Telltale's The Walking Dead Series Retrospective | Card Report

The Walking Dead game by Telltale has a long history to it that won the hearts of many players. But... did it all hold up?
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Intro - 0:00
Lee Everett - 1:22
Bigger, Bolder, Messier - 8:43
By the Numbers - 17:18
Take us Back - 24:42
Epilogue - 34:17

[@CastledCard]

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[@renownedhonor]

no need for that sir

[@johngaelnox5447]

Ayyy, it has been one year

[@dragonsoldier2209]

Respectable

[@gustone7102]

Dude, that video is great! No need.

[@ghastlyghandi4301]

I liked it only to get to 69

[@fluffycowcheese]

Fun fact: At the end of Season 1 Episode 5, after Clementine shoots Lee, the screen goes dark, and you can hear Lee’s voice actor (Dave Fennoy) gasp. Some people thought it was Lee taking his last breath, but it’s actually Dave crying over Lee’s death.

[@mudaisbored]

Damn....

[@bearzdlc2172]

the main reason the role got to him so deep is because the whole voice cast worked together in the same room and actually bonded so the two characters were actually talking

[@drunkonsuccess779]

Yeah I posted this on another Walking dead video, it's really sad but also speaks as to how well the character was written, although it actually is his last breath, it wasn't supposed to be but it is, and it is still him crying.

[@akar3f853]

How is that fun lol

[@elyan_]

@@akar3f853 Well it definitely isn't a boring fact

[@ricorojas1854]

Clementine is easily one of the greatest characters in all of of fiction and needs to be recognized as such

[@grail__knight3872]

Amen

[@ChickenTendere]

She went through so much and kept pushing forward despite her age and all the betrayals coming at her 😔👊 I'm glad she got her happy ending she deserved it 100%

[@-chase-]

Facts 👊, I got them all on digital and on disc

[@Noname-qf9pf]

fr

[@user-iq9li7ve5k]

You're goddamn right

[@daniella.isobella]

Answering the last question about Clem's ethnicity - she's mixed. Her dad's African-American, and her mom is at least partially East Asian. Clem was originally modelled after a Japanese game developer's daughter; which is why a lot of people think she looks more Asian than Black in the earlier games of the series.

[@abstract5249]

His name is Derek Sakai and he was the art director. Yes, his daughter looks very much like Clementine and he confirmed in an interview she was his inspiration for the character design.

[@oxycodeine2593]

Ohh

[@Bazzable]

I thought she looked more mexican at first

[@stephengue5161]

i honestly thought she was white when i first watched some 1 play the game. mainly cause i didn’t pay attention to her parents + the art style in 1 & 2

[@pdot7687]

This doesn’t make sense though because you can see that his mother isn’t Asian though?

[@TheGoldenMan888]

Lee and Kenny till this day will always be the OG's, the parent figure's of Clementine, they loved her like a child of their own literally. RIP legend's 🗿

[@legend690o]

TrueLegends❤❤❤

[@West_is_Jelqing]

Rip

[@sunset_starz]

Rest in Peporoni Kenny

[@clearfruit7901]

kenny was not that good of a character why are yall obsessed with that nasty white man ??

[@mauriplaze13]

🐐🐐🐐🐐

[@kove8259]

Fun fact: if you want the real ending to season 1, when you have to decide Clem to shoot or leave you, if you let the timer run out, Clem will decide herself, it’s basically everything you taught Clem and you get to see it yourself because you didn’t get to decide for her EDIT: Wow, didn't know lots of people would like this and make it top comment, thanks! Also, someone down in the replies said AJ does this exact same thing in Season 4 Ep 3 where you decide Lilly's fate, BUT... f***** Lilly, I'd make sure AJ shoots her, but fun update fact for everyone seeing this 2 years later

[@asmileisspecial]

I'm going to have to replay now!!

[@user-rw9yo2pc6e]

@@asmileisspecial does it work?

[@sqwurd4610]

That’s what I did. She ended up leaving me though, and to some degree I felt like I failed

[@thedimwitt439]

I will definitely replay at some point to see this ending. See what I taught Clem.

[@CricketsTavern]

That’s brilliant

[@nicholasandersson-gylden9014]

every season has that "one character" season one- ben season two- Sarah season three- gabe season four- tenn

[@Ooffoop]

Season 2- Nick

[@jennisgurung2760]

@@Ooffoop nah Nick did more than Sarah.

[@Ooffoop]

@@jennisgurung2760 yeah but Sarah is a child and Nick did worse things

[@royedking]

Gabe was the absolute worst, bar none

[@CMXR]

i wanna play in hay

[@honeybawnches2016]

For season 2 I spent the entire game asking myself: why is everyone treating clementine like she’s an adult? Just because she’s capable doesn’t mean you (the adults) have to send her into danger every single time.

[@Chowmder]

Fr they always expected so much from her, I get we’re literally playing as her but I just felt so bad with how much she has to grow up so quickly.

[@frozenfoxgames5300]

I've always seen it as they have Clementine do everything, and then any time something goes wrong they act like she just being a hindrance

[@S0phisticatedZ0mbie]

cause they dont give af how old she is. kids are threats too. everyones desensitized, except Alvin.

[@OZYMANDI4S]

The game itself even notices that. During your plot to escape the hardware store, Clementine can choose the option "Why is it always me?" when they ask her to sneak out through the roof. 😂

[@sleepy.timaeus.arts.]

@@OZYMANDI4Snot just that, but when luke brings it up as well, and another time when he tells bonnie to stop trying to get clem to do something dangerous. if lee was there, he wouldve shut that shit down bc he didnt like sending her out to do dangerous things 💀 i wonder if he would even like most of s2 cast with the way they treated clem (especially upon first meeting her, and locking her in a shed where she nearly died!)

[@flyingbeagle6371]

I don’t see Clem becoming disabled at the end as a downer ending. Disability in the Walking Dead comics was always treated as a thing that can happen to certain characters if they live long enough and becomes a normal thing they adapt to (see Rick and Carl). Clem becoming disabled at the end can be read as further showing how far she has come in finding people she can trust and building a community that can support her and she still continue to lead and support in return. This was made pretty evident when Clem reflects that she wouldn’t last two weeks if she and AJ were still on the run on the road and AJ replies that they no longer have to run thanks to her. In many points throughout history humanity has been shown to be at its best and most compassionate when it cares and allows room for its disabled members, a theme that is very much at the heart of Walking Dead by having its two main characters - Rick and Clem - be disabled but continue to be leaders and a primary part of the community that everyone respects and cares for. Those are my thoughts.

[@O-Ophelia]

i agree 100%. i will say i would like to add that i really don’t like how they talk about disability in this video, especially considering they used a slur to describe clementine’s disability

[@hagonistheman7880]

@@O-Ophelia what slur

[@abstractlime101]

@@hagonistheman7880 'cripple' is a slur

[@hagonistheman7880]

@@abstractlime101 lol?

[@abstractlime101]

@@hagonistheman7880 Google it

[@Zeroshiki]

AJ is a pretty realistic kid, their psychology for him is spot on. I know 3 year olds who can damn near speak full sentences. The way a child speaks depends on the child, he's 6, his speaking isn't abnormal, he's just ahead of others because Clem was teaching him. The way you're supposed to, it speaks to her parenting. He was born into the apocalypse so, he's always in survival mode. He wasn't around other people for most of his early development so, he doesn't know social graces. Like, him trying to keep Tenn's things, he's way behind in social development so, he goes through the "mine" phase pretty late. I actually like AJ a lot, he's written pretty well and teaching him was pretty enjoyable, like it was with Clem.

[@RavenHaili]

Exactly, children are more intelligent then we give them credit for. Especially when survival is part of early development, because that's the most natural for us.

[@ScarletStarManor]

Yeah, children develop at different speeds, but based on their environment they *Really* shoot off in terms of how they adapt and how they speak and react to things.

[@Zeroshiki]

@@ScarletStarManor Yes, exactly. I taught toddlers for years and they learn quickly. My aunts twins knew all of their numbers, shapes, colors, and a lot of speaking by the time they were 2. It all depends on the kid and how much time you're willing to spend teaching them.

[@circletime8209]

Exactly!! My step mom always tells me storys of thing I said/did when I was 6 (I'm 17 now 18 in june) and I look at like my baby cousin who is 6 now and freak out my child hood was pretty bad at that time and I was constantly in survival mode and they say that the situations I was is had me speaking pretty ahead of my time

[@nam9085]

i personally think AJ is way more realistically written than clem, like clem never did anything bad in S1 and i just dont find that very realistic

[@elijahb30]

Apparently S4 was gonna have multiple endings but Telltale shutting down messed that up

[@CultReport]

It still does, but they have the same script with different characters, Amiid ends up with Rosie, Mitch dies, Willy probably still grieves him

[@elijahb30]

@@CultReport Well yeah but more in depth like S2

[@playerback7722]

Agreed

[@kopii00]

It definitely should of had different endings, as it said, your choices will effect your game play. That being said it helps to inform you that you could have different endings to other people bc of the relationships you made. I was upset that there wasn’t different endings. It would’ve been interesting

[@rats443]

@@kopii00 yah in Detroit become human I fudged up in until dawn I killed every character soooo... it’s not good thing for me😔😔

[@pnowy1146]

bro aint gonna lie, javier was literally one of my favourite characters in the entire series, up there with kenny, lee and the rest. He just came with too much extra baggage no one cared about, but by himself, and especially with clem he was great

[@RandomPerson-ec4hb]

Javier doesnt need all the hate maan

[@Igneeka]

Javi is great it's just that at the time (hell even today) people were here for Clem, not some new guy we never knew before, it's a bit of a jarring change when you as deep as the third season I really think more Clem sections, better consequences for your choice at the end of S2 and better characters aside from Javi could have made it one of the greatests, instead it's kinda there I guess, it's okay

[@barrolboi5101]

All my homies love javi

[@J22955]

Bro 💀 good joke

[@God.x.KillzZ]

It’s sad how we never found out what happened to Christa. I feel like if telltale wouldn’t have gone out of business then I think they would’ve made a dlc explaining what happened to Christa

[@ReesesBees]

It's implied that she was killed off screen.

[@22spirited]

I heard the opposite 😆 if you don’t see the character die on screen then they are alive off screen but who knows!

[@Kian-ww2hi]

it’s sad but i think it’s very realistic, you may never know what happens to some people in an apocalypse

[@yazidefirenze]

Season 1: Protect Her Season 2: Make Your Choice Season 3: Independence Season 4: Protect Him

[@jazy3193]

🥲

[@hweart]

s3 was the worst

[@PWNR108]

@@hweart cap

[@tofaa3668]

@@hweart s3 was

[@hweart]

@@tofaa3668 i meant s3 omg

[@matttheman9740]

It's been confirmed that telltale did not forget about Christa. What actually happened was they decided she, and many other characters, just became lost forever, with an unknown fate. It wouldn't be realistic to find every single person we've lost touch with, so they made the tough decision to just let our imagination do the answering..

[@West_is_Jelqing]

Damn that's actually a smart choice

[@MASTEROFEVIL]

Wasn't she pregnant? Whatever happened with that?

[@OriginalnaPL]

@@MASTEROFEVIL Did you play the game? And did you even watch the video? I don't understand how you're asking this question

[@hahacrackhead4100]

​@@OriginalnaPLdon't be an ass bro.

[@hahacrackhead4100]

​@@MASTEROFEVILbasically, she had a miscarriage. You could hear her and clem talking about it over the camp fire after omid's death.

[@heroinshooter1991]

the red lighting caused from clementine bashing the flashlight into zombie brodie’s face was brilliant

[@CardDontShoot]

Omid dying so suddenly at the start of season 2 got me hard. I had to step away for a bit. Something about how cruel and abrupt it was.

[@feiven865]

"got me hard" 💀

[@rue7649]

pause

[@eightball3454]

It got you what now?

[@a1antackershadow516]

It just reminded me that is walking dead world I’m in right now

[@KitKat-rs9vb]

Got you ... hard?

[@realdaggerman105]

I literally grew up with Clementine. When the first episode dropped in 2012, I was 8 turning 9, same as Clem. From there I was pretty much the same age as Clem naturally for every subsequent release. It feels weird to say, but this series meant a lot to me growing up. She was a cooler, kick-ass version of myself I got to experience. So, thanks for this retrospective.

[@digimonlover1632]

Late af replying to this but that’s so cool!

[@xdfunnyguylo8065]

exactly the same here lol. I watched until s3 on youtube. I recently bought the definitive edition, since i had almost forgotten anything, and i enjoyed every hour of it. Season 4 has i think almost the best ending of any story game.

[@4rtsyval]

GOD, same here!! i grew up alongside her and seeing her journey end made me cry a lot

[@pyroAdapt]

I like that! It's always cool to grow up with a series you love be it a game series or KZbin channel or tv show. There's nothing quite like it.

[@Charlotta900]

Same!

[@talonspin]

Fun Fact: Originally Lilly wasn't supposed to show up instead it was supposed to be a crazy version of Christa

[@ranvirmalhi4850]

Really goes to show how Telltale doesnt remember their own characters personailty. Same way they were going to make Kenny the season 2 villain. Look up season 2 episode 5 better to sleep. Chilling

[@MistarZtv]

@@ranvirmalhi4850 yeah trying to make kenny the villain was... a choice. like the original plans for s2 he was supposed to be the full season big bad. that wouldn't have worked out well, because we know half of the player base will just go along with kenny even if he is a tyrant. lmao.

[@tifi4220]

man that would have been so good if crazy christa showed up instead. she had every reason to hate clementine because she seemed to blame her lover's death on her.

[@ranvirmalhi4850]

@@tifi4220 it would be dumb no offence. Christa still cared for Clem and was always understanding Abusing kids doesnt seem like her thing

[@maadtee6281]

@@tifi4220 plus even if you help she ends up dying no matter what

[@georgelopes4589]

I actually appreciate the 3rd season because of how your choices actually affect the ending more than the first two. Having Lee inevitably die in the first one works because it helps the theme of struggling to hope during the darkest of times but if all telltale games ended basically the same then it would be repetitive and less impactful since our decisions don’t really matter.

[@willham1427]

Lee is such a huge influence to Clem even to the end with her pretending I definitely thought his death worked too. Made Clem harder and added another layer of maturity.

[@West_is_Jelqing]

​@@willham1427 fr

[@J22955]

​@@willham1427wym with her pretending and the end?

[@bozak335]

When Clem's leg was bit i remember thinking of Lee and how he felt and it was almost a exact reflection. You could see Lee in Clem as if they were the same. And in aj you can see lil Clem. It's so heart touching.

[@legend690o]

Really so touching ❤❤🥲

[@gabethafav1817]

I don’t think any scene will top Lee gripping the glass having blood run down it and his fight through a horde of zombies to save Clementine. I still go back and watch the scene every once and a while.

[@Kxy2x]

Yeh i used to play the game with my sister (well my sister would play id just watch lol) anyways when i saw that i was like holy shit lee is so badass

[@thedancingguy828]

I think Conrad killing Badger deserves a close second spot on the list, it is just badass, revengefull and Conrad can finally rest after it... He was one of the best charactersof the entire season, the only thing that didnt made people love him as it should it was his only mistake in the season, point a gun on Clem. Even i when i first see this, iwas like "kill this man, Clem for the win" but when you see the other side, you see that,he apologises with Clementine, is like a very nice guy, even saves Javi if he dies on Kate accident and the best of all... He can still fucking make it! Kenny has 4 of 5 endings that he dies and 1 when he maybe is alive. Luke, Pete, Nick (witch i liked) and Lee are dead. And thats what make him special.

[@Obsrange5176]

@@thedancingguy828 me who killed Conrad to save Clem: Oop 😳

[@alejandromurillo12]

No

[@Tetricus57]

@@thedancingguy828 I tried to act in a way that made sense for Javier, so I didn't factor in my previous experiences with Clementine when I made decisions. I still had to shoot Conrad though. He's not just threatening Clementine; he's threatening your nephew/adopted son.

[@ianerysrieger8233]

I think the reason Rebecca switched up so often emotionally is due to her pregnancy hormones. Therefore, I do think her character is decent and adds some realism.

[@Archonator]

Lori in the comics is the same in the early issue one minute she’s calling rick a murder next minute agreeing with him and they even explained it as hormones in the comics so this would be the case

[@0RacoonDog0]

@@dulguunshallot1018 wtf

[@MaryJane-tp3qd]

@@Archonator that would kind of suck cuz it does have a factor but I always felt Rebecca made her change (un natural as it may seems from an outside perspective) because she was thinking “I am going to be a mother” because she saw the difference in clem and Sarah at least. I think clem made her think about her babies future, which in turn would make us feel the same way no matter if we liked Rebecca or not.

[@Kalenz1234]

Yap. A heavily pregnant woman who is not only high on hormones but also suffers from anxiety maybe even depression about the fact that she is to bring a child into that fucked up world would easily and understandably have severe mood swings and be extremely opposed to any unknown outside factors like Clem. Once Clem had been accepted into the group, Rebecca's maternal instincts would kick in and she would become basically Clem's "besty". I think the writers nailed her character.

[@andyroobrick-a-brack9355]

@@dulguunshallot1018 "Pregnant, traumatized and stressed," not female.

[@FUZionist]

This game, the wolf among us, and their lore, is basically my late teen years.

[@konsti4931]

This!

[@drewdizzle94]

As a new dad that recently watched all of the walking dead walkthroughs on KZbin, I really liked AJ. It made me think about how I would've handled that situation with my son. It really puts it into perspective

[@timestamper9589]

I'm far from being a dad, I know that for sure, but Jesus, the questions that sometimes AJ throws at you are really hard to explain to a little kid, even more knowing that he'll counter attack with at least another "why" to your answers dragging you into an "AJ will remember that" spiral

[@West_is_Jelqing]

​@@timestamper9589 LMAO FACTS

[@mr-_-fox1115]

I know I'm really late to this comment but I felt the same due to being the same age as clem and my little brother being a little younger than AJ. I think it's funny to see how depending on our own personal life it might considerably change how we play and feel towards the characters.

[@dannyhernandez265]

2 years late, but congratulations

[@hexyila52]

This game literally raised me. I’d never watched the show but I was a fan of the IP thanks to this game

[@bobtheball5384]

Same bro, I was like 9-10 when I started watching the let's plays for it

[@user-et1qt3ss8v]

@@bobtheball5384 Same

[@overtime_ot]

You should try the show ! I love TWD Series

[@hexyila52]

@@overtime_ot I am I’m on season 7

[@tiltmonger9448]

@@bobtheball5384 Same bro,I remember watching pewds play s1 during the summer right before 7th grade and now im a freshman in college shit is wack

[@PickledMemes]

I'm still pissed about Luke's death, he was actually a good character

[@TheInfamousWolf]

Dude, everything that went wrong during that season was Luke's fault. He opposed Bill Carver but what was his backup plan? He didn't even try to size power for himself to make a better settlement. He created a power vacuum, and I desperately hate him for it 😒 😤 🥺

[@lumeniiz1554]

esp because apparently it was meant to be kenny v luke not jane v kenny bc they killed him off early bc ppl were shipping luke n clemmy

[@dulguunshallot1018]

pretty sure they changed plan or someone stopped them about luke vs jane so they had to go with jane

[@nbHawkeye]

I believe that Luke's drowning death was supposed to show us that even in the apocalypse there are still lots of ways to die naturally if you're not careful.

[@beatlecristian]

@@nbHawkeye not everyone does heroically, Halo Reach demonstrates this perfectly.

[@hellodolly7989]

I’m so happy that Season 4 was actually good and a great ending to the series. Too often series end really lackluster or bad and you just have to grit your teeth or believe in “headcannon” but Walking Dead delivered a complete story and I’m so thankful for that and Skybound working so hard to bring it to life.

[@legrandtheiii2572]

Amen.🙏

[@nightmareeyes2083]

28:25 I would have wholeheartedly believed that no five year old could do all of this and talk so clearly. Until my niece turned five and I realized 'little kid lies' like blaming stuff on magic and skirting around certain questions did not work on her because she talked like she was seven and was more logical than compared to my other niece who is also five who wasn't nearly as articulated. Kids says the darnest things and they can be a little smarter than you think

[@Notmefr_.]

Man even with Clem still being under 18 the art never stops

[@abysswalker2594]

What sick fuck is messing with our girl

[@bobtheball5384]

That just makes me sad

[@Fenrize]

Welcome to the internet

[@MrGohan8000]

@@abysswalker2594 The horny unfortunately can't be stopped The many pains of the internet ...

[@denji5426]

that's so disturbing :(

[@ubermaster1]

What I like "or hate" about Sarah is that she is the complete opposite of Clem. While Clem had Lee as a father figure, to show her how to survive in this world, even if it meant some of her childlike innocence had to be taken away as a consequence, Sarah is an example of what happens if you continue to shelter your children even in the apocalypse.

[@philly_sports1558]

Exactly. I understand why so many people hated her but she filled her role as a foil for Clementine perfectly.

[@umbra1948]

@@philly_sports1558 Exactly! I always found her to be a tragic figure too, since her circumstances with being sheltered and not being taught the essential skills to survive the apocalypse, along with how her mental state progressed throughout the story practically doomed her. I always found that sad. Her chances of survival were so low and she was already dealt a pretty bad hand with everything considered.

[@umbra1948]

Clementine also got a pretty crappy start since she had to hide up in a treehouse without her family (and a zombified babysitter), but then Lee came across her house, and from that point onward he was able to teach Clementine what she needed to know. Sarah had her dad, but he didn’t do what Lee did for Clementine.

[@MaryJane-tp3qd]

@@umbra1948 yea I think it’s a huge personality thing along with Sarah being a little older. I feel if that happened to Sarah and she hid in the treehouse for two days she wouldn’t reach out to lee to take that chance for survival. She’d listen to her fathers saying even if there’s not any hope where she’s at.

[@umbra1948]

@@MaryJane-tp3qd I absolutely agree with that point!

[@Olivia-z]

I completely agree on season 2. I actually liked it a lot at first, but now that you mention it...a showdown between Luke and Kenny would have been so much cooler. I didn't care for Jane nearly as much as Luke, who I adored. I also wish that the baby was Omid and Christa's. I ended up caring for AJ regardless but I would've been invested more quickly were he theirs instead.

[@Romer318]

The new frontier has so many weird ass situations, like when Javier and a two kids push a huge ass brink trunk like its nothing. Javier being john wick is hilarious also. The final season was good, the first 2 episodes where a little drawn out. But it was a great ending. Just wish Kenny would have shown up one last time.

[@aprilg4116]

When they mention meeting up with another group of survivors to trade at the end of the final season, part of me hoped it would show that and Kenny would be one of them

[@JohnnyLaw-xg6ig]

@@aprilg4116yeah when he dies in all endings but one never seen mate

[@flamingpaxtsc]

Yeah, I think that Kenny’s death didn’t serve his character well. He’s deuteragonist for the first two seasons, but his death only took a few minutes???

[@jjkilhij9531]

Season 1 was a classic, definitely has the best cast of characters and great level of storytelling. Lee was a legend and his death was one of the most impactful I’ve ever seen, watching so many youtubers cry to it (even 2012 Pewdiepie) really had me intrigued in the game before I actually got into it. Seeing Lee’s story of redemption from criminal to caretaker as the apocalypse gives him “a new day” to start his life over is always amazing. I agree with you on season 2 having those new details be great, I love the menu changing after you finish an episode (and its music), alongside the beautiful credit songs (all though Amid The Ruins is my least favorite of the season, its credit song “Salty Seas” is my favorite of the whole game franchise. I do also agree that the cast of new characters felt like they got pushed aside hard for Kenny, Jane and Luke (to an extent). Nick and Sarah had heavy wasted potential, both dying meaningless deaths after being saved and doing nothing. And Carlos kept switching back and forth between wanting our help and being like “You’re just a kid.” though I don’t think he was the leader, I’m pretty sure Pete was before he died then Luke took over and was the last one standing. And yes, it was confirmed that it was originally going to be Kenny vs Luke, but last minute got changed and Luke got that crappy lake death. It was however also confirmed back in the day that Kenny was originally going to be the Carver of the season and return as the main antagonist, so maybe him vs Luke only wouldve worked there. But overall Kenny’s endings to the season hit the best for sure, his sacrifice at Wellington’s gates is super emotional no matter if you stay or not. I don’t hate season 3, and I agree with some of your points on how playing as an adult again was cool and how the supporting cast was more consistent, but it still is probably my least favorite. Season 2 holds above this one purely because season 2 has the most nostalgia for me since I remember all the hype around it while it was coming out. The storytelling in this season isn’t anythign spectacular though, and overall the story isn’t super necessary to go into season 4. Mariana was cool though, and getting to cave in the head of Badger (the bald dude who killed her) was VERY satisfying. And yeah, the translation of the season 2 choices to here...not good. Season 4 was a breath of fresh air for me, I loved the graphical improvements and added gameplay, they really helped make the game stand out. I liked AJ, and bought into his articulate-ness because Clem probably wanted to teach him the basics faster than she learned so that he would be quicker to adapt to their world. I preferred Louis as a love interest for Clem since he offered a sense of lightheartedness that felt missing in the group since before Omid died. Yeah the Lee flashback was very well done, and Clem losing her leg was sad but at least she lived. I absolutely adore this series!

[@volodymyr_bots]

Who confirmed that there was Luke vs Kenny originally?

[@TotalleeLee]

@@volodymyr_bots I can’t remember? But it was either because people suspected some parts of the game was rushed, a voice actor remembered doing more lines, someone found concept art, someone hacked into the game and found more dialogue, it was somewhere among those lines but I do remember it being pretty concrete and like a known fact among the fanbase.

[@stanleysmooth]

TBH Season 2 was my favourite, the only problem I had with it was that we didn't get to see Kenny murder Arvo after he shot Clem.

[@ItsMark.]

#LEEgend

[@bananas4sale]

Couldn’t have said it better!

[@JT-ux8yi]

If they ever make another game with Clem as the main character they might give her a fake leg

[@silentecho92able]

Or if they wanna make it crazy and ridiculous they should go full "Planet Terror" and give her a machine gun leg LOLZ.

[@fiel81]

@@silentecho92able no.....just no

[@dangdang4334]

I recall at the end of the game that AJ can say to Clem something about finding a book in the schools library about woodworking and that he and Willy could possible try to build her a wooden prosthetic. Think Clem called it "the foot book"

[@MaryJane-tp3qd]

July 7th!

[@rahfrmnyc]

@@MaryJane-tp3qd Yessssirrrrr

[@ignota9835]

no game in history made me cry as much as this one did. I remember 11 yr old me trembling and bawling my eyes out when Lee died like it was my own parents.

[@Hello-wf9yd]

28:35 “You wanted him to do you so much, that you could do anything.” Hold up, wait a minute-

[@peachdoesart7175]

To give defense to AJ, he's severely traumatized. Trauma makes kids act way older than their age.

[@willham1427]

I don’t think it’s trauma I think it’s just the world he’s growing up in. Kids don’t get to be kids as long when the life expectancy drops. His world is the broken apocalypse not a nice place that went to shit. I guess you could say the others merely adopted the apocalypse he was born in it.

[@2345mat]

I'm sure he's fine

[@JustScrapHD]

@@willham1427 there is definetly trauma involved. You dont live through the shit he has without being somewhat fucked up. It was kinda shown with him being overly paranoid. I guess you could argue everyone would be traumatised in this world and his reactions are "natural" but that doesnt change that his environment would drastically impact his personality

[@panfriedgoblins]

when living in a world like he has too he HAS to grow up, same with clem acting older than her age at only age 11 it's only been 2 years since the first game yet she acts and does thing just like and even better than the adults who she's with

[@hellodolly7989]

@@willham1427 They literally talk abou AJ’s trauma in the game.

[@Slycoomer56]

LMAOOO There's no way Telltale didn't forget about Christa...

[@MaryJane-tp3qd]

They even let you ask if she’s at wellington! she’s such a good character.

[@sannii2222]

what they forgot about her

[@tjx]

@Rado Montana If she survived that bandit attack she probably died not long after probably not even to walkers just to other people

[@trevorward6040]

they didn't. she originally played a bigger part in the first drafts of season two but for some reason she was cut. one of the lead writers said she almost came back in season 4 instead of lilly.

[@nicklerjoy2418]

If we choose to help Christa in season 2, the bandits shoot her, that's why they "choose to forget" her

[@enontv5255]

Actually in season 2 when you are at the riverbank with Nick and Pete, you can see Christa's walker corpse among the bodies when you discover the guy asking for water. I wish it would've served a reaction from Clem but if I remember correctly, she doesnt say anything when she sees it. It's clearly Christa's model though, hair and clothes.

[@j-j8984]

I could see that being the case, however I feel like if that's true then they would have had Clem (and by extension us) react to that, and then there would be no need for Clem to keep asking new people if they have Christa

[@jimmythecrow]

49% is literally an even split on kenny. He was the only one who actually cared about the people

[@willham1427]

Yeah Jane was insane purposely pushing him over the edge just to make a point

[@Leonard_Wolf_2056]

​@@willham1427 both are extremely dangerous. Kenny is a psychopath and Jane is a sociopath. "Good intentions" don't excuse abuse.

[@West_is_Jelqing]

​@@Leonard_Wolf_2056 good enough point. Kenny still better tho and he cares and looks after Aj and clem.

[@dagothurgaming7016]

​@@Leonard_Wolf_2056I disagree. If you were in Kenny's shoes you'd lose it too.

[@deepintothewoooods]

@@Leonard_Wolf_2056excuse my aboose

[@leelanzini]

Clementine is a badass! She earned her rest at the end of S4!

[@KimimaruOnara]

She might not get to rest for long

[@xi-hype8892]

@@KimimaruOnara imagine when aj goes with the person you saved to the people outside the border and they get kidnapped and clementine goes on a killing spree

[@playerback7722]

Yeah it's wild

[@SwordTune]

Plus losing a leg is not completely debilitating. With a gun and a peg leg, she can kill a walker just as easily as two-footed people.

[@DankTaco707]

Anybody else remember looking up if you can save Lee after your first playthrough lmao.

[@bironjames9948]

Yes lol

[@teamspiral1707]

I wish there was a tell-tale walking dead remake where we can save Lee

[@rockycuro7737]

@@teamspiral1707 eh it wouldn't really work, I can't imagine season 2/3/4 with Lee because it would be too drastically different. Clem probably wouldn't have been in the woods, so she wouldn't have the 2nd group, so she wouldn't have met Kenny, they wouldn't have made it to wellington and so on so forth, it's all about clementine after season 1, so Lee had to die.

[@softwaredeeth6956]

I went around school lying to everyone that you can check underneath the pallet the zombie was under to save Lee

[@DankTaco707]

@@softwaredeeth6956 You're the wolf in sheep's clothing lol.

[@caitlinwheeler7915]

The bit ab Christa and Omid’s baby makes so much more sense. The baby of the people Lee trusted to ask to look after Clem? Way more emotionally investing

[@MoonOffSpringC]

I still remember bursting into tears everytime I saw the ending of season 1 😭 I watched multiple KZbin let's players and wanted to see the decisions each of them took

[@Angelina-dw5vy]

Personally, I didn’t have a problem with AJ’s age and how he spoke in s4. My 5 year old sister is bilingual (totally able to say sentences in both languages and can switch between the two on the fly) and ofc it depends on the kid but they can be capable of some amazing things.

[@vicentec4779]

I mean, I thought he was totally believeable as a child, he acts like such and all, also, I suppose that a fast life which doesn't let you be a child would hugely grow you up.

[@vianjelos]

AJ was more so unbelievable in how good his hand eye coordination was and how he wasnt underweight..like he and clem realistically should have been much thinner as I doubt they had acess to that much food. Also him surviving past infancy was unrealistic as they constantly ran out of supplied for him and he had little warmth in the winter. But his speach wasnt unrealistic at all a lot of kids even 50 years ago spoke fully by 5..there is just no incentive for many to do so now a days so they dont. Kids in general today developed core skills later than in previous generations, because parents coddle them and or dont make the effort to develop those skills daily. So its not that AJ is advanced, but that kids in many first world western countries are falling behind.

[@Bubbon2644]

@@vianjelos he wore a lot of layers of clothes so he could’ve been really skinny underneath

[@Friendly_Neighborhood_Edgelord]

Honestly I feel like out of Season 1 Clem, AJ and Duck Clem was the least realistic

[@marley1172]

People fail to realise AJ grew up with monsters around him of course he’s going to be different

[@No-jc3nh]

I think Clem is supposed to be mixed because we see a picture of her parents in season 1 episode 1 and she thought lee was her father, but we don’t know what her mother’s ethnicity was.

[@megamanx1291]

She's half African/Korean

[@breakops5339]

Melissa Hutchinson awhile back during season 3 actually confirmed Clem was black/Asian race. Very beautiful

[@anniegurre4060]

I dont know why people think Clementine's mum is Asian. She's clearly black in the photo they show in season 1. She's just lightskin that's all. Maybe they retconned it later, not too sure.

[@masstv9052]

@@anniegurre4060 You can clearly see Clem is Mixed Black/Asian in season 1.

[@bironjames9948]

@@anniegurre4060 bruh you blind her dad was clearly black n her mom white but what kind of white im not sure

[@voixmin]

Clems years before the world became infested with zombies has to be one of her biggest driving forces now since she knows that everything *Can* be okay.

[@Jarkeld]

Okay...I'm late to this video, but I wanted to say this - I came into this franchise shortly before Season 4 got released. I had the luxury of playing all three Seasons back-to-back. The first season was so emotional and a roller coaster. The characters were more "alive" and like you said, we got invested in them more so when they died, it hit harder. I'm still reeling from Lee.... The St. Johns - I had this feeling right away that's what was going on, but it was still disturbing to watch it unfold. Katjaa going out as she did....that shocked me. I still can't believe it sometimes. The Stranger I think was the best villain of the series - because in a way, he wasn't really a "villain", but just someone who got pushed into such a role. When I came into this fandom, I was told four things - Lee is awesome, people are split over Kenny/Jane, Season 2 was the best (at that point) and we didn't talk about ANF. For the longest time, I felt I was in the minority - I couldn't stand Season 2; to me, it was the weakest of the series. And when I simply shared that, I got so much hate for it. The characters are so bland, Kenny is alive (somehow), and this season divided people over AJ (some even wanted Telltale to kill him off so Clem could be "free"). Apparently, according to the original devs, Season 2's cast was meant to not survive - any of them - which is why so many of them died off so quickly and why we're not really given any background to them. And originally, Kenny was meant to be the big bad, but along the way, Carver got created and since Kenny was already factored in pretty heavily, they just changed his purpose. ANF - the hate for this season boils down to two reasons, and both of them are kinda the same, really - we're not playing as Clem, but Javi. That's really about 90% of the hate for the season. The rest is how it doesn't feel like "your Clem". That's what got thrown out a lot when ANF debuted originally apparently. Also yes, how the first two episodes are really just one cut up into two parts. Tripp/Ava's death was so....wasteful, really. Eleanore did such a 180, it was almost as bad as Rebecca's. Kate sort of throwing herself at you, and Javi really not minding it felt sometimes is an issue. I get David is meant to be built up as some sort of jerk since the world has gone to Hell, and they have been traveling together for so long now without any sort of sign or word from David, at some point....it happens more often that people like to admit I think. Not defending it, just making sure both sides are pointed out. So, comparing Seasons 2 and 3 - I agree that Season 3 is the better season. It's just a slight detour to ensure Clem is alive before her final arc I think. Still better with more fleshed out characters than Season 2. And yes, Mariana was a treasure. With Season 4, we weren't even sure if we were going to get Episodes 3 and 4 initially. Briefly, when it comes to AJ's age - having worked with K - 2 for about eight years, while you *can* encounter a child who's that cognizant, it is *highly* rare so yeah, it's hard to believe he's only 5 a lot of the time in this season. I had to keep questioning if he really was 5 and not say....7 or 8. And Clem being 16 by the time Done Running starts? Ehh...she's more like 16-18 in my opinion, which would put AJ about 5-7. And people really were divided over Violet/Louis. I liked Louis, but, I *knew* what happened to him was going to happen sooner or later. Same with Tenn; loved Tenn, but Jesus.....it was bound to happen. I cried seeing Lee again - and a few didn't like how Clem had this "attachment" to him (in the community I was part of), most loved the touching farewell. I know I did; it kind of felt like it validated how we "raised" Clem to this point. Now, the final ending - Clem surviving divided the fan base as well - so many wanted her to die, so many in fact were angry that she lived, they felt "cheated", for whatever reason. A few even said that Telltale "chickened out on a proper ending" and requested Skydance correct the mistake. There's always going to be those edgelords that require a "grimdark" ending to everything they play. That said, Season 4 is where it's at. Sorry for the wall of text - I just don't get a chance to discuss this franchise much anymore. Not without being made fun of for how I didn't like Season 2 and felt ANF was "okay".

[@jjkilhij9531]

Also, in terms of some of the questions you asked: It was confirmed that for season 4 either Lilly or Christa were considered. So knowing that they were even thinking about having her return, we can have hope she escaped that robbery situation. And for Clem’s ethnicity the answer seems to jump between her being a lightskinned black girl or her being blasian. Her dad is very visibly a black male in the photo they have in the house (also explaining why she mistook Lee for her father when he first came into her house), but her mom is a mystery. A latest statement was that she’s fully black, but the VA and creators of S1 said she’s Blasian, so there you go as the best answer. AND, in case you don’t know, Telltale got “revived” last year by LCG Entertainment (Telltale is now a new company with the old name) and The Wolf Among Us 2 was announced at the 2019 Game Awards. “Telltale 2.0” (as a lot of people call it) is partnering with Adhoc Studios to make the long awaited sequel. Adhoc is formed by ex-Telltale employees, primarily those who made the first game which is great, and based on the teaser, they got old voice actors back as well. So if you cared about Bigby Wolf, get hyped for next year!

[@ChickenTendere]

Ngl it's easy to see how people got confused with her race considering her skin tone changed each season and multiple staff members or even a va i think keep saying she's blasian or just lightskin

[@CultReport]

I would not want to live if I got stabbed in my rectum With the most sharp stick

[@MASTEROFEVIL]

100th like

[@dogex2673]

The Wolf AMOGUS 2

[@redactedredacted8112]

I'd say blasian, also AMOGUS 2 better be great like the first one because after ending the game on a fucking cliffhanger and then not even making the next one really pissed me off

[@KimimaruOnara]

No form of media has ever made me tear up except for this game. I got really emotionally invested, and borderline traumatized from seeing what happens to all these characters. This game is a a work of art.

[@weius]

True, today i finished watching last season and i've been thinking about it all day long, couldn't even eat remembering all the deaths

[@funkycord1336]

Dont forget the rdr2 ending before the epilogue made me cry out loud like season 1

[@Sedgehun]

You are absolutely spot on.

[@DisABruh]

@@weius dude me too

[@supergenius6256]

There was few games I've played where I actually cared about the characters; Red Dead Redemption was the first protagonist death I've seen, seeing John Marston get shot up like that was definitely a shock to me. I did play through Telltale's TWD when I was really young, but I never played S1, I kind of watched through the series tbh.

[@TAMThomasTAM]

Season 2 would have been vastly improved if the bandits who attacked Clem in the first episode were Carver and his crew. It would have introduced us to him earlier on, and the question of what happened to Crista would be lingering throughout the season. Was she dead? Was she adopted into his gang? It would be a mystery to keep you interested and keep Clem from simply walking away from the whole situation. Similar to Javi trying to get justice for his niece throughout Season 3, Clem trying to get her back to Crista. Before he is killed, Carver would claim she joined them and went on a run with others a while back, and so Clem would have some agency in where they go, but neither Kenny nor Jane believe what Carver told her. In the end, whomever she is with, she comes across Crista's dead body along with the other runners. The season would start with the loss of a loved one, and end with it, and it would both harden Clementine into realising that no one is ever safe (maybe she even did something stupid and childish, being a child and all, at the very start, which led to bandits to them, and so she learns about responsibility or something) but it also softens her to the understanding that she should appreciate who she's with when she's with them, helping in her becoming a mother figure to the baby. Also, if it had been Crista's baby (and I think my math might be right here), then it would be two or three during the events of Season 2, meaning it would be young enough to still be very young, but old enough to not just be a newborn baby. This could be done by having Crista and the toddler disappear at the start, and all through the season we get flashbacks to Clementine with Crista helping the baby, reminding us of their bonds and what Clementine want's to get back to, and in the final episode, we find Crista dead but the toddler still alive, and Clem can take him and keep raising him. This would both give a better connection between them (going all the way back to Lee in Season 1 where he met the pregnant Crista) and it would mean by the time the Final Season rolls around, the child would be exactly eight years old, allowing them to be the age Clementine was while having Clementine herself still be basically a child (about sixteen or seventeen) so she still fits in the school and young people setting of the season. I also found it strange that they mostly ignored the fact that she was a girl for most of it. Season 2 especially feels like it should have dealt more with aspects of womanhood, a coming-of-age tale, since she's around the age that she'd be hitting puberty and it ends with her basically becoming a kind of mother to a child. The game is more than happy to show this girl getting her arm torn open and sewn back up but they couldn't seem to spare any time for discussing having periods in the apocalypse or have some interesting game mechanics to show the effect of hormones (like choices being more chaotic or the illusion of free will, which Telltale became notorious for, being an actual part of the story since at moments she may be driven by her emotions, you know, how most teenagers act). It would have also massively aided in humanizing Clementine and giving her more personality, rather than just following the nearest person and keeping quiet most of the time.

[@NOITY35]

Despite the issues with the series, it was the first piece of art that made me realize that I really want to be a parent. I was really, really attached to Clementine's character from start to finish, and seeing her transition from child to parent in her own right just struck something in me. This series is my favourite game series of all time, I think. It's certainly my favourite of all Walking Dead media.

[@PileOfStones]

Telltale is not dead anymore, they're hiring and are making Wolf Among Us season 2.

[@haowig]

i cant wait for it, i hope they give it the love and care TWAU deserves tbh

[@casualtrin9834]

Say swear!!!!!!!!! 😭 I’ve been waiting so long 😭

[@PileOfStones]

@@casualtrin9834 you can check their website

[@RAY_NINJA_KING]

Among us?

[@goldentoparican788]

@@RAY_NINJA_KING No, not everything is an Among Us reference. Just like how everything isn't a Jojo reference

[@BoxOKittens]

Fun fact: I spoke full sentences and even read a little at only 3. It really does all depend on how a kid is raised. Clem is shown to never talk to him with babytalk, which can stunt a child's development. But he's still a kid in the fact that he absorbs everything Clem does, makes mistakes, and is still developing his moral compass.

[@anaionescu8913]

I also started to read quite early(somewhere around 4), though I can't remember whether my speech reflected that, but I also fully believe it's possible for a 5-year-old to be as articulate as AJ

[@agentblackfyre5922]

Yeah I can agree with you still doesn't mean that AJ shouldn't have been 8 or even 10 years old, would of fucked with the timeline but whatever it is just better for the character

[@MistarZtv]

yeah development is kinda weird like that, like me and my brother could pretty much read and write before we were even sent to kindergarten. my brother could hold a very coherent conversation with adults, he was the more talktive of us during that age range because i was more introverted. i think that part of aj was fine. though how strong he is was kinda hard to keep my suspense of disbelief. it was definitely heart breaking at times seeing just how hardened and callous he can be, growing up in such a cruel world and him being the only kid in the games who's never known a world before the walkers, that was really sad.

[@diegomedina9637]

My brother at the age of 3 had this huge plan about how to run away from home and go live with my grandparents states away from where we lived at the time. And apparently that plan could have succeeded if he felt like executing it. So AJ here being able to talk pretty much full sentences is really not that out of the question.

[@maadtee6281]

True some kids learn faster then others some are slow

[@goldengamers2604]

For me, Lee's death was the saddest death in any video game I have ever played, actually heartbreaking.

[@EZ-Flix]

Currently been playing through this series, I’m on The Final Season and I can’t wait to watch this. These games have been just so great, I’ve laughed, I’ve cried, I’ve just been memorized and I can’t thank the people enough who put these masterpieces together. Still can’t wait to watch this

[@konohahurricane07]

Clementine's ethnicity is Mixed. Specifically Asian and Black. Her dad is Black and her mom is part Asian and part Black.

[@marcusacuna6560]

came here to comment this, thank you :D

[@dareangel96]

I was looking for this. When the game came out, there were kids in my school arguing that she was white or Latina. Her family is shown in a photograph in season one

[@Whitemenhavelittledicks]

No both her parents are black, mom is just lightskin, Clem isn’t biracial/mixed.

[@konohahurricane07]

@@Whitemenhavelittledicks walkingdead.fandom.com/wiki/Diana_(Video_Game)

[@triatanstopmotions4157]

@@Whitemenhavelittledicks she would have bigger lips

[@andersondawn3631]

I’m so glad you addressed Luke getting replaced by Jane and the other cabin group getting replaced as well. This really pissed me off. I can’t tell you how much that frozen lake sequence destroyed my interest in the finale and series as a whole. I was so pumped for the Kenny vs Luke business to go down and with Season 3 confirmed I really believed more of a cast would survive through. How naive I was 😒

[@lauren_eb]

honestly it would have been better if you could get "different" endings by choosing between luke (not jane) and kenny but then making the story so that clementine will end up alone regardless, so you don't have to do those weird flashbacks in season 3 of everyone dying--just take care of that in season 2 and then season 3 can feature clem and her story more prominently.

[@TheBluePhantom]

Yeah when I first played through season 2 I found it strange Jane left only to return for the very next episode, it would be like if Molly suddenly came back to help Lee to get clem back. Jane should've been kept out from the final episode of S2, her purpose and role as a brief mentor to clem was fulfilled and it would've helped push luke a little further, as it is incredibly obvious he somehow had a thing for her and with her gone permanently we could've seen him deteriorate to the point where a confrontation with Kenny is possible, with luke pinning everyone leaving or dying on Kenny as it was Kenny's idea to break out of carvers camp plus Jane's dialogue about Sarita was hella odd since Jane hadn't even interacted with her. Lots of Jane dialogue post luke death seemed like it was intended to be his. Jane purely staying with the group because of clementine is definitely some hypocrisy as the women herself talks about attachments and how they'll drag you down and it would've been suitable for her character to stay away. Kenny vs luke would've been much more impactful as we know both men are capable of good and helping clem it would've made quite the fun match up as we have a season 1 character who was present to the end and appearing in season 2 or a new character from the start of s2 that can potentially survive into s3. If clem decides to shoot Kenny and then abandon Luke it directly goes against Lukes idea of people you can trust while still embracing what Jane had taught clem. Season 2 suffered the most from rewrites.

[@BoolyK]

You missed the point of the lake sequence then. People like Luke don't survive anymore. A subtle reminder that people like Lee wouldn't have made it at that stage in the outbreak

[@minutemansam1214]

@@BoolyK In a realistic situation that wouldn't be the case. Humans are social creatures, and in survival situations those who are well socialized and can produce strong social bonds are the ones most likely to survive. That's how we survived as a species for over 200,000 years.

[@PoopieFartGamer]

@@minutemansam1214 bro that’s not true at all sometimes people make bad logical decisions because there making moral decisions it’s a hole cluster fuck your morals won’t protect u in a world like that

[@heyimpaws]

Idk how many times I have watched this video but every time it shows back up in my recommended I have to give it another watch. It’s just so good.

[@gubyro]

Season 1: 8 year old girl in apocalypse Season 2: that girl again but older Season 3:spanish guy having issues with brother Season 4: girl again but with baby

[@HarlanDaleAbsher]

When it comes to Krista, I'm pretty sure Telltale looks at it as "sometimes people just die and you don't know what happens" I think clem eventually came to terms with that

[@TranNguyen-qw6ep]

Christa and Omid are the shining example of wasted potential characters of the series. Instead of making them Clementine's companions on the journey through season 2, they just got rid of them in favor of bunch of characters we don't give a shit about.

[@semregob3363]

@@TranNguyen-qw6ep true, S2 characters are the baddest for sure

[@KCGamingBuddies]

@@semregob3363 i liked luke quite a bit

[@dulguunshallot1018]

@@KCGamingBuddies till he drowned

[@thedimwitt439]

Someone finally said it!! There’s so many characters that COULD be dead but we don’t know, and the only reason we ever found out Chuck died was by complete chance! I hope Molly’s still alive

[@dannyyogendra51]

You know, I love Clem, and I'm really happy she survived. I actually got choked up at the reveal where she hobbles over to AJ on her crutches. But noone ever seems to mention that the game had to break the source material's rules for zombie bites to make this happen. It feels like WAY too much time passed between Clem getting bit on the leg while climbing that ledge, and the scene in the barn with the axe fake out, for her to have had any chance at survival.

[@Shadow-be2zc]

Yeah I thought that too, you could even see the bags under her eyes like she had a fever. It was kind of annoying to me but I still loved the game either way and I even started crying when Clem came back.

[@mado-wh4jv]

She was bleeding before it, that probably helped.

[@nestortagulao1822]

well she was bleeding really bad so the spreading of the infection might be slowed down.

[@leonselyomin2185]

It was confirmed that only 17 minutes passed between Clementine getting bit and her leg was also bleeding meaning the infection had no circulation. The fever and pale skin was caused by too much blood loss.

[@leonselyomin2185]

Maybe, since she displayed most of the same symptoms as lee

[@slayworldkev]

this has to be my favourite story game/series of all time. finally picked up the courage to finish it after playing season 1 years back and my god i have never been this emotionally attached to a video game character in my life

[@jaydenmafa5159]

I don't get why people don't like s3 I thought it was really good and I personally liked the more family focused story, I also liked the culture difference with Javi's family being Hispanic and calling walkers "muertos" I thought it was pretty cool. Personally if I had to rank the seasons it would go s1 is first s3 is second s2 is third and s4 is last

[@emi_diaz]

The fact that Lee, no matter what you chosse, ends up dying, is heartbroken. But its great, because this moment is the one that says to you... You cant save them all... and thats okay.

[@Viridiiana]

I agree that in s2 it should've been Luke vs Kenny. Imo it would've been more impactful and they were building it up since they met, and Luke is MUCH more likeable than Jane. Also Jane was killed in the dumbest way, I really don't like Jane.

[@Hellothere-kl1xy]

i always felt like the s2 finale was impactful enough with kenny and jane, but i agree. i like jane (she’s not a favorite but she’s alright) but i never thought of luke vs. kenny and that would’ve been _really_ interesting to see.

[@Viridiiana]

@@Hellothere-kl1xy to me the tension between Jane and Kenny was so last second, as well as her relationship to Clem. I felt like it was sortof forced since Jane isn't the type to care for a child (literally why she killed herself and ran from Clem and the group). Shes just really selfish, and so is Kenny, but he's a 'look out for me and my family' tyoe of guy

[@Jane-qh2yd]

When i had to choose between kenny and jane, i didnt even hesitate to choose kenny, but if it had been luke id probably have struggled a lot more to choose

[@lightinthefield]

@@Viridiiana I guess Jane not really being the type to care for a child is exactly why they did her instead of Luke, though. They probably wanted Clem to be alone either way and felt it better to kill off a character we already hate, as opposed to Luke, who most of us liked.

[@supergenius6256]

@@Jane-qh2yd same here, the way Luke was killed off was annoying. I have seen worst character deaths though.

[@g-man9877]

I finished the series not to long ago. I normally don't feel bad when I play complete a game but this game touched my heart. I remember when I was a wee little lad and there was only one season.

[@alainaalbarran1798]

I totally agree, I grew up with Clem. As a young girl, seeing clem was amazing. Watching her grow up, was like watching a more badass version of me grow up. Season 1 was the best, the characters were good, Glenn cameo, plot was very nice, choices did matter for clem. Season 1 is legendary, this was the season that MADE apocoliyptic grizzled father figure/(queer) founding daughter figure without parents a thing. At least in video games like this. Season 2, was messy but pretty good. Apparently the whole season was scraped though. Like it was supposed to be super, super dark. Kenny was to be Carver, Amid the Ruins was supposed to involve the 400 days group jumping us, not Russians. Tavia would die in ep 3 which was originally titled 'In Cold Blood.' Rebecca would give birth that episode and die. Clem and bec would get beaten by Troy. Jane and Sarita, Walter and Matthew never existed. Nick was supposed to live till end of ep 4, Mike would be one of the guys who jumped Christa at the beginning. Also it would show Christa's abortion scene. Clem gots shot in the shoulder/arm by Winston, falling into the river is a death scene. Sam the dog would be a pet for Kenny, Kenny would burn Luke's cabin down, and before that Troy would show up, asking Clem really pedophilic questions. Vince and Wyatt try to help us get out, along with Bonnie. Sarah, Carlos, Rebecca, Alvin, and Nick would all be dead by ep 5. Leaving only AJ, Clem, Kenny, Troy, and Luke. I think there was supposed go be a satanic cult or something, Episode 5 was supposed to be titled 'Better To Sleep,' and the cover was Clem holding AJ by herself in the distance, her silhouette visible. They would all try to go to Wellington and Kenny would train them to be solders along the way. Troy would betray Kenny's plans and get Clem alone, proceeding to Molest her in the snow, which would result in the player killing him. Then she would go back to Kenny and Luke who are fighting, not Jane and Kenny. Luke is bit and Kenny tries to kill him, Luke kills Kenny, Clem has to put down Luke before he turns. She does. Then it's just her an AJ searching for Wellington in the blizzard, they find out its fake and are dying of hyperthermia. Clem sees a light and tries to go for it, but AJ is slowing her down. The last choice in the game is leave AJ in the snow, or sit with him. Either way, you both die. Hence the title, 'Better To Sleep.' Better to be dead than alive in this situation. But this was all too dark and the management wanted a Season 3 so they scraped it. Season 3 was pretty well, I thought it was very overhated. I liked it. I just hated the fact that our only love interest was Kate and not Jesus or something. Since Javi is bisexual and Jesus is gay. Plus gabe sucked and was annoying. I hated him. Kate was a hoe, and Elanore was a Traitor. But hey, we got a Jesus cameo and a realistic relationship between two envious brothers. Season 4 was amazing, just felt so rushed. Which makes sense, but overall, I loved it. I loved how the game highlighted clem's growth in character, even her Sexuality. As she is also confirmed to be bisexual. The blasian queen herself. And I loved how smoothly it ran, and how AJ truly is ALWAYS listening. Overall the game is a fucking masterpiece. And this is amazing storytelling. Lee and Clem WALKED, CRIED, BLED, and SUFFERED so Ellie and Joel can RUN, LAUGH, HEAL, and LOVE.

[@gianni50725]

That was seriously the plot for season 2? They just wanted to kill everyone off? It sounded half-decent until you got to Episode 5, it just sounds like a sort-of repeat of Season 1 Episode 5 (everyone dies including the main character, everyone turns on each other). Honestly I think they dropped the ball hard after season one. None of the new characters I cared much about besides maybe Luke. Almost none of their deaths hit as hard as even the minor characters' deaths in Season 1 (Mark, Chuck, even Shaun). Multiple characters were total misses as far as your choices (Nick and Sarah, and never forget, **the entire cast of 400 Days**) -- and this is REALLY when people started getting mad about your choices no mattering, including me. Playing as Clementine was an interesting novelty but it was disappointing that nobody cared too much about your opinion and you had essentially zero strength. This is realistic, but it's not what I want to do as a protagonist. People valued Lee's input and he was an absolute truck when it came to killing zombies. The former is especially important in a game that allegedly cares about your choices. Killing off Omid and Christa (technically Christa's fate is unknown, but essentially dead for story purposes) was a massive waste. She should have filled the role of Rebecca and it would have made us care about AJ (OJ?) infinitely more, and her death would hit 1000x harder. Omid's death was OK I suppose but it never paid off much besides a cheap emotional moment to start off the game. We're basically made to forget about him with Christa gone 10 minutes later. Basically, the game felt like a massive pile of wasted potential and disappointment. I'm glad a lot of people liked it, but the flaws are glaring looking at it now. I think people were still not over the pastiche and emulation of Season 1, although by episode 3's end I was no longer looking forward to the conclusion.

[@hellodolly7989]

If that was really the plot of season 2 that is dogshit. Really weird and makes sense it got scrapped. Honestly the S2 wasn’t that bad it just got really lost in episode 4 and episode 5. Shoulda been Luke vs Kenny at the end.

[@realkingofantarctica]

The final scene of Season 1 is to this day the only time I have ever cried whilst playing a videogame.

[@jazzi6694]

Yea it was that scene and the one in season 4 where Clem almost died

[@teddyc3800]

I almost cried at the barn scene and I cried when I found out she lived

[@lucianwong420]

The only other time i cried was at the end of Mass Effect 3. Not because of the ending, but because the journey was over. Especially with Tali as love interest, her goodbye was heartbreaking.

[@edbeals1793]

I cried too. Ugly cried. It was also the only time I called out sick to work to process playing a video game.

[@Vincent-ih3ob]

This game, ending of 4 and red dead 2

[@sadieteawalsh]

I didn’t realize just how bad Season 2 was until I replayed it. The characters getting killed off and replaced robbed their deaths of any actual sacrifice or impact on the situation at hand. None of the choices really carried over from Season 1 or to Season 3. It definitely capitalized on the bleakness of the apocalypse, but not much else. Plus, the adults always relying on Clementine made them seem totally incompetent. The story was still good, even if unsatisfying.

[@arkle519]

to be honest the series went downhill as soon as Season 1 ended. We just didn't notice it at the time. It was a pretty messy production overall when you look back at it. But that's because it was ambitious.

[@quinnholloway5400]

Yea... And that sucks because I enjoy the story to a degree, and it's interesting seeing Clementine travel on her own But the big problem is how disconnected things felt from the frist one in terms of choices I mean Omid and Christa pretty much die a minute or so in...

[@taylorrobson585]

i agree. none of the choices really mattered, it all came down to who you chose to kill/ stay with in the last episode. however it’s also very important, bringing aj into the story and showing how clem has grown to love and care for him so much

[@theviniso]

Looking back I think season 2 was the worst of the bunch. I like it but damn, it was bleak. S3 was good and S4 was great, so I think the series only went uphill after that.

[@A1Stranger1Unknown]

It's like that cause your the main Character you just wanna stay in the background and nvr do anything no u wanna do something so they had to work around this which made it difficult because u play as clem a small child

[@dreamart3721]

8:43 clem rlly just shoot me into an ad

[@artistic_anarchy1016]

I love listening to these types of videos cause I’m working on making a game and you breaking things down and explaining it helps a lot

[@anaelisnothere]

No matter how many times I hear the Season 1 ending music I still burst into tears. I grew up with this game. I really hope we get to see how Clementine is doing soon.

[@xproflipscarab]

That's actually Clem's official theme, I think the track is called Clem's Suite on the soundtrack but it will never feel right seeing it in a scene with out Lee and Clem together (Except Clem's "Death" with AJ)

[@fandyus4125]

I hope we don't, there's only so many times we can expect someone to make a good season and it's a miracle the fourth one turned out as well as it did. I'd love to see more games but I think that if we ever get a season 5 it will probably screw up Clementine's legacy beyond recognition.

[@cameronsharon9617]

@@fandyus4125 I agree with you. Even though I will always long to follow Clem’s story, I know down deep inside that any more games might just make it feel dragged out. Skybound could have dragged it out too but they didn’t and I respected them at first for it. But now they are ruining her story with these shitty ass non-canon books that no one likes! It was beautiful the way it was! We don’t need books! Especially written by Tillie. All of the community agrees that they aren’t canon so they aren’t. We all know it’s Tangerine.

[@living_gumball1465]

When I first loaded up season 2 and heard it my first thoughts were "I miss Lee."

[@lumapop8245]

minerva singing is and will always be one of my favorite moments in any video game. it was so creepy and SOOOO well executed

[@MismiGalei]

16:25 apperently luke was going to be the person who fought with kenny in episode 5 but they replaced him with jane for whatever reason

[@danielaroque360]

I heard that apparently people shipped him with Clem, which is pretty fucked up so they switched to Jane

[@CJ00014]

Clementine is such a badass, right in there with Jill Valentine, Lara Croft and more

[@PAPERxPALLID]

the "like shit, right lee?" WAS THE BEST QUOTE FOR MY WHOLE PURPOSE IN LIFE

[@simple-commentator-not-rea7345]

There IS one thing I absolutely loved in Season 2 and it was Carver's death. Not the fact that he was killed, but how it at least TRIES to connect narratively; A choice you're given when this happens is wether Clem gets to watch him die or leave. I don't think it's meant to just give players a choice of wether they want to watch a gruesome death or not, but to somehow put some layer on Clem. Clem probably gets used to violence and bloodshed one way or another, but to give us a scene where it all started was a good idea. That moment really did feel like a defining moment of Clem's life, something that would change her forever.

[@Shadow-be2zc]

And I think it did change her life because you hear many people mention and can even talk about it in season 3 and 4.

[@q_q123]

Agreed!

[@randomkidontheinternet5893]

And also...that callback to it in Season 4 with Abel and AJ. That was fucking lit.

[@rumpled4skin271]

i made clem a survivor above all, she will live if other have to die to ensure it ill make it so, the only time that changed was meeting kenny again in season two, i bent heaven and hell over my knees to make sure he and i made it, then we had to let him go at the end....

[@TunciBalunci]

That scene was so fucking brutal i love it

[@kgb1632]

The season 1 song gives me chills every single time. And I mean it. It is insane

[@divineoblivionx]

Season 1 was the first game that really made me cry as a kid. I was genuinely sad for days about Lee's death at the end of the game. Of course my parents didn't understand, it was a game. But it was the first connection I really had with a video game character as a kid and from there it spread to many others like Joel, Ellie, Shepherd from ME, Ethan Winters from RE7 and 8, Kratos from God of War, etc. After TWD and as I got older I connected more to characters I played as and with and it really solidified my love for gaming today. Didn't help the fact (and I'm just now realizing this) that me and Clem were the same age when season 4 released.

[@Deyvidd04]

I miss The Walking Dead :

[@duckbacon3117]

@Zayn Sutton Your litterly the same person as Alan Ellis

[@WussellL]

@Alan Ellis blah blah blah ok we get it you downloaded a sketchy up just to invade peoples privacy. Go back to the power generator, where you belong.

[@FracsonSimons]

@Zayn Sutton lool you are talking to yourself

[@Aaden1127]

me too

[@EDP-vm4vr]

@@duckbacon3117 uh he deleted the comments, what he say

[@MM-jm6do]

It’s interesting that as an adult man, you had the exact opposite experience that I had with the games. Season 2 was my absolute favorite because as a young girl myself, I was able to relate much more easily to her!

[@softwaredeeth6956]

Cause as a young girl you were stitching a open wound on your arm by yourself? Bad a$$!

[@theskull9960]

Nah i m an adult man to and i loved season 2 but still the season 1 was the best season 3 i don’t really like it so far i need to play it i wanted to see how Clem was doing and oh jesus replacing the circle with Q or E it’s horrible i wanna cry

[@wizgi7201]

Same, my 6 year old neice is very well spoken

[@herb_rolls3929]

@@softwaredeeth6956 thats not what she meant my friend. it's not like young boys are defeating evil men with DNA augmentation like in spiderman. it's so rare to be a main character as a young woman.

[@bigh99267]

Too bad the writing just fell apart in season 2, with so many fake choices and bs decisions I adore Clementine she reminds me so much of my Niece and it's so sad that her story was butchered the way it was

[@Free_Palestine_75]

I like how this series is lead by POC, all four games have a POC lead and it's a nice change as we're usually left out. Also AJ's speech is normal for his age, if a child is taught well they can form perfectly fine sentences, this is especially important if they're constantly in survival mode. AJ couldn't be a baby, he couldn't be a child, he had to grow up, if you look at children in real life who've survived abusive households many of them seem much older than they really are

[@Lr_scallion]

What’s cool is that if you played the 400 days dlc, you’ll realize that the people in the carver camp are actually from that dlc, so you do learn a lot about each of the people because of their past, I realized this when I saw the blond dude with his beard and glasses and then saw Bonnie, I knew they all looked familiar and because they were from the DLC.

[@l0vsips]

“Like shit, right lee? 😃” LMAO SHE SOUNDED SO INNOCENT AW

[@PurpleMoon799]

season 1 was genuinely so funny with moments like these

[@abyzz1602]

Man the 'Take us back' song really hit me with some good memories.

[@mikson-xg9xw]

Me too

[@jellybelly230]

Seeing Lee and Clems relationship end the way it is hurt me as a kid Then I saw Logan and that completely killed me seeing my childhood hero pass away. Until I watched this video I realized these connections is what makes video games and movies great Thank you for an amazing video

[@RyderLComics]

I actually agree with you about A New Frontier. It was actually the only season where I got a perfect ending all the way around, compared to each other season where I did some critical error.

[@DomTheBomb]

Always love seeing videos on one of the greatest stories ever made!

[@mr.arbiter996]

Indeed

[@alfiepiercy7265]

Hi dom love the vids!!

[@baileypike-smyth300]

Howdy hey

[@ascendance8121]

Always love seeing you keep this fandom alive when no one else will. You have my thanks and admiration #DomtheBomb 😁

[@nicholasandersson-gylden9014]

indeed sir

[@TheCursedCat1927]

During my 1st playthrough of the 1st Game, when it came to the moment Lee gets bitten, I literally reset the Episode like 6 times, because I thought I made some mistake that got him bitten. At some point I just rolled with it. 3 days after I finished the game, I learned that Lee getting bitten is just the Scripted Part of the Story...

[@mega_slam]

Its really annoying because no matter what you do the same story happens

[@TheCursedCat1927]

@@mega_slam It's mostly because they were close to deadline when they were working on the last Chapter. And post-poning a Release wasn't that standard back then.

[@quinnmarchese6313]

​@@mega_slam the one thing that really sucks is the player is given a choice to cut off his arm, something that you've seen Hershal do and survive in the show, and its just a too late kinda deal, Lee will always die and cutting off his arm just makes the rest the episode harder as now he has to deal with the blood loss and lack of AN ARM

[@corbandotson4295]

@@quinnmarchese6313 If you don't cut his arm off, Lee passes out several times during episode 5, but there isn't much of a change besides that

[@willham1427]

@@quinnmarchese6313 Clem was bit and on her leg and if memory serves me right she didn’t cut her leg off for a while longer than lee and his arm.

[@kellyjacintarose]

I remember the day the fifth episode of Season 1 came out. I was 17 years old, I was completing my last high school exam the day after. I started the download for the episode at 10pm the night before and stayed around for hours to see if it would download before I went to sleep (it didn't, because of bad internet 10 years ago haha). I went to my exam, flunked it and went home to play. I cried the whole last scene when Lee died. I cried for days after, I have never felt so impacted by a game before. Nothing has come close, not any movies or shows either. It's still my favourite game. I played the second and third seasons, but didn't play the fourth. Lee is the best protagonist, with Clem as his sidekick

[@Darthinfernov99]

Thanks for your thoughts on Twd telltale series! So glad that Clem made it out alive, despite the challenges that she, as well as Aj went through. Lee and Clementine are truly the best characters of twd series, I had an unforgettable experience!

[@ArlGrmes]

Clem's getting her own mini comic series that'll hopefully explain what happened to Christa

[@moonlordgaming4537]

Seriously?! I didn’t know about this lol

[@ArlGrmes]

@@moonlordgaming4537 yeah first issues supposed to come out in July I think

[@moonlordgaming4537]

@@ArlGrmes huh...neat

[@nikomiller]

@@ArlGrmes it's only going to be one issue... not even a full one. Just a few pages in one issue of an anthology.

[@mohammedabdulrahmanaldowsa8547]

@@ArlGrmes did it drop?

[@cursed1054]

Cleminitine was the child character I never knew I could love in a game. We associate children in games with being annoying but her innocence and sorrow makes her impossible to hate. It made Lee's death all the harder. The line I've remembered since I was 12. 'Keep that hair short.'

[@klimkub8311]

One of the best games ever, I will miss Clem. Thanks for making this video

[@alexandernoviello9557]

1.3 million views, 11k subscribers… wtf? This retrospective is great. Lightning fast and not overly quip-y. Well thought out. Hope you keep keeping on dude

[@TyWalkerMusic]

LMAO I died at the end when he said "what is Clem's ethnicity?" @CastledCard she's meant to be black/African American (or URBAN, as Kenny put it lol). That's why everyone thinks Lee is her dad at first. Also When Christa and Omid are introduced the moment between Lee and Christa is also an indicator. Christa: "you're not her dad." Lee: "that obvious, huh?" Christa:"it is to me"

[@Jane-qh2yd]

Im pretty sure she was supposed to be blasian. Her dad is obviously black, but clementine was also based off of one of s1's producer's/developer's daughter, who was asian. I think i also saw something about melissa Hutchinson comfirming clementine was blasian around s3 but i cant confirm that for sure

[@MistarZtv]

not _urban_ oh my god kenny

[@diegomedina9637]

Her ethnicity is Yes.

[@mudstainedheart]

i’m pretty sure clem is blasian! her father is black and mother is possibly asian (or also blasian) 👍

[@wolkrieth2394]

She's supposedly mixed, and looks that way too so I usually lean thataway

[@cjam6446]

rebecca's on her period or something also rebecca: preggers

[@CastledCard]

I never claimed to be an expert on women's anatomy lol

[@AddictedLpsToffee]

@@CastledCard you don't need to be an expert on women's anatomy to know basic common sense...

[@nnn37thchurchwelldivison6]

@@AddictedLpsToffee your a really fun person

[@AddictedLpsToffee]

@@nnn37thchurchwelldivison6 i'm done with this stupid stereotype of girls being on their period as soon as they show any visible annoyance or aggression. and you're damn right, i'm fucking fun as hell.

[@SlightlyCreative]

@@AddictedLpsToffee simply cry about it lol

[@adammzte]

I’ve played/watched TWD since the first season released and I’ve got to admit that season 2 is my favorite and is underrated in my opinion. Everything is this season is dramatic and gives you fear if you mess up.