines, Wil stay away from Transit vans for as long as I can. My weekend car is 2008 BMW. yeas lot of problems , but i can fix them. MY wifes car is 2019 Lexus and it has issues probably same as BMW . No more reliability among japanese cars either.

[@TheAnnoyingBoss]

The longer it stays out the junk yard the better.

[@spenzasequenza]

Yes. And THEN replace it with an EV. simple.

[@nathanielsingleton6302]

I saw a KZbinr from the Bay Area in San Fran showing how people are cutting the cord on the charging stations for copper. The government didn’t think about that. 😂😂😂

[@optionmillionairebstudios]

Wow 😂

[@billydoyle9984]

You are Right we made History the Stupidest president and his cronies

[@kellybrandon1179]

A charging station will be a cage

[@bweaver760]

Does the government have the ability to think??😜😜😜

[@billydoyle9984]

@@bweaver760 lol

[@Vintaronica]

I was offered one as a loan car whilst mine was being serviced, I refused; the look on the service technicians face was that of complete understanding and defeat.

[@SilverSeeker]

As an EV owner myself I would NEVER recommend one to anyone that's unable to park and charge at home. They're fine for trips actually, but expect to wait 20 minutes every few hours to charge... works for me as even in an ICE car I like to stop every few hours to stretch, use the RR etc, but that's not everyone. But the deal breaker is 100% having to stop and charge when using it for daily driving. Waking up to a full tank every day is amazing... having to think about charging every few days when driving it for daily and having to wait 20 to 30 minutes at a charger? No thanks. In a place like New York... heeeck no. The infrastructure isn't anywhere close to being ready, so please keep your ICE vehicle, or at least have one as a backup.

[@richmerch]

The wait time doesn't actually bother me as I like the break. It's not knowing if there will be available charging when you need it.

[@SilverSeeker]

@@richmerch that's very rarely an issue with Teslas, but I do know with other EV's it's a bit bigger of an issue. Sadly for this convo (but fortunately for me) most of my experience has been with Tesla though.

[@matt2244]

@@SilverSeeker Also come down to a persons location big city Tesla is fine out in the country or a small town not so much.

[@SilverSeeker]

@@matt2244 If you can charge at home, small towns are fine too. Mine for example has a range that's over 300 miles even when not getting the "EPA rated" range of 358. But the same applies, if you can't charge are home don't even bother.

[@optionmillionairebstudios]

I own a model 3. 1000000% agree.

[@ecebear3]

In California, thieves are stealing the cables from EV charging stations for their copper.

[@smoothlyrough512]

@qweqwe9678 BRAH. Its taking tax payer money to replace those cables, thus feeding the criminals vices.

[@jaciwhy4041]

This is scarry 😢 a new trend???

[@1stRanger]

What's your point? Maybe deal with the criminals?

[@calchedz]

They do that in the uk too 😂

[@petersmith6145]

Good, sounds like the only crime that I can support. Anything that will increase the push back against EV's is good.

[@richardjones6475]

CBS told us how wonderful Electric Cars are. Constant BS.

[@susannpatton2893]

So is an electric golf cart, let's all get those. Be safer

[@luislaplume8261]

Oh yes! CBS the Conjob Broadcasting System! 😊

[@zenithperigee7442]

@richardjones6475, it shouldn't be any surprise with the "China Broadcasting Service."

[@Barskor1]

Lets ignore all the press telling you to buy ICE cars for the last 100 years and being on the parts and service plantation.

[@OtisFlint]

If you can charge at home, they're pretty awesome.

[@sprint429]

You can’t force people into a product that they can’t afford.

[@jacksonmorganfroghin4815]

This comes under the category of trying to fix a thing that wasn't broken.

[@DarkbutNotsinister]

This is an extensive category for the US government.

[@jacksonmorganfroghin4815]

​@@DarkbutNotsinistertrue and yet there are some serious broken things that the government can't seem to fix at all or not even trying to fix.

[@cristig243]

They broke the ice cars too. Garbage ideas, garbage quality . Paying double for half reliability.

[@donnapaquette9231]

Ohhh you got that right!!

[@tomfoolery333]

@@jacksonmorganfroghin4815 C'mon man! Everyone should know by now that our border situation is intentional and deliberate.

[@barneyfyfe8313]

They want us to use electricity for cars but we're also told to shut off our air conditioners at home.... because the grid can't handle it.

[@broadcastinknowledge]

Thats why i dont understand how people blindly buy evs. With the history of blackouts all the clear signs of how weak our grid is.

[@solconcordia4315]

​@@broadcastinknowledge Our rebellious people don't submit to the Imperial British dudes called Joule and Watt. We'll stop drinking tea to protest.

[@optionmillionairebstudios]

Because it is “too hot”.

[@billydoyle9984]

it's a Biden payoff that's why

[@c0rnichon]

@@broadcastinknowledge Jeez, update your weak ass grid then instead of whining.

[@Eizenz]

I do not want an EV.

[@mikeshafer]

I don't want a VHS player either, so I don't buy one. Cool story.

[@balsarmy]

I want EV

[@juliametcalf2660]

EVER

[@HollyMoore-wo2mh]

Nor do I.

[@princessmarlena1359]

I’ll get a Flintstones style car before I get an EV.

[@VioletClaw816]

Ev is just not practical. Period. Before EV gets really practical, I bet other alternatives are out.

[@bluestatepaine]

I’m keeping my 10 year old Corolla, thank you very much.

[@antoniocamp337]

Trump 2024

[@mikeshafer]

Cool story bro. Nobody is coming to take your beater. Enjoy $7/gallon gas prices.

[@bluestatepaine]

@@mikeshafer All energy prices are going up. You will not be spared

[@treynolds94]

​@@mikeshaferyour EV wont even last 10 years. At it will depreciate and probs be worth less then his Toyota within 4 years if it last that long.

[@bluestatepaine]

@@treynolds94 I think there was a stretch of time around 2020 when I could have sold the Corolla for a significant gain, lol

[@acruz639]

There’s no way these cars are “environmentally friendly”

[@saltyyankee5149]

the earlies Nissan Leaf models, with the 90 mile range were the only electric cars to meet environmental standards, but the government decided to credit for 200 mile range cars and above, so they were phased out so we can drag an extra 1,000 pounds of battery... government ruins everything.

[@Justfedup47]

I Saw A Receipt it said For Batteries and Labor. 29000 .DOLLARS. PLUS. THEY EXPLODE...

[@AB-NJ]

You wont see any stories about the enviornmental nightmare caused by the mining of cobalt.

[@Jon-dr4fb]

How much cobalt is used on gasoline refinement, nope they are carbon neutral way before a gas car after a couple years with no tailpipe which is another issue on I've cars. Idiots

[@DreDresChapters]

@@AB-NJit’s the pollution difference. If you legitimately calculate emissions difference it’s obviously dramatically less

[@bradpugh598]

I’m a tow truck driver here in North Carolina we have had people cutting the cables off the Tesla chargers for copper. The chargers don’t reflect that the station is down so we have had people go to it to charge just to find out it’s not working and there battery is to low to drive to the next station so we tow the car to the closest charging station

[@colorocko1]

good for you. keep making money off them lol!

[@billydoyle9984]

This Stupid President is trying to Cripple us

[@damac5136]

@@colorocko1 That's not the level of intelligence functioning societies operate at.

[@reallybadaim118]

I remember back during the fuel shortage we had a rash of people getting their gas siphoned out of their cars. That was way back in the 70's.

[@CreativeCreatorCreates]

@@reallybadaim118My older brother and his friends got in trouble for siphoning gas out of a Winnebago lol it was absolutely the late 70s lol

[@tylarb3864]

I had an EV and it's crap (ps2). I don't want to worry about charging, expensive repairs for fragile parts, electronics issues, etc. Grabbed an old Benz and fixed it up instead.

[@JustinJohnson-id1sl]

@tylarb3864 I got rid of my EV too horrible experience and never again. Back to leasing Jeeps those are the best.

[@Malkav]

From $61k now discounted to $37k (on Fisker's website), what a freaking scam of an industry.

[@michaelkristensen905]

Fisher is hardly representative of the whole industry, mate.

[@markmd9]

Maybe they optimized production so well 😀

[@aceman00ify]

This is american capitalism. Make as much money as you can, then put the price down to something much fairer when sale prices slump.

[@alexrekzu4079]

Fisker was junk, sold to Chinese

[@datboijdope]

@@aceman00ify That's how capitalism works in every country. What are you on?

[@Leo-uc2nw]

People were spreading the word that "EVs are good for the environment," but in reality, the manufacturing of EVs is causing environmental damage. If you think about disposing of used batteries, it's bad for the environment, it's not efficient, and it's not good. SDGs are harmful

[@CactusLegzz]

Shhh. That’s an inconvenient truth.

[@1709blondie]

Like riding in an MRI. Bad 4 your health. Lots of emf's!

[@stephenglassdale5914]

Also they eat through tires a lot faster. And they tend to have short lives compared to cars so in reality there is a lot more waste. They are doing this so they can charge people more for electric

[@Free_User_Bln]

Yes, to fight in wars for oil or environmental damage because oil production and transport is way better.

[@mikeshafer]

FALSE. Batteries can be recycled upwards of 95% of their materials - please research this before posting such crap. And if you think manufacturing EVs causes environmental damage, just wait and see how much pumping oil out of the ground and shipping it across the world and then refining it and then shipping it across the country and then having all of these billions of vehicles spewing toxic fumes into the air and killing millions of people each year... yeah. But at least EVs don't have any tailpipe emissions. I'll take that as a win. You Luddites are hilarious how much you want to cling to old broken techology.

[@Bweeble]

It's not just battery life. Fords e-raptor was brought out to a bunch of young farmers in the Midwest to show off a huge torque limit, but when loaded down and put to the plow, couldn't even do 1/3rd of the distance before running on empty. In the Midwest if your vehicle can't start or won't go far because it's a little cold out, there's no reason to have one

[@Pantheragem]

I live in rural California (there's a lot more of that than people think), I'm not even that remote, but I don't see how an ev would be at all practical for even the distances that I have to drive.

[@Blackheathenly]

Pretty sure the only guys that buy them are solely concerned about their own penis size.

[@billydoyle9984]

Well see we made History having the Stipidist President that ever was

[@davidbrewer7937]

Only a few fringe want EVs... maybe 1 or 2%. The other 98% of people do not want less functionality even if they were the same price as ICE.

[@Riseoffrost2]

The government mandating what type of power unit your car has to have is just fascism. Time to push back.

[@TheAnnoyingBoss]

Fascism is the banning of freedom of speech. A better fitting term would he tyranny maybe because its like theyre going infront kf us and tyrannically trying to decide what type of car we are and are noy allowed to buy

[@meenki347]

I wouldn't call it fascism, but it is stupid.

[@germen343]

Define fascism

[@angelashes7557]

@@germen343corporate control of government

[@spaceindian3769]

Make no mistake about it !Corporations run the World

[@perrywinkle5000]

Here in Japan, a woman I know had her mid-range Mitsubishi EV breakdown because it's designed as an array of batteries and ONE of those batteries malfunctioned. They told her it would cost 10 grand to fix. She told them to trash the car. EVs are ridiculous.

[@IohnSmith-d3z]

Which oil company is paying you?

[@damac5136]

@Bryce_Fl I wouldn't hold my breath. The current state of battery technology is the current state of battery technology.

[@damac5136]

@@IohnSmith-d3z Don't keep up with the times much, eh?

[@Luka_3D]

Dealerships charging extreme prices for simple fixes. What's new?

[@Luka_3D]

@Bryce_Fl Not me personally. But my local mechanic has been fixing up leaf batteries by swapping modules and cells. A whole module swap would cost you maybe 200 bucks.

[@hippiebits2071]

This is what’s called putting the cart before the horse.

[@sprinkle61]

More like putting the cart before the Walrus. Even if the order was right, the product is just inferior to a gas car in most ways, so it would still be a huge hassle to actually use.

[@Ragnar009]

LOL, I just replied to another post using that exact phrase. It's the perfect description for what's happening.

[@Thunderbyrd.]

This is also what's called forcing a product and industry onto a free society.

[@thenormanfair]

I was going to say the same thing.

[@thetir0]

Apt description

[@PerryNight-gc3fp]

The Cyber truck looks like a giant toaster oven.

[@rafaelfontes5088]

"Even in NYC"? It's one of the worst places to own an EV because we don't have private garages like in the suburbs, and on-street parking is horrible here.

[@Demopans5990]

It's one of the worst places to own and operate a car period. The parking spots are too small, the streets are too narrow, and forgot about going faster than walking speed. Not to mention all the drivers are idiots The only car that would be suitable for driving in NYC is a 1960s era Fiat 500 or a Peel P50.

[@cyclic_infinity]

I mean, this channel's thumbnails are all washed out fearmongering "cops and crime" shit. Clearly just a right wing echo chamber grift mill, it should be obvious to anyone willing to stop and think that this statement, "Even in NYC," makes no sense. It's just playing on conservative stereotypes of "city libs" and "big government." Of course NYC folks don't want EVs, they're either anti-car in general since they live in fucking NYC and walk or take public transit, or they can't afford dumbass "luxury" EVs. EVs are designed for the suburban middle-class with a modest but required commute, Cities should have no cars period. Obvious bullshit here.

[@jumperstartful]

My friend lived in Manhattan for years and paid a fortune for a parking place. finally sold his car. The parking was more expensive than the car was worth.

[@Demopans5990]

@@jumperstartful Makes sense. You're looking at about 60k per area of a typical car if you take the average of (total real estate values in Manhattan/area of Manhattan)

[@ysteinfjr7529]

Maybe better without a car in NY (unless you live in the suburbs)?

[@matthewbauer7407]

If a car sits for 938 hours without use by the city, its not needed.

[@KingLarbear]

That battery is fried by now

[@billydoyle9984]

Exactly, and buying them out ppls tax dollars???

[@1stRanger]

People were buying those vehicle on a promise of future improvements that never came. Naturally people are getting tired of paying for promises.

[@themodfather9382]

I mean... the initial buyers were doing that. Mainstream buyers don't care, they just want a real car.

[@bleach12i]

Yea, improvements in like 30 years lol😂

[@SigFigNewton]

People are still buying them. I wonder how many more EVs will be sold on Earth in 2024 than in 2023. All this anti EV propaganda in the US can only slow it down by so much

[@jumperstartful]

But? but? how are we going to save the planet? Greta, save us! by the way I just learned that the earth is flat. What a relief. I can throw away my globe.

[@SigFigNewton]

@@jumperstartful studies suggest that , if anything, there’s a connection between flat earther ideas and conservative ideologies, but there is no strong trend. It takes all kinds to be nutty As for EVs, they’re pretty obviously the future. Better accelerating vehicles that drop the stench, noise, AND waste heat that Internal Combustion Engine vehicles vomit out? They barely have to improve range and reduce cost relative to ICE to be the clearly superior choice for consumers. All that is really needed is the infrastructure that’ll make it so that charging is no longer often a poor experience.

[@jgreen5820]

In the UK the government is going to force manufacturers to sell a specific percentage of electric vehicles which will increase and they will be fined if they don't do that. Companies such as Vauxhall are getting round it by bringing in cheap Chinese cars to sell, from a country that is using carbon heavy power from coal fired stations to make the steel and cars.

[@jumperstartful]

China and India are both building coal generated power stations at about 1 a month!!! LOL what a farce. Notice GRETA doesn't go and protest at those countries. Too bad, I would miss her!!! NOT!!

[@relsba]

Certainly sounds like a win-win deal for the UK!🥴👎

[@Chandler-n6l]

FJB and his Mandates!!!!

[@id2k.]

And his supporters.

[@Repeal-19thA]

Thats what im sayin

[@edwincolon7782]

FJB but it's the ESG bankers who won't give loans to buy petrol based cars. They control the insurance and banks.

[@TheYakuza56]

And EVs

[@EvilMonkey7818]

They'll be rolled back. The mandates were just empty legislation.

[@TrashWerewolf]

Availability of chargers is only a small part of the EV problem. The dirty little secret they don't want you to know is that the long term pollution of EV batteries far outstrips the footprint of modern gas vehicles. Not to mention, all the critical components to make these batteries come from countries that are hostile to the US, like China. Lastly, a large amount of the mining for lithium battery components is done in terrible, nearly slave-like work conditions in non-first world countries! But hey....at least we THINK we're doing something good, right?

[@OtisFlint]

Fake news. You have precisely 0 credible data to support your propaganda.

[@AshleySpeaks4U]

Same thing with solar and wind power. Extremely toxic to create, non-recyclable parts.

[@jackmehoff2961]

not to mention dead batteries. you can`t dispose of them very easily .

[@keeptrying5962]

@@AshleySpeaks4U absolutely. Salt on wound is that typically, billionaires use tax-payer money to 'pioneer' these things...fail...leave (literally) toxic mess and...guess who gets to pay for the clean-up? One example among many is what happened in Longmont, CO ("Abound Solar").

[@drttgb4955]

Conveniently forgot all the oil spills, Deep Horizon Oil spill and many many others and feeding aggressive states war machines, noooo never ?

[@Shakshuka69]

Why would you want to save EVs? They're horrible for the environment and highly unsustainable

[@princessmarlena1359]

“Hello, I’m an electric car! I can’t go very fast. Or very far. And if you drive me, people will think you’re gheeeey!”

[@cyberfunk3793]

The main concern obviously at the moment is climate change and ICE cars are part of the problem. All the other concerns are obviously secondary.

[@cyberfunk3793]

Again as my previous comment was censored: the obvious reason is climate change, if you intend to do something about it, ICE cars are part of the problem. Being under water isn't great for the the environment either.

[@Atrail_Mckinley4786]

Gas powered cars are also bad for the environment

[@Mike-qz4by]

​@@Atrail_Mckinley4786good

[@veggieboyultimate]

Yeah EVs are still not ready to be on the road

[@wolfgangklein5549]

Let's see...I won't buy an EV because: and this list was written in 5min: Too expensive to buy Too expensive to insure Lack of adequate charging infrastructure Lack of security at charging stations No restrooms at charging stations Recharging time takes too long Long lines in some states to access charging stations Poor range/lots of range anxiety Poor resale value No charging with cash possible Cannot be easily towed $20k to $30k to replace a battery Possible spontaneous fires that can melt concrete re-rods Accident repair shops won't touch an EV The electrical grid in the US will not support high volumn EV charging demand. Poor cold weather performance Poor towing performance on EV trucks Poor initial quality issues Too big a carbon footprint. Biden is an idiot...

[@d3xmeister]

I agree with all of them 😀

[@adam-k]

Here in Norway they cost the same as other cars. Insurance is the same. You can charge in every parking lot. Including in your own garage.

[@sheadoolittle]

@@adam-kNorway is not the US. Maybe someday more countries will be like Norway, but not anytime soon

[@Barskor1]

Lets see I won't buy a Tesla becuase I am compleatly ignorant about Teslas' and their charging network, fixed it for you.

[@donnapaquette9231]

I laugh at the last one on the list 😆✌

[@FilmFactry]

The issue is gas cars still work pretty well even into the 110-300k miles. If you have youtube you can fix them relatively cheaply yourself, and a 20 year old hooptie can be purchased for $500-$1000. They remain the best option for most of us.

[@franciscodanconia4324]

As someone currently commuting in a 21 year old hooptie that is 29 miles away from turning 200k miles, I wholeheartedly agree. After 5 years of daily 60 mile commutes I’ve got about $6k in it (including a $2k trans rebuild). Which is maybe 8-9 months of payments for a new Tesla. Or new anything for that matter. And I could easily afford to buy new if I wanted. I just hate wasting money. But a lot of people don’t have a choice.

[@mathiasjensen4434]

@@franciscodanconia4324 60 mile commute!? What kind of time do you even have off in the US if you have that long to work and have to work longer than us too. Here in Denmark the average commute is like 20 miles

[@franciscodanconia4324]

@@mathiasjensen4434 30 miles both ways. It’s Texas. The Dallas/Fort Worth Metroplex is about half the size of Denmark.

[@harry_burnsworth]

@@mathiasjensen4434 I used to commute 1 to 1.5 hours one way, for almost a decade. Spent most of that time listening to audio books that I love and never have time for, or watching movies/videos (yes, while driving).

[@garbearfar1394]

@@franciscodanconia4324my dad made that same commute for 40 years, 3 trucks across that time and none taken out by the mileage. 2nd truck had nearly 275k before his company bought him a new one. 3rd and current truck has nearly 300k miles and is on its last leg but still gets him to Dallas and back everyday 😂

[@timothyknight2236]

Regardless of what car you drive.....Why O' Why would anybody purposely live in NYC??

[@JrueThrondsen]

This. NYC is a hot mess.

[@dittohead7044]

Point noted. Imagine trying to flee driving an EV

[@keeper6458]

​@@dittohead7044right?? 😂😂

[@owenmccord5078]

Regardless of where you live, why would anyone who hates NYC consume NYC centered content? 🤔

[@tg007ful]

​@@owenmccord5078to watch Liberals reap what they sow...awesome

[@CheCosaTesoro]

The batteries damage and insurance issues are huge barriers.

[@JWilkins-lo3gg]

Copper is at all time highs. Thieves are cutting charging cables and selling them for scrap.

[@Arthur-ir8vv]

Good!

[@markevans2280]

Yes I got $12 for each cable I cut last week 👌

[@masonslcs]

Charge at home...don't buy an EV if you don't have a garage... it isn't for everyone, but know that EVs are far superior vehicles 😮

[@antvq]

@@markevans2280Sweet, I’m getting a similar pay too

[@Anon1gh3]

@@masonslcs I hope you're being sarcastic.

[@MtgSquirrelMaster]

I would have never guessed it was Electric Vehicles that ended Civilization!

[@damac5136]

It will be the banksters who push the idiotic agendas and forever wars through.

[@johnteets2921]

Civilization ? That's racist ! This is New York !

[@AMan-he9sz]

Because they haven't, and won't! But they are a big part of the solution to saving the planet.

[@johnteets2921]

@@AMan-he9sz Saving the planet from civilization ?

[@damac5136]

@@AMan-he9sz In that man will scratch out even more precious and poisonous materials from the Earth? And that you were told that they are a solution by politicians? 🤔

[@80s_kid.]

just imagine the landlords to those buildings with underground parking, if they fit Chargers under the building and an Ev catches fire. it's a terrifying thought.

[@RT-mv7df]

Not enough is said about this danger, but it is a high risk, as some deadly fires have shown in China.

[@VoffVoff-10of10]

766 Houers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Still CHARGING !!!!! 💣💥💯💯

[@RoeShamBoe]

In China, it's forbidden to park EVs in parking structures because their tech is so bad they have fires all the time... a family just burned to death trapped inside an EV in China and the electronic doors wouldn't open... there were so many cel phone videos, they gov't couldn't surpress it.

[@ronolson2024]

EV's are expensive to buy & insure. Takes a long time to charge, & have been known to burn down the house they're parked in. And even after a couple of years of ownership, their trade in value has plummeted. While my Toyota Prius V was cheap to buy used, cheap to insure, cheap to drive. And is so fast to fill I don't even bother climbing back into the car as it fills in about 2 minutes. And after 6 years of ownership, the cars value has remained about the same thanks to Bidenomics!

[@tylerk3616]

A boss of mine had a newer Toyota Tacoma and after 4 years it was worth more then he had originally paid for it. Bidenomics!

[@Flodhesten]

Newest gen takes 14 minutes to charge 10-80%. The problem is parking and a charging network, a global problem.

[@mig6220]

My Tesla is super cheap to insure- only 155 a month. Because I insure thru tesla

[@marvez306]

The future is biofuel, evs are a failed unreliable project.

[@barneshomestead1240]

169 DAYS VOTE ALL INCUMBENTS BOTH PARTIES OUT!

[@anthonywilliams7052]

Meteor 2024 for D.C., I can dream at least for now.

[@barneshomestead1240]

@@anthonywilliams7052 It would be an improvement...meh...what a mess.

[@broadcastinknowledge]

The amount of chaos these politicians will start soon its going be interesting to say the least.

[@kate7478]

49 days until RFK Jr is allowed secret service protection.

[@barneshomestead1240]

@@kate7478 time will tell

[@TheEmpressPalpatine]

If NY won't let people buy gas cars, won't they just buy cars in other states?

[@myrnabergen5342]

Or buy in Canada

[@philtimmons722]

Most folks in NYC do not own ANY car to start with. Whole video is nonsense.

[@x-b52navcpa17]

@@philtimmons722 Most people in MANHATTAN do not own cars, but there are 4 other counties, and there are LOTS and LOTS of cars, and people owning cars. Planet Manhattan is a whole other weird place. Believe me, I grew up in Northeastern Queens, and my parents both had a car, and two of my brothers - so 4 cars in a 6 person household.

[@somebodyimportint5791]

Even you did make the purchase out of state. NYC wouldn't allow it to be registered. Then registering in another state while residing in another would lead to insurance fraud.

[@Lon.BedStuyforLife]

@@x-b52navcpa17 Right!! Don't know what reality @phil is living in; however, he may be somewhat correct. It may be true that MOST people in NYC don't own a vehicle because of the inconvenience and/or financial difficulty, but this person clearly did not take into consideration how many NYC residents there are as a whole, how many folks commute from other parts of the tri-state area for work/school, and then there are the tourists who we get year-round, which is why it is so often frustratingly difficult to find a parking space within a block or two of your destination. And then, as you mentioned, some folks don't realize that there ARE areas in the city without the necessary public transportation infrastructure. You HAVE to own a vehicle if you live in those areas. So in fact, @phil, this video is NOT nonsense!

[@rockymountainlockpicker9606]

I live in Colorado. We have mountain inclines, cold, heat, tons of dust, many of us haul ATVs and boats. All of which cuts down on EV range. And 100 mile round trip is considered staying local

[@EtaCarinaeSC]

the real use for EVs is small commuter cars for those who can chargy them, and plug in hybrids with 60mile range on the bat tops...

[@dittohead7044]

15 minute cities

[@Greysprunkiyay]

Well Colorado is a commie state so mandates will be coming for you soon regardless.

[@anonymous134y]

Norway doesn't have that? With equally cold winter and 80% of households have an EV. BC, Canada has EVs everywhere as well. Driving around BC mountains takes 10x longer than driving in Colorado, people are hauling boats behind their teslas everywhere.

[@wrongthinker350]

Think of how us Canadians feel a hundred miles doesn't even get you across our backyard.

[@pendleton123]

The charging infrastructure isn't there. EV Cars arrived faster than the charging

[@josdav07]

They're just toys, they won't be able to replace real cars.

[@bluestatepaine]

It’s insane how much more capable gas cars are. I can take my Corolla from Maine to Baja California without any stress and without stopping for more than 5 minutes.

[@prman9984]

@@bluestatepaine FSD is way less stress than any gas car. The car literally drives me to California.

[@bluestatepaine]

@@prman9984 How is it less stress?

[@mikeshafer]

@@bluestatepaine refuel time doesn't have anything to do with capability. Plus most people don't roadtrip for 800 miles each day or whatever. You're focusing on the 2% use case, not the 98%

[@Aging_Casually_Late_Gamer]

​@mikeshafer it absolutely does. Especially with trucking. It's why electric semis will never work

[@MarekzAnglii]

Whenever a Government forces the public to do something, you can be sure that it's NOT in the public's interest!

[@JusticeAlways]

They nearly twisted my arm off...made me buy a EV. Mean ol' government....

[@michalandrejmolnar3715]

You're ignorant. Climate change is a huge problem and EVs are the only realistic solution

[@ro1857]

*COVID*

[@paulbo9033]

Ironic since the ICE vehicle was pushed by the government. The public are the last people to ask about innovation. Like Ford said "if I had asked people what they wanted they would have said faster horses".

[@smoothlyrough512]

Vaccines come to mind, from a certain something that happened in 2020.

[@richhenry8004]

Just what i want -- to live in a big apartment building with a basement full of highly flammable batteries that can't be put out.

[@mikeshafer]

What the hell do you think is in your cell phone? LOL you luddites hear one story of an EV catching on fire and ignore how often gas cars explode every single day. Enjoy keeping your head in the ground.

[@DJRenee]

Yeah. They definitely need to separate storage/garage completely from living/sleeping spaces

[@WalterHildahl]

If the flames don't get you, the fumes will.

[@zenithperigee7442]

@richhenry8004, but if Democrats implement it because people keep voting for them then.... Cash has made several vids on NY and just how far it's fallen with the ridiculous costs of living there in "tiny apartments" which are overpriced, businesses that are closing due to increasing crime and now this push for "all-electric vehicles".... People have voted themselves into these conditions, living in "rat traps" with the literal 4-legged rats with so much trash in the streets and the fact it costs as much or MORE for these crappy apartments in NY than ~$500,000 HOMES with LAND in other places across the country.... There were Chicagoans and New Yorkers who voted Democrat over and over and continually complain about "the consequences" which were a direct result of voting Democrat but then go right back out and "vote Democrat!!" again. It was Obama ironically who emphasized, "The definition of insanity is, doing the SAME THING OVER AND OVER, EXPECTING A DIFFERENT RESULT!!" Yet "Democrat voters" do it every election.😑

[@nexrace]

I never thought about that. An apartment building with a bunch of flammable batteries below it's occupants.

[@featheredskeptic1301]

If ev's were really that good they wouldn't have had to shove them down everyone's throats through legislation. They would have taken over the market naturally.

[@UA7daniel]

Over 700 hours charging on that charger is 31 days. Complete waste of enegry.

[@danieldaniels7571]

Complete waste of tax dollars to have that vehicle.

[@AMan-he9sz]

But that is a total lie. Why would you even begin to believe this? Because you're willfully ignorant.

[@smallbutdeadly931]

Hybrids are still wayy more enticing to buy than an EV. You still get a gas engine you can refuel quickly and easily, yet you get the electric motors for acceleration and to save gas when driving lower speeds. Best of both worlds.

[@Heimarrr]

Literally worst of both worlds. - Too heavy due to battery to be a nice gas car to drive. Also gas tanks are tiny on them. My brother’s plug-in hybrid gets similar total range as my Tesla. - Too crappy of an EV due to an abysmal electric range. - More parts to worry about breaking and maintaining.

[@lastpme]

To pay $60,000 + for a vehicle I can only drive in the city…nope.

[@joehernandez5865]

Add to the fact thieves are cutting charger cables from charging stations to sell the copper making it sketchy to find a charger in operation.

[@Ptishereonutube]

Our NY government is nonsensical, out of touch, and unreasonable.

[@bornpsychopath2996]

You mean your own goofy government not mine

[@Ptishereonutube]

@@bornpsychopath2996 I didn't vote for them, but I'm stuck with them.

[@EmilyGloeggler7984]

And criminal.

[@billydoyle9984]

It looks like they are playing games to depreciate NY real estate so they can acquire NY real estate., Oldest methodology, invented in Brooklyn, called "Blockbusting" google it people,

[@sillygoose5138]

just NY?

[@jeesmith99]

We barely have money to buy groceries, how can we afford a $70,000 electric vehicle and the electricity it takes to fuel the thing??

[@Barskor1]

Tesla new model 3 today costs 33,990 USD average charging price 8 dollars

[@loribabich4839]

I agree with you 💯

[@taoist32]

@@Barskor1Still out of reach for most Americans. Even the middle class is slowing their spending due to high prices of everything else.

[@rahuljha3965]

@@taoist32 how when avrg price is 55k

[@PureGaming1845]

​@@Barskor1 The electric vehicles that will actually have decent range. Is going to be at least 55-70k... you're not getting these charging stations in the country side.

[@skitidet4302]

Also, having electric cars in a confined space like a parking garage is an EXTREME fire hazard. I would not be surprised if in 20 years when all the blood has been payed to get new safety regulation passed, the law will mandate that all parking garages that are allowed to house vehicles powered by lithium batteries must fulfill very stringent conditions when it comes to fire suppression systems and ventilation. Same thing should apply to tunnels as they are also absolute deathtraps during regular fires that are easier to put out, can be suffocated and not nearly as toxic.

[@MavonEast]

This past winter's cold snap clued in anyone that didn't know. EV charging is a nightmare. Nobody wants to deal with that.

[@mikeshafer]

except literally the entire country of Norway which is over 80% EVs as new cars and also has incredibly cold winters, yet they are loving EVs. If Americans had to pay what Europeans pay for gas, they would understand how much more economical EVs are. Silly Americans.

[@SilverSeeker]

I took a road trip in my Tesla during that cold snap, it got as low as -20 in some places... was a non-issue.

[@Scorpio1964Wines]

​@@mikeshaferNorway ? Norway doesnt have 100 plus million vehicles on their highways.

[@RandomOldPerson]

@@mikeshafer Norway is tiny compared to the US. It’s the size of New Mexico. They don’t need the range or drive times people in the US need.

[@MavonEast]

Y'all are misunderstanding. When charging is possible it's a non-issue. That's not the case in America. Far from it. Also, Norway only has about 5.5 million people. Not comparable at all.

[@brianoden1798]

I have a 2001 Silverado with 306,000 miles . I bought it used in 2004 for $11,000. It's still running strong. I cannot imagine an electric car lasting that long without replacing the $20,000 batteries every 10 years.

[@klotus8885]

They are programmed so you are forced to replace the battery long before 10 years are up. Another revenue source for them.

[@Barskor1]

In economics there is Wright's Law that proves the more you make of a thing the less it costs back in 1990s battery cost were IRC 1800 odd dollars per kilowatt currently it is about 90 dollars per kilowatt it ten years replacing the battery will be no more expensive than any engine replacement is now or less.

[@dy6682]

My 2005 Chevy blazer is kicking ass even after all these years ! Love it .

[@michellesartori6695]

I drive a 2003 Mazda 323 with 220000 on it and it runs well and I imagine it will do so for the foreseeable future if I take care of it. I don't want a car filled with expensive tech which can easily be followed digitally. I CHOOSE to drive my car and I hate the thought of being forced to buy an electric vehicle because here in country NSW Australia there's a hell of a lot of space between towns. At least when I fill it up I know how far I can get and I think EV's are bad news for consumers and the environment.

[@rahuljha3965]

basically u are broke

[@BlackHoleOfTime]

EV's are the dumbest idea for the masses. It is so impractical in so many ways.

[@TheAnnoyingBoss]

Imagine trying to figure out the best way to build a car and you settle on tbe form of propulsion that requires a battery and right away they have to control it to where yourr not supposed to charge the battery up above 80% or below 20%. Well thats 40 fucking percent man thats like nearly half the battery youre paying for and cant use. Thats a huge loss right away compared to the corolla. Way inefficient compared to corollas. Esspecially because you paid like 30k for that battery.

[@theveteran1449]

Even if they were completely free. I still refuse to own one ever.

[@dillonc7955]

I dont even live in the state of NY and nothing has changed. The only people who own EVs are either rich people or those in debt to their car payments. No rational person whos trying to make ends meet or even anyone I know who's middle class owns a Tesla or even a hybrid car.

[@mikeshafer]

Actually a used Tesla Model 3 is much more economical than a gas car. Lower maintenance costs, charging at home is super cheap, and no worries of volatile gas prices. I like to say "only rich people can afford gas cars" because of all of that maintenance and gas prices. I see all of these yahoos who buy a Ford pickup and lift it a foot and I can't imagine those rigs getting more than 10mpg. Wow. They must be rich.

[@prman9984]

There are so many Teslas in my neighborhood.

[@1997mass]

Until batteries crap out on you

[@dr.wolfstar1765]

Someone hasn't seen gas prices

[@Johnnyboy000]

Middle class tesla owner here. I only have it because it fits my lifestyle perfectly. It's a good commuter car if you charge it at home. I will admit that it doesn't fit well for most Americans' daily lifestyles. You can't charge it in a major city, and it's rough trying to make longer commutes.

[@leemercure2194]

They are fully aware that Ev's aren't ready to replace the internal combustion engine in such a short period. It's just part of the plan to own nothing and be happy. Most won't be able to afford the vehicles let alone the cost to run one even if the infrastructure is in place. Capitalism being what it is means that once everyone is forced onto the electric grid the power companies are going to price it out of reach for the average shmoe because the only viable alternative has been outlawed and there is no competition. Places like California can't keep up with electric demand now, can you imagine how bad it will get if all of a sudden the entire state is plugging their cars in as well?

[@optionmillionairebstudios]

Nobody thinks about how you would need mini nuclear power plants everywhere. I can’t imagine how much juice AI datacenters will use and the effect they will have on the non improved grid.

[@nightelfuser]

Not to mention they can shut down you car at any time they want because you made an unflattering comment on social media.

[@unseenstalkr]

@@nightelfuser this is why i advocate people to still use cash. ffs they will shut your bank account down too if you have unpopular opinions. Ask Canada's truckers. Let alone the citizens of china.

[@carltonmetcalf-doetsch8999]

​@@optionmillionairebstudios and at the same time they are shuttering 'evil fossils fuel' power plants and expecting renewable energy sources to supply all the power

[@SuperFlashDriver]

Man it sure feels like shapeshifting into some dragon to fly to and from places, or being say a quadrapedal beast that can run just as fast as vehicles, even more than that if possible, would be waaayyy more attractive than using a vehicle that's forcing people into Agenda 2030 type of lifestyle that will take us back to the 1870 victorian days.

[@EdiGjon-yz3ek]

Your content is fresh, keep it going!

[@verakruzyk]

What about the fire safety issues in condo basement parking lots? The fire is almost impossible to put out and burns at a much higher temperature than gas fires...What will happen to condo insurance (common element paid by all residents, even if they don't have a car), will it skyrocket?

[@JohnFerreira-m7m]

The fact that the government is forcing EVs is my main reason I hate them.

[@geodude9395]

IT'S A $35,000 - $120,000 IPHONE! Wait for Hydrogen Cars. It's just that simple.

[@roddycreswell8613]

That’s the same reason I don’t have any led lighting in my home. I’m a fluorescent man down to my soul.

[@briandbeaudin9166]

@geodude9395 Hydrogen vehicles = Mini Hindenburgs, but with wheels! ​

[@briandbeaudin9166]

​@@roddycreswell8613LEDs are so, so much better than fluorescent.

[@andrewdinns1746]

@@briandbeaudin9166 my fluorsecent bulbs lasted for over 4 years when I bought my house. When they started going out I was unable to buy replacement and I had to get LED. They did not even last 18 months. No they are not better.

[@robinoconnor553]

Retired teacher here. A few decades ago, my district decided to use a math curriculum that had no textbooks. YAY! Massive savings! Let's adopt it for all the grade levels! The problem was that since there were no student textbooks, the teacher had to Xerox each day's worth of material for every single student. So the money they saved by not having textbooks was instead spent on copy paper, toner and clicks. Not to mention all the additional wear and tear on the copiers. As the school year progressed, it became very painfully obvious that the district had made a horrible decision that ended up costing far more then what they saved. That program only lasted a year before it was scrapped. I see the same mind set with EV. And I see the same outcome heading our way. Personally, I think the government already knows this EV thing is heading south fast and right before those mandates kick in, there will be legislation passed very quickly and quietly to push it back a few years. Then, when we still can't meet the timelines, the whole thing will be scrapped. Anyone else remember the great metric conversion attempts?

[@themodfather9382]

I agree with you. There are several ways you can go with electric. Luckily they are all plotted out: micro-hybrid, 48v hybrid, hybrid and PHEV/E-REV. For a consumer, the priorities is LOWER GAS COST. Engine start/stop is great, 48V hybrid is great, it should be standard. Everything else adds wayy too much cost to make it worth it, upfront and repair costs. Unless it's a delivery vehicle or taxi, those are great hybrids.

[@javianjohnson8746]

Yea that's pretty much what I also see happening. Kinda like the "REALID" program. Its gonna be a "hard deadline", but once we get near it it'll quietly be pushed back for some reason, and then finally we'll get to the point where it ends up scrapped

[@chrisbuxton1958]

What you say makes perfect sense.

[@truhartwood3170]

Except that globally, EVs are continuing to gain market share, despite years of people cherry picking months of declining sales and proclaiming the EV revolution is over. While the growth isn't accelerating as fast as it used to, every year sees more and more more EVs sales. Also, costs are going to start coming down significantly over the next couple years. This year alone batteries are expected to drop 50% in price, while also increasing energy density, charging time, cold weather performance, and lifespan. Every year, EVs are getting better and cheaper.

[@AMan-he9sz]

Glad you're retired. Wouldn't want you supporting misinformation when students need to understand that time is of the essence if we want to save the planet. FYI, EV adoption is up by double and triple digits every year - you just don't know it because you have your head in the sand.

[@poormiserablesinner4600]

And just to think, the governor of Illinois, bj prickster just invested 827 million dollars of Illinois taxpayers money in Rivian. Also in the Chinese battery company, to build a ev battery manufacturing facility outside of Chicago. Piss poor investment on bj prickster part.

[@sorbabaric1]

And producing millions of batteries that are going to be in the next superfund clean up site.

[@richardvass1462]

Wouldn't that money have been better invested in housing for undocumented immigrants?

[@thorpower1015]

Prickster is a disgrace

[@sharonabbott9588]

Poormiserblesinner, No doubt Pritzker is getting kickbacks. He made tons of money from the coof with his healthcare company selling masks and cv tests.

[@gagamba9198]

@@richardvass1462 Don't forget debit cards for them too. New friends and neighbours gotta shop.

[@1BeardedGuy]

They're definitely going to have to reverse that mandate. There's no way in hell we'll get the infra needed to support every single car being electric...I mean ConEd still asks me not to run my a/c all day, imagine adding 2 million charging stations 🥵

[@1jackvalley580]

Scotty Kilmer warned America you do not want an EV. There isn't anything positive about owning one.😡😱

[@sebastiantschatordai]

I wouldn't say there is NOTHING positive about owning an ev. Not having to deal with an internal combustion engine means less maintenance, at least in theory.

[@jeltoninc.8542]

A good Japanese four cylinder is basically maintenance free, with a few oil changes here and there.

[@DS9FANINDADEFIANT]

EVs are Genuinely the future, how long it takes is the difference. I work as an Industrial electrician in a factory. We have motors on machines that run 3-4000RPM and have been running constantly 24/5 shifts for 30 years. Some motors that haven't been replaced at all. And the ones that have are around 1.5K. Not 16-20K for a combustion engine. Bear in mind. This is maintenance free. Your brushless motor requires no maintenance. Your gearbox needs change of oil. However, being a single reduction, there are few moving parts... less to go wrong. Battery technology is safe. You have one in your pocket daily. Most power tools are now electric. And EV vehicles have 10X the saftey measures that phones do plus heating, and cooling for longevity. EVs (second hand) are just better. You will not get a better value for money if you have the ability to charge at home. Out and about is different. But most EVs will give you 200 miles for 1/3rd of the cost of a gas car. People feared 10 years ago that batteries would fail. But after 12 years nissan admitted that nearly every nissan leaf had the original battery in it. And that was battery tech a decade ago. I think people genuinely don't realise the jump in tech since then. Fear the chinese. If not tesla, your streets will soon be filled with cheap Chinese EVs

[@gerardoalfredorivas4707]

@@DS9FANINDADEFIANTThank you for this response .. easily the most educated one in this comments section. Too many people hate on EVs because they don’t know about the technology and just regurgitate information they hear and see online.. and exactly like you said those shitty Chinese EVs are awful.. Tesla is and probably will be the standard for electric cars for a long time

[@snafu1635]

​​@DS9FANINDADEFIANT >battery are safe In january my friend Tesla caught fire, setting the cartport and then the house on fire... They were living there for a month... And now they house is gone thanks to EV...

[@wildermidnight]

Gosh I guess all our corrupt politicians pushing for this won't be lining their pockets this time.

[@cynthiag3065]

The politicians already made money by investing in the infrastructure. That’s why they don’t care if this project fails. If they do care then their investment is in the continued construction of the charging stations or the construction of the batteries.

[@davidmoltrup51]

I work for a huge water company in Central NY. During peak summer hours when everyone has their AC units running, and EVs charging, we have to shutdown many of our water pumps. This means we have to run much harder during the non-peak hours, resulting in the grid being close to capacity nearly 24 hours a day!

[@FlowmasterStang]

A 1970s ferrari is more practical than a EV. Total joke.

[@professormadlad7773]

The government needs to stop forcing us to by EV's.

[@LV4EVR]

Trying to force us ...

[@Xenozillex]

It's so weird because they are actively destroying our buying power with inflation and bad wages(Top executive positions making over 100x a senior programmer in the same company), but also want to push this green energy stuff.... Maybe it would be easier if people had more spending money?

[@thewolfdoctor761]

Currently, the government has no say regarding which car you buy. Some states will require EV purchases in 2035, so if you live in one of those states and you don't want an EV, buy a gasoline car in 2034. That will give you until 2045 or later before you will need to buy an EV. Are you really worried about something that is more than 20 years away ? Chances are by 2040 you'll own an EV anyway.

[@CC-ru8pi]

Some of us would rather not keep sliding down the slippery slope of authoritarianism. There is no such thing as "no big deal."

[@certainly2509]

No one can force anyone to buy anything.

[@Plum_bird]

Was forced to rent a EV on a trip one time. Picked up the car with 25% battery!!! So we started our trip with a crash course in finding fast charging stations that worked! Horrible experience! Electric is almost as expensive as gas and you have to sit for at least an hour (fast charge station) to charge your car. It was a good idea to have the stations near shops but those stations were always broken or literally had lines to charge your car and yes this was in Cali can’t imagine what the experience would be like in another state.

[@michalandrejmolnar3715]

That one hour is a lie. Most take 30 minutes

[@muckspreader1able]

@@michalandrejmolnar3715so what about the rest then and the elephant in the room DEPRECIATION 😂

[@michalandrejmolnar3715]

@@muckspreader1able I don't know what you're talking about. Used Tesla's still selling at incredible prices. Would be more concerned about too high prices for used EVs

[@michalandrejmolnar3715]

@@muckspreader1able Lease them

[@qstqrt]

@@michalandrejmolnar3715 how do you know he found a fast DC charger that would work at maximum level?

[@dragonfly1430]

Thank god my best friend’s son was NOT in his Tesla when he was stuck for 12 hours on the highway due to traffic accidents and down trees because of an ice storm. Sorry they are just not practical for all driving scenarios.

[@OtisFlint]

What do you think would have happened if he was in his tesla? Does he typically arrive places with single digit battery remaining? If not, it would have been fine.

[@Barskor1]

He would have just sat in the Tesla for 12 hours with the Tesla temp set at 68f as people in Texas did for 3 days during their last cold related power grid outage.

[@JamesTan-mq4eo]

i tried leaving my ioniq 5 on to run down the battery for 4 hours, it only loses 2% charge with aircon on full blast. my battery is 72.6kwh

[@c.w.k.n.5117]

I live in NYC and just bought a brand new car 6 months ago. I thought about getting an EV, in fact I wanted one... But the EV version of the Hyundai I got was $10K more and exactly as the video gets into, I don't own a home, so I really don't have anywhere to charge... I wouldn't say there isn't demand for EVs though, they are just still prohibitively exspensive and just not convenient, and I make 6 figures.

[@XxBeamerr]

No one is surprised

[@CrispyVCris]

I work for a car battery company and we pick up lead acid batteries all over town at dealerships, and they’re starting to stack up old bad lithium batteries in the parts service area. We can’t recycle ♻️ those batteries and there’s literally nobody picking them up so they’re just taking up space 🤐

[@2amichaelj]

Underrated comment. These climate change activists don't understand how dangerous, environmentally damaging and difficult lithium batteries are to get rid of.

[@mackenziegray2090]

Sound like about to dump them into the ground next.

[@EenYouTubeGebruiker]

Just send them to Tesla. Elon Musk has told everyone the industry would be there when the first battery packs are going to be recycled.

[@whitneypatterson8744]

Unless the gov is going to pay for my electric bill for the rest of my life i will never buy a EV

[@prman9984]

Even when it's ⅓ the cost of a gas car and no repairs? Some people can't math.

[@karenc7616]

They say it’s cheap to charge. 🤦🏽‍♀️

[@karenc7616]

@@prman9984yes

[@karenc7616]

@@prman9984because of all the other problems that come with owning one.

[@splinter357d6]

Gas isn't free either

[@coheterok]

Maintaining cars in NY is expensive in itself. Theres no street parking. If you can find a spot. The streets are so narrow and drivers can be so bad that they may scratch them passing by. The insurance is high. The roads always have potholes. Many mechanics here are scummy. Why would anyone whose been saving every penny risk getting an EV? Especially considering if they are way better options available.

[@ArtimusDragon]

How are people supposed to afford paying for car insurance, a monthly payment, and now a bloody subscription? This is stupid.

[@michalandrejmolnar3715]

What subscription? Public e-carsharing will make EVs accessible zo everybody

[@rickjames4031]

and its not cheaper. my buddy pays $20 a night to charge his Tesla at home.

[@michalandrejmolnar3715]

@@rickjames4031 I don't know how much gas costs where you are, but with city driving and gas prices like in Europe it's definitely cheaper

[@ArtimusDragon]

@@rickjames4031 Jesus Christ...

[@rickjames4031]

@@michalandrejmolnar3715 gas is near $6/gallon here in Bay Area California.