Cast vs. Forged Wheels (Comparing EXACT Sizes)

[@mjcmustang]

Unless you have two wheels of the same design, this test is inaccurate. You need the same design for both, one being forged, one being cast to be accurate

[@devenpires2612]

HotMetal524 I was just about to comment that XD

[@RogueCowTurd]

its almost like hes doing a laid back experiment with what he has laying around and not a university thesis

[@oldestries]

And its about cast vs forged wheels. Not about tyres. So no tyres.

[@TinNguyen-rx3mf]

Different tires have different weights too. 2 different wheels. Inaccurate comparison.

[@justiceiscomingsoon]

I think wheels need to be tested - loaded with the same weight, so we can check how strong they are, and the design needs to be the same to compare two wheels of different technology., and then comes comparing wheel weights.

[@shadowcard6923]

you defined a billet style construction, forged is forming the wheel by pressure from a press to make it into the shape progressively, the forge construction directs the grain to handle stress, the cast ends up with a large grain because the grain isn't shrunk by pressure, billet has varying grain typically smaller and in all directions for an overall decent handling of stress but have better overall tolerances.

[@KewlKat]

+Shadowcard, ditto. That's the first thing that I noticed. This guy doesn't have the knowledge of forged vs. gravity cast vs. billet. There are also low-pressure cast wheels, tilt-cast wheels, and then flow-formed versions of both of those types. Tirerack has a great info section about these things.

[@neilbowness6074]

Actually you’ll find that the wheels are produced from a FORGED lump of metal not a CAST lump YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOURE TALKING ABOUT SO DONT CALL OUT UNLESS YOU DO....IDIOT

[@jeepcj7dude]

@@neilbowness6074 you guys are technically both correct. But usually in cost saving measures you take billet piece(forged hot or cold rolled) and heat it and press it into shape again closer to the desired end product followed by machining.

[@shxkn]

You didn't describe forged, you described billet. Forging involves heating and pressing. Hence forging the metal whether it's aluminum or magnesium.

[@Sherman62]

True, and while a billet can be forged, it likely won't have the advantages in grain structure that a more finished forging can. The video does address the advantages of lighter weight wheels in a seat of the pants way though. Not sure if he mentioned the improvement in braking performance, which is just as real as the acceleration improvement.

[@fpamps5805]

The wheel designs are different, so the weight will be different

[@hutch430]

You're confusing billet and forged.

[@thomasdickason3884]

Its the same thing:- In contrast to casting, a forged wheel begins as a solid piece of metal referred to as a “billet”. This billet is then subjected to heat and intense pressure, which compresses the material to form a raw forging. These raw forgings are “forged” into different profiles to allow for the creation of different wheel designs.

[@goddesseddog]

Indeed. His definition of flow form is forged, which is also referred to as flow form by some companies

[@shadowknows3882]

@@thomasdickason3884 No a true billet wheel starts as an aluminum blank which is cnc machined for design, bolt pattern, and offset. That machined center is then mated to a spun outer hoop that is heated to allow the center to be inserted and centered, to two pieces are then welded together. A forged wheel is heated, formed, machined and then attached to the outer hoop by welding, bolts or even rivets. True Billet Wheels are used best for show vehicles only as they are fragile, will bend at the slightest pothole and are expensive to repair. I know this from running Boyd Codington Billets for years.

[@yvetteveras1845]

Different brand of tires, Should anyone follow your advice?

[@copelandart]

Your credibility headed south for me when your definition of "forged" was actually a milled/machined billet. You went totally south when you weighed two different style wheels. I don't know how you could possibly call what you did a "comparison".

[@Tguedes98]

this dipshit doens teven know what he is talking about

[@charlesa2018]

Totally WRONG. You described a BILLET wheel instead of FORGED. Tis is totally inaccurate!

[@motomx69]

I assume your confusing billet wheels with forged wheels???? Also, they're totally different wheels.... so obviously they'll be totally different weights... also. Tyres are not the same weight....

[@stephentan4620]

You need to do some research into the the wheel forging process. You are describing billet wheel manufacturing.

[@davidnam2619]

There is a weight difference between a high pressure casting and a low pressure casting. Even BBS spin casting. So you can't just say a cast wheel will be heavy.

[@mitondo6123]

The weight test was not apples-to-apples. The theory of the difference might be sound, but wheels of the same design should be tested to see the true weight difference. Visually, the second wheel had fewer spokes and wider spaces in between.

[@motoz2play53]

love how well taken care of your Nissan is. so much patience and dedication. nice to see you enjoy it. great condition. the wheels are great. you are on a right way to upgrade your car, after year or two you will not want to sell it ever haha. keep up the good work, love the videos. greetings from Sweden (Nissan Stagea with R34 Skyline front and Lexus GS300 with 2JZ owner and doing all my work on cars myself 23 years old)

[@milanmastracci]

I'm already starting to like it too much ahah Cars keep you away from trouble, until you get behind the wheel 😉

[@luca29metal]

I agree with the window tint! Those wheels look so badass!!!

[@milanmastracci]

Yeah it will make the car suit the wheels more, but I like how the green offsets the black

[@maxapollo1]

how does the chuck of aluminum become a big chunk of aluminum ? is it cast into that shape ?

[@angryitalian3430]

I really appreciate the fact you put the video in the description for me to read so I'm running the video on mute in the background so you get the view credit. Cheers.

[@astyg1216]

Lehrmeister Sport rm-55m, any idea if they are forged or cast?

[@definitionXrp]

Straight up what are the best performance wheels? Cast, forged, or rotary forge?

[@milanmastracci]

Forged without a doubt!

[@bigboycervantes5240]

I have a cuestion i have 18x8.5 42 ofsset . Motegi mr107 . Is cast aluminum . I want to repaint just of aluminum .how can i do. Sanding and then put of cast aluminum paint ?

[@z32_workshop52]

I know this is old, but what was the cost difference, as VMR 701 should be vastly cheaper than a set of Nismo LMGT-4

[@ahlapski]

Man, what you descried is a MACHINED process not a FORGED one. Get your facts right before making a fool of yourself !

[@pikkagtr1942]

you cant compare 2 DIFFERENT wheels it would have to be the same wheel design, same number of spokes, barrel design etc. There are also the same 'spec" wheels as you stated in your description that weigh less than those forged wheels. The main advantage of forged wheels is strength vs. weight not just weight.

[@Fruit_Mann]

What brand shop is that behind you? I am looking for a good shop vac.

[@universewonders1]

Thats a sexy 240 ! Nice job man

[@milanmastracci]

Thanks buddy!! 🤘

[@gedasalekveravicius5466]

Finally someone explained differences!

[@oscarburke5244]

wow..get an education on specs...comparing apples and oranges here since the only fair way to do this comparison is use two exact same designed wheels. Dude everyone is not stupid.

[@berczigabor]

I read " _cats_ vs forged wheels" , and thought: Did kittens scratch his wheels, or what? :)

[@milanmastracci]

LOL I sure hope that doesn't happen ahha

[@crispcarguru303]

which are better low pressure cast or gravity fed/flow formed wheels?

[@KewlKat]

I vote LPC. Gravity fed, even being flow formed, still have their inherent weaknesses. Vertical LPC wheels will create a generally stronger wheel than a gravity cast wheel. Also, many LPC wheels are flow-formed as well.

[@amschind]

It seems like folks are very confused by this. These are racing wheels, and the cast wheel meets his strength and rigidity requirements. Therefore, the benefit of the forged wheel is hitting the same strength and stiffness requirements while using less material to do so. The entire point of using forged aluminum is the ability to use less material, visible as a different wheel design.

[@AUDIDOIT]

Did ride quality improve with the lighter nismo wheels mate? Cheers and thanks for the vid. Keep up the great work.

[@mikayileliyev4905]

Honestly, I did not know about the differences like forged vs cast. So, thank you very much! However here is my question, how to know if the wheels of my car are forged or cast?

[@justiceiscomingsoon]

you can have low pressure cast wheel of the same design, same wheel load capacity, and it can be lighter than forged wheel, so wheels should be compared in a precise matter

[@extrememike]

Good video. Flow formed is what I’m looking

[@comaradelee]

wtf! make a comparison with same wheel. 10 spoke wheel will always be heavier than 5 spoke wheel. duhhh

[@ihaveaname1894]

Heard of volk rays ce28? :D

[@smilecraftdentistry7809]

Milan the car has been progressively transforming ..fantastic work !

[@milanmastracci]

Thanks brother 👊

[@balazsbanhalmi]

In case of the forged Advan GT 18x8.5 compared to the flow formed Advan TC4 wheel of the same size, or a flow formed 18x8.5 Wedssport TC105-X compared to its forged counterpart interestingly weighs the same. So it is also up to the design of the wheel.

[@mrmakapackermcintosh2407]

I noticed those forged wheels where multi fit wouldnt that account for the weight loss compared to the other set that whernt, asking out of curiosity is all, would there still be a weight loss with a non multi fit staggered wheel? And thanks

[@milanmastracci]

The forged wheels look like they have 2 different bolt patterns, but they actually just have open holes between each lug hole. I wouldn't be surprised if it was for weight reduction, but these wheels are only 5x114.3. The holes however will account for a small weight loss, but not a near 10 pounds per wheel.

[@DarkStarX]

Thank you that was incredibly helpful and simplistically said. Which worked really well for me. 👍🏻

[@adyzanahmad8565]

Please use same pattern for rim to compare the weight... Just like tc105x with te37... There's a different about 1.5kg for this 2 type rims with flow forming process...

[@tsykal78]

Comparing apple with oranges. I guess the important thing to realize is that the forged comes out stronger, and therefore you don't need the same amount of mass for it to be strong and meet the specs. On the other hand with the cast you must retain thickness to meet the specs, and therefore it has to come heavier.

[@oneBIGMAC2go]

Do you have any recommendations for the best flashlight for working under the dash/steering wheel? Need to replace a flasher relay but I can't point a standard flashlight upwards without it falling over. I guess I could us those headband flashlights.

[@milanmastracci]

Its a bit on the expensive side, but is WELL WORTH the investment. I have 2 of them because they're so handy!! amzn.to/2jwAimu

[@oneBIGMAC2go]

Thank you!

[@caymandiver75]

Anyone know if Forged Aluminum wheels can be safely widened?

[@iPACKgoldDOTS]

Everyone's always talking about unsprung weight. Wheels are additionally a reduction in rotating mass playing a much larger roll in power delivery than just a general weight reduction.

[@GTiR23]

Lose the black pin stripe down the sides, or is it just a shadow? Definitely looks like a pin stripe in the garage? But looks like a shadow outside?

[@justiceiscomingsoon]

I think wheels need to be tested - loaded with the same weight, so we can check how strong they are, and the design needs to be the same to compare two wheels of different technology, and then comes comparing wheel weights.

[@richardsmith9509]

You completely missed the manufacturing difference....TOTALLY

[@dimitricekrezi9654]

Wow the 240 looks savage. Love it!!

[@kristiankyllingmark4552]

true

Well done buddy ! Very nicely explained !

[@maxnix346]

Finally someone who somewhat understands wheels. The VMR are gravity cast, not low pressure cast or roll forged on the rim. It is heavy and weak, but cheap. Your description of a forged wheel is in fact a CNC machined wheel. Unless the block ingot is forged, it is still a cast wheel in grain structure and strength. A true forged wheel is metal that is put under tons of pressure in a press, then machined to present a finished wheel to any further cosmetic enhancements. It is strong, light,more durable and thus expensive, Might view some BBS videos to see how wheels are actually forged. Rays Engineering makes excellent forged wheels.

[@kd2quick]

Also note the usual higher load rating of the forged over the cast.

[@runm4n]

window tinting video incoming?

[@milanmastracci]

I hope :) but I feel I have other stuff to do first

[@392dan4]

Looks good man 👍👍

[@milanmastracci]

Thanks Danny!!

[@kristiankyllingmark4552]

are u gonna paint the 240sx?

[@kristiankyllingmark4552]

hell yeah tint the windows

[@milanmastracci]

I really want to!! Respray the same colour it is, and then if I get tired of it, I'll wrap it, but I want to address the little rust found on the fenders

[@kristiankyllingmark4552]

just do it!!! if the 240sx was my car i would have gone for a black/dark colour. but thats my opinion

[@hkn_r34]

Tinted headlights along with an OEM lip looks so good, hope you consider it!

[@ejdomingo3737]

Using different wheels is fine if you are only considering the effects of the weight to the performance. For me where I believe you are vague is the difference between unsprung mass effects and rotational mass effects. The effects are distinct from each other.

[@connordunckel6905]

I have two sets of wheels for my wrx one are 26.6 pounds per wheel and the other are 18.2 pretty sure they're both cast as one was stock and the others weren't expensive. Both same exact size but I have yet to feel any difference

[@milanmastracci]

Are you running the same weight tires? The most noticeable time that I find the difference is when I break traction, especially in a RWD car. The lighter wheel will allow you to spin at a lower RPM since there is less rotational mass to be spun.

[@connordunckel6905]

@@milanmastracci yes Michelin pilot sport 3 as so between those and the all wheel drive I have trouble losing traction outside of cornering at like 80+ mph. But I have noticed it doesn't lug nearly as easy gas mileage hasn't changed at all but that could be driving style

[@mikeinnovationgraphicswrap3763]

Very cool, thank you for the info. I just picked up a set of TSW Tanaka 18x8 and 18x9 forged wheels that look a lot like your NISMO set and had no idea what I got until I watched your video. Thanks again 👍💪

[@charleshall9755]

You mentioned the weight of cast and forged but not flow forged. I'm looking at getting some flow forged 1Le wheels for my 2011 SS Camaro but if they aren't much lighter than stock I won't be interested in wasting my money.

[@no_labeling]

Nice looking car. Keep pushing out this great content. Still waiting for updates on the mini.

[@milanmastracci]

Thanks man!! 👍 gonna have one up soon

[@Hector55Munoz]

My forged wheels with tires would weigh about 68lbs. But they're very wide 19x12 335/30 on C4 Corvette with loads of torque... amazes me how light these little cars have it. Makes me want to get a little car 🔥

[@marvinrestua3426]

Link for the Camry scale please 👍🏻

[@paulwharton1850]

Excellent - I learnt a lot.

[@volcom84bait]

Im confuse.. so my ar15 forged upper and lower reciever are much cheaper than milled reciever... i though forging/ casting the same... anybody??

[@1truzilla458]

Ive got lmgt4’s on my Skyline. They are stupid light. I’m now switching to a 6 piston big brake because the nismos have a lot of extra clearance.

[@milanmastracci]

That's awesome man!! I love these wheels 👍

[@mikea5205]

I'm rolling on some semi-forged wheels that are 18x7.5 +45 @ 18 lbs. My stock wheels were cast 18x7.5 +47 @ 29 lbs!! Made a huge difference in how my Si drove. They were $900 for all 4 wheels. For comparisons sake, fully forged Volk wheels at this size were 16 lbs for $3,000. I wasn't trying to save an extra 2 lbs for $2,100. Basically, semi-forged wheels are a much better bargain.

[@mrklimczyk]

Forged wheels will be a great idea for mustang. I love getting it sideways and squealing the tires! If you say that forged wheels can increase the chance of a car getting sideways(and tested that too), im all for that! Also does anyone know what kind of forged rims would look good on my 95 mustang gt convertible that are forged? Currently running 03/04 cobra wheels.

[@MotoMedicine904]

10lbs at each corner should make a nice difference in acceleration. 10lbs per corner is close to 180+ lbs of static weight

[@gedasalekveravicius5466]

Why you changed your pic?

[@darren4635]

get and 2 identical designs in cast and forged then weigh them without tyres on them if you want an accurate comparison

[@z7eightball]

Rotational mass reduction is what helps with the performance not so much sprung weight.

[@Kiekerr]

Looks so much better (:

[@almautos2533]

Wrap or dip your wing mirrors black

[@milanmastracci]

I'll get around to doing that when I get the tint. Right now, I think it would look out of place

[@marcelinospeelman5528]

Milan I know it's winter but that doesn't mean you shouldn't shave. Thought I clicked on the wrong video lol.

[@milanmastracci]

LOL it will be parting ways with me soon, the end of november is here

[@stevenphillips863]

Love the new look!!

[@milanmastracci]

Thanks brother 👊

[@douguyehata7062]

What you call a forged is a billet wheel.

[@KewlKat]

+1

[@anthonymartinez4780]

I'm not an import type of guy, nothing like the rumble of a V8, but you have a very beautiful vehicle and everyone can tell it is treated well.

[@jcsdesign]

You look very young but very knowledgeable! I was looking for things to disagree with you but I can't. Although there is definite weight differences between cast and forged, you cannot forget that the design (spoke) of the wheel has to do with the difference in weight as well. There is obvious less material in a wheel design that is simpler or less complex thus less weight.

[@DjStiv3]

Left also has more spokes here. Granted theyre a tas thinner but uh theres more metal/aluminum on the left by the looks of it. Id like to see 2 of the EXACT same wheel with same tires and psi and THEN weighed.

[@tomsparks3259]

You are confused. There are cast, forged, and "billet" or machined. Cast is more or less as you describe. Machined is what you are calling forged. Forged is taking a piece of metal, heating it up, and pressing it into a die in one way or another. Rotary forming is similar to forging in that it gets heated, but it is turned while a forming roller shapes the wheel sometimes against a die.

[@RTShahdirty]

thanks for the lesson.

[@alfredocarreno575]

You should have done it with the same type of rims so you could have compared it better one forged and one cast but the same ste cause that one have a lot more spokes than the forged take that in count

[@ruilima07]

Very informative. Thanks Ps: any suggestion for a Subaru outback 2011, need to reduce fuel consumption...

[@therealjoshtodd]

ehhhhhh. sure forged wheels are lighter, but your specific comparison is a little misleading. that cast wheel looks like it's got a lot more metal. the spokes are a little thinner, but there are far more of them. might be hard to do, but to do a real comparison, you need to get the exact same wheel. to get at least a somewhat accurate comparison, you need to get wheels that are very similar, which is not hard to do.

[@DeeJayAmuze]

im loving this build! & i agree tinted windows & maybe a lip kit on the car would look awesome!

[@mrklimczyk]

I would love to see tint on the 240! Tint makes anything look cool on pretty much any car.

[@totljag1]

Good info ! Thanks

[@anomamos9095]

Forging an alloy wheel is take a lump of billet heating it to near melting point and using a hydraulic ram to press it into a mould. The process is similar to extrusion but the temperature is lower and the force greater. The the plug has been shaped and quenched it is then machined into the final shape. What he described is a billet machined wheel which is stronger than a cast wheel but weaker than a forged wheel.

[@tonytober]

3:59 did you mean the opposite?

[@milanmastracci]

I meant unsprung weight. Thanks for the save 😊

[@Billy123bobzzz]

This is an incorrect description of a forged wheel, which does everyone a disservice nd does not actually explain why the forged wheel is better.

[@JesusIsGod222]

good job man very informative video . you earned a subscriber . !

[@milanmastracci]

Thanks brother!! 🤘 Welcome to the channel

[@synergy021]

You compared weight difference with two different rims. That doesn't make any sense whatsoever. As Yoda would say, this is not the video I was looking for. I thought it was going to show strength difference of the same mass of aluminum, cast vs forged, or maybe density difference between cast and forged, or something scientific at least.

[@ethanhunt2737]

Forging is done with heat and stamping. You are describing a billet wheel.

[@xrperfect9198]

Any future lamborghini owners here??

[@milanmastracci]

Oh I hope so lol

[@-pschar4290]

U going to put XRs on your new lambo?

[@moNYTx]

Holy shit it looks so good!

[@milanmastracci]

They look 💣

[@swansmeister]

sweet car, can't wait to see some mods on it done

[@redlinenissan372]

Those black wheel compliment the car better 👍

[@milanmastracci]

Couldn't agree with you more buddy!!

[@johnlacambra6004]

We gotta fast and furious guy over here.

[@jeffsloane8628]

Not a description of a forged wheel at all.

[@giovannirestrepo7385]

Thanks for the informative in service it was something that got more clear. I'm thinking of getting some forged wheels & carbon fiber drive shaft for my 2017 mustang gt.

[@stan4raptors]

New rims look much better!

[@milanmastracci]

Couldn't agree with you more!!