Castle Super Beast Clips: Math Doesn't Matter

[@axelskull]

naked homeless man with broken beer bottle strongest being in the universe

[@StellaStarfall]

axelskull “Leave Jiren to me” says Hobo Man!

[@JaydedWun]

is this rust?

[@Abdega]

*FLORIDA MAN* joins the battle!

[@kaarpiv375]

Boxcar Joe's fallen on hard times.

[@spankminister]

So Cody from Final Fight

[@ignaeon]

"there is no level beyond this" Pat should be more careful what he dares invoke

[@psychospeech6189]

Crazy Talk is too scary

[@StellaStarfall]

ignaeon I never thought I would be legitimately frightened of Pat saying this shit, until I learned of CRAZY TALK.

[@cheekyfantasy1314]

STANDO POWAH

[@attackofthecopyrightbots]

im just waiting for "a game more bugged than 76 has been released"

[@bluerose5071]

And now here we are, a year later. Even Anthem wasn't removed from PSN like Cyberpunk. Goddamn you, Crazy Talk.

[@bleepbloop5598]

Woolie: "The videogame doesn't, it doesn't videogame."

[@Житинеможливо]

"How do you 'hold my beer' Fallout 76?"

[@zaphero5518]

"It's created a new form of beer to hold." "Hold my keg." "Yeah... Javelin's can hold real big kegs-" "Yep" "-cause they're strong."

[@MarbleVirus]

Woolie: This is the master botch. No woolie, this is the bone of my bug, unknown to tests, nor known to loot. And so, as I pray, *Unlimited Botch Works*

[@Arassar]

Well played, sir.

[@francescolombardi3438]

i have botched over a thousand shlooters. yet those shlooters will never botch anything

[@jorgamund07]

Remember when your high school math teacher said "don't ask me when you'll ever use this outside of school, you WILL eventually need math as an adult"? Thanks, EA, for justifying the warnings of high school teachers everywhere. Great public service.

[@generalpenny]

"The peak of game design is reverse game design." -Electronic fArts

[@6packproductions710]

How does it get worse than crashing your console? Next the game probably emits a signal when running that kills all birds within two kilometers.

[@ngmajora6986]

Or worse the game kills you instantly

[@AmericanNEET8644]

Or even worse makes you shit your pants and exposes your balls simultaneously on stream!

[@Novamatter]

It forces you to play omikron thirty times 100%.

[@SoaringLettuce]

@@ngmajora6986 hand with a gun comes out of the console or PC Enigma-style.

[@SomethingMoreOriginal]

That's an improvement from the current game, though?

[@felicia9567]

Anthem feels like all of EA’s bad karma coming back on it.

[@TheJamacaneseNerd04231996]

I was, and will probably continue to be, disappointed by Apex's battle pass

[@DeusAequus]

I mean it has done over 100 million dollars already, yeah it is a nightmare product but it really isn't seeming to hurt them.

[@ShadowWolfRising]

@@DeusAequus It's meant to be a 'Game as a Service' game though, intital sales aren't meant to be the majority of it's profits. It's long term profits are the majority.

[@theprofesionalist7927]

I think that it would be possible for Pat to use crazy talk to bankrupt EA. He could just keep saying that they've learned their lesson with each game so that their sales will get worse and worse. One of two things could happen; they could go bankrupt or they could learn their lesson and stop buying out smaller companies in order to drain the talent out of them for a quick buck.

[@DeusAequus]

@@ShadowWolfRising that's true but it doesn't make "they already have 100 million dollars" wrong, like that is revenue not profit and who knows how much they have spent so far, but initial sales that high is already a successful release by any margin.

[@lifeiscrap103]

You take your 33 and one-third Power Level, and compare that to my 66 and two-third Power Level because I am the Naked Freak means you don't have a chance of beating me at Sacrifice! The numbers don't lie and they spell disaster for this game.

[@jonmkl]

God-tier comment 😂

[@francescolombardi3438]

Your chances of surviving. DRASTICALLY GO DOWN!

[@YumyChocEclare]

If I said it once I’ll say it again Crazy Talk is the most broken stand of all time

[@StellaStarfall]

ChocEclare It is legitimately frightening.

[@treshaw4122]

This is literally amazing, millions of dollars developing pointlessness is the perfect macrocosm of the AAA game industry. They had to know they were marketing to the same demographic that debunked Destiny's XP throttling by measuring pixels on a screen. Also depraved being the good build is the best. Lol

[@StellaStarfall]

Tre Shaw I can’t believe they thought nobody would notice. Even DESTINY, where it should’ve been impossible, got its tea kicked off the shelf and spelled everywhere. Why did EA think nobody would notice they fucked up EVERYTHING from top to bottom?!

[@marcellosilva9286]

"Developing pointlessness" is really good, thanks man.

[@RedCaesar97]

As a Mass Effect fan, I used to joke about "BioWare Math" with how they calculated some number values in those games, but this was some next-level crazy.

[@LilAnonomus]

Who would win? Virgin Player with full set of level 50 gear Vs the Chad Player with the unobtainium kneepad given at the start of the game

[@SteelBallRun1890]

EA: Math was never an option. So has anyone finished digging that Bioware hole yet or are we just gonna throw them in a ditch?

[@6packproductions710]

I am considering buying Icewind Dale to pretend Bioware still makes good looting games.

[@Bone8380]

As a testament to how huge of a blunder this game was, we should build a big hill of dirt and put Biowares corpse on top of it.

[@Kharneth_Korn]

We got a perfectly fine Woolie hole to use, we don't need to dig a hole.

[@scruggs6633]

@@Bone8380 Build a pile of dirt, set the corpse on top, and set a nearby pile of sticks on fire lol

[@Sir_Saki]

Turn it into mulch for your lawn. Best use of its otherwise worthless thing.

[@Egalia_1]

RESET THE CLOCK I love Anthem as a joke more than I could ever love it as a game

[@pocketlint60]

"There's just no game." - Woolie

[@jackpollard550]

I could not help but burst out laughing once Woolie’s face started to change, and understanding washed over him at around the halfway mark. Me too, Woolie. Me too.

[@helloimtom100]

I love when Pat explains how fucked a situation is. He is so good at it and he loves it.

[@Sincroix]

This is Tom it fuels his life energy

[@TechTurtle7]

Anthem: the game about nothing *Seinfeld theme plays*

[@YummyNukes]

It was too fractured to be called a game... broken, busted, buggy and far too lame Indeed, it was a heap of raw garbage.

[@Wazzen563]

Thing is, Dragonslayer is beautiful in spite of (or because of?) its' absurdity. Anthem is just... ouch.

[@YummyNukes]

@@Wazzen563 i don't know man the enormity of anthem's absurd failure is pretty beautiful in it's own right, to me at least

[@Yal_Rathol]

@@YummyNukes beautiful, in the same way that oppenheimer watching the atom bomb fall was beautiful.

[@rigelseybert9406]

Anthem is an insult to game design as an art form

[@dio_tr970]

For a moment there in the thumbnail i thought "Damn, Woolie is throwing Mad Shade" but alas I was wrong.

[@MrJaviCusi]

Dio_TR same

[@dreziv]

I thought it said "Meth doesn't matter" and I didn't remember any stories about Florida Man this week

[@Alma24177]

Never before the letter ''H'' was so important in woole's life!!!

[@TheStrxggler]

Anthem. Not even once.

[@Adriangabs]

BioWare should hire Scott Steiner to fix the math for them

[@MathiasAblazed]

Underrated joke

[@TheRealSplitterguy]

The worst part is his math would actually be a serious improvement.

[@Carnagevenomtoxin]

But what happens when you throw Kurt Angle into the mix

[@Adriangabs]

Even Kurt Angle KNOWS that Anthem is no match for the other Shlooters

[@NaderinZim]

@@Carnagevenomtoxin Simple,you chances of being a good company DRASTICALLY GO DOWN! You see,normally on a "worse game" competition with another company,EA has a 50/50 chance of being worse.But EA is a genetic freak,and it's not normal.And Betheda KNOWS it can't beat EA,and it's not even gonna try (well,they did).

[@WonderGamer101]

Hey, this is actually inexcusable. Too bad no one at EA or Bioware will give a shit about it because it sold good enough.

[@JoeyHellman]

Good enough is not enough for EA

[@WonderGamer101]

@@JoeyHellman Honestly, that's what I'm expecting with those layoffs coming soon.

[@Eddman368]

considering Deadspace 2, financially was a disastrous failure according to EA, I can't imagine what they think of Anthem.

[@KrystineChristenson]

I was going to say someone at bioware probably cares, but then I realized they probably don't work there anymore

[@IronicHavoc]

It didn't sell well enough, and they are planning to fix it supposedly. It doesn't seem like they intend to deal with the core problem any time soon though, just make it less blatant.

[@SorryIBlackedOut]

I wonder if that dude who named his son Dante listens to this after praising this game.

[@danherondraws]

when a company makes Math into a liar! Terrible day! D= At least Pat is still rocking that rocking chair. Just look at him go!

[@tychoazrephet3794]

Only EA. Only EA could ruin a game concept that is literally just: "get the big number" all ya had to do, was give people loot that had big numbers attached, and ya couldn't even do that right. To quote Benny, the game was rigged from the start.

[@Aeonknight87]

EA wants a game that will keep you hooked and (hopefully) buying dlc for it. This? The game is pointless from second 1, the antithesis of their money making scheme. This is BioWare. the same BioWare that put out Aliens Colonial Marines. Fuck em both.

[@4Wilko]

BioWare never touched Aliens Colonial Marines. You mean Gearbox?

[@swagtasticpanda]

It's been a solid month of anthem shitting the bed in games news. Even if it improves along bioware's 6 month "roadmap" will anyone with an interest in schlooters give a damn?

[@ps3kiryu409]

Probably not because I have a sneaking suspicion that Borderlands 3 will be out by the time Anthem gets around to fixing its shit.

[@kingofbel6499]

THEY'RE MASTER WORKS ALL, YOU CANT GO WRONG! Sorry...had to get it out of my chest.

[@4Wilko]

I think of that every time they say it.

[@DangerDoom9000]

Its Scott Steiner math. SENIOR JOE As you can see the numbers dont lie and they spell 1715457E2 for anthem

[@nerdinthebackroom]

0:54 I love this moment so much cuz it says so much about how long they have known each other.

[@armyoverlord17]

i read the title as matt doesn't matter for a moment

[@dbritton987]

Lol def did a double take! I got excited cause I thought we were gonna get some answers! Oh well, always enjoy seeing pat and Woolie 👍

[@pie1056]

Watching this really makes me wish Woolie and Pat were somehow doing QA for Anthem and had to explain to their boss why they weren't using any loot because they were being efficient and not lazy about their job.

[@toko099o]

I love that this does not even mention the damage caps that nearly everything you fight in the game has, granted damage caps are just another symptom of the same issue, but I find that limiting how big a number can go up in a game about number going up is just funny to me.

[@repththemant9691]

How in the actual hell did Bioware pull this off, this is amazing

[@Shikam187]

Long live Castle Super Beast

[@williejones6446]

4:40 any programmers who listening to this going "HOLY SHIT THATS A PROLLEM!!!"

[@zoogzinnizgooz542]

I'm reminded of oblivion, raiding the daedric realm with just my loincloth and greatsword.

[@VanTesla]

Been a long time since I played, but the difference in Oblivion is that enemies just leveled as you did. So if one levels to much and ignores everything else like armor and weapons, then you can completely wall yourself off from continuing. So in mathematical logic the system in Oblivion is actually better than Anthem... Still that system in Oblivion and FF8 is terrible since it punishes for grinding or leveling to much. That and if I recall and this is even a slight issue in Skyrim is you can level to a point that maxed equipment can't keep up with the enemies growing health pool. In Skyrim I believe there are a few side DLC bosses that go off your level so if you are to high you will likely just not be able to kill them. To some extent though going minimum/base level and just boosting gear gives you end game similar god like I end you moments. I remember a FF8 playthrough where I fought nothing, but what was necessary for upgrades and all the end game bosses where around level 10 while I used limit breaks that deleted them in one turn usually.

[@moonmannd7501]

9:55 EA has unwittingly created the One Punch Man of lootershooters.

[@BottleWaterson]

Grade A stalling from the Super Beasts

[@MrSupernatural115]

Pat- there is no level beyond this crazy talk lie in wait

[@patrickyoung7101]

I absolutely love this convo because it shows the bond between our two dads here. Keep it up guys!

[@ARMIV4]

"There is no level beyond this" But then there *was* ...

[@tylergregoire1763]

I agreed with the title before I remembered the topic.

[@JAKX091]

I totally understand everything within this video...

[@Saneek0215]

*listening and nodding thoughtfully*

[@princepurple3814]

I tried grandmaster lvl 1 once on the first dungeon, with my storm. I had my best two masterwork guns, avenging herald and one semi auto rifle that did lightning damge sometimes whatever whocares it was trash compared to the avenging herald that did 3x damage when I hovered which made the game easy mode on normal or hard difficulty. other than my weapons, my kit was all purple, max lvl, feeling good. I joined randoms for a run on grandmaster for the first time. Guys flew down, we flew out to the first fight, I hovered to start in on the turrent bc I usually shred them in like half of a clip. My first shot did 1/15th or like 1/20th of its health bar. I thought, "fine I do low damage but if we work as a team-" one shot from the turrent takes out 89% of my shield and health bar so im in the red, next shot from an enemy downs me. I look up two team mates are down, guy tries to revive he gets downed in, like, a second. So I said eff this and quit out. I never, ever do that in an mmo, btw, it was just obvious it would've taken us hours to get through the first fight. So I gave up.

[@ReachStudioPro]

Satisfaction to the maximum.

[@agoodboy1404]

*satisfy*

[@devo8597]

Does this mean that we can call Anthem the Un-Game?

[@darrianweathington1923]

ARMOR CLASS ZERO!!! we finally found it

[@warzone822]

So if I buy the game and start it I'm now a top player? Shit the micro transactions were optional

[@PersephoneStars]

Technically yes. If the game does not count your stats values and just gives you the max output damage. Yes.

[@TMJBtv]

I totally read the title as Matt doesn't matter

[@ShayneRawls]

I wonder what insider knowledge Pat has that leads him to believe it's been in development for longer. Hmmmm

[@psychospeech6189]

Because when you look at it you can see the dead body of several builds. It feels like they made two games then scrapped it and started over

[@Bukkarooo]

That's actually what I was wondering. I don't really know what they're alluding to, and they don't really touch it again in the full podcast. Anyone able to give some context?

[@Gryph00]

@@Bukkarooo Judging on how EA's penchant is to hop on aboard the train the second it starts rolling for maximum profit, and looking at the inner workings / style / gameplay of Anthem, I'd assume the "original" game began in 2011, possibly earlier. Right around when Diablo 3 came out [2011/2012], and EA saw that and said "We need this. Get someone good." and in comes Bioware who has absolutely ZERO idea how to make something like that, as they were finishing up ME3 [2012]. I'll put money down, that's where it began, THEN one year later, Warframe comes out [2013], EA sees blood in the water, and then one year later, cue Destiny [2014]and now "everything about this game must change." I fully agree with Pat, I bet there were 2 Anthems. And the core stuff designed for a potential Diablo / ME3 / Warframe built hybrid system, was scrapped for "Destiny For EA" and they said "EH. Fuck it, copy and paste." and just plugged into a lightlevel with no regard for what it'd do to the system. I'd say "Anthem" was a whiteboard idea that started in 2011, and officially began in 2012. So probably around 10 years.

[@Filhote_deDisgrassa]

oh it says math

[@JackSmith-cp6uq]

It's like someone put a band aid over the grand canyon

[@evancoveney6268]

I misread this as "Matt doesn't matter", and clicked on it for some spicy hot takes.

[@thelastmelon6875]

14:31 "WHAT. WAS THAT SOUND! EXPLAIN"

[@attackofthecopyrightbots]

9:24 "it just works"

[@lapisgerentis6337]

11:10 Crazy Talk Activates. Now we wait for the events caused to be broadcasted.

[@AncelDeLambert]

Jesus fuck, how did I miss this during the stream, this is insane. Bioware, baby, I know you had no choice but what is you doing?

[@Foostini]

This iteration of Anthem may not have been in the development, but the assets and concepts have been.

[@GELTONZ]

I can think of one other game with a flaw like this: The magic system in Champions of Norrath. Every time you level magic, the cost increases EXPONENTIALLY while the damage/healing/whatever only goes up a little. Rendered magic nearly useless. Also the dual wielding skill was based on averaging stats between the two weapons you wield, making it pretty much useless too. Lack of auto-targetting and overly heavy ammo made bow useage also bad. Best class in the game was the Cleric because maces were the strongest weapon and they got the one useful skill in the game: the ability to summon a hammer that flies around and kills everything for you for a limited amount of time.

[@jonathangonzaga9189]

Pat stop saying they can't make it worse. You are slowly invoking the apocalypse.

[@noahg6024]

"""""Bioware""""" strikes again!

[@devin5201]

The naked guy with the uchi is tge true king.

[@KaptinScuzgob]

guys, maths is hard tho

[@OracleCura]

"How do you 'hold my beer' Fallout 76?" Holy shit you nailed it Woolie.

[@Aydarkzero]

Anthem depresses me man i don't think i've ever played a game that made me feel NOTHING for it just end it

[@dracomundo1498]

Anthem 76'd so hard it fell entirely off the grid

[@Carnagevenomtoxin]

Anthem feels like Bioware wants to commit career suicide.

[@112523]

there should be a fuck up of the year award as lately weve had at least one massive failure each year

[@midiagain828]

Why is there no mention of Scott Steiner??

[@SpookySpaghettii]

*Deprived

[@johntrains1317]

Holy fuck. How can you fuck up this bad 😂😂😂

[@69Kazeshini]

"so nudity makes people stronger on this planet" TFS reference

[@acezar2644]

more clips! more more!

[@dreamcatcherpone]

[ C r a z y T a l k ]

[@lifeiscrap103]

The fact that this game's problems are comparable to Fallout 76 is really bad.

[@WailFin]

The thing is _they aren't._ Fallout 76 is a potentially decent game riddled with problems like metastasizing cancers. Anthem is just a single, giant tumor that they tried to dress up to make it look presentable.

[@torreben4379]

The only way this could've been topped id if it had all those core problems but started out without executable files for first week.

[@MitchCyan]

In Anthem and in general.

[@noman777]

Whoa. Pat’s numbers are SO BIG.

[@kingcaesar3693]

Meanwhile in a functional game, Division 2, my shit works.

[@dissonanceparadiddle]

Gotta love bad programming

[@jackpollard550]

“I have... Strong suspicions that this game is actually much older than six years. Much older than you could possibly think.” That is not dead which may eternal lie. And with strange aeons even death may die. In the bowels of ancient, subterranean catacombs beneath Sumeria, wicked worshippers and fiendish cultists were granted visions - prophecies, of a great age of technology and consumerism. Their god granted them power, and forethought, and for millennia, they have toiled away at this master work. This, culmination of hatred, malice, and greed. This is it, my brothers and sisters. The pinnacle of centuries of terrible game design. The Endtimes are upon us, with Anthem riding atop the crest of the wave of sorrow and despair upon a pale horse, its horrific visage lit by the great fires that have overtaken and consumed society and reason. Hold your loved ones close, and accept the inevitable. They are coming, and they are here.

[@pathfindersavant3988]

But how does Ric Flair fit into this?

[@jackpollard550]

Fool; who do you think enacted the plan in the first place?

[@jackpollard550]

Fool; who do you think enacted the plan in the first place?

[@jacobsmith4428]

Does this mean Fallout 76 is the pale horse?

[@vinny6737]

a stick dinobot really. ill improvise

[@RobHandley]

I got an Anthem ad. They know.

[@hotpink7469]

Didn't 76 blue screen computers? Did we get a crazy talk moment?!!

[@nicholaskane69]

11:12 has pat learned nothing? we're all fucked now

[@furyberserk]

Power should be weapon + armor average. Then just correct damage based on level of weapon then percentage by exp. It would work better if a 5th grader did the math.

[@arempy5836]

Say what you will about FO76, but at least people remember it (Part of that is because it's a part of a popular franchise, but still)

[@MartoLun]

13:00 Woolie: "No. I said it last time." Anyone know when he spoke about this? I'm curious to see what he has to say about development timeframes.

[@adams3627]

I think it's either the Anthem review clip or Shlooters: the Death of "Bioware" where he talks about it, but as a QA tester he said he's seen several projects where the lead devs stopped a project, decided "this doesn't work, it's fundamentally flawed" and started over. When a game is in development for over six years it likely means this happened multiple times, and the version of Anthem we got was cobbled together from whatever was still functional from the previous attempts to make Anthem work because EA said "no more restarts, it has to come out now." Much like what happened to Destiny 1 and 2, but in that series it was the story that wasn't coming together, rather than the fundamentals of how combat and gear worked.

[@Noah_AWICB]

i love that shirt man, really awesome

[@npaprika1]

Am an engineer who was about to angrily comment on the video. Glad I was spared an angry comment with 0 replies..... for now.

[@jesusmunoz6372]

Glad I never boarded the Anthem train.

[@HibHab69]

Bioware is FUCKING DEAD. This is it! You ever think the old Bioware would do something like this?

[@attackofthecopyrightbots]

didnt know pat was a mathematician

[@dracomundo1498]

Patmetician

[@Shadar22]

Yay its just like Battle of Azeroth

[@RocRolDis]

I still play FO76. I still enjoy FO76. You can have fun with broken games. Anthem? There's no game to be broken.

[@ObsidianRaiderthe1st]

Really how did this slide out the release door

[@Furymgs3]

The only other game I can think of in which you actively become weaker by levelling is Morowind/Oblivion, since you pretty much have to precisely plan what you're going to train if you don't want to waste level ups by only becoming marginally stronger when your enemies linearly improve, but at least the loot worked normally. But this... that's pretty fucked up design.

[@MCA5EY]

8:20 Pat, the level 1 gun isn't the strongest gun, it only makes the strongest gun (a power lvl 75) seem stronger because base gear are non factorial in the math equation, so a level 1 seems like the strongest only because a single equipped legendary boosts your overall damage multiplier 10:49 Anthem community manager Jesse "Darokaz" Anderson says the issue will be fixed in the next update, 1.0.4. "Instead of using how many items you actually have equipped, the calculation will be done by how many slots you have unlocked,This means at level 30, for example, your average Power Score will be divided by 11 even if you have empty weapon/gear/component slots." This would result in the correct math Woolie states at 7:45

[@MidwayWuzzupman]

I'm glad they managed to fix the oversight

[@SlayaBEE]

Is there proof of this? Like is having ONLY the Level 1 gun and the base armor doing normal damage instead of insane damage? Because I can understand wanting to test it between your legendary and having both equipped would trigger the damage multiplier.

[@adeptusastartes2720]

Wow someone on youtube that actually knows what they are talking about. Now I do not care about Anthem, but the misinformation going around in the gaming community just to push outrage has gotten really old. So thanks you for being one of the few people to not talk out of your ass.

[@Cizal]

the last time they "fixed" the issue, it caused this one, because their "fixes" are just fuckin bandaids on a fundamentally broken design. why the fuck is there no stat screen?