Cass review - Helen Joyce BBC 5 Live Breakfast

Helen Joyce talks to Rick Edwards on BBC 5 Live Breakfast about the Cass Review and the failings of the NHS' Gender Identity Service.
Read Sex Matters' response to the Cass review: sex-matters.org/posts/updates...

[@jellokween1680]

Good grief about time the BBC had this intelligent woman on to discuss this very important issue.

[@robinrdale8318]

Before you know it they will be taking about climate change with scientists on both sides , the farming crisis and ESG

[@johannabarry4672]

😂😂😂 that's not the BBC these days.

[@natalieroy7589]

Women like JkRowling, Helen Joyce, kellie J Keane are absolute heroes and the biggest supporters of women and protectors of children. Thank god for you ladies who have taken the biggest hit publicly after exposing this child abuse.

[@Genevieve-qe1br]

Hear hear

[@johnhudson5414]

They are all transphobes. History will remember them as such and you will end up quiet just as you did when gays finally got their rights. You people are on the wrong side of social progress.

[@CalTheKiwi1]

As are some men, Graham Linehan for one. Utter hero.

[@natalieroy7589]

@@CalTheKiwi1 100% agree. He has lost nearly everything defending women and children.

[@gubbins1933]

@@CalTheKiwi1 Jordan Peterson is another.

[@FlashdogFul28]

Go Helen Joyce, well done.

[@7agadshill]

Helen Joyce is amazing, love her work that she's been doing for years. She is saying exactly what a normal person knows. These treatments for kids are abuse. They are not evidence based at all.

[@jessk7240]

Wow. Helen is always articulate and on point but this was just perfect - every word.

[@stephenford5839]

She really is an incredibly talented lady who can articulate on issues with precision. I could listen to this lady every day of the week. Whoever at the nhs refused to pass information should be summarily dismissed.

[@Aarenby]

She is an eugenicist

[@wolfhugs2221]

This subject will never have fair and rational coverage with the ideologically captured BBC.

[@keithyork8226]

In fairness, I thought Helen was given a fair hearing.

[@GreenWhitePurple]

@@keithyork8226 …. several years late

[@wolfhugs2221]

​@@keithyork8226as GreenWhitePurple says above. They've not had serious GC voices on before now and the before and after of Helen's piece was still promoting the ideology. Between this and Saville, it seems "auntie" is always going to be useless when it comes to the interests and safety of children.

[@gladiator652004]

How dare the NHS attempt to thwart a government review. It's a total negation of parliamentary government.

[@theoutsider6191]

It shows how little faith they have in what they've been doing....

[@GreenWhitePurple]

It shows that they know they’re doing it for the wrong reasons - Ideology, not evidence based medicine

[@theoutsider6191]

@@GreenWhitePurple Ideology is a powerful thing, many wars have been waged down the millenia for exactly that.

[@earthsmoke9450]

Given that we’ve watched an endless stream of politicians produce unintelligible word salad when simply asked “what is a woman”, I don’t believe they are as committed to the Cass report as you seem to believe.

[@theoutsider6191]

@@earthsmoke9450 You may have a point there, but it'll be more important what happens when the Giggle vs Tickle case is heard in Australia. Sound like a joke, but it is called that. Sall Grover is the CEO of Giggle. Plenty interviews with her out there. That has global implications asa the legal case is all about the definition of "woman" as laid down in a binding legal agreement that 189 nations are signed up to. Forgive me i can't recall the acronym at the mo. But if it goes the way of sanity FM, there will be legal president for all those 189 nations which will mean the politcal classes won't have to worry about being hounded on twitter. They will have an appropriate response.

[@alc8463]

She smashed it. Social contagion and if you bestowed this on your child, you're responsible for child abuse.

[@JulieFishman-gs4zg]

It's time to start naming names of the people who supported this . . . the BBC, Channel 4, the Guardian, Owen Jones, all Graham Linehan's old friends such as Graham Norton, Stewart Lee and more.

[@LaLeMay]

The BBC should be held to account for covering this up and still trying in this interview

[@neilmeadows8890]

What a woman Helen Joyce is, incisive analysis of a shocking medical scandal. Great to hear her give the BBC some rightly deserved stick too, for their part in looking the other way. She's a heroine.....

[@Al-ny8dk]

Helen Joyce is a shining voice of reason and clarity.

[@nikobellic570]

First time Helen Joyce invited onto BBC

[@anomietoponymie2140]

First time SINCE she started exposing trans ideology for what it is, she was often invited on as a journalist prior.

[@Jess-nc4oy]

Helen was on fire! mad respect.

[@BooksWeCanRead]

💯

[@rogerflack415]

The BBC's approach to this issue has been no less reprehensible than the Tavistock. They are complicit and need to be held to account. Joining the growing numbers of people no longer paying the licence fee is one way to send a clear message.

[@stevenbrady440]

Well said.

[@alexbennet4195]

The funny thing is that for years the pro-trans-advocacy side has been saying the exact same thing - of course, for the opposite reasons

[@JackxJewell]

Glad to see the BBC finally platforming this!

[@Bobmudu35UK]

They're complicit in this child abuse.

[@garyf2636]

@@Bobmudu35UK Exactly, the backside covering in the days to come will be very telling.. and then they will start to throw each other under the bus.. If they dont start bringing cases against Parents, Doctors and Politicians who signed off on the mutilation of perfectly healthy gay children and children with mental health issues then, as we know its rotten from the top to the bottom and the inside out.

[@Englishknight825]

The bbc are a disgrace. Even in the face of this overwhelming evidence the interviewer still tries to wriggle out. Then, predictably rolls out the “parent of a trans kid” in a bid to shame Helen for her correct and factual analysis of the situation. The sooner this biased radical left organisation is shut down the better. Those and many other outlets like them have blood on their hands, namely the activist left wing journos who are motivated by ideology over fact. Disgusting

[@annie538]

Still trying to make excuses for it though sadly.

[@lesleymooney305]

It’s only taken around 7 years 🙄

[@kevinmaltby4202]

The BBC needs to be booted hard and continually over this scandal that they have never questioned, offered airtime to opposing views and more or less promoted. Don't forget all this pro-noun non-sense is just the start of it all as well.

[@catherinerobilliard7662]

The BBC have been shoved into talking about this, but with their DEI hiring and firing who works there, they won’t change their spots.

[@wolfhugs2221]

Agreed. I don't expect to see it on BBC news more generally.

[@tracythomas132]

@@wolfhugs2221I guarantee it will be hidden in all mainstream news.

[@Andygarrett357]

This demands a thorough Crown Inquiry, accountability assigned and punishments (including jail) for those involved in this medical fiasco.

[@TechToWatch]

The guilty have retired with fat NHS pensions leaving NHS to pay compensation in the years ahead. Or they've moved to private sector and doing the same thing as before.

[@lukeoneill513]

Jail? Jail is not a suitable consequence for people committing genocide.

[@Andygarrett357]

@@lukeoneill513 Transgenderism is body mutilation; not murder like Hamas is doing to Israel, which is an attempt at genocide.

[@healingcreationsmandalaart5056]

Well done Helen. 👏

[@thespookyhoose8299]

On the Beeb! Its about time they stopped being complicit! Thank you all so much at sex matters. You have been invaluable in my learning journey about this issue.

[@siobhanryanoleary2816]

Why thwart a very independent report? When any organisation refuses to be transparent and open, me thinks something is afoot.

[@drengskap]

Helen Joyce being invited to speak on the BBC? It seems that the debate around gender ideology might finally be shifting back towards sanity.

[@omp199]

Fingers crossed.

[@nforne]

They’re supposed to be unbiased so when a story gets as big as this they have no choice but to interview those they’d previously shunned. But they’re crafty. Question Time is their favourite as it *appears* to be fair, but is actually carefully controlled.

[@Christine-ry1qq]

I’m so grateful for Sex Matters Thanks for everything you are doing ladies. You are all much appreciated We’ve waited so long for this report which has ultimately confirmed everything we all knew! Shame on those complicit in this abuse !

[@thorpsewinglessons5913]

Christine ry 1qq Helen Joyce tells the truth .thank goodness. Normality has to return at some. But for some who have gone through this terrible situation their bodies are permanently damaged. Which is a terrible shame.

[@janegardener1662]

Helen Joyce is a hero. She stands up for children!

[@dwaynebailey333]

Blimey its wonderful listening to Helen Joyce give and interview. Just such clarity.

[@davidlee8838]

Thank god this report has been published before labour get into power. They would have shut it down before it could be released.

[@clairhonnor6211]

I've voted labour for 30 years and I agree

[@GreenWhitePurple]

Yes.

[@samsonlovesyou]

Keeping the data from the review is the most shocking revelation of all. That tells us they KNEW they were engaged in malpractice. There must be sackings and suspensions of licences now.

[@duncanhewitt6557]

The NHS should not have been experimenting on vulnerable children in the first place.

[@PozoBlue]

I think t is worse, if I remember the preliminary findings of the review in 2021 and the keira bell court findings (and the judge's comments). There is NO data, meaning, they simply didn't collect or keep data, did no follow up. It is absolute and total criminal negligence.

[@moraymac2922]

Activists posing as medics

[@huskymad]

SexMatters and the Free Speech Union are probably the two most important organisations in Britain at the moment. Both do fantastic work.

[@clairhonnor6211]

I'm a member of both. The FSU helps protect me for my membership of the other

[@HellCatt0770]

I’m so grateful for the work they do! Let Women Speak has also been a fantastic movement for me.

[@cycledance]

Well done Helen, as always.

[@tompommerel2136]

Joyce has been TOTALLY consistent about the ideological capture of the NHS. BRAVO

[@stirlingoscar736]

Oh, now she’s allowed on the BBC. Time for a few people to eat humble Cass flavoured pie.

[@lynnebarnes3840]

Helen Joyce, always on point, cool, calm and logical.

[@woodywdy9996]

Do you know when you have those conversations where someone asks “pick 4 people, living or dead you’d have at a dinner party”. Got to be honest Helen would be top of my list.

[@slacktoryrecords4193]

The woman is an absolute legend.

[@GreenWhitePurple]

Helen Joyce, Douglas Murray, Kellie Jay Keen and JK Rowling

[@woodywdy9996]

@@GreenWhitePurple now that’s a dinner party!

[@beckymurray80]

Finally the BBC cannot look away! Helen is the supremo of gently but firmly letting people know they’re wrong!

[@robynm5250]

Well done, Helen! Even when challenged by the ignorant interviewer you stuck to your ground. Trans “care” harms children! 👏

[@BasicAngel2266]

Rick Edwards thinks he's much smarter than he really is... 😊

[@herbertlongfellow7702]

It pains the BBC to have to address these issues. They've done a marvellous job of ignoring this scandal up to now

[@peterford5408]

Was he wrong in anything he said? 4:13 perhaps?

[@earthsmoke9450]

@@peterford5408 Yes.

[@errin-mp1zy]

@@herbertlongfellow7702 They have actively promoted it on CBeebies.

[@colmfox3752]

Well done Helen, in the Belly of the Beast - Woke BBC is not part of the problem it is the problem!

[@BooksWeCanRead]

🔥🔥 glad she gave them a good talking to. They have been so profoundly irresponsible. Hard not to be angry with them.

[@PaulCowcher]

These fools will be held accountable in future years for child abuse. Don't get me started on some classroom teachers!

[@ireallymeanthis2760]

Some of the younger ones I believe chose teaching for the very reason that it would put them in a position to further the cause through the indoctrination of children. The universities appear to be flooded with mad leftish ideologies, with gender being seen as the most cutting edge.

[@kroon275]

What a brilliantly well spoken advocate for common sense in this increasingly deranged trans debate

[@thomassaunderson2746]

Wonderful, wonderful woman. The greatest frustration and scandal with the Cass report is that absolutely nothing in it comes as any surprise whatsoever.

[@maryskelcher8979]

How can the NHS refuse to cooperate with an official government-backed research project?

[@craighart9278]

Respect! 🙏

[@r.c.3614]

Helen for President ❤

[@pixie3458]

No medical care should be given without evidence!

[@johannabarry4672]

Or you explicitly participate in a clinical trial where you understand the risks as well as any benefits and provide informed consent.

[@forestranger312]

It’s so strange this modern trend of gender fluid attitude amongst young people. I’m an old person facing the end of my life and have 70 years of life experience. My first school was 1200 pupils and going right through my education which ended at university as a mature student in my 30’s and then a teacher in secondary education upto 18 years olds, I NEVER EVER came across one single young person that had any issues regarding not knowing what gender they were. I specialised in social and sex education and was closely involved in many very sad cases of sexual abuse by adult grooming gangs. But we never had one case where a child felt they were the wrong sex. What has gone wrong to suddenly find thousands of children needing these terrible drugs to make them feel ‘normal’ it’s complete tripe and nonsense. Why can’t we stop meddling in children’s lives and let them grow up normally. Kids always grow out of pre and post pubescent ideas, these are normally fed to them on social media and from their parents.

[@pixie3458]

Well said this is a socially regressive movement

[@ApacheMagic]

You are absolutely correct. I think as Helen said, the one missing element in this puzzle is the social contagion. Also, voices of authority lying to children teaching them they can change sex.

[@burgercide]

Thank you.

[@slacktoryrecords4193]

That “text from the parent of a trans boy” is rife with misinformation.

[@GreenWhitePurple]

I found it difficult to listen to. They don’t need the “support” they’ve been on waiting lists for, they need support in getting their child mentally well and away from social media and school brainwashing.

[@deebee22130]

And these parents themselves need help....need help to cop on to their naivety and stupidity....

[@tomgreene1843]

Irish media also have looked away ...??

[@vincentdunne5129]

Unfortunately yes. Helen made the point in another interview that she is the only Irish best selling author not to interviewed by any of the Irish media outlets.

[@tomgreene1843]

@@vincentdunne5129 I am not surprised ..she would not suit the godesses!

[@tomgreene1843]

In fairness it was carried on the evening news , but as a below the fold item. The demand for any such interventions was remarkably low given the prominence given to the topic.

[@Bexamina]

Dr Cass using the words of the gender cult, in my personal opinion, undermines her work a little bit. I would very much like her to ammend, "trans children", "sex assigned at birth", "gender identity." These give some weight to the notion that 'being born in the wrong body" is actually a thing, when it isnt. It's a start, we can build on this, but we still have a long way to go.

[@TonyEgg93]

I want people to face prison time for what they've done to these children.

[@wolfhugs2221]

Agreed.

[@johnpaterson4579]

Helen Joyce's crystal clear analysis of a very complicated issue, spoken in a lovely Irish brogue, is music to the ears. The iron-clad grip she keeps on science, logic and reason, grounds every argument she has in support of her position. Keep up the great work Maya and Helen.

[@fusionfan6883]

Helen is a real hero battling against this harmful ideology for many years, and finally being vindicated. I found her book Trans immensely helpful in understanding this complex issue. It will be interesting to see how the radical trans lobby responds to this authoritative report.

[@irisElee]

"Questions asked"? How about "thrown in prison & key thrown away"?

[@kayblunden6856]

Goodness but she’s good…..👍

[@keithyork8226]

A precise, forensic and fair-minded analysis, as we have come to expect from Helen Joyce.

[@sarahjackson3550]

Helen on the BBC at last. She is so clear and concise about this scandal. Heads should roll at in the NHS and at Ministerial level.

[@John-kj7tv]

Everything you need to know about this is contained in the fact that the NHS is unwilling or reluctant to engage. The government agencies are going to try and do some damage limitation.

[@QueenJuno88]

Helen Joyce 💯

[@AlanHandsome_]

I love the precision and economy of her words. Every sentence contains a point with a verifiable fact. It’s clear she’s a mathematician and very, very clever. She must utterly confound her adversaries who use hyperbole and manipulate emotions. She’s calm, accurate, assured and always backed by good science.

[@margefield8520]

At last, it's so good to hear the BBC doing sensible interviews on this subject. I hope BBC will now apologise to the people who raised the red flag on transgender ideology and practices and whose careers they seriously damaged by blocking them from working. I speak in particular about the comedy writer Graham Linehan who has been proved right in all that he has said.

[@earlducaine1085]

This interview is miles ahead of where the BBC was for years, but it's still remarkable that the interviewer's push-back is a fallacious argument, re affirmative care not being proven to not have a beneficial effects on mental health. Medical intervention that carries known risks must be proven to be effective. Then those benefits must be proven to outweigh the harms. You can't conduct medical journalism without centering that notion. It MIGHT be that the treatment is experimental and therefor the full harms and benefits are under investigation, but that is, by definition, not standard treatment and not what people who are on waiting lists should be waiting to receive. The Cass report is damning because experimental treatment, with known risks of severe side-effects, was being given as standard treatment AND no data was being collected to assess it's validity, and in fact increasing evidence has been amassed to show harm.

[@davidmrenton]

even the BBC are starting to crack on this madness

[@elizabethdewar6956]

Well said Helen !

[@puffin51]

There needs to be a Royal Commission into the conduct of the NHS regulators AND of the staff at the various clinics, concerning both their administration of dangerous drugs and other dangerous therapies and their obstruction of the Cass review. The therapies were reckless and plainly unethical; but the obstruction was worse. Where proven, professional misconduct charges should result for medical staff, but any person in any office whatsoever who attempted to conceal information should face civil and even criminal charges

[@brigidlasage]

Hope this gets international attention!

[@Spursbloke]

I’m just amazed Britain’s publicly funded broadcaster allowed Helen on to explain common sense sex over gender rationality. Given they also pay “India” Willoughby to spout his drivel as well. Maybe the normies are finally waking up to how harmful the cult of trans activism has been, particularly for children.

[@errin-mp1zy]

Maybe it's because they have been peddling this BS to kids on CBeebies.

[@johannabarry4672]

It's a scandal. It was always clearly scandalous and it is going on in all anglophone countries.

[@Joley964]

If only Helen was the PM 🙏🏻

[@ireallymeanthis2760]

I think I know why the data wasn't forthcoming from adult gender practitioners - there's no evidence to show that their treatment helps anyone, including adults.

[@clairhonnor6211]

It would be exposed as the sexual paraphilia it is

[@bendrix1932]

Thank you for giving Helen a voice.

[@chelseapoet3664]

I'm glad she was on, but please don't pay the licence. It's an absurd mafia-like extortion fee. Would you pay Sainsbury's for the right to shop in any shop?

[@aviolet3981]

Do they not have ads? It’s so weird, do any other countries charge a tv license?

[@eb3222]

@@aviolet3981 Yes, in Germany we do pay license for the public TV.

[@aviolet3981]

@@eb3222 thanks for answering! I appreciate learning something new, I knew about England obviously, but my country has never charged this so it’s weird to me. I spent some time in Düsseldorf about 30 years ago, I guess we never discussed tv!

[@eb3222]

​@@aviolet3981 I think it's good that there are TV channels that are not so strongly influenced by the interests of sponsors/advertisers. The news may be a little "drier", but they are much more neutral and accurate.

[@markrussell3428]

Hopefully we get this fixed BUT the important point is not to look the other way. Where is the judicial accountability. Start with jail and the make sure these quasi-activist masquerading as medical professionals are never aloud anywhere near children. It's time to give David Bell and the other whistleblowers an OBE.

[@royalblue5758]

The BBC interviewing the excellent Helen Joyce regarding the Trans issue is both rare and long overdue. Pity the interviewer was trying to score points and play 'whataboutism' with Helen and not, for one, condemning the scandal of public officials refusing to cooperate with Hilary Cass in the production of this report. The BBC is no longer a credible organisation in my opinion and the sooner the public is free from being forced to pay for it the better. The fact that any public official refused to cooperate with the inquiry should be a matter of immediate suspension and disciplinary investigation. If these investigations identify that individuals have acted in accordance with acquired ideological bias instead of their professional codes of practice then reporting to their professional bodies should follow. If there is more egregious evidence of activities suggesting malfacitiousness , then consideration of criminal investigation should be started. It will be an interesting test to see if action is taken against individuals in this way or the NHS prove itself complicit in this scandal by taking no action. I will not hold my breath. Well done Helen, who handled the interview very well.

[@BasicAngel2266]

They also interviewed a young trans person who is very very happy with their transition. I wonder how happy they'll still be in 10 or 20 years' time...

[@civiliseddisobedience3096]

Hats off to Helen Joyce. Human beings are sunject to delusions and collective ones are the worst.

[@earthsmoke9450]

It defies comprehension that anyone would feel they need to “push back a bit” on this subject now, after Cass. When someone feels they need to push back against objective truth and objective reality they aren’t being “impartial” they’re a propagandist and an ideologue.

[@GreenWhitePurple]

The next inquiry should be into every NHS service that tried to thwart Cass’s review.

[@maryskelcher8979]

There's hardly any coverage of this by the BBC. It should be headlines on every news and current affairs programme

[@purpledahlia1969]

That's because the BBC has long since been captured by this ideology.

[@tomsnak1]

BBC 5 Live, BBC Radio 4, BBC Website, BBC News X (Twitter) account…

[@errin-mp1zy]

Have they even mentioned the Wpath files yet.

[@tomsnak1]

@@errin-mp1zyNo idea. I really don’t have a dog in this fight, it’s just there there were loads of people in the comments saying this Cass report story wouldn’t be run anywhere else on the BBC when it was on multiple BBC outlets. That’s the only thing I was pointing out.

[@themachinestops23]

Whilst the BBC has been complicit in this scandal, at last they have the guts to start talking about this. No one else is doing it. The media silence on the Cass review has been deafening, across all mainstream platforms, left and right. The BBC news website had it top story today. I saw that and felt it was the beginning of a return to sanity, and I even feel a sense of relief that the BBC has, to a certain extent, led the way in this. In fact, the UK in general seems to be ahead of the rest of the Anglosphere in this. I hope more organisations follow and put this story front and centre. And this is massive, massive vindication for those who have led the fight, especially Graham Linehan who is owed a massive, massive grovelling apology by BBC Newsnight for the disgraceful hatchet job they did on him.

[@lellytalks4296]

Why does it not surprise me that a BBC journalist is ignorant to ALL the very recent evidence and papers that highlight the harm of "treatment" given that the BBC were shockingly silent in their reporting of it. As for that comment from the parent, of course parents should act as all they list. That's quite literally the role of a parent. Perhaps that parent should spend more time in reaffirming the fact that gender stereotypes do not make you male or female opposed to affirming their child's delusions.

[@FormulaProg]

All these women are incredible.

[@TonyLing]

Thanks Helen

[@HellCatt0770]

This really should have been on BBC1. Helen laid out the facts and reality of the situation so clearly I can’t see how anyone could support ‘transitioning’ of a child or young adult. It should be a crime.

[@suninaries571]

Thank you Helen x

[@KarenWright-hw7bx]

At last. Helen Joyce speaking about this issue on the BBC.

[@awb17a96]

At last reality is realised.

[@tiredgardener]

The back peddling is going to be colossal!

[@gabychats]

Thankyou for your hard fight Helen. It’s not over but it feels like the tide is turning.

[@buddyneher9359]

I notice the interviewer didn't even bother to use the updated title of Helen's book. She didn't bother to correct him because she had bigger fish to fry (as it were, in a mixed metaphor) but that seems telling to me.

[@gubbins1933]

About bloody time BBC.

[@enzowilson345]

Spectacular as usual 👍

[@liberality]

The people who start sentences with "As a parent of a trans..." will be the very last to admit that harm was done, if ever.

[@washbelly]

I thought Jimmy Saville's ghost was in charge at the NHS.

[@Pigletpronto]

😂😢

[@stevenbrady440]

They refused to cooperate with a long-term study… because they already knew what the results would be. Or thought they knew.

[@ftlpopeepopltf541]

It would not matter what the issue is - a public service refusing to provide information to the government would suggest prima facia gross misconduct. Straight forward disciplinaries should have been instigated long ago.

[@pollyparrot9447]

Who could possibly have guessed that interfering with the normal development of a child's normal healthy body without solid evidence that such interference would be beneficial might be a problem?

[@korneyhebi5287]

Transgender identity is alive and kicking in the NHS. I’ve just had an email from my NHS employer to say our new name badges have been sent back as they don’t contain our preferred pronouns which the majority in our department voted for. I did not vote to have pronouns on mine but apparently it was a majority decision.

[@kathyirwin]

Those pronouns are such bull. I left a volunteer position as I was being referred to as 'they'.

[@GreenWhitePurple]

I wonder if the majority really did vote for that.

[@pixie3458]

Complete lunacy, especially when how you do your work is nothing to do with your sex

[@carogriffiths2437]

Long overdue debate it’s about time the BBC considered both sides of the discussion and stopped using words like toxic and transphobia - detransitioners have very powerful stories to tell - Panorama should take note!!

[@elderoidwicked]

Helen's the best!

[@50madam]

Chapeau Helen Joyce!

[@nicolabaker551]

Trans ideology and GIDS, the Post Office - how much more corruption and self-interest do we have to tolerate in public life?