Casino Called The Police On Me For Counting Cards!

[@Mephitinae]

The irony of a borderline criminal business calling the cops on someone who's doing nothing wrong

[@bingbongbang8895]

@muttering matt. . .The casinos are small time in comparison to online sports betting. That's something that has the potential to ruin all sports for decades to come. There is a reason why gambling was illegal in this country up until recently. There is a reason why the mafia has controlled sports gambling for a hundred years.

[@karlhungus5436]

Casinos are repugnant. They're literally cheating you, and they get mad for you doing the same to then.

[@seaglass3034]

"No, no, no - we're supposed to fleece you - !" *garbled eldritch screeching*

[@comingviking]

@@karlhungus5436Card counting is not even cheating. It is not that the card counter knows which cards are coming up next. He is simply able to recalculate the odds more efficiently.

[@SIPEROTH]

@@bingbongbang8895 although when it comes to amounts being played you may be right, fully licensed betting sites have laws of obligation that don't allow them to do some things a casino does like not giving you your money or harass you. But i do bet they can make their services unavailable do you but you can kind of go around that much easier than a casino.

[@falcoemery7291]

"I'd call my lawyer, but I don't have any reception here at all... As far as I'm aware with the gambling laws in the state of washington there's no legal requirement for me to give ID" This was like a scene out of a movie. Legendary behavior Steven.

[@stevenbridges]

Hahaha thanks. Jokes on them I don’t have a lawyer 😂

[@stevenbridges]

(Absolutely having one on standby for the next trip though)

[@Mustlehard]

They’re a private business they don’t have to do business with you

[@dylanlewis1833]

I found this as he said it

[@Andrew-it7fb]

@@Mustlehard Which he accepted.

[@DeathBringer769]

Counting cards isn't actually illegal. However, they can ask you to leave and refuse to do business with you anymore. It's sad/funny how many of these casinos try to scare you and falsely act like it's "illegal" though.

[@elih9700]

Well it gets in the way of the casino raking in the cash from all those suckers out there.

[@amen2470]

can they refuse to let you cash chips?

[@elih9700]

@@amen2470 No, they will just ask you to leave and never come back, and share your image with other casinos.

[@angelgjr1999]

They’re “rental cops.” Never take “security” seriously, especially in shady places.

[@FingerinUrDaughter]

no casino has done this for decades. everyone at the card tables, including the dealer, does it. its when you start cheating or acting suspicious that they have enough of your bullshit and get rid of you.

[@escapedfromnewyork]

Not illegal to count cards. That’s a skill. The casino doesn’t like people with that skill

[@aetheriox463]

since they lose money, which is stupid because casinos are supposed to be about luck of the draw, and since counting cards is something that doesnt modify the draw in any way, its stupid that they kick people out

[@escapedfromnewyork]

@Luna’s Rambles…..it isn’t about “luck of the draw” at all, though. Casinos are in business and the odds are in their favor. That’s why casinos make money. The rules exist for them to make money. If you will, it is NOT the casino’s money you win- it is the money of OTHER people. Some people will make money, others will lose money, the casino will make money because those who lose, lose more than the people who win. That’s where the casino’s profit comes from. Make no mistake, nobody wins the casino’s money. Casinos have no desire for people to change the odds , which are set in THEIR favor, to odds that are more favorable. ie Counting cards do not allow the player to win, but simply create odds that are more favorable to them. Casinos love the odds, so long as they favor them.

[@Revener666]

@@aetheriox463 well they could just ban them, wich is not illegal, but they should not call the cops on them or refuse to pay out their winnings. That is illegal.

[@xys007]

The casino generally don't like people who walk away with more money then they bring. Which is actually really stupid because they should let someone win to keeps selling dreams to others ...

[@lasorman8492]

Seems to make sense why they make a difference between thieves, cheats, and advantaged players. A card counter is a advantaged player So you can't be arrested, but they can stop you from continue play at that game (from what I gathered).

[@aliteralfrog7005]

“You didn’t break the law, but you have a slight advantage over the house so we need to permanently ban you from every possible casino” Is basically the argument of these casinos

[@h3xad3cimaldev61]

*circuses

[@carpediem4512]

A casino is a place that’s licensed to steal. Walk in at your own peril.

[@adampkalb]

That is the worst, most self-centered argument I have ever heard! It is like every time the GOP said "You did not vote illegally, but you did not vote for Donald Trump in 2020, so we need to make it harder for you to vote in every possible election!" Nobody wants to play games when they are not allowed to win. Alienating customers by never giving them what they came for, paid for or played for without cheating will eventually bankrupt you.

[@snkybrki]

More than slight advantage. With enough of a base fund, you can reliably make bank out of a casino. That said, it's the casino's issue that their game is reliably beatable, not the player. Don't hate the player, hate the game.

[@aok2075]

They don't want you to play a game of luck with too much skill. How is this so hard for people to understand? They make money from house advantage, losing the house advantage is giving away money. They are the bookies, they are not playing the game with you. I would argue that they shouldn't play Blackjack if they don't have a solution to the problem but suggesting that a business expose themselves to loss is just unreasonable.

[@johnnyfiveo]

absolute gold. criminals calling the cops.

[@HappyVLR]

Ong

[@xapemanx]

@@MrBadjohn69 if they do not ask for ID points if ingress they are violating probable grounds of operating on open liquor floor. since ID is checked at the door. they can check inside the floor that serve alcohol. if its denied they are obligated to remove them. regardless of paying out. the casino can kick you out without paying. but with the police there they can get you paid out. unless they are directly serving trespass (the act means you must immediately leave, and failing to do so allows them to press criminal trespass charges upon you if they so choose, or have the police deal with it (which they do so they don't have to dirty their hands in civil suits)). in the case that trespass is served you're removed without a payout. you'd have to proceed through with a civil case in order to get your payout. (or threaten them with one with a request to pay you out for that amount) If you were to leave the casino with the chips and re-enter the casino they can deny you a payout for them on suspicious grounds of them fraudulent (without proof) and confiscate their property and if you wanted reimbursement you'd have to settle that in court as well. These are things they can do just because its their establishment. they can do it to anyone they choose and do not need a reason to do so. The only things the gambler does have in their favor are any precedents already set in law, in which would help their case and they could sue for punitive damages on top of their damages and costs. because of this most establishments just pay them out before they leave and then refuse entry. which is legal and lawful for them to do.

[@FuhqEwe]

@@MrBadjohn69 Washington state does _not_ have any Stop and Identify statute requiring compulsory identification to _anyone._ A private establishment may set forth policies requiring individuals seeking entry to provide identification, and may also establish policies requiring patrons within the establishment to provide identification upon request, but neither of these _requests_ are lawful. There is no criminal code to refuse to identify to enter a casino, or bar, and no criminal code pertaining to someone already within the establishment refusing to provide identification. The establishment reserves the right, as a private entity on private property, to refuse service to anyone they please - as well as the right to request anyone to leave their property. Neither of which requires the individual to identify themselves. No casino, or bar, may press criminal charges for someone refusing to identify, because they have no legal authority to do so - as it's _not_ a crime, or violation of _law._ The only thing you were correct about was whether or not a bar can ask for an ID at any time. Yes, they may ask anyone, at any time, for identification. In fact, any random person walking down a sidewalk has the right to _ask_ for anyone's identification. That does _not_ mean there's any legal obligation to fulfill the request. Ask any practicing Washington state attorney, or just use google. It's free.

[@ShillDozer]

@John Gibbons Legally anybody can ask you anything anywhere but you are not lawfully required to answer or show ID to anyone including police unless you are suspected of committing a crime and card counting is not illegal. If you believe it is illegal please cite the law. With that being said you can be kicked out of a private business for any reason or no reason at all.

[@ShillDozer]

@@MrBadjohn69 As for the ID due to liquor rules that is completely the responsibility of the business to do. A customer can only get in trouble if they are under age but if business is not checking ID's as required they are the one breaking the law.

[@mxnghanclan]

Bro when the pit boss said “+6 is a very good number” your heart must’ve dropped 😂

[@Resr81]

Feels like they hired a former card counter to catch card counters. Which is why he’s so chill because he gets it

[@andylymbo]

@@Resr81 someone that's a pit boss would def know that anyways being able to watch the action and catch it.

[@bajorekjon]

It's not they're gonna drag him to a backroom, the worst that can happen is he gets escorted out

[@bastogne315]

These guys can kill you..specially if its mafia run..​@@bajorekjon

[@renokru7443]

Lmao I was thinking that. That is the part where you generally screwed 😂

[@somedude2677]

“I am a police officer.. in this building” .. literally committed a felony right there.

[@landontucker2866]

Don’t know how he got away with it

[@deekamikaze]

​@@landontucker2866 because casino's like to pay the right people so they can get away with smaller crimes. If a city official pisses off a casino, that casino can make empty threats and get the official removed

[@Engrphotog21]

I'm the chief of police in my own mind

[@Jartran72]

Sadly it is just a misdemeanor in most states, don't know about washington. In Florida I think it is a felony but in most just a misdemeanor.

[@mariogonzalez1540]

Tulalip is literally on the Tulalip Indian Reservation. Their security heads have law enforcement powers inside their establishment and the Tulalip tribe has their own tribal police.

[@bigheadrhino]

Saying people aren’t allowed to count cards is like saying you’re not allowed to think more than one move ahead in chess.

[@stupidflandrs4856]

Underrated comment

[@mikekosak9598]

If they allowed card counting the place would be cleaned out every single night

[@bigheadrhino]

@@mikekosak9598 then, adjust the rules of the actual game. I mean multiple decks with early reshuffles should be more than enough to negate card counting, but to ban people based on what they might be doing in their heads is ridiculous.

[@elliott8596]

Yeah. Casinos are a business my man. Regulation allows them to refuse service to you. Which is a much better world than the alternative where it would be considered cheating and they'd refuse to pay you. And to your point, many casinos do basically what you're saying. They have half deck shoes, or continuous shufflers. But the general gambler doesn't like those. It slows down the game for the former. And people don't trust the CS. I'm not defending the casinos. I love that people try and take legal advantage of them. But the law allows them to back you off. And most card counters just accept that.

[@chrisnorris3641]

@@bigheadrhino most casinos do exactly that. They still blow a gasket at anyone trying to skew the odds back to even.🤷

[@TnD_BigJax]

Plain and simple: If the house refuses to allow you to legally cash out your chips under the threshold of $10,000 as stated in Washington state law, you have grounds to sue.

[@alexandrezani]

You have to give your name to sue.

[@517342]

That would require a long court case and lots of money. Not worth it. Being able to get cashed out and then leave forever is the best outcome.

[@mykethevet]

@@517342 lmao “not worth it.” Have you ever sued any company, regardless of tribal affiliation, for false imprisonment? Your lack of legal knowledge and willingness to relay that information is interesting at best.

[@517342]

@@mykethevet Exactly, that's why I wouldn't bother with this crap. That's all I said. But since you're so confident that you'll win and appear to be a legal expert, by all means go for it champ.

[@andrewsims1356]

@@mykethevet that's why you sue for damages and costs as well

[@Baileybear85]

I don't think it's fair to call card counters "thieves" with casinos in context.

[@NoBody-ro3xj]

It's not fair to call them thieves anyways because they played the game better 😂😆

[@redwolf4611]

I don't call them thieves unless it's in a private game. In a casino it's perfectly fair. casino's use algorithms to place the odds in their favor on literally every game.

[@synthetic144]

casino and fair in the same sentence...? you know why they say house always wins right? go waste your money on something more useful.. like whores and booze

[@chcarroll5164]

It's my understanding that it's a myth that counting cards gives a huge advantage.

[@gowdsake7103]

Go to a casino get ripped off simple dont complain

[@Ethanzz29e3]

"You know what wrong about blackjack, +6 is a great number" thats such a raw way to tell someone that they know you're counting

[@JesseSwaney]

Dude identified himself as a police officer. Then says "in here I am, I'm security." That was a fine legal line he was walking.

[@elund408]

I agree with you but he is on reservation property, good luck getting that to go anywhere.

[@CosmicDarkLord]

It felt like a pretty insane power trip. He had no reason to be that aggressive. Especially since if anyone nearby was watching it would reflect very poorly on the casino. Like your playing next to a guy who has not done anything to warrant starting a scene. 4 dudes show up and start antagonizing ,raising their voice voice, and calling themselves the law would make me playing casually want to leave.

[@chrisl3193]

Might as well be a mall cop

[@avaedana4763]

@@CosmicDarkLord having seen behavior like this at casinos first hand has made me want to never go to a gambling again. I wasn't even the person being harassed.

[@joey2789]

Impersonating a police officer is a crime. This video should have been shown to the police

[@mc4105]

Casinos are so corrupt it's almost hilarious. You're doing a great job.

[@alexbrewer4570]

Hey, you see that guy there who just pawned his wedding band for $700? He's got our money, and if he tries to win it for himself, release the hounds. -Every casino ever.

[@jle7647]

Its a business?

[@LazoGT]

MD M8 businesses can be nice, but yeah, most businesses are corrupt

[@beluga2342]

@@LazoGT naw

[@beluga2342]

@@LazoGT commie vibes

[@allenmitchell8005]

Didn't he identify himself as "I'm a police officer inside this house here" - that is impersonating police, which is a crime. He later corrects himself that he is security, but the initial statement may still be illegal. Doubly so when his uniform makes him look like potential police with a badge

[@nailedit2565]

Can confirm, incredibly illegal. Worked in the biz.

[@t.r.4496]

I would have called for a State Police Officer. The tribal police are tied up with the casino.

[@filthyminges]

Sue Sue Sue press charges

[@ButterBallTheOpossum]

It's not impersonation. Casino security have full police powers inside the casino. At least that's how it is in Las Vegas.

[@DoctorChained]

@@ButterBallTheOpossum They can literally arrest you and put you in handcuffs?

[@michaelfosnaught2238]

Love how ID is never an issue when they’re taking your money! Only when you want it back or some of their money is it a problem

[@sebastiannielsen]

Its just how law work. They are allowed to do that to discourage underages from gambling. If they know cheating the system is 100% loss, they will never get the money out, they are discouraged. Thats why, when I worked in a convience store, I would take payment first, then ask for ID, and if ID was underage or person did not have ID, I would enter 0.00 in cash register and then push the "TIP 100%" button (meaning the sum registred in the card machine were allocated 100% to TIP) on the cash register. That was free money for the store. So when underage attempted to buy alcohol, they would lose both money and product. And since they were underage, they would just get a laugh from the grown ups when they said: "I attempted to illegally buy alcohol as a underage and they kept all my money!". This ONLY works in countries where the law says its illegal to give alcohol to underage, but legal to sell alcohol to underage. (Sweden is such a country, the laws says you may not physically give alcohol to a underage, regardless of its for money or for free, but you can legally sell alcohol to a underage, as long as you dont give the bottle to the underage). If the law says its illegal to both sell and give alcohol to underage, this trick don't work, since then its illegal to also sell (as in completing a monetary transaction) the alcohol to underage even if you don't give the alcohol to the underage afterwards. In sweden you can actually BUY a pistol without a weapon's license. You just wont get the pistol until you show a license. Its because the law says its legal to sell weapons to those lacking the license, but you may not physically transfer a pistol to someone lacking a license.

[@alexanderelderhorst2107]

@@sebastiannielsen That's actually a good lesson to teach them honestly... I mean you are legally stealing money... somehow... but you are following the law to try and teach them a valuable lesson about following the law (and knowing your rights).

[@planetg10]

@@sebastiannielsenI reckon you’re a thief regardless

[@hansschmidt1888]

What the f is a weapons license?@@sebastiannielsen

[@sebastiannielsen]

@@hansschmidt1888 Gun license/ weapons license. Required to possess a weapon. In sweden you need 1 license per gun.

[@glenncronise7775]

I am so tired of corporations hiding behind "policy", which they make up, in order to avoid doing the right thing.

[@StevXtreme]

It's not even the "right thing" they have to do but simply the legal one. Private policy can NEVER supersede actual laws.

[@fatdoi003]

well their policy is you cash in and don't cash out

[@joshbull623]

Sometimes they do it for our own protection, like youtube and facebook.

[@michaelthomas8213]

Just like any/all government operates

[@HappyVLR]

Ong

[@zf5656]

well, he identified himself as a policeman, so unless he's an off duty policeman, working as a security guard, than I'm pretty sure it would be a felony to identify as a cop.

[@glytchd]

yeah. like WTF. it's a FELONY to 'Impersonate a Police Officer'. ..... why he not get charged.

[@Mavendow]

@@glytchd Because nobody pressed charges. If they kept the money and went to lawsuit I'd have reported the felony to add weight to my case. Otherwise, unless he was a much bigger douche than he was it's probably not worth pursuing.

[@user-nh1og5hy1u]

He mentioned he is authorized to enforce certain laws by a tribe. Basically this took place in a place where Native Americans govern and can deputize people to enforce certain laws within areas the tribe own.

[@CrazyGaming-ig6qq]

Yes. But since casinos have a lot of money Im sure the politicians and police chiefs will turn a blind eye. Well, you get what you vote for.

[@theepicricemaker6611]

It's okay if he sexually identifies as a cop, corme on now.

[@hannamariewilson]

It's like studying for a test and getting told you have an unfair advantage

[@stevenbridges]

😂 nailed it

[@VideoGameManiac8]

Yea but you know whenever money is involved people go oonga boonga.

[@exitscreaming4637]

Not similar at all . He's free to count cards all he wants . Just don't suddenly go from betting $10 a hand to $200 a hand . That don't want his action then

[@louiscrussol9538]

for real when you study you already know the answers to the test so that's basically cheating smh

[@bunnygirlerika9489]

Or a sports team being told they can't have certain players because they give them an unfair advantage. Sorry Tom Brady, you cant play anymore, your an unfair advantage. XD

[@merchillio]

"You've lost many thousands of dollars, but we feel you're taking advantage of us" is always funny to me

[@snowjix]

You just know they've gotten information from other casinos. xD

[@zesolodar]

they know your counting and they want to get you before the count swings in your favor and they start losing

[@5020maine]

Too funny

[@asiamies9153]

What's funny about it? You can still lose if you play the game optimally but in the long run you'd win

[@aznboy131]

"I'm a police officer inside this house here. I'm the security." Impersonating an officer of the law is a felony...

[@Mythowars]

Isn’t it wild people who should be rehabilitated are just walking around?

[@aennaenn7468]

It's almost like police moonlighting should be illegal and is a conflict of interest.

[@whatisbow2865]

Man just wanted to feel like Judge Dredd

[@randallsmerna384]

You're not impersonating an officer if you're an officer off duty.

[@growthisfreedomunitedearth7584]

and all judges are bought. no such thing as a fair judge in the usa

[@eriq8904]

I love how the one casino that you admitted card counting to had a dealer who was clearly also counting cards because he knew the running (or true) count.

[@craigmonty]

They probably suspect people when they bet normally and then all of a sudden start betting larger. It would take much to review footage and count the cards during playback and compare that to when the bet amount increases. That's why its better for them to work in teams. The "counter", so to speak, doesn't alter his betting at the table and then signals for the high roller to join the table and start betting.

[@eriq8904]

@@craigmonty what? That has nothing to do with my comment?

[@craigmonty]

@@eriq8904 Just suggesting that it's not the dealer that is counting the cards along side him. It's security doing it when watching video playback to work out if he was counting or not. It's the casino manager or floor manager that mentions the count to him... not the dealer.

[@eriq8904]

@@craigmonty my point was that there was clearly someone else who can count cards which I think is really interesting. Idc who or how it was done, just that the place seemed chill and someone knew how it’s done unlike the other places that just freak out the one guy was like +6 is pretty good huh

[@yargolocus4853]

@@eriq8904 you are right, and I find your comment relatable. it's obvious in hindsight, that the casinos have to be as good in counting as the players to catch it happening.

[@tommycarrera3875]

the dude saying "im a police officer in this house" and wearing a police looking badge is extremely fucking illegal

[@AudunWangen]

Yes. Impersonating a police officer is a crime punished with up to a year in jail.

[@shemmy95]

@@AudunWangen It's illegal I agree, but the tribal have different laws. Nothing would happen to him.

[@GB-uu1yd]

@@shemmy95 yep, heavily dependent on the tribe.

[@TP_Gillz]

Tribal lands have thier own police forces, even jails on the casino grounds!

[@hunterhuie1550]

indians don’t play by the same laws

[@bengieDMZ]

Getting kicked out of a casino for being too good is the greatest complement

[@robsdeviceunknown]

Well, as a former cop. Let me tell you, you had NO obligation to even provide your ID to the police. Nor should you have given it. There was no reasonable suspicion. If he said there was, and detained you, then that's a civil rights violation in which you could sue the department. Now your info is available through FOI. So now the casino has your info and its in the database obviously. That said though, I was a cop in a state that had no legal gambling so there may be some laws pertaining to casinos specifically.

[@TheVoitel]

Just gotta say, if this was in the EU recent EU laws would mean that the casino would need you consent to store your personal information, to what they’d be using this information for and they’d be legally bound to grant tell you what information they have on you and delete it on request.

[@Jupiter_444]

@John Dunham abuse of non existent power is not gonna get you a job with the police department. Just the opposite I imagine Barney! Tool bag getting kicks harassing hard working people to flex nuts you don’t have.

[@robloxtipsmaster]

I would rather give up my id then get thrown in the back of a car lmao

[@bryanrmcnair01]

@John Dunham so you violated alot of peoples 4th amendment rights and not even a COP.. yea someone should long taken away ya fake badge

[@JDJD-mw9rr]

@John Dunham you said you're the leading authority at the bank and then said you listen to the bank manger in the same sentence lol.

[@aarshppatel]

The second someone says they're a police officer, and they're a security guard, regardless of if they are an employee of a private establishment or not, they are impersonating a police officer. The conduct of this guy makes it seem as if he is a security guard,not a police officer. This is a felony in most states. I definitely would've pursued charges.

[@youarewrong57]

Yeah and nothing would’ve happened. A DA wouldn’t waste time with a case this tiny and one that’s easily arguable. DA’s want nice easy convictions. The guy said he was a police officer of that establishment. How he worded it would keep him safe. If he had done anything else on top of that then it’s a different matter because now you have actions being taken. First amendment is extremely good at protecting you on speech when it’s a grey area if you know how to word things

[@yummyherbicide7296]

@@youarewrong57 the DA is owned by the casinos, like everyone else in line to punish them for their crimes.

[@DevilDaRebel]

@@youarewrong57 "Police officer of that establishment." You do understand REAL police officers are appointed to certain locations, such as construction zones, grocery stores, fast food areas. A security guard/officer can not establish themselves as "police officers" in any type of context.

[@TroyLament]

i'd to see the real police get called to verify that person is actually a cop and fuck that casino up the ass for impersonating an officer.

[@tsugikuniyoriichi22]

Casinos have their own police.... you are welcome to press charges but i sincerely doubt you will win lol.

[@HeyImGaminOverHere]

Casino: “Your counting cards!” Player: “I literally lost 3 grand…” Casino: “YOU SHOULD HAVE LOST MORE! GET OUT OF HERE CHEATER!”

[@AndrewArts]

Fr, I find it weird people still fund those vultures

[@potatoninja8459]

Omg yes that's exactly how they sounded

[@stevemorrill6670]

You don't know how much money a good card counter and and few good decks in their favor can make.

[@thecityguy1657]

He claims he lost 3k but afterwards says he was up $290, so he was lying to them to try and throw them off. They knew he was up.

[@pezzshnitsol]

Counting cards unsuccessfully actually probably caused him to lose more than if he were flat betting. When the count is high you increase your bet, potentially substantially, to take advantage of a high expected value on those hands. Some bad luck (variance) on those hands could cause a fast and large downswing. On that day the casino profited off of the variance, while in the long run the casino industry would lose money on the positive EV

[@ljaquos]

I like that one polite Pitboss. Probably the literal best way to call someone on counting. "Plus 6 is a very good number, isnt it?" And just the belly laugh at the "Well..." Seems like a very fun guy

[@Redzeths]

It's wild that these millionair casino's get this aggressive over losing

[@Danicker]

They don't care about the money. They're just withholding the cash in an attempt to force steven to hand over his id

[@niklaslund2204]

its america, everything is about short term profit

[@malazan6004]

They are pathetic weasels it's all about pride

[@WadeWilson-]

If they allow one dude to do this, several others will come.

[@Redzeths]

@@WadeWilson- Just kick them out, card counters know they can't pull the same trick twice after being booted out, no need to call the cops. That's just plain stupid

[@Jay-Niner]

Oof, this feels like borderline robbery. Insisting on demanding ID, the aggressive intimidation tactics and refusing to cash out chips... that should definitely be against the law.

[@modtwentyeight]

What do you mean borderline?? It is robbery.

[@jl123ist]

It is

[@emp-jpro8801]

It is against the law they are allowed to stop you from playing and that’s it

[@micahclawrence]

They hold all the chips lol

[@HippieInHeart]

Might even actually be against the law and they just don't give a shit if there's no one to sue them. (I have no idea about american laws, so maybe it isn't illegal but it could be)

[@HaveAGoodDayFk.U]

Casino's: it's illegal to count cards. Also casino's: we've taken every step and took every scientific/psychological prediction to help us take your money when you play in our casino.

[@loganamurray64]

I agree 100% but to be entirely fair, you are also perfectly aware that this is the case and that’s the risk you take when you enter the casino

[@grandmarquee]

@@loganamurray64 Until you get kicked out for being good.

[@Juli.29]

@@loganamurray64 there's no being 'entirely fair' with casino's. They're a horrible business intent on ripping off every day people but also specifically vulnerable people. They shouldn't exist the way they do right now.

[@Revkor]

except it isn't a judge ruled it's not

[@jebediah4780]

Yeah, that's why they want to kick you out. It doesn't even matter if you are "counting cards", you get 2 lucky wins in a row? You will be asked to leave, and probably prevented from cashing in.

[@HelloKittyFanMan]

At first I thought the cops were gonna be against you, but now it's good to see that they were actually there to _help_ you.

[@Ze-Germanzuk]

I'd love to see him bring an actual lawyer to follow him around and argue with casinos for him lol

[@DD-ym3nk]

It's usually not an argument. They say we know, wink, nudge, he's like: you got me, fair play, and then he can't play table games. What happened at the end was pretty crazy.

[@stumpedii8639]

lawyers powerless outside the court.. cus the cops dont know the law.. and were acting in good faith (the lie they tell for justification on breaking the law, immunity thing).

[@deeznuts5034]

lmao foreal. When he brought up his lawyer they cashed him out immediately

[@clarkroberts6939]

that'd be awesome

[@davidquinn9676]

Someone with the intelligence and commitment to learn to count will probably also know the basics of the law around this. I'd be surprised if their bullying is often successful.

[@whanethewhip]

Imagine living in a world where you have the freedom to count things. If improving your odds of winning without cheating is illegal, then every Casino owner should be in jail.

[@camtwan1]

They would just remove blackjack or change the rules if they couldn’t back off. It’s a give and take

[@emilyhofland8219]

Obviously we know who's behind this law. Imagine anyone else, anywhere, being told that keeping track of what's happening in front of them, is illegal! I'd never respect this law. If the casino has an issue, they can refuse service, for any reason.

[@shennypen]

Sore loser mentality, casino is a business they meant to make money and government loves them. ppl with brain shouldn't be allowed to play their games, simple. Freedom? There is no such a thing, freedom only to a certain extent, ppl in 1st world should have learnt now after this pandemic.

[@emilyhofland8219]

@@shennypen all the things wrong with this statement... It says a lot about you. Garbage people say garbage things.

[@ajm5007]

@@emilyhofland8219 It's not illegal. The casino didn't call the police because they think card counting is illegal. If they think you're counting cards, they just back you off (tell you that you can't play anymore). The casinos called the police because sometimes it's difficult to tell the difference between legal card counting and genuine cheating (using a covert computer), and they suspected the latter.

[@liamlynch2115]

Crazy that a casino can say you can’t play because you’re too good at a specific game, not cheating, just smarter than the average player. THAT should be illegal. Insane.

[@mannyjohnson8383]

Nah they can legally refuse service to anyone for any reason even racial discrimination isn't illegal as long as it doesn't have to do with hiring it's just generally a bad look and bad for business. So if they decide they don't want you playing thats within their legal rights. Honestly even card counters lose lots of money to casino's, wich just goes to show how stacked the deck is to begin with. Never go into a casino expecting to make money.

[@cameronbolden5064]

@@mannyjohnson8383 doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be legal

[@NicholasW943]

Not too sure about that. Having around 1% of players taking home the majority of the winnings of a game feels bad for everyone else. The house wants to get rid of card counters, because it saves them money and actively removing them means they're not going to have to give themselves even better odds in games, which is a bonus for all players. More fun for almost all players since they go broke slower and more money for the casinos.

[@jccusell]

No you have a dree right to association. You decide who you let into your casino. Not being able to cash chips is illegal

[@ww-pw6di]

@@NicholasW943 So if the card counters were gone they could give out more money to the bad players?

[@geoffreyrodgers5373]

I like how a year later he's so much more confident when they refuse to cash him out

[@pieppy6058]

I love the “+6 is a very good number” he knows what’s up and communicates it in a way that shows he knows

[@William47345]

id say "how do you my dick size" then sue him for sexual harassment

[@iarmycombo5659]

@@William47345 nahh that guy chill as hell

[@zuchini42069]

What does this mean?

[@bugf1sch691]

@@zuchini42069 maybe it was the true count

[@William47345]

@@zuchini42069 +6 means is a good count

[@DashCat9]

"You're down 3k, we're going to ask you to stop". Honestly, that just shows how smart casinos are. They know he'll more than likely win in the long run if they let him continue.

[@SIPEROTH]

They know that a card counter starts getting stronger after a few cards have been dealt and has something to count. So they can stop before he starts doing his game and while they are ahead.

[@stephenbrodie5617]

Some counters prly loose on purpose sometimes as a strategy

[@christophercarlone9945]

@@stephenbrodie5617 Not like that, no. But yes, some counters do what are called cover plays, which involve doing things counters wouldn't normally do. That's like playing the side bets, betting randomly high one minute and low the next.

[@smileybone3010]

Of course. A successful counter is looking for one extremely brief window of opportunity. The casino protected itself before it came up.

[@spankyjeffro5320]

Yes. That is obvious. Plants are made of plant. Businesses are interested in keeping their money.

[@stevenbridges]

This video took me SO long! 😂 Thanks for your patience! I never want to blur a face or caption a conversation ever again 😂 It is WILD to see my channel blowing up like this, really glad you are all enjoying the series!

[@bwils8788]

Question, how many decks are in the shoe in US casinos? Also love the vids bro

[@alexbalan1289]

you are an awesome storyteller and your videos are great

[@matthewcummins2948]

Love the videos, and looks like you're getting good with the titles to draw people in. The fab content is backed up by the good title so hopefully you keep getting the traction you deserve!

[@bobjohn2000]

Just one thing. When the cops said that if you are doing more than counting cards it's a crime, they were probably alluding to saying that if you are actually cheating (ie using cameras, having a dealer tip cards to you, etc), it would be illegal.

[@jos3phmcgrath]

​@@bobjohn2000 Good call on that, i think youre probably right.

[@kevinfleming3603]

I remember this friend of mines brother going to Vegas and bragging to the dealer and anyone who would listen that he was going to clean up the place. The dealer called the pit boss. Pit boss looked at him, chuckled and said, "Let him play." He lost his shirt.

[@rogerhargrave9952]

Any Casino that disallows a person from trying to win his/her money back after losing a lot. should be fined and forced to pay the person back their losses. This organized crime BS has been allowed to go on for way too long. I'm surprised that such criminal places haven't already been targeted and harmed from people who have been cheated out of their money.

[@ohhkennny766]

They have been targeted lol you know how many casinos are burned down and robbed?

[@rogerhargrave9952]

@@ohhkennny766 Answer is: "Not nearly enough of them" LOL

[@onniruusunen9444]

They haven't cheated. Everyone knows the odds are against you. Casinos are just smart to not let people play games when they have negative Ev.

[@rogerhargrave9952]

@@onniruusunen9444 Cheated out of your money when you start to do well after losing, then the casino forces you to leave. They don't seem to mind when the money is going in on direction. How many times have there been stories of a casino refusing to pay after a mega slot produces a winner? Can anyone say "Cheated"

[@marksoutofzen]

No different than bookmakers restricting winners online.

[@ape8404]

Well said by the police officer: "If you can manipulate a system and victimize people that are multi-millionaires, more power to you" . He's probably fed up with Casinos himself lmao

[@Chrysaor_]

Very well put

[@celluskh6009]

That's casino security.

[@xLxUxSxTx]

that was tribe casino employee, not po po

[@casedistorted]

Haha that casino employee is probably fed up of not enough pay and his bosses getting richer.

[@crunchwrapsupreme9372]

@@celluskh6009 Unfortunate for that security guard. He just put himself out of a job for sure lol.

[@sjoerdglaser2794]

As a statistician, what I learnt from these videos is that I have far too much social anxiety to be a card counter. I would totally implode in those cop encounters.

[@iceswallow7717]

the fact that he gives his ID to the police saying “that’s fine, you’re a police officer” shows how inexperienced he is. Police cannot make you give your ID unless you’re suspected of a crime. sure he might not have gotten anywhere without that, but the whole mentality of the police can get ur ID and tell u what to do “Sit Down” is just an error

[@ericwilliams8420]

@@iceswallow7717 Yeah I don't think he was legally required to identify himself to the Police. He wasn't breaking any laws or under suspicion of breaking any laws. I understand that there's a pressure to humanize yourself to Police, but they aren't your buddies. I'm surprised the Cops didn't take the side of the Casino and pressure him with the Trespassing claim, knowing how much sweet tax dollars that Casino probably brings into that area.

[@crunchwrapsupreme9372]

Why? It’s not like you’re doing anything against the law. There is no arrestable offence. In fact, he could sue the casino for holding items of monetary value.

[@QuibbleTrouble]

@@iceswallow7717 He was at that time suspected of a crime, the police officer told him that.

[@theodorebitsy]

@@QuibbleTrouble But the problem lies in the ”reasonable” if they suspect you of counting cards that is not reasonable because it is not illegal. Neither is doing it in a group. Wich the officer was insinuating. They have to ARTICULATE what crime it is they suspect you of commiting. He should not have given his ID because they could have easily handed over the information to the casino without steven ever founding out.

[@icarus-wings]

I’m so curious what the Gaming Commission does with evidence like this where casinos are actively breaking the law and acting outside of the bounds of their gaming license.

[@miskittt]

Didn't you see the movie, Casino? The gaming commissioner gets a nice briefcase from the casino in the middle of the night on a monthly basis.

[@Konformation07]

​@@miskitttThat's closer to the truth than one would think.

[@jeffreyprice3614]

There are only two rules for casinos 1. "The house always wins". 2. "If rule one isn't followed you'll be asked to stop playing".

[@nephilimjones338]

and as long as the house is winning they would not care if they took your entire life savings.. but you go up a bit oh he is cheating.. Scumbags..

[@fedvvvv]

Exactly. No idea who in their right mind goes into a casino to "play" with their hard earned cash knowing they can't win.

[@carlholland3819]

@@fedvvvv addicts for one. and that makes it even more despicable what the casinos are doing

[@omnientertainment5852]

Facts

[@Naturalhighz]

What I like most about this series is that you quite literally took years of potential income from youtube etc. to go for this 100% and make the best series you possibly could. I'm hoping you keep uploading because although I have no interest in playing blackjack or learning how to count cards, this is absolutely fascinating. You really went for it and took us along for the trip without knowing when you could release this or if it would be a success.

[@stevenbridges]

Thank you! Yeah it just became unmanageable to work on this series and keep uploading magic videos. But I’m glad the work has produced a series people enjoy 😃

[@Herks]

I agree, shit I’m not even old enough to enter a casino, but i think it’s neat to watch and see the interactions

[@HappyVLR]

Ong

[@afklolwtfbbq]

@@stevenbridges you're also showing people where not to play other games too. plenty of casinos that treat people better.

[@vietnowsoldo]

I always wondered how can a casino or dealer know that someone's counting cards. Are there any tells or something? Or how do they know that someone is not counting cards?

[@jasonpwnd]

If they deny paying you out you can call the gaming commission and they’ll send out an officer who will make the casino pay you and possibly fine or punish the casino depending on the circumstances. It might be different on certain tribal lands though. Do your research

[@nicholi2789]

Fascinating series. I’m a poker player not a blackjack player but I love these. Also, illani and the last frontier are 20 minutes from me. Very cool

[@Cloud21283]

Same here. Was excited to see some casinos I know. Kelso/Longview here.

[@LightningFoxHD]

This series is the absolute best thing on KZbin right now. Loving it

[@jabster3247]

FR

[@MortalAfterAll]

Hahha same thoughts, Steven just saying "fuck off you are not getting my ID" I could watch it forever

[@stevenbridges]

😂

[@stevenbridges]

Thank you! :D

[@LonerOnTheField]

I couldnt agree more

[@therealwaseem]

I have literally no experience with gambling but I still am loving this series

[@EightSixx]

yep same ashaha!

[@dominik6229]

Good and stay far from any gambling sites or casinos ..

[@stevenbridges]

haha thank you! Honestly gambling is a dangerous hobby. Would not recommend unless counting 😂

[@ezzyrappeport8856]

same

[@mouseclicksforu9724]

@@stevenbridges Yea its better to do swagbucks where you do surveys! If I do that one day in my life, you need to play responsibly!

[@alohafromsienna9510]

"Why can't I play anymore?" "We aren't letting you play because you are an advantage player." "What does that mean?" "We feel you are an advantage player" 10/10 explanation skills

[@LilacMonarch]

"What is the floor made of?" "Floor"

[@AragornRespecter]

Robbing casinos is a moral good.

[@jonnybaze7449]

“Not gonna play games” or “I’m not gonna debate” etc 100% of the time means you are right, they would like to play games and cannot debate.

[@NipapornP]

Exactly my experience over lifetime.

[@Bancheis]

"Not gonna play games" - My dude. This is an entire business built around playing games. The only difference is they rig the games in their favor, and anyone who manages to find a way to gain the advantage is denied service. It should be illegal to take advantage of less capable people, and giving them free alcohol to make them make poor decisions. But instead we punish the observant people who manage to get lucky... and counting cards is not perfect, it still requires luck.

[@blablabla7796]

@@Bancheis it doesn’t require luck. That’s the point. If you play a thousand hands, your small statistical advantage will guarantee a net gain. If you’re at a net loss with a statistical advantage over thousands of games, you might as well have won multiple lotteries in a row in how unlucky you are. I would show you the math but I’m too lazy and you probably don’t care. But again, no luck involved in card counting. You just need to play a shit ton of hands to benefit.

[@Bancheis]

@@blablabla7796 If you are keeping the bets small and playing hundreds of hands, sure. If you start off with a fresh deck and know every card that has already been dealt, sure. If your betting is not too aggressive and you don't lose all your winnings with a bad loss streak, sure. But if there is a bad loss streak when the numbers tell you otherwise, then there has to be some luck involved. Sure, you could probably do the math and find out the maximum you can bet and lose per hand at +5 and still come out ahead, but I still feel there is still going to be an element of luck involved. What works for some might not work for others, and the crazy thing about statistics and calculations about averages is you can easily lose when you expect to win. This is the Gambler's Fallacy, and yes it does apply to Blackjack in the sense that you are expecting to win based on statistics. Gambler's Fallacy is most well known for the Monte Carlo incident where a game of roulette landed on black 26 times in a row. That's a one in 66.6 million chance to happen, yet it did. People lost millions that day because they expected a (roughly) 50/50 chance to balance out and for red to come up more and more as the spins went on. Statistically, red should be coming up more often, absolutely. But if you are working with small sample sizes, and you were unlucky enough to sit down right before this streak started, you probably lost money on it. Counting the cards in successive deals from an unshuffled card deck, sure you can calculate that and win easy. However many casinos counteract card counting by adding more decks to the mix. The average is 6 decks, and some even run 8 decks. This severely impacts your odds, and while it may still be in your favor after a bunch of low cards, the odds don't change so much that you can guarantee high cards come out for you. Especially with others in the hand. There is always a chance the 1 in 66 million is going to happen to you, and with card counting from 6 or 8 decks, your odds are much more likely. Hence the Gambler's Fallacy.

[@blablabla7796]

@@Bancheis the point of card counting is to have a statistical edge. You don’t go in with the mindset that a 5% edge over the house and bet your life savings. You bet small and you play over the span of hours over multiple days. You should keep that in mind when card counting. You play so that luck _isn’t_ a factor. That’s the point. Your whole spiel about the gambler’s fallacy doesn’t refute anything I’m saying. I’m not sure why you took time out of your day to say that. Again, you count cards over hundreds if not thousands of hands. You bet a small amount and increase the bet proportional to your edge. You scale your bets vs your total initial investment so that the chance of you zeroing out your funds become as likely as winning the lottery.

[@johnsonnoodle3028]

The person pretending to be a cop should not have had their face hidden. Either they are arrested for impersonating an officer or have their life ruined. I'm all for it.

[@kensmith8492]

Probably tribal police. Folks need to remember when you are in an Indian casino you are not on U.S. territory. You don't have the normal legal protections. He would have been better off simply leaving with his chips and returning the next day to cash them out.

[@ized88]

Wasn't there one of the other staff members be like, "we have a police officer right here", too. He should get the same treatment...

[@jimmythecrow]

its not illegal to impersonate police.

[@asambi69]

@@jimmythecrow I dunno what country your from but in the US and UK it is.

[@PeaceMastah]

It’s tribal land

[@spooks188]

"+6 is a very good number" xD definitely one of the few people who were being polite after catching someone counting cards.

[@dogguy8603]

Its a nice creative and funny way to back someone off. I would honestly laugh and probably bullshit with the guy lol

[@bigboydee24]

Not sure how this popped up on my recommendation, but I’m addicted to these videos 😅

[@slimpickens7822]

This is pretty much the casino admitting that they’re scamming you and when they’re not scamming you they do not like it.

[@CalaTec]

You mean when they are not scamming you to the degree they expect. Because he was called out even when he was down 3 grand.

[@sleepingboiz8155]

@@CalaTec wow I didn’t think of that, that’s messed up to the point where I probably would never go casinos ever when I grow up

[@mattiaswrande1909]

​@@sleepingboiz8155 wise choice. Casinos exist because they are profitable for them, NOT you.

[@exitscreaming4637]

Huh ? What is the scam ?

[@sleepingboiz8155]

@@exitscreaming4637 the casino, in a way, is making sure you don’t win money or win a small amount, as proof the guy was kicked out cause he won a lotta money for “cheating” so it’s kinda a scam 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@globeztar]

Casinos seem to me almost as mafia-like organizations since I‘ve watched your videos. Incredible how the employees tried to push you down in this situation. You handled it very well, though and I‘m glad you mentioned the names of the casinos so anyone watching this is aware of what‘s going on in these facilities.

[@tmtmtlsml]

Casinos still retain not only the structures put in place when they were mafia-run, but also the lingo and the attitude of power at the higher levels. Where else can you work with someone whose title is The Pencil?

[@jaxsonbateman]

Casinos certainly contain some scummy parts - by their very nature, they're a 'funhouse' where people go in and essentially siphon off money to the owners. While individuals may get lucky here and there, there are so many people betting so often that the 'long run' is basically consistent, and the long run from the casino point of view is +EV on every game (except niches like - for example - an AP Blackjack player with a high enough count to gain the EV edge). So to begin with, you have a business where they're siphoning off money from everyone, and they usually don't care who. The pensions of the elderly; that poor guy on his last hundred dollars who is so desperate he doesn't care about the odds. They will gladly take every last dollar from people that can't afford to lose said dollars. Individuals within the casino may be decent people, but the business itself is pretty heinous. It's also very profitable - if I could turn off the empathy centre of my brain, and I was a multi millionaire, I'd definitely look at starting a casino or sportsbook (which generally operate in the same way). And because the casino's whole profit structure is based around all the games giving them the edge, they want to squash any interference with that notion immediately - so you get pit bosses, and in some cases, super aggressive pit bosses, who will do whatever they need to to get rid of players who have the edge over them.

[@lady4191]

They are

[@gooseguy1641]

They don't just seem like it; they are!

[@maybeitsyou1317]

That would make sense since Mafia control of casinos lasted up until the early 80's.

[@SpaceKarenMonkeyKiller]

Withholding your money illegally unless you provide ID is a crime called Extortion. If I had the time and patience I'd 100% sue the shit out of them.

[@zhadum353]

Depending on how much cash you are attempting to cash out they may be simply following the law - anything over $10k (total for the day, not just a single transaction) and they have to file a Cash Transaction Report with the federal government. (Oh and if you decide to break it out over a number of days to stay under that limit, then they may file a suspicious activity report)

[@SpaceKarenMonkeyKiller]

@@zhadum353 You clearly didn't watch the video, kind of embarrassing tbh

[@cmoeller3]

If you weren't card counting and cheating.. This would never happen

[@Mr_Zimm]

Its a private tribal casino. They can do whatever they want.

[@LunaticKD1991]

@@Mr_Zimm No. A tribal casino can not simply "do whatever they want". They can have and enforce their own policies but if they break the law by commiting a crime such as extortion they can in fact be prosecuted for it.

[@brohesive5239]

Binged like 15 of your vids and I keep thinking "I'm gonna get sick of this soon" but I never do. Always so interesting.

[@frank327]

The flow and editing of this series really brings home how much better independently created docs by motivated creators is than traditional TV. If this was a TV production company it would be overly narrated, ridiculously repetitive and simplified etc. Really makes me wonder do they know what they're doing, or does KZbin work better because they can reach a niche audience. Anyway, this series is superb.

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[@ipeediarrhea]

Reality TV is fake. This is real. If this was on TV the producers or whomever would tell all of the casino staff how to act and what to say and there would be multiple takes.

[@o0Noctuabundus0o]

tv trash is always geared toward the lowest common denominator. also they expect ppl to b tuning in and out randomly along with commercial breaks so you have to sum up ur idea into a very small simplistic catchy pitch while also being dramatic n exciting to hook ppl. The repetition comes from the expectation of ppl to be in and out every 5-10 mins without any clue what they just stumbled into. So basically, tv is engineered to target a horde of drunken toddlers with severe ADHD.

[@PieInTheSky9]

I'm not even a niche audience, this randomly appeared in my recommended videos and I couldn't stop watching.

[@sanjoaquinvalleytransparency1]

When paying attention makes you a millionaire. Thank you

[@jimmyschwarz9075]

@@Knucklehead4400 i would be like 6… oh that Floor looks nice… where was I?

[@eyejohnson]

Love you SJVT 😘

[@slimnim1753]

I'm the police in this house. I'd be happy to speak to a police officer.... Top notch response 👌👏well done

[@cjizzle5477]

Why didn't you tell him he doesn't need to give his info to the police unless he has commited a crime.

[@Stanna44]

So no thoughts about handing his ID over to the cops for no reason? He even said “it’s my right to hand over my ID to the cops” lol?

[@Mr.Plant1994]

This series makes me want to go to casino’s without ID and play blackjack, and I can’t even count cards 🤣

[@dr.floridamanphd]

He had ID (passport) but he knew he didn’t have to turn it over after showing ID to gain entry to the gaming floor. That’s why he kept saying he didn’t have it.

[@jessechamings8829]

Pretty sure the casinos agree with you that's a good idea

[@PervertHeart]

They won't ask as long as you're losing money.

[@JiveDadson]

@@dr.floridamanphd Indian tribes can do pretty much as they please on their land. You can't go running to the cops. They _are_ the cops.

[@JiveDadson]

@@PervertHeart They don't care if you are winning or losing. What matters is whether you have an advantage. They _want_ winning Joe Blows to stay and play. By definition, winning players have money to lose.

[@benstanfill363]

"we feel like you're an advantage player" "I'm down like 3 grand?" hahaha

[@andrewmccarty]

Just as an FYI, in the US, I'm quite sure that trespassing laws generally require you to refuse to leave in order to be legally trespassed. This means that as long as you leave when asked, you don't even need to show ID to the police. Certainly do your own research and take it with a grain of salt, but I just want to point that out in case it helps.

[@Meekerextreme]

No, you got to show your ID to police as they were called to investing a potential crime and States have rules that you need to be able to identify yourself if needed. This is why all States have State ID's because you don't need a drivers license as proof of ID. However we are a population that drives for the most part so it's common to use that as an ID. I'm suspecting people that might have grown up in NYC or other large cities there might be a bunch that don't ever get a drivers license because they never own a vehicle, thus a State ID. Some States I believe it's free even.

[@eric_w8ing_for_1776]

@@Meekerextreme police have to have a reasonable articulable suspicion of a crime first (terry stop) before they can legally compel your ID. Being trespassed isn't a crime and no ID is required, violating a trespass would be different.

@@Meekerextreme You don't have to show any ID card to an officer (if you're not driving). You can identify yourself verbally, by providing name, date of birth... But before any of that, the police need to have a reasonable articulable suspicion that you have committed, are committing, or you're about to commit a crime.

[@LucaFox]

@@Meekerextreme lul cops can't just ID you because they feel like it.

[@christophercarlone9945]

@@LucaFox My friend you don't live in the states do you? We value a certain kind of freedom here...a special kind of freedom...the freedom to not be truly free

[@thetruepatriot7733]

There are NO circumstance in which a business or citizen can force you to ID yourself. Even the police cannot demand ID unless you've been detained or arrested. A private business can come up with whatever policies they want, they may have a policy that you must carry your ID while in the casino, if you break their policies they can ask you to leave BUT they cannot physically force someone to ID themselves.

[@stevenbridges]

Very well put

[@waimeagavin808]

@@stevenbridges they need reasonable articulable suspicion that you have committed a crime or are about to in order to demand id or detain you. The 4th amendment of the constitution protects anyone in the United States from unlawful searches and seizures. In my opinion those officers did not have reasonable articulable suspicion at all.

[@Cipher_8]

Actually there is FinCEN laws that casinos and other establishments have to abide by and adhere to or face fines. So there are circumstances where they can require an ID (i.e. trying to cash in over $10,000 in a gaming day). Guy in video wasn't required to show an ID under these laws yet for his amount was less than $10,000 (unless we don't know something off camera). And no they can't force you even then. They just fill out a FinCEN report with details of your appearance and the incident and file it so they can't be held accountable.

[@stevenbridges]

@@Cipher_8 Very well put

[@bjfire01]

There are stop and Id states, cops can if you then...

[@MidnightMarrow]

Imagine in a store, you grabbed a drink and sipped it throughout the store, you have all your shopping items as well as the drink you were drinking and paid for it all. Management comes up to you after and tells you to never come back, you say, "Oh? Sure that's shitty. It's all paid for but whatever no problem, I'm leaving now." As you go to grab the shit you paid for, they block you from taking said items and tell you firmly again to leave. You say, "It's already paid for including the drink, I'm trying to leave! Give me my stuff!" Yada yada private property blah blah. This wouldn't fly in the slightest, nor does this happen because it is literally theft of your money. So how in the FUCK do Casino's always get away with shit like this? Even people that simply had a lucky streak and usually lose far more money than they managed to make this lucky night have gone through similar instances. It's outright illegal regardless of being private property, they are still legally bound to give you your property BEFORE you leave their premises. It's beyond fucked up these places are allowed to do this when many other places would get absolutely railed for doing anything remotely similar.

[@stevenbridges]

Great comparison! It baffles me when I get comments of people saying that because they’re a private business it’s fine.

[@barneylaurance1865]

Except grabbing a drink and drinking it in a store before paying is technically illegal. You have to get permission from the store *before* you consume anything, otherwise it can probably be classed as theft.

[@yummyherbicide7296]

Because the big money owns the people who make and enforce laws.

[@HidekiShinichi]

Well. Casinos have chips, not money. So... You can simply take your useless chips home and thats it. It is a bit like trying to get refund for all you purchased and then getting angry that you are not getting it. But on the other hand this is exactly why they use chips, so they can keep doing this shit.

[@noxure]

@@barneylaurance1865 No, it's technically not illegal to consume a beverage or food in the store before you pay for it - shops may not like it because of the potential mess when customer spill or put opened food packages on the conveyor belt, but it's not "illegal". They can't call the cops on you unless you attempt to walk without paying for it one way or another. Most stores understand that if a customer does something like this, they probably have a legitimate reason like diabetes or dehydration and they're not going berate a customer because they are in crisis-mode.

[@quikwo]

"You know what's wrong with blackjack, +6 is a very good number" this quote is really real, I assume the owner has had tons of interactions with counters in the past

[@MH-lk8md]

It’s so sick and twisted that casinos are allowed to kick out people who don’t want to participate willingly in their scam.

[@partiallyfrozen3425]

Well not really, it is still a business and you are technically on private property owned by someone. It sucks for us, but you wouldn't really want someone in your living room taking away your money. If they think that you are going to take their money, they don't want u in. What would be twisted is any law which stated that a person can openly disobey and participate in games even after the casino says no, because that means that the property owner loses power over private property, as well as meaning a lot of fights and lawsuits and complications when really the casino has the same right to say no, as u do to tell someone to leave your house.

[@rubberduck2078]

If you don't want to participate in their scam why would you care if they kick you out

[@morgothastartes]

Step one and only step to solve this is, dont go to casino. You going there makes you willing to participate by their rules. They did not come to you and force you to gamble.

[@NoNameNoWhere]

I'd like to hear a lawyer's opinion on this. I'm not a lawyer, but I feel the following argument sets an important precedent. This thug says they're providing a service and can refuse to cash out if ID isn't shown. In other words, he's banking on the "It's a service so I can make up whatever rules I want to cash you out". If that's the case, it means he could refuse to cash people out regardless of whether or not ID is shown. This means they can take people's money by telling them they can cash out, then decide not to cash out for whatever arbitrary reason's they choose. This is fraud. I feel like that would be the premise of the argument and laws would need researched and pulled up to back up these assertions.

[@quinnjackson9252]

@@NoNameNoWhere There could be a number of charges brought up against the casino, such as operating as a scam, fraudulent advertising/operating, impersonating a police officer, unlawful collection of personal information, etc, at least one of which that could hold up in court if they had in fact stolen his money and refused him the right to cash out. By law, he was required to show his ID to enter, but "jotting down personal info" could be even seen as identity theft, especially since no law exists mandating that ID is shown to get your money.

[@DarkHorseParatrooper]

How this should go. Casino: ofFiCeR hEs StEaLiNg fRoM uS! Officer: isn't that what you guys do though?

[@RandomGamer-fr9qf]

facts

[@jaxsonbateman]

While I agree that the casino structure is pretty scummy over all, and it can feel like stealing because most people going into the casino aren't aware that they are, on average, paying the "casino edge fee", but they're not actually stealing. Sure, the empathy centre of a casino owner and a thief might be very similar (that is, weak or non-existant), but the odds and probabilities of every game, bet and market can be figured out, and some responsibility has to be given back to the patrons.

[@everestfalls]

Casinos: This is a game of skill. Player: (Uses card counting skills) Casinos: You can't do that!!

[@igoral3035]

@lygophile ''luck''

[@igoral3035]

@lygophile the games are rigged

[@igoral3035]

@lygophile what about the casinos that push the top card from the deck and picking up the one below it? Isn't that cheating

[@donnovynxiong4737]

"plus 6 is a very good number" is hella funny knowing the big mans knows how to count cards as well lol. Really chill guy, he the only person i would ever be chill getting backed off.

[@Photosynthesisbeing]

As an ex croupier (dealer) i loved it when a card counter came to the table. They were diff to the average player in the confidence about cards. But in our casino we had what was called a big C. This cut the cards to 80% of the original cut of what an ordinary customer would get, but near the end of the shoe (8 deck of cards) the card counter would start maxing out bets and hit nearly 90% of the time. Which as a croupier was cool to see someone winning for a change. Since this was 20 years ago they were abit smarter and would win for about 3 shoes then leave till the next week.

[@chrispankey4640]

That security guard just committed a crime by presenting himself as a police officer.

[@lnk3503]

So does anyone who represents the bank, and not the state, as an actual police officer.

[@cstacy]

Yup that's a serious felony. He should be imprisoned.

[@adamrahman2341]

New viewer here but I will say this: If there is no LAW governing counting cards or "advantaged players" and you have committed no crime, you are not LEGALLY required to show identification. No, it does not matter that you aren't a citizen of the united states. Next time, politely ask the police officer if they'd be willing to articulate what crime they have reasonable suspicion that you committed. If they cannot articulate, don't provide identification. If they press for ID, or threaten to charge you with failure to identify or obstruction as there is no actual crime being investigated and the matter that the casino called is purely civil UNTIL trespassed. Them withholding money over $1,000 meets the minimum threshold for felony theft in most states ($1,000-$2,500). Let them forcibly remove your ID. Take the casino for filing a false police report that caused your rights to be violated and then take the city for violating your rights.

[@MarkOfTzeentch]

"Next time, politely ask the police officer if they'd be willing to articulate what crime they have reasonable suspicion that you committed" lol you expect the pigs to back up the private citizen, or the casino that is paying into their Widow and Retirement Fund?

[@dreknows]

Exactly crooks and bad police need be corrected if we don't nobody will

[@bouncerslabrealnature9143]

l

[@pablovirus]

That'd be the ultimate comeback. Do you think you one sue them/the city over this scenario and win? And how much?

[@ralphinator2]

yes you are on private property. they can ask you to leave for any reason and if you don't then you are trespassing

[@quinnengel5164]

7:02 Pit boss was very nice and calm, he’s definitely a chill dude out of work

[@hunnnerrlarry2058]

That one casino manager that you admitted counting to, is a real genuine human

[@NotALoonOhio]

I hope this is forwarded to the gaming comission of Washington and possibly civil rights comission. They have violated the law and held this man against his will.

[@joemiller95]

Forward it yourself if you think it will do any good. But without his name and an exact time and date they can't do anything with it. And they would have to give his name to the casino to even have the discussion. So...

[@huntersims1966]

Why would you think that the gaming commission would side with the gambler instead of the casino? The gaming commission is part of the state gov't, and the state gov't benefits from gamblers losing (tax revenue). In other words, there's a conflict of interests involved. Also, the casino could just as easily bribe any politician or enforcement agency. That's just the way of the world.

[@316Autos]

Things are tricky in Native American casinos. In general, they can do whatever they want and you don't have much legal recourse, because everything goes through Tribal courts, not state or federal. They're one of the more dangerous casinos for card counters.

[@ILLIFIED77]

@@316Autos Don't legal issues between native and us citizens have to be litigated by the local US Attorneys Office?

[@316Autos]

@@ILLIFIED77 From what I've read, not in the case of casinos, they are immune to prosecution or lawsuits in US courts. Reservations are basically a small country all to their own where US laws and protections don't apply, unless it's a major felony,

[@yaskynemma9220]

The amount of effort that is to put all the subtitles to conversations is huge, I hope you are feeling alright, dont burn out and take your time with the videos, we love them any time they come out. Magic, counting, busking, your videos are amazing

[@edwardbinns7499]

Seconded!

[@LiamODellUK]

As a Deaf viewer, thirded!

[@OGRE_HATES_NERDS]

ive never put subtitles on a youtube video but it seems like it would be very very easy. you just type what they say and i assume there is some editing software that makes it easy to put the words over the video.... what am i missing here? surely it couldnt take more than say, an hour at the most, and more like half that. please explain to me how wrong i am. i want to learn.

[@LiamODellUK]

@@OGRE_HATES_NERDS You aren’t wrong! KZbin’s captions editor makes it incredibly easy these days. You can simply paste a script and it will automatically assign that to the video, you can type as you watch, or you can go in and edit the automatic captions as you watch. It’s pretty impressive.

[@OGRE_HATES_NERDS]

@@LiamODellUK thats what i figured lol. i mean im sure it was a lot of work to edit these videos, but it seems like the subtitles would be one of the easiest parts for sure. for people who can hear at least lol. no offense

[@TUUK2006]

I've never gone into a casino, but from watching your videos, I'm surprised that so many casino employees don't get uniforms. So many just wearing sports jerseys and stuff.

[@BuildHousing]

In Washington state, it’s very common for Seahawks fans to wear team jerseys on Fridays or other days close to gamedays. Most blackjack dealers wear formal attire, but because so many patrons are locals and Seahawks fans, it’s good for business to let dealers wear jerseys as well

[@Programmierer]

In Germany the casinos sharing photos and information, asking for ID and storing it, would just get sued and consumer protection would whoup them.

[@DeathBringer769]

Europe tends to have better consumer protection laws than the USA does.

[@chickenmonger123]

@@DeathBringer769 They tend to exert more social and economic control too. It’s a type of philosophy called enlightenment, and it suggests that personal liberty is more important than safety. As letting one define what is or isn’t safe, would with less insistence on rigorous standards of how far the government can restrict them, is determined to be unworth the cost. Seeing as safety is highly subjective. Does it work? Some. Individual State’s are more analogous to European Countries however. Where the Federal power is universal, the States individual laws are not. So in some few States there are heavier recording restrictions. And others more lax. This is wrapped in concepts of Consent of the Parties, and Expectation of Privacy. And they vary. However if I ran a Casino in Germany, if it was legal, I’d only run a Gaming Floor if the individual agreed to waive the right. And restrict access based upon whether you agree or not. With specifics of who can have that data and recording stipulated. One also wonders how Germans use services like KZbin or Google. They constantly track you. My guess would be, either the individual waiving the right to be unmonitored, or they keep the info private and with propriety. Instead of selling info to advertisers, they sell the advertisers the service of personally delivering the adds based on private and totally unshared demographic profiles.

[@k.v.7681]

@@chickenmonger123 Roughly (because european countries vary in law), info in casinos is compartmentalised. The databases are not provided or run by private companies, but by government agency, and they don't register card counters. All they do is store legal-ralated stuff. Say you accrued massive gambling debts. A judge can bar you from casinos, and you will be flagged on entry. A vetted agent in the casino will process that info. And only that vetted person. They are not allowed to communicate reasons or anything to other staff, just "that person has been flagged, they can't play". Those databases store your name, age, gender and national ID number (depending on the country). Another way to be barred is to ask for it yourself. Lots of former gambling adicts do that to avoid the compulsion throwing them off. In my country, that ban stays in place for 5 years until you renew it. That specific database is managed by the ministry of either justice or interior affairs. Casinos can still refuse service and ask you to leave (on the condition that it isn't based on discrimination) if they recognise you as a counter or some such, but that info won't be shared at all with other casinos, lest they want a run-in with the relevant authority. (In France, it fetches 5 years in prison and 300 000€ in fine, moral entities being deemed responsible trough their CEO. Add 15k€ and a year every time the commission in charges deems an obstruction to their work has been made. Belgium is along the same lines. Norway just fined a company 6M€ for illegally sharing data). There is, however, a need to process ID or other data in some cases. Tax (their own or that of the customer), function (apps for gps etc),... In those cases, they have to make it clear what is used, how and when. And you have to agree to access the service. In the case of France and Belgium, there is even a mandatory separate option to allow customers to stop companies from sharing that data to other companies. And companies must be able to track who they sold data to if ever the customer wants it brought down, which they are legally entitled to ask trough a basic letter. Companies have two weeks counting from the reception of the demand to comply. Past that, if you get phone call ads or anything because of that data, the company is liable. To avoid the issues that might cause in terms of logistics, they indeed proceed like you suggested in your last paragraph.

[@alk555]

When the credentialed LE officer legally took your ID and processed it over his radio with his department's services, it is extremely likely that the casino captured images of your ID and audo recorded your full name and any other information discussed in that exchange. That is how good the cameras and microphones are in the casinos.

[@Javidom14]

the moment his id was taken, it is available through a FOI request, which the casino probably filed because of that, they have his data

[@wayneco]

Casinos are quite literally state sanctioned, licensed and regulated theft operations, who are essentially allowed to keep several percent of all the cash in all the pockets of those who sit down at a card table, a slot machine or other gaming table or gambling device. As long as the state gets their cut.

[@JoMcD21]

That's how most shit goes with the states. Screw the people unless the people can afford good lawyers. America is one big theft ring.

[@bonksadventure8647]

You have no idea what you are talking about.

[@b3arwithm3]

They are providing entertainment and are entitled to collect a fee. What is wrong with running a profitable business?

[@JoMcD21]

@@b3arwithm3 That's like saying a drug dealer is in the right because people get high. They prey on weak people who have addictions. Stop defending horseshit. It makes you look stupid.

[@enderdrag6491]

@@b3arwithm3 if you find losing your money to be entertaining

[@MathewMcDonald-dy8zg]

Love the Psychedelic Furs playing in the background.

[@GucciGoblins]

You should have brought up the fact that one of the casino employees identified as a police officer, that's the only illegal thing that happened.

[@ModestKarma]

Yeah I was like…you can’t do that.

[@-Nick-T]

they cant deny your cashout. those chips represent a contract!

[@BrooklynBalla]

Those cops wouldn’t do shit about it.They protect those Casinos and side with them no matter what.

[@ghostwriter720]

@@BrooklynBalla they are tribal police, part of the indian reservation he was on....

[@texasforever7887]

Unfortunately this is tribal land so the laws of the United States don't apply. You are subject to the laws and courts of the tribe. This is why you should avoid indian casinos.

[@mysticsmaniacs]

I believe the officer wasn't implying teaming, but using actual technology (calculator, laptop, hidden device on your leg that another counter is sending morse code through, etc) to assist in counting as a team which is considered illegal.

[@Blackjacksnapper]

Yep that's the only time it's illegal is if you use any devices to count.

[@yurr7408]

I love how things calm down when the police come, they probably hate these calls and think its a waste of time themselves

[@zRendeRz]

"By Law?" "For here, yes." THAT IS NOT BY LAW LADY LMAO

[@TheJorge10466]

"+6 is a very good number" Dude aced him with that argument. Respect for how polite he was, though,

[@ajm5007]

What really gets me is that casinos know the PERFECT way to neutralize advantage play . . . use a freshly shuffled deck for every single hand. If you do that, the count never changes, and there's no way to beat the house edge. The reason so few casinos do that is that they WANT people to TRY counting. They know some of their best profits come from people who know ABOUT counting, but can't actually do it well, so they want to make sure that it's POSSIBLE, but then back off anyone who's good enough to actually make it work.

[@Googahgee]

The main reason is that shuffling a deck takes time and can discourage even regular, non-counting people from playing

[@therfnoob7697]

@@Googahgee what? You could easily have 2 decks in each table, one being openly shuffled by a machine while the other is being used to play.

[@henryhenrison7122]

@@therfnoob7697 have you even been inside a casino?? lol

[@therfnoob7697]

@@henryhenrison7122 lol, no actually.

[@ajm5007]

@@Googahgee Three decks. One in the shuffler, one in the dealer's hands, one on standby. After each hand, grab the standby deck, move the shuffled deck to standby, and put the used deck in the shuffler. There ARE some tables that actually do this, sport. It's not as time-consuming as you think. It takes no more time than shuffling 6-deck shoe every dozen hands does. It's just not as profitable for the reasons I already described.

[@deathtotruthers1]

Gotta give credit where credit's due. These cops were calm, deescalated the situation, found a solution that made everyone happy (well, maybe not the casino 100%, but pretty much everyone). I watch a lot of "cops behaving badly" videos, where a lot of cops act exactly like the guy backing you off did, and escalate at every turn. It's nice to see cops doing things the right way. Well done on this one, boys in blue.

[@casedistorted]

Yeah I respect officers like this a lot. There needs to be more police like this

[@Some_Cow]

The clip with the actual police officer that came in sounded like an old cod lobby, but with way less slurs

[@dangerdavefreestyle]

this video should illustrate why no-one should ever step foot in a casino. how they are allowed to exist is beyond me. the odds are not in your favor and it is a grand deception. the id thing is a GAME they play to establish dominance, separate you from your property, use it to incriminate you, and record your info. if there was no crime committed you did not have to show it to the policeman either, however, they are taught to play the same GAME, and unfortunately, if you did not do it, they may break your balls in which case even if you do win the case, you do not win anything because they have wasted your time and money, and they everyone involved in the process is paid to be there, there is rarely a penalty for their wrongdoing. you can potentially file a lawsuit and win some money, but it is a long exhaustive process, and in the end result it does not come out of their pocket.

[@neofelisnebulosa3871]

Very true, most money counters don’t win much anyway and it’s nothing compared to the overall profit of the casino, they should back off but not as soon as they detect you maybe an hour or so, and they shouldn’t obey the rights of all customers even if they are taking your money

[@neofelisnebulosa3871]

Because at the end of the day if you win too much they kick you out

[@giulio7918]

Of course you dobt win. They offer a service. You go there, you play, you have fun. You cant also expect them to pay you to do that. And its not like no one knows that the house has better chances than you. And as for forbidding casinos: people like to gamble, if they can they may go to a casino, but if its forbidden they do it illegally. Then you have just as many players, but in a less regulated environment and with no tax income

[@scottmoltzan8646]

They generally market themselves as an "entertainment business", and definitely not a get rich quick business. So when the odds are against you you're paying for entertainment. When you tilt the odds in your favor they don't want your action because you're no longer just playing for entertainment, or not playing in the spirit of the game, or whatever other bs they say. And they can give themselves cover for asking for ID saying they need to make sure you're old enough to gamble even if that's not the true reason. They are truly a slimy operation but they'll always exist because there's always people who will be willing to pay for the (expensive) entertainment just like any other entertainment people normally enjoy.

[@Max-eh3gj]

Card counting is advantage play and casinos have a right to not let you play - everyone knows the odds are not in Your favour and yet still enter and gamble the casino is not forcing you to give them money. ID is required by law to prevent things like money laundering and problem gambling. As a dealer I feel casinos are given a bad name sometimes unfairly by people believing bullshit stories and conspiracies about the place - play within your means and you won’t regret what you have spent, there are signs all over the building about responsible gambling and we have a job to protect our customers wellbeing.

[@basementjesus7346]

That guy at 19:25 is not the hero we want but the hero we need. Straight up backed you in doing exactly what the casinos do daily to people ie making the odds ever so slightly fall in your favor without legally braking any laws.

[@Astron0mical_]

The minute you win they refuse to cash out. Says a lot about casinos and the lack of morals these establishments have

[@cragl3yman343]

I'm pretty sure there's some legality issues there if they won't allow you to cash out. Counting Cards isn't illegal they just don't like it because it gives players advantages over the house. Which I mean if they back him off or ban him is perfectly fine, but any winnings he has gained are perfectly his he won them fair and square.

[@soltude5647]

You can come back later to cash out

[@janklas7079]

@@soltude5647 or just sell the chips to other players outside.

[@cosmin77sin]

Just not true, he was not refusing to cash him out because he was winning. He was an advantage player, that's why he was asked to leave. Lack of morals, he knows exactly what he is doing and acting dumb most of the time. He puts himself in this positions, just wasting everyone's time and resources.

[@soltude5647]

@@janklas7079 why buy chips from some random person outside?

[@ToanIV]

Casino: You’re an advantaged player! Player: I’m advantaged because I’m down 3 grand?! 😭

[@I_am_a_human_not_a_commodity]

"Nooo, you can't win that much! We can't part with a couple thousand of our ill-gotten fortune! 😭" Seeing these dudes freak out because their scam isn't working was pretty entertaining. Thanks for the content. :)

[@ReignOfPraine]

This video is extremely effective in showing that all the hassle you get as a player may not be worth the reward

[@exitscreaming4637]

Well yeah , if you're a card-counter

[@toasternfriends3329]

@@exitscreaming4637 If you aren't a card counter or great hold 'em player, then it is *never worth it* to play at any casino.

[@gamermasta525]

@@exitscreaming4637 I think you mean person that actually wants to gain money and not lose money so if you're happy being the person that loses money all the time then go ahead.

[@exitscreaming4637]

@@gamermasta525 No I meant what I said...if you aren't a card-counter in a situation like this , you get zero hassle in a casino . Right ?

[@gamermasta525]

@@exitscreaming4637 Then why go. To not get hassled and to loose money.

[@jong3397]

Never understood how a casino can legally stop an individual from playing a game if the player has the intellectual ability to beat the casino.

[@Denverian]

there's no law that states a casino shall stop players from playing. But they have a right to refuse to serve/allow individuals on their establishment and that's what they are exercising. They pretend they have rights to refuse cash out or require ID for every step a person makes, that's just tactics to give hard time on the player and let the person give up and just leave.

[@Brandolupa]

@@Denverian per the WA state liquor control board, anywhere with restrictions of minors (ie bars, stripclubs, casino gaming floors generally) you have to be able to provide ID at any point or may be asked to leave the premises. verifying his id to cash out could easily be a tracking thing for tax purposes since anything over 10k per day requires a report, and several transactions spread over several days requires a suspicious activity report (those are both from OR casinos, my former roommate worked in the cage of one, i am not 100% sure if it is the same in WA casinos)

[@SIPEROTH]

They have the right not to provide you their services in the same way that KZbin could decide to ban your account for no reason what so ever and you can do nothing about it. Basically they say "i am a private entity and this is my home, i can serve who ever i want at my home." So they can deny serving you cards or letting you play at the black jack table. Of course as an individual you have a right to your own body and personal information which is why they don't have the right to take your ID and try to use tricks to get that.

[@DeathBringer769]

Counting cards isn't actually illegal. They just don't like it and can ask you to leave, and refuse to do business with you anymore. Them trying to pretend it's "illegal" is them just trying to scare you.

[@SgtDuster]

​@@Brandolupa Did you watch the video at all? He SPE-CI-FI-CAL-LY stated that he knew the 10k$ treshold and that he was nowhere near that. And that he understood they could ask him to leave if he had no ID on him (or didn't want to show it). He was OK with leaving but not without HIS money.

[@brianbrennan5600]

A notice that you're going to be trespassed has to be given before you're trespassed, at which point you can simply leave.