Cassettes: Lenticular Classics & Endless Loops

A look at some cassette related things I've picked up recently.
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[@rarbiart]

the gap is pretty much unavoidable if you stick with this type of recorder: The erase head a distance of at least 2 cm to the recording head. Since the tape advances with 4,something cm/s, you will end up with a pause of 1/2 second. Unless you erase the tape first and then disable the erasing on the recording turn.

[@burkezillar]

I love how you've picked someone from t'Yorkshire as t'Internet t'troll. Very clever and subtle, love it!

[@flatfingertuning727]

To avoid a significant blank interval when switching off the recorder on previously-recorded material, I think it would be necessary to disconnect the erase head about half a second before stopping the tape, stopping the tape just as the no-longer-erased material would be about to reach the record head.

[@genekwagmyrsingh9433]

2:05 I wore out my Smif-n-Wessun tape several times in the early nineties, so I feel you.

[@themotofixery]

I'm excited for the dash can stuff!

[@StarDustSid]

Interesting. I believe the Sinclair Microdrive cartridges worked the same way. Good video, thanks.

[@TheKing0fSting]

I was gonna suggest making a video on tape loops as I've recently discovered them but it looks like Techmoan was 4 years ahead

[@bongodoug]

ok, that ending was hilarious!

[@SamT987]

It's time for the puppets to get their own channel!

[@TidNul]

A freakin' Commodore 64-SX! Now that's a portable!

[@MokokerMovies]

Talking about endless tapes, when are we gonna see something like a tape echo machine on your channel? Im lucky that I could buy a dynacord emiment 200 for cheap in working condition. I'm to cheap to send it to you, but I love that machine so much for its simplicity.... VST is a great replacement but real analoge can't be beaten.

[@greenaum]

I dunno, they're studio equipment, Techmoan only does home equipment, far as I've seen.

[@MokokerMovies]

greenaum Oh, well that makes sense thanks for pointing out :)

[@jamiemarchant]

That was fun! Love the puppet part!

[@jkitchentube]

I wonder how short you can actually make the gap on this considering the erase head is slightly before the record head. Also there did appear to be a small period of time between when the song ended and you hit stop on the recorder, though maybe that was B roll :)

[@geoseffr]

can you do a full version of the video the muppet is watching at 8:19

[@ColtGColtG]

best use for these tapes, recording a single Mr Weebl song

[@BaconMinion]

The family that trolls together... ends up in the news for murder-suicide.

[@GRAHAMAUS]

Did you have any problems with the endless loop cassette in different decks? Many decks auto-stop when they detect that the undriven (supply) reel is not rotating but the take-up reel is, on the assumption that the tape has either snapped or come to the end.

[@ditarf85]

I just came here for the daddy puppet. LOL.

[@Kuprichard]

I remember the endless tape in the answer phone

[@kubastachu9860]

well now you can have Epic sax guy unlimitedhrs.... on tape

[@BigGuyReview]

LMAO...If you ever get tired of fiddling around with techno gadgets you can always start another channel called the Technoman's family chronicles..LOL that was cute Matt. -John

[@luisinoomar9646]

excelent show!!!!!!!!!!

[@lmiddleman]

Those 'unfunny' skits are effing brilliant.

[@ehurtley]

The complaints about them are even funnier!

[@rimmersbryggeri]

Nice to see that green guy's dad is from yorkshire.

[@BLY99]

He's probably related to Jeremy Clarkson.

[@slamcrank]

Wonder if he heard Clarkson blow his house up recently...

[@AshtonArcher]

I think you'll find it's Lancashire!

[@624radicalham]

I will never be able to reconcile his appearance with his taste in music. This is most definitely my favorite channel.

[@theMansalad]

he's way too interesting to have such terrible taste

[@macabrerapkz]

Yeah, proper hip hop head this one.

[@JaredConnell]

@@theMansalad he just listens to a wide range of music, sorry if its not the exact same things you like

[@theMansalad]

@@JaredConnell you should be

[@jussayinmipeece1069]

I am a 56 yearcold black male from jamaica who loves death metal so....yeah!

[@KarlBaron]

The ending skits never fail to make me laugh, don't let anyone discourage you from including those :D

[@SuperSmashDolls]

I come for the ridiculously impractical audio setups, stay for the KZbin Pedant segments

[@envisionelectronics]

My very first TechMoan video was something about the smallest Discman. Before I got to the skit at the end, I made an incorrect comment about something in the video. After being throughly schooled by the author himself, I could only embarrassingly reply with an apology.

[@sonicdash3818]

+Super Smash Dolls I stay for both

[@YensR]

New muppet yayyyyyyyy :)

[@MasterYoshidino]

Same. Those puppet skits are funny to see. Makes the TechMoan channel have more diversity and entertainment.

[@MrHollywood360]

You should do a video on dynamic range and the "loudness war"

[@MakeSomething]

That Dr. Octagon cassette is CLASSIC! Blue flowers! Oh and that PE cassette also classic but everybody already knows that.

[@TheEPROM9]

Got to love the Muppet internet trolls =-)

[@MidnightMechanic]

The video was way longer than it needed to be, Techmoan owes me wasted data for loading those god awful skits that the end.

[@greenaum]

I'd watch these videos just for the muppets.

[@youngchi7273]

If no one has mentioned it yet, I believe the skip you had at the end of the song was due to the erase head. If you notice, the erase head is an inch or so ahead of the record head. Thus, when you stop the recording, you will have that amount of tape that was erased by the erase head, but had not reached the record head. The only way I can think of getting a total loop is to start with a blank tape and disable the erase head AND time it perfectly, which isn't a real solution.

[@MrBlaq]

LMAO@the Dr. Octagon tape. Could you please do a video on your epic Hip Hop collection?

[@SteelSkin667]

One one hand it would be an interesting video because it looks like he has a lot of them, but one the other he wouldn't really be able to make us listen to it because of content ID and whatnot.

[@MrBlaq]

SteelSkin667 True, but he could post recommended playlists as a work around. If you have Kool Keith in your collection, it tells me that you're a Hip Hop aficionado/historian.

[@demonstructie]

+MrBlaq Agreed, plus if you need to hear the music because the names of the artists and albums mean nothing to you then it probably wouldn't be a particularly interesting video for you in the first place. Do it Mat, I'd be super interested to see your hiphop collection!

[@VanWinger]

We need a channel of just the muppets all the time. Please

[@tim_brooks]

search for "KZbin pedant"

[@Landrew0]

It's a bit of a dig against the critics, but it shows he's reading the comments.

[@HakanKoseoglu]

Subscribed - thanks!

[@borntoclimb7116]

jvan yes

[@ajdhjaoakdn2ndgoogleaccoun929]

*_i N t E r N e T p E d A n T_*

[@Architector_4]

3:33 Wait a second... **GTA:San Andreas flashbacks**

[@BotAurelionSol]

This comment, I was looking for

[@HerecomestheCalavera]

All we had to do was follow the damn train CJ!

[@aeriumsoft]

I-I don't get it.

[@Super_Charged4life]

cant remember what the name of that song is :/

[@gavin6666]

Rebel Without A Pause (I think)

[@emmettturner9452]

The reason it only has one tab and can't record to the other side is because the tape already records to both sides. You can see where it flips on the return to the reel. It's exactly as if you took a loop of 1.5mins of tape, cut it, flipped one side over, and spliced it back together: one continuous 3min loop on 1.5min double-sided tape.

[@Syncopator]

Endless tapes were often used in older answering machines for the outgoing message. For those there was usually a metal piece at the join that would cause the playback to shut off after playing the message one time through. Next incoming call, it would kick it into play again for another cycle.

[@xaenon]

I'm actually surprised he didn't mention that. It was the reason they were originally developed. They were also used in 'storybook' applications (like a child's animated stuffed animal) and some in-store advertising apparatus.

[@Techmoan]

I didn't mention it because these are different tapes to the answer phone ones. They would use silver sensor tape to let the answer machine know when the tape had done a full loop. Without that it would be likely to stop in the wrong place and therefore only play a partial message the next time the message was played.

[@xaenon]

Techmoan Oh, right. I forgot about that....

[@Syncopator]

Techmoan Yeah, that's true, but if you're looking for an endless loop for something other than an answering machine, they worked just fine-- I've used answering machine loop tapes in standard tape decks for that purpose. You do have the short bit of metal that doesn't record any sound, but it's not like you're very likely to get a completely seamless loop anyhow, as Techmoan shows us here in his video...

[@logicone5667]

damn man.. i shouldn't judge a book by its cover! i like dr octagon too and u don't strike me as a dr. octagon fan (but that makes it even more kool, lol.. awesome hiphop choices mang)!!

[@timothyjacques4126]

My phone disconnected from my wifi when the dad said "there must be a tiny insignificant error in this video, you just have to find it" and then I got the KZbin error screen right after and I laughed for a good 15 seconds... These videos really are the best 👏💯

[@qallincha]

"Face de la cassette à ne pas utiliser" = "Side of the cassette not to be used"

[@JacGoudsmit]

I suppose those endless loop tapes would have been cool to record computer programs on, when that Commodore SX-64 was still new. That way you wouldn't have to rewind the tapes all the time. But in those days, I don't remember ever seeing them in the stores in my city (though I knew they existed). Nowadays you can buy anything online... Kids don't know how good they have it! :-)

[@Simufreund309]

Or imagine dealers: Just let the tape play with no need to rewind it or flipping it around.

[@SlyPearTree]

The SX-64 had a disk-drive built-in.

[@videotape2959]

I've seen a ton of those cassettes in old answering machines.

[@toasTr0n]

The Compucolor 8001 actually did use two 8-track tape drives as nonvolatile storage, and those tapes were endless loop. The advantage of using 8-track tapes is that it only takes one mono channel to record a program, and since the mechanism can move the head across the width of the tape to select one of 8 tracks to play, one tape can gives you 8 "randomly accessible" programs with no need to seek through the tape to find them prior to loading. The caveats, though, are that no programs can exceed the tape loop duration and all programs will take the same time to load and reset the mechanism, even if they are very small programs. But you're right; no rewinding! Have a gander: oldcomputers.net/compucolor-8001.html

[@gevmage]

Yeah, that's what I was thinking. I had a two-tape answering machine in college (1991-95). The message tape was a standard cassette, but the greeting tape was an endless loop. It wasn't like this though; it ran the tape across the inside of the cassette body several times. I think it was a 30-second loop, but I think there were 60-second ones too.

[@DAVEMC1000]

Techmoan is an old skool rap fan, who knew ;)

[@jayswarrow1196]

Some say, his Indesit IQ has second set of 18" chrome wheels, for thursday's bling parties.

[@cromagnatron7155]

Those puppets need their own tv show. Absolutely spot on and hilarious.

[@tmcclelland47]

How convenient that you dropped this right when i have lunch. :P

[@jamesbennettmusic]

If a tape is genuine Chomium Dioxide, the tape itself will smell of crayons! This doesn't work with cobalt tapes but it does work with prerecorded chromes on BASF duplication stock.

[@Techmoan]

I have no sense of smell.

[@BeatlesCuber]

+Techmoan doesn't that effect your taste too?

[@ethan043]

For real? How does that affect you in your daily life?

[@copheart]

Not surprising. A lot of people who came of age in the 1980's have lost their sense of smell.

[@Techmoan]

It makes it pretty damn miserable. I'm having another operation on it later this month.

[@HitmanJenkins1]

Those endless tapes are really good for making Ambient/Drone music, especially if you have a 4 track!

[@muh1h1]

Almost missed the comic in the end, that would have been unfortunate!

[@winterzerotwo]

Awesome ending! :D

[@larsschothorst521]

uploaded 2 min ago... comment: 52 min ago ????

[@winterzerotwo]

magic!

[@yandyyay]

+Snoop Doge time travel

[@marcchabotyt]

there IS a muppet show at the end. Yeah. 10:LOL!

[@wildbilltexas]

I hope the quality of these new hip-hop cassettes are better than the tapes made back then. Pre-recorded tapes in the USA in the 70's and 80's were very hit and miss in quality. I have some Columbia and Epic tapes that have developed "sticky tape" syndrome and won't play anymore. Keep up the awesome work with the videos!

[@jouebien]

is any one relay subbed for the dash cams? I'm not going to lie I'm only here for the vintage Hifi.

[@MexieMex]

I'm here for the dash-cams, and the vitage hifi, and the, and the, and the...

[@JoshTatum]

"Just a short video" >11 minutes long

[@ZaneDaMagicPufferDragon]

I love how creative you are with the ending skits!!! I stick around just to see if you bust out your puppets after every single video!!! Keep your amazing and diverse videos coming mate!!! KZbin is full of people who have nothing better to do than bitch and moan about the most bizarre and inane minor stuff, and I love how you used the puppets to mock the TROLLS!!!!

[@nexaentertainment2764]

The retro tech and HiFi videos are my favorite!

[@connorshaw896]

There are few channels that inspire the level of excitement in me when a new video is posted. You have a great thing going and thanks for everything.

[@meowcula]

Thanks! always loving your videos, reminds me of arcane experiments i used to do with hifi components... nevermind, i still do them :)

[@biffisawshome]

Haha, loved the skit at the end, gave me a good laugh! I always wonder where people find the time and desire to go trolling...

[@emanueltomasini9947]

thank you for all your great videos. besides the sony tc-s1 tape deck (which i bought after seeing your video) you got that wonderfull new sony. but why sony again? for that price you would easy got a propper nakamichi tape deck. on tapeheads.net they praise nakamichi, but they never did a dolby-s tape deck. so i'm wondering, is dolby-s realy that important besides other qualities like soundstage etc? or is sony a brand you generally enjoy? regards

[@stevencotton6507]

I still have that PE album on vinyl. Did you start Rebel Without a Pause after the first 'Brothers and Sisters!' or is the tape version different?

[@Techmoan]

It was cued up.

[@BRE3ZYE]

Sweet

[@aaronbrandenburg2441]

@@Techmoan hey techmoan big fan here. But my question actually is know what about the tape format itself. But couldn't help but notice the device above the tape decks and all that with the Nixie tubes. In the furthest 2 to the end we're blinking. It looks to me like some sort of timer or time code read out. What exactly is that is my question. Would like to know it looks cool no matter what the function is. If you see this please comment!!! thanks

[@benvigil5677]

Sweet video. I totally agree. Hip Hop sounds best on tape, blaring out of a ghetto blaster. Public Enemy and Dr. Octagon are great, you have awesome taste!

[@NotATube]

2:55 - "Brothers and sisters!" "PUMP UP THE VOLUME" wock wocka wock "WE GONNA GET YOU!" "Brothers and Sisters!" "PUMP UP THE VOLUME" (Comment edit; My mistake- the sample is actually "You're Gonna Get Yours!" from the Public Enemy song of the same name, not "We Gonna Get You").

[@wisteela]

The more cassette videos the better. Tapeline are a great company. You must do a video on that SX64. Great to see a third Muppet character😊👍

[@muntassernatiq2562]

VHS video please from 80s

[@robertgaines-tulsa]

Lovely. You touched the tape directly with your finger. Tape rule #1: don't touch the tape directly with your bare finger that runs through the head system as grease and oil on your finger could transfer to the tape, and then cause the tape to stick to parts of the head system especially the roller pin and capstan causing the tape to get eaten. I learned that when I was five. Of course, the ends of the tape as in reel-to-reel tape don't count since they don't pass through the head system. It's best to use disposable gloves when repairing tapes. Well, the average person should know that anyway. It probably wouldn't manage that much if your hands were recently washed. It's just unrecommended practice. I'm certain someone already posted about it. At any rate, I get to practice my touch typing skills. I highly recommend that everyone learn how to touch type. It's so much faster. I can't even tell where the keys are without looking. It's like I have magic fingers. That's enough spamming I think for now... :P

[@BlackieNuff]

I would love a more in-depth analysis of how the endless loop cassette works (or even the 8-track, for that matter). It still escapes me how tape can go endlessly, round and round in the same direction on the same hub/spool and never tangle or the likes thereof. I've seen the inside of 8-track tapes, and this cassette offers a transparent shell, but I'm still a little naive on exactly how the "mechanics" of these tapes actually play out. If you have the time, Mr Techmoan, perhaps you could whip up a short video to really examine how these tapes function, for daft blokes like myself, lol. Thanks for all the great videos thus far.

[@OhFishyFish]

I always chuckle at the thought of Techmoan, a respectable middle-aged Englishman with a collection of kitchen gadgets, listening to some gangsta garbage about dealing crack and running away from the cops in Brooklyn.

[@JesusisJesus]

Thumbs up if you saw the words "Endless Tape" and immediately your mind goes "Number 9, Number 9, Number 9, Number 9, Number 9..."

[@EricDykstra]

If i'm not mistaken, that endless cassette applies a twist to the tape so that you can record 3 minutes of audio to a length of tape that would only provide 1.5 on a standard cassette. It's an audio Möbius strip.

[@pierrec1590]

Too bad the industry never got around to coating both sides: we would have the moebius tape, there!

[@Crlarl]

The puppets are amazing! I'd honestly watch a show just about your puppets.

[@GalanDun]

Why is it that cassette-decks work best when they come from the '90s?

[@Techmoan]

In the 90s you could get decks with Dolby S on them...it was the last time they made high quality high end cassette decks.

[@GalanDun]

Techmoan Must be the last time they made high-quality boomboxes too, cus my 1996 one has outlasted three made in the years since 2004. Sounds better too.

[@Bakron97]

it indeed is

[@robertgaines-tulsa]

The technology for the cassette playing mechanisms were the most advanced at that time. Tapes used to get eaten all the time before the late '90s. When the 90s came around, the problem became very rare on the machine during that time. They became very reliable, and I just stopped worrying about the tapes getting eaten. They don't make high end cassette players anymore. What you find today just allows you to listen to them.

[@GamesFromSpace]

Because the early 90s was the period where the technology was the most advanced, and before people expected cassettes to be the bargain-bin option. After that, the technology was available, but only cheap machines were profitable.

[@ChipGuy]

Gotta watch it again, just to the puppets ;) Brilliant!

[@unexplainedphenom81]

Love the videos. Love the Hip Hop albums in all the videos as well. Classic stuff!

[@HunterRodrigez]

i love how he of all people, somebody who kinda looks like a boring high school teacher (no offense), is a fan of 80s and 90s hip hop

[@Estlib]

even your filler videos are interesting

[@tedkustka4948]

Estlib ))(4

[@kayvon_is_likes]

Yes Techmoan, Dr Octagon + Public Enemy

[@rick4electric]

I have an old tape echo machine that uses endless cassettes. Tape echo is old tech but has unique character all its own!

[@digitalmediafan]

Ah I use to make up 3 second loop tapes in my younger days, before all this digital craziness !

[@CoolDudeClem]

Love the retro tech videos. I had no idea endless loop CASSETTES exist!

[@MichaelYates]

Well what can i say , i love your videos , i have pretty gone through the lot now , just been sitting there for a good few nights going through each one. You house must be like a Dixons warehouse , Ahh My Matsui video recorder ! Now about these endless loop tapes , brings back fond memories when i was young i had a toy plastic red tape recorder that had a endless tape in it , just enough to tape one record , wish i knew what it was called , would love to see one again. Anyway Mr Techmoan keep up the good work love it !!

[@yoochoobb]

"ey up! Your 'dad' sounds like he's from Yorkshire. Nice ending sketch there.

Does your Commodore SX64 work?

I think we will find out soon :)

[@zuurbekje3125]

Congratulations on purchasing that beautiful cassette deck! Any chance we'll be seeing a full video on that?

[@Slay1337pl]

Champagne colour? You mean yellowed silver?

[@Techmoan]

No, I mean Champagne, that's what they called it. uk.pinterest.com/pin/352336370828081085/

[@Slay1337pl]

Techmoan I was just joking :D Real talk tho. Doesn't this make color coordinating some setups absolute hell?

[@isavedtheuniverse]

Ah, its a sad state of humanity that its not 100% obvious this was you just joking around. I was planning on getting on the "ugly thumb" bandwagon.

[@Slay1337pl]

David Simmers Well, you can never tell on the internet. There is a professional name for that. Poe's law I think.

[@jasonsong86]

Shampagne was very popular in the 90's.

[@hakemon]

I used these endless loops on answering machine back in the day for the intro tape, and regular tapes for the messages themselves.

[@CB-RADIO-UK]

Nice video Matt. Looking forward to more retro stuff later. Have a nice week fella.

[@hulkhatepunybanner]

At the end some of these videos we get a passive-aggressive Muppet show.

[@KohlaBrooks]

I watch every one of your vids and LOVE your channel - my favourite on all of KZbin. Question: Why do you have such a bee in your bonnet about people criticising your videos? Can't you just ignore the comments? Surely you have worked out most people on the internet are nuffys. Anyway keep up the good work.

[@Techmoan]

It's a comedy skit...poking fun at silly comments. Don't take things so seriously. You seem to have a bee in your bonnet about people making comedy videos poking fun at silly comments. Surely you've worked out that the muppets are being ludricrous.

[@OtterlyInsane]

Can you really only listen to One Direction on the endless loop tapes?

[@OleVanDole]

Absolutely loved that ending, especially the heavy accents!

[@GaminGit]

Omg! I've been watching you for ages and would have never guessed you were a Kool Keith fan!! GG sir!

[@leonpelao4806]

Regarding the endless loop cassette tape, I have some information about its origin and who invented it. Back in the seventies in New York, when I was about fifteen, my father introduced me to a few of these people that went to him seeking technical advice and his drafting experience. My father was tool maker and designer. One of these people was Rogelio. A Colombian that resided in NY. He had a brilliant mind and many ideas. He became a good friend with me and my family. One of the ideas that he was working on was the endless cassette. The application of the endless tape was to be used for continuous messages in advertising in stores, displays, etc. Since I was handy working with plastic, due to my modelmaking hobby, I helped him during the prototype process. During that time there were dozens of dissembled cassette cases all over the work bench while we played with them. At the beginning the tape could not pull smoothly from the reel and jammed. It was not until he came with the idea of making the spool beveled to one side. That made it work. Now, to make the story short, Rogelio sold his idea to this company (I don’t recall which) for a couple of hundred of dollars. That company later manufactured those cassettes for the answering machines market. I had lost contact with my friend Rogelio, but I still remember those times we tinkered together on those cassettes. Tony B. Mechanical Engineering Designer (Retired)

[@it4hoomanz]

As always, a great look into cassettes that kind of break away from the mould. Nice SX-64 as well! Found one at my old job, sadly never got a chance to try it to see if it works. Does your unit power up?

[@degenerateantics7065]

You should have done its a small world

[@Y0Y0Evan]

The ending skit music is from that TEFI cartridge we heard in the Tefifon video XD

[@aidanstenson7063]

where do you find the money for this stuff

[@MokokerMovies]

Those muppets man.... fcing love them. Don't know why u disabled the comments on that second channel those muppets are just fcking awesome. Would watch any video u did with em, how do u even make these mupppets? Im drunk sorrry man... but I love your stuff and HiFi in general!.

[@sayparler]

Wow I've got the exact same cassette deck in gold as well! It was a while ago, when I (re)started to appreciate cassettes again, and it was my first high end deck! As you've said, it's a Japan only model and here we can find the "bigger" brother, the 555ESJ with some minor improvements such as copper plated chassis, double sapphire capstan bearings, audio board with thicker traces, and heavy insulators. Thanks for always uploading interesting contents, cheers from Japan!

[@mrsteamtrains2193]

I personally love the puppet skits

[@WaybackTECH]

Lenticular images are cool. I have the original Tool Aemina CD that has that, and several images inside which you can switch around to see the movement of them, which they got rid of in future (cheaper) versions of the disk. I never would have expected you to be a Public Enemy kind of guy. Your flaw in this video is saying it was about cassettes, when I think this was just an excuse to make another puppet skit :)

[@MartinWillett]

I used an endless loop tape for a musical background to political announcements for elections. I loved my mobile PA system with horn speaker on my car "Attention earthlings, this is your conqueror speaking..." ,😀

[@AdiSneakerFreak]

Another cracking video 👍👍👍

[@wilkes85]

OOOh that continuous loop cassette is really cool! I've been considering experimenting and making one myself, but I didn't know you could get ready made ones. It might come in handy for a variety of things, like if someone has an internet radio show and they want to use them for sounders, ads, etc... it would be a whole lot easier to just use the computer.... but hey, where's the fun in that eh?